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Hello everyone.  I clearly lurk more than I post but I am still in the mode of taking in information and trying to make sense of it for myself.  For whatever reason fear blocks are something I still have to overcome I think.  I'd like to take a minute and give my personal opinion on why this may be difficult for ME personally.  When you come into this with little to no dream world experience it can be quite daunting.  I find people who have even experienced a lucid dream. Or dream recall and Deja vu basically NP practice.  When I try to take the information posted of in video format I can understand it but honestly I don't KNOW.  If that makes sense.  The way I often learn is termed "the hard way" but that is how I know something is real for me.  I experience it, I make a determination about it and process it in my consciousness.  What I would like to do is lay down a road map from infant to adult for people with no NP experience.  A general consensus by those still active here which baby steps are most important to have a base when something happens in the NP and I am conscious.  This way I can determine it's NP and not freak myself out or not really know What a going on.  Often times I try something get a new experience. Attempt to make sense of it wind up here googling or searching then repeating.  I do understand that is one way to build your own practice I just feel there is a better way for me.

I would like to start with your opinion on what is the single most important factor when consciously exploring the NP as opposed to doing it automated such as in the dream state.  Even gaining that much power to create inside yourself and utilize it here is a daunting thought.  One of those with great power comes great responsibility thing heh. 

Okay so first.  In your opinion do you see baby steps as more necessary. Like training wheels.  IE. Before learning to swim must learn what water is. How hot and cold feels what a splash is like everything that comes with it. Then start in a shallow pool with floaters. Etc etc.  Or take a kid out throw an to the deep end let them learn instantly.  Heh.  I feel like I'm tossing myself into the deep end of the ocean with no proper tools to swim or survive and I find it hard to convince my mind what I am doing is right. Smart. Logical etc etc. All the stuff I'm trying to avoid.  Very hard to remove logic from it, another road block I know.

If you think baby steps is appropriate where do you suggest one start in practice with no dream recall. No remembered dreams through life or childhood.  Etc.  Does that person learn all about LDing to prepare them for real NP control and exploration? What would be your school curriculum for ages 0-18 in NP terms.  IE kids have a kindergarten even pre k base of information to store and later pull off of to progress.   Like the math I learned in kindergarten 1+1 =2 can now be used in the later years to learn algebra etc.  This was just a random thought I had as I try to learn 20+ years of case study essentially without any real direction.  I think this group coming to a consensus on how the general populous can do this type of thing.  I would like you to think in others shoes.  IE for you you may have had experiences through childhood and up.  You have a basis for the NP and it makes more sense so what might work for you is like taking an algebra trick to solve a puzzle when all I have are 1+1 skills.    So if you had to start all over again.  From scratch.  Knowing NOTHING.  And I mean it no direct personal experience with even a normal dream where do you start. What path do you try to follow before veering off on your own creation? 

I think insights gleaned from the answers to some of this will allow my more scientific mind to answer some of its stupid questions and push on past fear of the unknown.  I am an explorer. I love adventure but it often conflicts with my highly rational mind. So oft times my adventure comes from a single moment of spontaneity when I have removed logic even for a second and "go do something dumb" 

Thanks for reading.  This one was done on phone I am sorry for the typos.

9-9-17

This is my first attempt at training myself to put more energy and thought into the astral and the exploration and experience of it.  For various reasons I have put this topic aside as "real life" took me off course and I did not get far at all (unless you consider it as training for me to recognize it NOW and use it to my advantage).  I will keep this updated regularly as really it is a tool for myself and I find it easier than physically writing them down.  I imagine as I immerse myself in all things astral experiences will ramp up so I want to go through the training so to speak correctly, without jumping ahead or trying to achieve anything but inner peace.  To begin my only real purpose is communicating with my "guide" (or guides?) in hopes that I can further this training and begin adventuring.  Anyhow I want to preface this with I usually NEVER remember my dreams unless they were so forceful in that dream state it was shocking once I returned to this reality.  Even then I never documented.  Last night I told myself I would remember my dream, and I did.  So that is progress enough to keep me on this path.

Night of 9-8-17

I can not remember any specific people and the whole of where I was however there were other people in it and I seemed to be "trapped" (for lack of a better term) on one specific street.  I had an apartment or house (or rather I was in one it could have been mine or someone elses).  I recall  being in a house and for whatever reason I was forcefully kept there.  I took a weapon from someone and pointed it at him while exiting the house.  I fired a shot through the door if my memory serves. me.  When I went across the street I avoided going into a specific house a few houses diaganal from where I was, I curled up on the corner of the street and waited to see if I was being watched or followed (felt like I needed protection for some reason).  I eventually made it into the house I intentionally passed and fell asleep with a woman (not sure who, just assumed my GF as this house was VERY similar to my actual apartment) (Heavy front door to the apartment) however I was upstairs. I know this because I hid under covers while people entered and I heard the footsteps indicting for me to hide.  Someone slowly pulled the covers from my face and with glee eerily said "ohhh its you"  I remember talk of him saying he was having the utilities off and they took belongings out of the house.  I also remember this person having an omnipotent feel to them.  I could combat them using normal means,  he had friend cops outside his house coming and going and seemed to have unlimited power in that regard.  I deadbolted the door and felt safe after they took things,  Then I vaguely recall "starting a war" or just engaging in a fight or something, burning down their house with stuffed animals.  (I set fire to the animals underneath the house to start it) that was towards the end I believe or thats all I remember.  Most of it is very hazy and foggy as most of the time when I wake up in the morning its because of screaming kids that need to be fed and changed etc.  Not leaving me with much time to do anything but dive back into reality. 

Hello everyone thanks for having me.  The reason I joined and essentially was led here was due to strange occurrences in my life.  To sum up though what got me the most was an extreme buildup of pressure in my body and then energy vibrating through my body forcefully.  Whirling or swooshing sounds and I was excited and frightened it was getting stronger and stronger.  It felt like my head was going to explode and like my hair looked like Albert Einstein as in my hair stood up or felt like it did.  I was crazy ancient alien guy in that moment lol thought my mind was literally being blown.  I had to force myself to lay on my bed.  My eyes were forceably being closed I guess losing control of myself was too frightening to allow anything further.

(Sorry for chunks of text I am on mobile)

So I looked all over. I would get those same vibrations on a lesser scale through these past few months ever since it happened.  Mainly we syncronicity happen or the topic I am exploring is consciousness expansion.  Some guru videos did it to me.  Some religious sort of.  Gnostic tetxs.  Uh... Reading up on meditation and eventually one. Astral projection and the like.

I then remember something similar after my last entheogen use (many years ago) I had a blissful moment before I was sucked down to reality again heh I guess I should of listened back then cause I dove into binaural beats and keeping a dream journal.  Looks like it's been leading to this.


Anyhow to avoid getting off on a tagent I want to say I rarely ever remember my dreams.  I think it is because not enough conscious effort was being put into it.  After just browsing last night I did remember a dream when I woke and wrote it down.  So... Progress lol.  Thanks again and I'd like some recommendations of where to begin.  There is so much information here it can be overwhelming at times