I think you are right on. I have encountered that A LOT in new age/spiritual forums. Actually I don't believe most of them are actually being tricked by any being or anything either. I think it's that they have severe self confidence and esteem problems and so create some bizarre scenario where they can have above normal importance to the destiny of the universe. Certain truths are only revealed to them, because no one else is "ready", that kind of thing. Again, I'm not necessarily saying that I've encountered that here, but you do run across a lot of people with messiah complexes in these types of places.
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Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / More on stilling the mind and success
March 15, 2002, 17:12:41
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Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Thinking or not thinking? I am confused.
March 13, 2002, 05:06:29
Hi
Firstly I haven't had a controlled concious exit yet, so what I type here is just my inexperienced opinion and if it's all wrong then maybe someone could help me right aswell.
Ok here goes:
Whith the no surface thoughts I think is mainly meant that you should not let any thoughts that is not of your projection intrude and let your mind wander off, I mean for instance I can't believe that your not thinking when your relaxation exercises or the energy raising or even the rope technique for that matter, I think you just have to be able to quiet your mind so that when you are doing your preperations for projection etc, you can focus on that activity completely without thoughts interfering like did I lock my garage and so on. It happened to me last night (surface mind thoughts) while trying to project, I was so close. I did my relaxation thinking of each muscle group as I tensed them and then released them and of each next one as I moved along to the next in my body. Then I started with a technique to get myself into trance (Elevator) preceding it by going to that sectet tree-garden (That takes a lot of focused thinking). Then i did some basic energy raising by using the spunge technique, spunging energy from my feet up through my legs up to the sub naval storage center feeling and thinking of the energy moving through my legs with each stroke. Next I was supposed to go on to do a bounce loosening but the vibrations suddenly came and it was so furious and more pronounced than ever before and i think I acted to soon by going straight to the rope technique trying to pull myself out, I could feel myself starting to loosen starting to go out, but I don't think my etheric body was properly generated yet, I should've kept to my plan of action and finished the energy raising and bounce loosening before attempting the rope technique because I could really feel parts of me being very loose but then the vibrations lessened and the next moment i was once again completely awake and have failed once again, but I think it was a good fail though. But in any case It was that interering thought that I should maybe skip the rest of my planned steps, that I think made me fail this time.
As I said this is just an inexperienced opinion make of it what you will.
Mozia
Firstly I haven't had a controlled concious exit yet, so what I type here is just my inexperienced opinion and if it's all wrong then maybe someone could help me right aswell.
Ok here goes:
Whith the no surface thoughts I think is mainly meant that you should not let any thoughts that is not of your projection intrude and let your mind wander off, I mean for instance I can't believe that your not thinking when your relaxation exercises or the energy raising or even the rope technique for that matter, I think you just have to be able to quiet your mind so that when you are doing your preperations for projection etc, you can focus on that activity completely without thoughts interfering like did I lock my garage and so on. It happened to me last night (surface mind thoughts) while trying to project, I was so close. I did my relaxation thinking of each muscle group as I tensed them and then released them and of each next one as I moved along to the next in my body. Then I started with a technique to get myself into trance (Elevator) preceding it by going to that sectet tree-garden (That takes a lot of focused thinking). Then i did some basic energy raising by using the spunge technique, spunging energy from my feet up through my legs up to the sub naval storage center feeling and thinking of the energy moving through my legs with each stroke. Next I was supposed to go on to do a bounce loosening but the vibrations suddenly came and it was so furious and more pronounced than ever before and i think I acted to soon by going straight to the rope technique trying to pull myself out, I could feel myself starting to loosen starting to go out, but I don't think my etheric body was properly generated yet, I should've kept to my plan of action and finished the energy raising and bounce loosening before attempting the rope technique because I could really feel parts of me being very loose but then the vibrations lessened and the next moment i was once again completely awake and have failed once again, but I think it was a good fail though. But in any case It was that interering thought that I should maybe skip the rest of my planned steps, that I think made me fail this time.
As I said this is just an inexperienced opinion make of it what you will.
Mozia
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Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Help! I have a Fear of not breathing.
March 02, 2002, 10:08:00
Hello Dashour! 
I have had a little experience with something like what you are talking about. I was always very concious of my breathing, and I had trouble doing things like meditation/NEW/etc because always a part of my awareness was in my lungs. I don't have any great method to get over this, pretty much I just concentrated on trance work/meditation until I was able to enter that state of no thoughts. Obviously if you have no thoughts you can't think of breathing.
Anyways, just mainly thought I'd let you know that someone else has had that problem... Keep at it, it keeps getting more fun the more you progress.
Good luck!
-Svenson
I have had a little experience with something like what you are talking about. I was always very concious of my breathing, and I had trouble doing things like meditation/NEW/etc because always a part of my awareness was in my lungs. I don't have any great method to get over this, pretty much I just concentrated on trance work/meditation until I was able to enter that state of no thoughts. Obviously if you have no thoughts you can't think of breathing.
Anyways, just mainly thought I'd let you know that someone else has had that problem... Keep at it, it keeps getting more fun the more you progress. Good luck!
-Svenson
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