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Hi all,

I read the attached link the other day and I think anyone who practices ceremonial magic will find it a good laugh.

Hope you enjoy it!

//http://www.livingwithmagick.com/LBRC.html//

David

Veni Vidi Vici

Hi

At Adrians request I have started a new thread for this topic,  it stems from Tangable Entities  

To quote myself

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Hello all,

I have been having dificulty posting for a while and I wanted to add this earlier.

In the literature I have read about p-shifting I have noticed frequent reference to 'Grey' spirits. Does this ring a bell with anyone?

Also I have a really old fashion black magick ritual to become a werewolf, It is has some aspects which I consider to be well thought out ritual (although I do not practice 'black magick') and a lot of eye of newt, tounge of toad type dribble too. Im sure there would be more credible rituals out there if you were motivated to find them. But if I could please get some feedback as to wether or not it would be appropreate to post I may be able to satisfy some curiosities out there, and create a little laughter perhaps .

Veni Vidi Vici

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This is the ritual as I have it,

In the first place, it is necessary that the person desirous of acquiring lycantropy should be in earnest believer in the superphysical powers whose favour he is about to ask.

The individual must betake himself to a spot remote from the haunts of men. The powers to be petitioned are not to be promiscuously anywhere. They favour only such waste and solitary places as the deserts, woods, and mountain-tops.

The locality chosen, the candidate must next select a night when the moon is new and strong. He must choose a perfectly level piece of ground, and on it, at midnight, he must mark, either in chalk or string a circle of not less than seven feet in radius, and within this and from the same centre another circle of three feet in radius. Then, in the center of this inner circle he must kindle a fire, and over the fire place an iron tripod containing an iron vessel of water. As soon as the water begins to boil the would be lycantropist must throw into it handfuls of any three of the following. Asafoetida, parsley, opium, hemlock, henbane, saffron, aloe, poppy-seed and solanum; repeating as he does these words:-

'Spiris from the deep
Who never sleep
Be kind to me'

'Spirits from the grave
Without a soul to save
Be kind to me'

'Spirits of the air
Foul and black, not fair
Be kind to me'

'Water spirits hateful
To ships and bathers fateful
Be kind to me'

'Spirits of the earthbound dead
That glide with noiseless tread
Be kind to me'

'Spirits of the heat and fire
Destructive in your ire
Be kind to me'

'Wolves, vampires, satyrs, ghosts!
Elect of all the devilish hosts!
I pray you send hither!
Send hiter, send hither,
The Great grey shape that makes men shiver!
Shiver, shiver, shiver!
Come!  Come!  Come!'

The suplicant then takes off his vest and shirt and smears his body with the fat of a newly killed animal (preferably a cat), mixed with aniseed, champhor and opium. He the binds around his loins a girdle made of wolf's skin, and kneeling doen within the circumference of the first circle, waits for the advent of the Unknown. When the fire burns blue and quickly dies out, the Unknown is about to manifest itself; if it does not then actually appear it will make its presence felt.

There is little consistency in the various methods of the spirits advent: sometimes deep unnatural silence immediately precedes it: somtimes shriekings herald its approach. When it remains invisible its presence it indicated and accompanied by a sensation of abnormal cold and the most acute terror, sometimes it appears as a huntsman, other times as a a monstrocity-half man and half beast.

Good read good giggle

Regards
Fenris

Veni Vidi Vici

The only reason why we are raging out of control so to speak is because we have no opposition.  The earth only hangs into balance because nothing can win.  We aren't a pathogen, we just happen to be the winning force.  If we are a disease so to speak, then so is every other living organism on this planet competeing for survival.  The only thing that seperates them from us, is that we have exceeded everything else.  Do you think that if dandelions were suddenly able to grow everywhere without any competetion that they'd stop?  No.  Do you think that if Wolves suddenly could migrate around, grow in numbers, and rely on alternate sources of food (and basically survive when the current numbers of prey is rather low, until they either find more prey by migrating, or just get used to another source of food if their prey was gone), that they'd monitor themselves and make sure they didn't eat too many rabbits?  No.  Do you think that if rabbits were left uninhibited that they'd make millions of babies to kingdom come and overtake the planet?  Or do you think that there'd be little monitor rabbits walking around making sure every rabbit family has only 2 rabbit babies?

To be honest, if you are going to call mankind a disease, then you have to call all living organisms diseases, because in a way, that is what we are.  Harmony is just a word to describe an inability to win.  The closest anyone comes to harmony with anything is a select few of us humans, because we are intellegent enough to realize that hey, maybe I shouldn't kill this rabbit for food because I might eliminate the species that way.

Interesting- Your characters remind me of comic book characters. Have you ever thought of turning them into a comic?

(This is not an insult of your work. I happen to read comics as much as I read novels.)

What sort of band do you want to be in?
I'm a guitarist of 3 years, but i'm not in any band at the moment. I have connections though so maybe some time soon. I'm heavily into metal (pun intended []) but i also like some softer rock type stuff like Rush or Led Zeppelin.

This idea is the basis behind a lot of occult practices, to have your spells come to fruitition in the physical world, it must first exist in the astral. I find myself controling what I think more as I delve deeper into the mysteries!

[Wow. That's a very uplifting story Fenris. It's nice to know that pets can give you all the love they have, even in the moment of their passing.~Squeek]

Wow.  That's a very uplifting story Fenris.  It's nice to know that pets can give you all the love they have, even in the moment of their passing.

~Squeek

Well, there are two possibilities here- Have them all removed at the same time and have it majorly suck once for a short amount of time (a couple days), or have them removed one at a time and have it suck just a little for four times, each for a day or two. Personally, I had them removed one at a time, and I think it was best that way, because it didn't stop me from eating any kind of food on the other side of my mouth.

These links are great. One of them especially, it has lessons for free on mp3 format, if anyone who learns from a book ever wondered if they were pronouncing things wrong this is a special treat. Also he explains vibrating your voice properly. (www.abardoncompanion.com)

Thank you for doing that!  I too have "saved" lives at concerts, namely a 311 concert about a year and a half ago.  Basically the same thing: a girl in the pit without shoes (she wore sandals!) and was getting trampled after she got down on all fours to find them.  She started bleeding and I pulled her out of the crowd.  I literally had to punch and claw my way past people who couldn't have cared less if someone was dying...anyway, as soon as I got back into the pit another girl started shrieking...and then, no joke, I started hearing and seeing many young ladies who were crying out for help.  I nearly fainted after I helped the second girl and then, thank goodness, the band took a break and told people to chill out.

I can't stress it enough that: 1) mosh pits, or crazy crowds...whatever you want to call them, are generally stupid and you shouldn't get too close up to the front if you are not 7 feet tall.
and 2) girls just shouldn't go in, unless they know full well what they are up against...

I no longer go into the crowds are concerts, I opt to hang out in the rear with all of the old people (I'm still in my 20's but I feel that way sometimes)

In pranayama, part of hatha yoga, there is a stage where the body physically shakes because of the flow of energy through the body. It is possible that it is a passing phase. Do you want it to be?

Hey, Fenris

The only thing close I have herd of is merkabah mysticism, and the merkabah riders. From the things I have read by you, you have probably heard of them. I can't offer much, just that there is some ideas that they may have preceded parts of the kabalah. Hope that helps.

Take care

It is not a matter of if an aura can cast a shadow, although maybe it can. I read that auras interact with physical light and that is why the quality and quantity of light make such a difference in how auras are seen and it has even been claimed that seeing auras in complete darkness cannot be done. Then there are people who use clairvoyance to read auras at a distance. If it is actually a matter of using clairvoyance and interpreting the results, then strange combinations become possible. As I mentioned, there are even people who read auras by smell or taste. If there are people who can get a metallic taste in their mouth as part of scanning an aura, then why not interpreting an aura as being on the shadow instead of around the person whose aura it is?

Two possibilities come to mind. The first is to gain weight and then do it. The second is to look into plans involving drinking juices (which have sugars, vitamins, and some minerals) while avoiding solid foods. Things like apple juice are digested without much difficulty beyond what drinking plain water involves. Medical supervision could help, too, so that if you begin to have trouble it will be detected early. As someone who also has trouble gaining weight, I understand the problem and do not like it either when people wish to have it.

but fenris, if baptism has no effect, how could the non-existant effect be reversed anyway?

actually, baptism does have an effect, or at least it did for me. but i CHOSE to be baptised. baptism is supposed to be a choice on the behalf of a person to die to their old life of sin and selfishness and evil and et al, and to live a new life "in Christ". so baptising a child is meaningless and an act of evil because the person is FORCING the child to be baptised .and even though it isn't against their will (cause little babies have no will) it isn't a choice made by the baptisee (is that a word?).  therefore, unethical, evil, and (though it may be religious) un-spiritual and unGodly.

as to what right a parent has to do stuff to their child, well that depends on whether you believe that a child is the "property" of the parent or is a completely independant (and by the definition of independance, this is impossible) being from birth on till death.

i like rocking boats; it makes people re-evaluate what is important. as well it forces people to start thinking about important issues.  jeez i'm a jerk  

~kakkarot

Secret of Secrets

I have not studied anything about Karma. I just know what little I have picked up, though I am starting to believe in Karma. From my understanding of it, it is much more than a written set of rules. This meaning that there is a time to kill, a time to fight, etc. It is not the act of killing when it is needed that is harmful. It is enjoying killing, killing for pleasure that is harmful. I think that the intent is more important than the act, for the most part anyway. Let me ask this question, is it ok to kill if a force is trying to destroy your way of life? If a group rose up to overthrow your nation, would you find it ok to kill then? It is good that one would not want to kill anyone, but there seems to be times when it is necessary. This can be a very difficult issue to deal with.

I am really sorry for you. It is such a terrible thing when one cannot express themselves or even practice their own beliefs in their own house. Luckily for me during the time I lived with my parents my beliefs were not too different than theirs. I did not start exploring them until I had left home. But I still do not feel that I can share my beliefs with my parents. They are pretty much hardcore Christains, especailly my dad in recent years. The sad thing is that I would really like to discuss these things with them openly but I know that I cannot do this. The best advice I can give you is to just keep it hiden from them. Most likely your parents still see you as their little child and feel that they know what is best for you. That with the fact that it sounds like they are too wrapped up in their own dogma to be open to other possibilities makes it unlikely that they would ever accept you believing in anything other than their own beliefs. I know that it is tearing you up inside having to hide this, I feel this way too even now being away from home. The only alternative I can see is if you could possibly move out, maybe with several friends or something. Though this would probably upset them even more. Sadly enough the best solution I have found in dealing with stubborn closeminded parents is to remain quiet and let them think you are the prefect little Christain, or whatever they belief. I know this is not what you want to hear but it will keep the peace while you still have to live with them.

And parents wonder why they cannot talk to their children. It is because they do not really want to listen to their children.

Reality TV is poor, most especially a show like BB.

Heres why:

* Noone cares, and if you do, you shouldnt.

* It gets so much prime time TV that other good shows get ousted.

* The people in the house are either
a) more emotional than Ally Mcbeal or;                                                      
b) really serious. Eg: Guy who went for a tinkle when he wasnt supposed to. "Im REALLY REALLY sorry. i just HAD to go. if i didnt go i would have  WET MYSELF i really REALLY had to do i couldnt HOLD ON i would have WET MYSELF!". I think they sometimes forget much of what they say is being watched by millions of people who will laugh at them when they get out.

* Big Brother is so serious its funny.

* They do stupid things like "bunker duty"

* They get "reprimanded" for using the same cloth to clean the toilet that they wash the dishes with.

* Webcams are much cooler, have more nudity and arent commercialised.


There you go


- Ashfo

Shooting is a fun sport I agree...
although Its not really my hobby.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/You must try some of my purple berries.
I've been eating them for 6 or 7 weeks now, haven't got sick once.
Prolly keep us both alive.
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Not me
I havent had *to many out of place things
Generally my obe's are low level, and very realistic

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/You must try some of my purple berries.
I've been eating them for 6 or 7 weeks now, haven't got sick once.
Prolly keep us both alive.
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Hi David,

Just for the heck of it I'm going to post some of my stream of consciousness rambling that I wrote over one or two days. Maybe it'll spark some really interesting discussion. I'd like to emphasize that, as of now, I consider this to be from my imagination. I don't have any practical experience, nor do I know if any of this is even advisable, if possible, etc, etc. And, once again, this is unedited! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Mark

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wandering blockage opener
telepathic amplifier
maintainer of structure integrity, when lifting stuff, etc.
strength augmentation
impact diffuser/physical protection (reflect, or redirect if can't absorb)
telekinesis amplifier
vision augmentation, all sense augmentation
memory augmentation, smart, stores data, flowers it in mind upon request
warning system
body awareness extension
think about all types of neg/psychic/emotional shielding
healing augmentation - overlay to speed and help all, and a wandering focuser.
health diagnoser
energy sensing/categorizing augmentation
higher self link amplification

energy gathering
waste energy removal


(for all, have it integrate seamlessly with bodies' systems. give my innate the ability to override anything if necessary)

(allow for organic or spontaneous stuff, let smart systems aid if they can see how, always allow for me to do it myself? allow for my learning. figure out how to make sure stuff just doesn't happen for me. i have to understand what my constructs are doing...)

(if something becomes self aware, automatically let it go? give me a warning? set parameters for this stuff to act, so it doesn't assume to much?)

need an energy regulation system. everything will be powered by a smart system, and prioritized. if I don't have enough energy, w/ respect to maintaining health, etc. it'll start powering off systems (but hopefully not dissapating them. hmm, maybe something dissappate and bring back subsystems...) in priority order. If the energy gathering system is taking in too much, it'll slow it down. if the health diagnoser doesn't like something, it'll shut it down. interfaces with waste energy removal so I stay balanced.

system will warn with unlikely phrases that'll pop into my head? have to have a communication interface. so I can tell what's going on and what isn't. think of other possible interfaces

after programming, I should be able to say stuff in my head or out loud to automatically go to certain states - battle mode, safe mode, etc. and an safe powerdown that'll gently dissapate all artificial (non-natural) systems in a safe way. and a powerup too.

I could even write a program to simulate all this, to help me figure it all out. Heck, could I make a programming language that would be useful to do this?

can make some of these systems very complicated for example, shielding and healing. think about how to make connections and interfacing work. need a debugging system, as in more words popping up? I suppose eventually I could do visualization, clairvoyant, or obe maintainance

need to know exactly what I've got, exactly what it all does, and exactly how it interacts

most things probably shouldn't do much on their own, they should carefully, safely, augment natural systems. but I can do stand alone help action to.

all systems to should ask for information from higher/innate intelligence to function? like maintaining structural integrity - how does it know what that is?

arches in my feet, vision correction?

is it bad to be too specific? maybe know what I want, but don't be too specific about how to get it? possibly! maybe only do the interface, but trust the implementation will implement itself? dunno...

micro pk purification, filtration, nullification of particles/molecules in body

air purification - hmm, expell, annihilate... for above too

give off composure, relaxed self assurance? erm.

differently configured shield while projecting, and a way to expand shield to give me space while I'm doing energy work in body. And some sort of conduit while I'm making the transition from in body to astral body.

during projection - facilitate memory download, maintain telepathic link, maintain energy transmission, lucidity checking, etc. geez, could have a servitor to make you realize you're lucid. to help you with memory download. even to help you with the projection.

think of other tools, weapons, etc, etc

increase bone density
increase muscle mass and quality
increase brain functioning, etc, etc, etc

wandering knowledge gatherer, from books, etc. can feed it to me.

give a telepathy tutor to someone, highly amplfies but fades over time

archetypal astral CVS code base

help for planning food

help for taking physical health action

allow me to focus more singlemindedly - interrupts me if a person is trying to get in touch with me, and tells me who

amplifier for inner voice

stress managment

allow higherSelf/oversoul to step in and tweak stuff

heat generation / cooling off, insulation

shield layers w/ different patterns to make neutralization more difficult. can I have a continually changing pattern? coherent yet unpredictable protection?

When I do tactile imaging, it helps me to have sounds to go along. I never could eliminate the actual visual visualization. Sometimes I add smells. The more senses you involve, the more vivid it is. The reason for so much on excluding visual visualization is because you will find so much emphasis on visual visualization elsewhere. It is a reaction to that in order to counter and balance it. I seem to recall Robert Bruce saying that people to whom visual visualization comes easily should definitely take full advantage of it.

Hi David
  If you read the new article that Robert has written then you will find methods that will work against most psychic vampires. The only ones that might be a little more difficult are those into ritual or shamanic magic that are willing to use those methods against others.  The methods can still be used to remove the chords and resolve some of the basic issues that allowed them to be attached.
  I have had quite a few cases of psychic vampirism over the last 20 years and all of them involve people who are trying to push their bad karma off on someone else. They also try to push their illness's  into someone else's energy system that is willing to take them and supplant them with the good energy the other person has accumulated. It is almost a reverse process of healing.They are all people full of anxiety and fear of death and illness's. I have noticed a definite increase of cases over the last 5 years including some really complex ways of vampirizing others.
  Good defensive systems are the best protection against psychic vampires. I also think that self-understanding is another. You know what is yours and what is not yours. You don't have to accept anything harmful  from anyone if you have good wards.
  Nita

Okay that is funny.

And odd because I hear this EXACT phrase alot too.

"Its ok David...your a good type of weird"...


Oh, yeah.  I want to be cremated and shot out of a cannon.



David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Hi David!

Is there any reason that you are awake for 4o hours? Is it for the studies,
just some experiment or because of insomnia? Just curious.

I am a student at the University of Lund in sweden. I study religion- al different apects of it, history, psychology, sociology... but it really dosn´t lead to any jobs in the future- so I want continue with it. I only wish I knew what I wanted to do with my life.. but sadly I don´t.  

A good morning to al of ya!

Felix


-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

Here is a tip from some one who HAS seen what you are talking about.  

If you truely want to see what it is that is causeing that sort of distortion do not look directly at the shadow or shade.  Look above it or to were there may be a light sorce from which the shade can be cast.  If you follow me here.

It seems that these "eye tricks"  can often be accompanied by some minor sound.  I have always gotten the feeling that this is often done as a distraction so that the entity or what ever can move through an area relativly undetected.  When you begin to see that more often you will notice ofther things in the area as well.  

Try not to focus to hard as it seems rare that they stay in one place too long.  Instead try to alow it to be more of an instinctual glance.  You may get better results.  Take note of any feelings that you have at the time also as it becomes important to detirmine the nature of what you are seeing.  It helps you get a feel for what it may be doing.

Of course if this is bothing you mirly tell yourself that you didn't see anything and it will eventually go away.




"Walk with me and see the world as I do."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to Suffering. -- Yoda



-- Muzza

Absolutely! But bear in mind that the "thanatos" and "eros" instincts can both be use for good or evil, as positive in the kabalistic sense does not really mean good and negative evil, though this is the way most people express it. This is because people do not particularly understand that the negative (essentially breaking down) can be put to good use - eg (ripped straight out of Dion Fortunes Mystical Quabalah!) detergent kills bacteria but you should not therefore say I will never wash plates with anything that may destroy life. And if the eros (positive) existed exlusively everywhere would soon get very crowded, and even chaotic. Both positive or negative when taken to extremes creates evil and disharmony, balance implies proper use of both together to create somthing which surpasses the simple addition of both sides of the tree.
That's the way I see it all anyway!

As a non-dualist believing that everything happens for a reason, that everything is EXACTLY the way it should be according to the divine plan, and that as long as you follow your TRUE heart, you're doing the right thing, I would say...

Foobar.

Putting people back on track isn't interfering with their spiritual development, it's part of it, because noone can do it alone. I believe the purpose of life, reincarnation, and karma is to simply experience and develop as a soul. If your heart says you should help someone, then it's part of the divine plan that includes your spiritual development, your friend's, and everything else in this Multiverse. Just do what you think is right and virtuous.

bitsmart -
information illumination -
bitsmart@bitsmart.org -

quote:
Ok I was reading a little spiritual development book by Paul Fenton-Smith titled A secret door to the universe. The topic of magic comes up in the book and this is what he has to say

"Those who study magic are seeking a short cut to enlightenment, when in reality there is no short cut."

Yes i agree that there is no short cut but I do not see magic as an attempt to find one. Yes the ultimate aim of most forms of higher magic especially cerimonial magic is in one way or another the great rite. But you have to ask yourself what is higher magic other than the symbolic change of your own mind and the melding of the ego with the subconscious mind. If mankind posses the power to do this than in my opinion it is a natural ability of man, hence what is wrong with using it as a tool to enlightenment.

Im curious as to how many people seeking spirtual development are involved in magical practice and what others opinions of the use of magic are. Im only 17 and I grow on the criticisms of intelligent others so please fill me in!

Regards to all

David

An interesting post.
It seems that this authour has, like many others, a pre-conceived idea as to what 'magic' is all about. This unfortunately, is a limited and narrow minded perspective, and is not uncommon.
To begin with, Magic is a horrible word. To the masses, it conjures up images of fantasy, wizards and witches, incantations and ceremonies. It attempts (poorly) to conceptualize a host of ideas and does its best to explain (in a vague and geralized fashion) that which is currently beyond our level of scientific understanding.
The truth is (my opinion), it is merely a path. Nothing more or less. To enlightenment? Sure. Maybe. That depends entirely on the one walking the path though....but what they don't tell you is that every path has many 'side roads' that you can chose to go down, and more often than not these side roads exact a toll.
Example: Cast a spell to get some money quick or rob a bank to get some money quick. Both might make you a little richer, faster, but in either case are you further down the road to 'spiritual enlightenment'? Nope. And then theres the karmic debt you've incurred for taking that little 'side trip'.
However, as with any so-called 'path', it cannot be understood by reading about it, or merely labelling it with a stupid catch-all-word (like magic)
It needs to be experienced. And, as with anything, the more you put into it, the more you will experience/learn/grow.
I am in agreement with the author that "there is no shortcut to enlightenment", but one only has to read through Franz Bardon's I.I.H. to realize that true magic is no 'shortcut', and is a lifelong (think about it....LIFELONG) process of continuous effort.
Lastly, don't bother 'growing on the criticisms of others'.....nobody on this board (myself included) can come close to giving you information that will be able to top your own personal experiences.....the experiences you make for yourself.
Whatever 'path' you take, (or decide to make on your own), the best advice I can give is for you to trust in yourself, and to go get your shoes dirty mate.  
Best regards
Ghost

Improved energy perception in general, no matter how you translate it, is to be expected with energy-working and development.


--Winged Wolf
"I will stare at the sun until its light doesn't blind me, and I will walk into the fire, 'til its heat doesn't burn me, and I will feed the fire...."

Sorry if in my last post I came across as a bit of a Tv inspired dabler. I guess the point I was trying to raise was can a negitive or any type of entity not normally on this plane exist here in a tangable form. The thing I described would appear to be so, as the people who saw it are not clairvoyant and it made noise. If such a thing does exist than how do you defend yourself! Would you try the LBRP or reach for a baseball bat!

David