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quote:Originally posted by clandestino

i also agree with greytravellers comment.

Just like to add one more thing - I think that there is a (mistaken) opinion held by many that says "well, if you can't see and hear and touch just as you can in the physical world, then it isn't an OBE".

This viewpoint makes a judgement that one type of experience is inferior to the other.

Personally I believe both are equally "valid".

As for the reasons why people distinguish between the two types....I reckon its due to the 3rd party's perception of the reality of the event.
e.g. Person A has a traditional OBE, floating out of the body, & what have you. It is easy for person A to describe the reality of the experience in familiar terms to the 3rd party.

Person B has a Moen-style OBE. Conveying the reality of the experience to a 3rd party, whilst at the same time pointing out that non-verbal communication / rotes are being used, might simply be a bit too much for people to accept. Not long ago people thought the earth was flat !

Keep the posts coming Ginny, they're excellent !!
mark

Mark,

Yes, absolutely. In the first eight months or so of using Focused Attention I held onto the belief that if I couldn't 'see' it (while in the nonphysical), I tended to discount or question what input I was receiving. It took some time for me to realize that our five physical senses are not the only means by which to know that something is 'real'.

And when I talk about rotes--receiving *knowing information*--it's not something exclusive to Focused Attention. Just my opinion but I feel we use this in the physical, as well as during OOBEs etc. Like, it's so common we don't take note of it half the time. Standing in a crowd and all of a sudden you can feel someone and you just *know* they're nearby...and you turn around and there they are. Suddenly knowing a certain person is about to call you on the phone and they do. Years ago, when I experienced my one and only conscious, at will, OOBE, by pretending to float up to the ceiling...and while I was just hanging out up there, I saw a whitish human form staring out a window and knew instantly it was my roommate, and that he was trying to decide whether to move out or not (which was news to me). I could briefly feel the turmoil he was going through, where he felt he wanted to move to, etc. And then I just felt/knew that my roommate became aware of the fact that I was aware of him and that I knew what he was thinking...and he, the whitish form, immediately left the window and stood for a second by his physical body, which was asleep on a couch, and proceeded to kind of roll into himself, as if to say he didn't want me knowing what he was mulling over so privacy meant being back in his body! His physical body then seemed to half wake up, groan, roll over and continue sleeping. Unfortunately, at that point, my surprise at what was happening zapped my consciousness back to my body. The next day I asked him if he remembered the encounter...if he was indeed thinking of moving and he was shocked I knew. When I explained what happened he was visibly shaken and promptly moved out (lol)! Seeing his out-of-body form, so to speak, was interesting....but the knowing info I received is what blew me away.

Thanks for your encouragement, Mark, and will continue to post.

Much love and exploration,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Greytraveller

[]Appreciate that extensive reply Ginny. []
What you describe reinforces my belief that many states of consciousness partially overlap. (One expample is a Lucid Dream which is an event where the separate Lucid state and Dream state of consciousness overlap.)
It appears that Focused Attention is a state of consciousness that borders on meditation, hypnagogia, out of body experiences and clairvoyance and yet is Separate and Distinct from all of those. Very interesting.

Greytraveller,

I agree, a lot of overlapping. To me it's all about the focusing of our Attention. The various ways it's accomplished is something to be shared, learned from and celebrated. I mean, aren't we all helping to possible ensure a future whereby the word 'death' will not even be in any dictionary?--:o)

Take care,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by wonderboy

Hi Wonderboy and Greytraveller,

Sorry it took me a bit to get back with you. Life keeps getting in the way---(lol).

Bruce Moen teaches what he calls Focused Attention, centering on the idea that our ability to imagine, while in a relaxed but conscious state, is our ever present and readily available avenue to communicate with folks in the nonphysical as well as explore various areas of consciousness. He also teaches how to become aware of and utilize nonphysical senses while in the nonphysical and all that accompanies the mind's eye. It's not the Phasing that you guys do nor is it your classic OOBE.

Lemme backtrack for a second, perhaps to explain why I use Focused Attention.

I started experimenting with lucid dreaming, as well as OOBEs back in the late 80's. I was not just a reader of Carlos Castaneda, Monroe and Seth to name a few--I was a self designated student (lol). I've had many OOBEs through the years, all thrilling and 3D, just-like-being-in-the-physical, but only one was at will---oddly enough when I gave up and just decided to *pretend* to have one--:o). My hat is off to anyone who has learned to have them at will, but I just could never get the hang of it. Any kind of emotion, being surprised, even focusing in on any one thing, while OOB, always snapped me back to the physical so to speak.

Along comes Focused Attention, accessing the mind's eye and learning about intent, rotes, paying attention to thoughts, feelings, knowings, all which can be used to actually be in, and communicate with people in, the nonphysical. Everyone has this ability. I think the biggest problem comes from our beliefs: "it's so easy surely this is all fantasy". It normally doesn't involve utilizing senses that are physically identical with our five physical senses (although these have entered into some of my afterlife experiences but only seldom). Anyway, since I had wanted to participate in retrieving all along and since this seemed so easy, I wanted to be able to get proof I was really accessing the nonphysical and interacting with real people There. One way to get proof that Bruce teaches is to gather previously unknown information from a deceased person and validate that info later with a person in the physical known to the deceased. And when this happened, over and over...when the proof was undeniable, I knew I had found my avenue. There are various ways to be There, because I feel it's a matter of where and how well we're able to simply focus our Attention, or tune away from the physical and into the non--like changing radio channels. Whether we want to see a second astral body or feel we 'go out of' the body, whether we prefer phasing and experiencing with physical-like senses and all phasing offers, whether we remain conscious, relaxed and focus our attention within and utilize the mind's eye----to me it's all about Attention, and how we focus it. That's just how I see it, so far.

What happens with me is, while remaining conscious and after going through the simple relaxation and energy gathering Bruce teaches, I place the intent to be wherever I want to be. Exploring has taught me that we know more about Intent than we fully realize and that whatever my intention may be, *it has to be carried out or executed*. My beliefs, if to the contrary, could block me from actualizing this simple and continuous act of will that we all participate in constantly. But anyway, I quite often go to the 3D Blackness and from there do what Bruce teaches regarding how to use that Grand Central Station kinda place. If I want to visit, say, an area of Focus 27, I at times then feel/see within the mind's eye brief movement, things or locales flashing by. Lately I just instantly find myself There. I usually 'see' in color but not always. I may have a steady or continuous connection with my surroundings (what I mean is when say standing in a forest, the trees, shadows, the feel of decayed earth, moss, etc-- aren't vague or flickering in and out of my awareness--they remain steadfast as I follow through with a retrieval or exploration) and other times I just get glimpses, impressions...and I get knowing information about details, people there. I've come to rely on receiving and tossing back rotes so much that communicating and understanding my surroundings any other way would probably be slow and tedious for me. I'm sure you guys know what I'm talking about: the knowing info that seems to be the mode of communication There--Monroe called his idea of it NVC (nonverbal communication). The last time I visited with Om at my Focus 27 place, the livingroom he was in was well lighted, I could see the furniture, windows, flooring, his clothing and countenance....but I've come to enjoy and pay attention to following the rapid or what seems like near instantaneous communication, exchange of knowing info that happens with him, so I just don't focus my attention on the props surrounding us.

I guess the best way to explain this is when we each participate in a really relaxed daydream, say, at work, about being on a beach somewhere in the South Pacific: you can 'see' the ocean, 'feel' the warm sand, 'smell' the salt and 'hear/see' seagulls above---nonphysical senses, mind's eye seeing, hearing etc. We know almost virtually nothing about what imagination really is, so we end up using only a tiny fraction of it to fantasize. But when you purposely go to or find yourself in an environment that you assume is just fantasy, and unexpected things start happening, deceased relatives or friends are suddenly present...and you feel a little funny but decide to follow along with what's happening anyway cause, what have you got to lose? And you remember to perhaps start asking questions, about things you have no prior knowledge of...and you get answers. This is where it all began for me---what Bruce teaches.

I gotta tell you guys...I'm the type that barrels into something and then has to later back away, spend time coming to understand and hopefully be able to describe where I've been or how I got there--:o). So, I'm not good at explaining some things well. I hope I've been able to answer your questions.

Happy Trails and love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by wonderboy





~I imagine it has to be as fully immersed as a Monroe style phasing or a RTZ projection or it wouldn't even be worth discussing, but from the accounts that I've read from people it sounds less. . . tangible if you understand what I'm trying to get across.~

Hi Wonderboy,

Um...you've kind of thrown me for a loop here, with the above. I just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly. Are you saying that any posts that don't involve fully immersed Monroe style phasing or RTZ projection aren't worth discussing...and if so, why?

BTW, I'm a TMI Gateway Gal from the late 80's.--:o)

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Nick


In any event, I am drawn to the approach of doing this to help others, and am seriously also going to try to attend a Bruce Moen workshop. Again, thanks for taking the time to reply with such a comprehensive description.

Very best,

Hey Nick, you are welcome...and hope you get to a workshop. The amount of knowledge and 'how-to' he's able to cram into a weekend is truly enough to enable anyone to explore for a lifetime.

Take care and much love,

Ginny
....**cya in the afterlife**

quote:Originally posted by Nick

Hi Ginny,

Thank you for another wonderful post! Would you please explain what is meant by the 3X3X3 preparatory process? I am not familiar with what that is.

Very best,

Nick,

Here's what I posted last November. Hope this helps,

Ginny



Posted - 16 November 2002 :  08:32:37            
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Hi everyone,

Here's what I've learned to do regarding phasing or focusing my attention away from the physical and into the nonphysical, to explore the afterlife. From what I've been able to determine, we can use whatever methods seem to resonate with us...but I have discovered that becoming acquainted with and *feeling* the stages we use to get into the afterlife can be important. Also, paying attention to what we're *feeling* while in the afterlife, using the nonphysical senses, is just as important. In the beginning of exploring I subscribed to the, "if I can't see it I don't believe it" idea, and my progress was slow. But this is how we learn: by just doing it, going there, learning first hand.

I started in the late 80's with the TMI Gateway tapes and used those methods (but at that time I thought I had to go OOB to explore) but discovered two years ago that Bruce Moen's simple techniques worked much better for me. I spend less time now preparing to go into the afterlife and get much better results while there, including many afterlife experiences wherein I was able to get verifiable info to really prove to myself that all this was very real ( I was a major skeptic til I got irrefutible proof that even I couldn't somehow rationalize away!---LOL!).

There are a few basic steps I use to focus attention away from the physical to explore within. **And just a quick note here to Focus 15---when you attend Bruce's workshop soon he'll not only explain these steps (plus additional techniques) but guide you and the small group into them, several times as you experience afterlife journeys. I'm just a student of his and believe me, he's the teacher and a good one. What I'm describing here is a brief overview---at the workshop you'll get a much more in-depth idea and feel from him on these steps.**



3x3x3:

Step 1--Breathing for relaxation
Step2--Energy Boost from below the feet
Step 3--Energy Boost from above the head


{***-- 2 additional things I like to do that Bruce teaches-----Filling with love for better perception and
Placing Intent}

Step1---Sitting in a chair or lying down, I close my eyes and begin to gently breath in (let your inhale be normal but full) and as I feel my lungs fill I then gently roll that inhale into a gentle exhale (once again just exhale normally--no forceful breathing, just let each inhale be full and flow into an exhale and gently loop back again). I do this 3 times or as many times as needed so that when I *FEEL myself relax* (which is a slight phasing or shift of attention in itself) I then can move on to the next step.

Step 2---In this relaxed state, see or feel with your mind's eye a large pool of sparkling clean energy below you. As you begin to gently inhale, breathe in and see/*feel* this energy enter your feet and travel up through your body and out the top of your head. See a portion of it continue straight up and beyond..as you also see this energy curve out and down back to the pool below. Repeat this 3 times, cycling the energy back up through you and back down to the pool, or as many times as you want.

Step 3---Now see a large pool or body of sparkling energy above you. At the top of your head locate or feel a spot, perhaps where the center may be...and then as you inhale, breathe in and see/*feel* this energy enter that spot and travel down your body, exiting your feet, see a portion of this energy continue straight down and beyond...and see it also arcing back up to the pool above, to be cycled back down through your head and body and so forth. Repeat this 3 times or as many times as you feel is good for you. When I do this I choose to see the cycling energy as something similar to what fireworks sparklers look like when used at night, as if I am surrounded by  a ball of continuously moving energy. This is just my preference. What's important is what this does for us regarding gathering energy: it's a great boost.

***--I know there's been a lot of misunderstanding regarding the use of 'love' in afterlife exploration. I for one, years ago, literally got tired of the word because it was over used, misused perhaps. When Bruce talks about PUL---pure unconditional love---he's not saying to get emotional, sappy or sexual...and especially, he's not talking about intellectualizing it, or seeing love as a concept, nor as anything 'religious'. Experiencing emotions or other feelings can be the results OF accessing this energy. Bruce learned in the afterlife that unconditional love is a real energy/consciousness...quite possibly the energy/consciousness that we not only come from, but it's what we are, now. Being the kind of explorer that has to prove to herself through direct experiencing what is real or not, I have accessed this energy many times, not only to improve my perception for exploring, but to help others while There and even in my conscious physical daily life...and it's impossible to explain the experiencing of it: it's something that has to be directly experienced to KNOW what it really is. While in the afterlife I have unexpectedly been on the receiving end of this energy and it was without a doubt the most incredible knowing/feeling I've ever experienced.
How to access it is not difficult. This energy/consciousness is not exclusive: it does not belong to the 'spiritually advanced'...it belongs to all of us. And once again, FEELING it is the key.
Remember a time when you either felt love for someone or something, or a time when you felt loved by someone. Feel that love and hold it within you, let it build as you recall more moments or people you've loved or been loved by. Bruce recalls the love he felt for his newborn babies when he held them for the first time in the hospital. I always bring to me the love I have for my husband and two chihuahuas, as well as the love I felt from my mother. Whatever works for you---just FEEL this love and let it build up and remain within you. I could go on and on about the numerous benefits from accessing this energy, especially for afterlife retrieving and exploration, but it's something each person has to experience, to understand.

***-- When I was using the TMI Gateway tapes over 13 years ago, if I had known then what I know now about the placing of intent, I never would have spent so many hours hanging out in that inner 3D blackness--while using a tape---waiting for something to happen. I would get to a focus level and then just wait for someone or something to happen, having no idea that all I had to do was mentally state my desire---where I wanted to go, what I wanted to do. Now I know that placing intent is a simple thing to do. Actually we do it constantly and really never give it much thought.
What Bruce calls, The Little Finger Exercise: this is where I am now going to FEEL that place within where we actually place the intent for anything. I use this everytime I want to place the intent to explore because it works. As I remain relaxed, knowing I'm going to move, say, my index finger in a few seconds, as I approach that moment of actually moving my finger I first just feel and become acquainted with that area within where we make things happen. Some people 'see' color or perhaps an image, some just feel that inner place. At Bruce's workshop I 'saw' a soft orange color (why I don't know)...but most importantly, I became acquainted with what that area of consciousness *felt like to me*....and for me I seem to experienced a moment of nothingness--no imagery, no thinking--and I state my mental desire. That's what works for me. And so anyway, when you're there, move your finger. And then do it again but instead of moving your finger, place your intent (desire) on where you want to go in the afterlife, who you want to meet, etc. I must say here that I don't feel I'm explaining this step well....but I hope you guys can get the drift. There are times in the afterlife when I just relax and send out a mental statement.....place my intent. I hope I'm not making it seem more difficult than it actually is.

So this is pretty much what I do each time I want to move into the nonphysical.



My Focus 27 special place:
Two years ago while reading Bruce's first book, he descibed creating his own special place in F27. Since I was so anxious to get going with exploration (and especially since I discovered through his books that anyone could visit all the focus levels at anytime, and that OOBEs were cool but completely unnecessary to explore and retrieve), I decided that if he could create his own place, so could I. Once placing the intent to go to F27, I was then in that 3D blackness, just floating. At that time I was expecting to experience the nonphysical with our five physical senses, thus I basically 'saw' only blackness, but I decided to *trust* that my intent was the key in getting me there to Focus 27 (that Intent works everytime because it has to, whether we believe it or not). I then borrowed the image of a city park I had loved as a child, complete with pond, trees, a park bench, grass, sunshine....and just 'saw it there' in front of me. I then walked into it. I sat on the bench and felt the wooden slats on my butt. I felt the soft moist earth and grass between my toes. I looked at the sun twinkling between leaves and branches above. I sat and looked at the water, and then decided on what flowers I wanted and where. I played with different kinds, on that first visit as well as later. All I had to do to return to my park was to just place the intent to be there (and it really helps to recall the feel of the place too---this is another Bruce technique but I don't want to overload here). Thought, intent.. creates matter and all dimensions, physical and nonphysical.


Much love and happy trails,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

Hi Ginny !

Can you tell us a bit more about Om....is he old or young ? how often have you met him?

best wishes,
Mark

Mark,

When I first started exploring the nonphysical I was introduced to a rather large bunch of people one day and told they comprised my Higher Self, or Disk..whatever you want to call it. The energies of two individuals I recognized immediately as people having influenced/helped me throughout my life...another was an Irish guy speaking what I guess was Gaelic and he still remains a bit of a mystery. There were so many others but it was all I could handle, energy-wise as well as emotionally, and so have periodically met with them on a one-to-one basis.

Almost a year ago it became apparent that I'd be meeting with more members and Om was at my Focus 27 place several months ago. I nicknamed him Om simply because he had the feel of a monk, Buddhist monk--his nature one of great calmness and understanding. I liked him right away. He seems to be in his 60's, on the short side, nearly bald, always wearing a kind of floor length off-white robe made out of what seems to be like a rough cotton. His job has been one of escort it seems, as we go on these little trips that I'm fascinated with. I've met with him perhaps ten times so far---consciously that is. He's a nice guy, with a dry sense of humor and endless patience.

I'm working it out so that I can meet with him at least once a week. We'll see--:o).

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

Hi Ginny !

Just wanted to echo your thoughts on mental illness - I also think we know far less about this subject than we think. From the perspective of experiencing astral projection, many symptoms of mental illness take on new meaning.

I think that there are a fair few people on this forum that hold this point of view aswell.

Clandestino,

Yes, my mother had what is known as schizophrenia, years ago. And yep, there was the classic paranoia, the confusion on and off (especially after she was introduced to the drugs used back then--but her doctors were only trying to help with a situation that even to this day remains a mystery)...but curiously, she stood out as a guide/teacher of the paranormal, someone who told others to question all things (especially popular belief systems) and seek truth through experience! I couldn't have asked for a better teacher---:o).

Thanks for your kind words, Clandestino, and much love...

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by goingslow

That was really amazing to read.  I really felt for that woman.  Do you think a lot of people with mental illness run into that type of thing after dying?  

I didnt know what "retrieval" actually meant, but what a great thing to do.

take care

Goingslow,

Really good question. From my limited experience I've run across people in the afterlife who'd suffered from 'mental illness' and ended up stuck in Focus 23 as that lady had been. A few others were in worlds within the Belief System Territories. Some never really got stuck anywhere and appeared to be fine. It all depends on one's strong beliefs/desires. She was stuck in Focus 23 thinking she was still alive. I personally feel that we really know very little about 'mental illness', what it truly involves. Perhaps these cases demonstrate a greater capacity for some to be in-tune with the nonphysical, and because of society's misunderstanding of this there's a great deal of fear attached to it...rendering the recipient even more suffering? So many ancient cultures revered members with such abilities and their experiences were often not negative.

Thanks Goingslow and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Nick

Ginny,

Your new post inspires because, apart from the learning and knowledge one receives from exploring the astral, retrieval involves service to others.

Very best,

Thanks Nick. Being of service to others in the afterlife was and still remains a passion for me (kinda nice to know I can help someone out now and then before I kick the bucket). When I first got started I had no idea that retrieving would lead to the inner growth and personal happiness I've experienced. So, everyone wins: my kind of ball game---:o).

Have a good one and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

thanks for another great post Ginny !

have a great week,
Mark

Thanks Mark--take care,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Serenity1

Awsome and beautiful, and you mentioned my mother-in-law too!!LOL


"the mother's anger and fears which dominated the family."

Looking forward to learning to do what you do.
Thanks heaps Ginny[]

LOL! Hey Harvey, no special skills required. The only difficulty in learning to retrieve and explore is thinking it's difficult...that it requires great expertise or years of whatever.

Thanks and see you in the afterlife,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by TruthSeeker

Could anyone please shortly explain what exactly focus 23 is? I know what focus 10 is, and I have no problems getting there. Is focus 23 far from there?

Thanks in advance,
TruthSeeker

Hi Truthseeker,

Focus 23, as Frank pointed out, is one of many areas of consciousness that Bob Monroe initially labeled as focuses: Focus 10, Focus 15, 23, up to 27. Each focus has its own 'feel', it's own characteristics...and F23 usually means isolation and confusion. Some upon death end up there not knowing they've actually died and left the physical.

Hope this helps,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Nick

Hi Nick,

Good to hear about your progress (isn't it fun and exciting?) and I'll be posting another retrieval soon. Every now and then having to earn a living seems to get in my way (arrgh!), but retrieving is something I'll always do.

Thanks and talk with you soon.

Much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Nick

Ginny,

After reading about your retrievals here and in the other post (a Focus 23 retrieval) it made me want to read something by Bruce Moen, so I bought his first book which I've just started. I clicked on the link you posted and have been exploring his website as well.

How long have you been doing retrievals? How did you learn?

Hi Nick,

When I found B. Moen's website over two years ago I just knew this was my answer to being able to learn to directly experience the nonphysical, and especially, help others There (I had wanted to learn to be a retriever since reading Bob Monroe's third book). What Bruce was teaching was an eye-opener for me, because I had assumed for years that specialized technology or some kind of esoteric training or skills were necessary to get my own direct experience beyond the physical...and he was saying we're born with the necessary 'equipment' to do it: no specialized anything required.

I did the same, Nick--bought his first book--and decided that if he could use the mind's eye/imagination to say, create his own place in the nonphysical (Focus 27), and if navigating within the nonphysical was as easy as he said (simply placing the intent), then I could too. I just started experimenting, having fun creating and changing things at my nonphysical place, kind of wondering who would show up (if anyone.) My deceased mother appeared...and all along my skepticism was operating over-time (lol), thinking all of it was fantasy, until unexpected things started happening: things she said and suggested we do that had definitely not been in my mind. But I decided to do as Bruce suggested, just follow along, and she introduced me to my first retrieval (which I nearly screwed up because I was so astonished at what was happening).

Did you by any chance find the page, Free Articles by Bruce, at his website? Once there click on the link, Appendix C: Guidelines for Afterlife Contact.  Gives you a good idea on how to get started.

Although I've been to one of his two day workshops, I started retrieving eight months prior...so anyone can do this. Because we have a continuous connection with so much more than what we call the physical (whether we're aware of it or not), learning to be focused in other realities is more simple than we want to believe at first--just a part of our nature.

Hope this helps and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf

Thanks guys, sounds like FJ is the best one to go for with respect to my curent stage of development, I'll leave UJ until I'm further on as I'll probably appreciate it a lot more.
FJ sounds closer to where i am at the moment - 'the view outside' as it were!

Time to dig out the credit card........

Douglas

Douglas,

The fascinating story of AA and BB takes on an even deeper meaning when the reader comes to understand why BB hooked up with Monroe in the first place...and just who AA really was all along.

Enjoy!

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Frank

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

Frank,

You're sweet. There are more retrievers out there than we realize I think--far more skilled than I.

Much love--:o),

Gin

Originally posted by Risu no Kairu


Risu no Kairu,

Just PM'd ya!---:o)

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by ame

Brian:
Ginny: Your retrieval experience are great read. I'm looking forward for more of them.

Thanks, Ame. I'll keep posting them.---:o)

Much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by goingslow

these are all interesting theories.  But in the end thats all they are..

Goingslow,

Unless one is speaking from direct experience of being in the nonphysical.

Take care,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Brian Hacking

Brian,

What you have to share is of great value as far as I'm concerned. Fear, fear-based beliefs--understanding where all of this comes from and the fact that it can be changed is important for all to know.
Would enjoy seeing you at Bruce's conversation board.

Thanks again and love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Brian Hacking

Great reply Ginny,

I also agree that Like attracts Like,  in fact I think that is the real way Karma works.  You simply attract things and experiences that match your vibrational makeup.  

I personally think that every moment you can decide what you are going to experience.   In other words - Now is the point of power.  People decied how they are going to experience and react in every moment.  Your 'Now' is not dictated by the past.  All that is required is to change your energetic makeup.

Now as to the Astral - we experience many things that are our own creation and misinterperet many other things by projecting our beliefs onto them.  

anyway --  enough rambling...

With Love,
Brian

Brian,

I really like what you had to say,----especially: "Your 'Now' is not dictated by the past. All that is required is to change your energetic makeup." Beautiful. Please feel free to 'ramble' often!--:o)

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by ame

Hi Ame,

I started having your classic OOBEs back in the late 80's and this was when I was also feeling 'a presence' nearby, at times. Initially the fear I experienced was at a high level and I'm still amazed I continued exploring {curious minds just gotta know--:o)!}. Over time I began wondering what it was I was really scared of and through continued reading {Bob Monroe's third book helped me a great deal} and experimenting I realized that I seemed to be the creator of it all. Exploring was just naturally showing me I had fears that needed to be dealt with.

It was also at this time, Ame, that I began paying attention to interesting thoughts/ideas coming through, while fully conscious: ideas suggesting how to deal with my fears...or better yet, my fear-based beliefs, the idea being that if I indeed was the creator of or had at least agreed to adopt such beliefs, *I* must be in charge---not the fears and beliefs...and I could change what I no longer needed or wanted, what was literally getting in the way. This realization and subsequent work is what really opened doors to no longer feeling I was at the mercy of *my own stuff*. And it wasn't too long after this that I began perceiving 'the presence' as someone who was loving and a bit of a practical joker.

Since I could never gain control of going OOB and when I started using Bruce Moen's Focused Attention techniques over two years ago, I met the practical joker while in the nonphysical and had a really good laugh (a member of my Higher Self or Disk). And I found that projecting the feeling of love to whomever/whatever caused me concern, while in the nonphysical, seemed to instantly clear up the matter...meaning my own fear-manifestation would be unmasked, so to speak, to reveal who/what was really there. Once while at my Focus 27 park, a man was suddenly there sitting on my park bench. My instant reaction was one of fear...and I was a tad rude as I perceived a semi-hostile look on his face...(lol, forgetting I had asked for someone to come and answer a few questions for me in the first place!). Know what he did? He started to make the type of face that suggested, "Oh yea, I'm the boogey man!"---and then he started laughing! It hit me all at once what my own fear was doing and as soon as I laughed (ahh there's something about humor and belly laughing in the nonphysical that helps us to learn!) his countenance softened, changed right then and there. This was a good lesson for me.

Hope this helps, Ame....and keep exploring. There's really no other way to truly learn about the nonphysical and what being There entails other than...just being There---;o). It's worth it.

Much love,

Ginny

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Hi Ame,

Sensing others, while attempting to explore the nonphysical (or even while fully conscious and going about one's daily stuff) is actually more common than people realize. For years Bob Monroe was aware of a presence always with him when exploring and eventually discovered they were Guides, others from what he called his I/There, or Higher Self. In the beginning it's natural to be wary, and we understandably end up projecting our own fears onto these 'others', and such fear then comes back to us and causes misunderstanding (thinking they are harmful, etc). I went through the same many years ago.

But what I've learned from exploring the nonphysical is there's a fundmental principle in the works: like attracts like. Our beliefs, fears, desires go with us when we explore and literally color/influence our own interpretations of what we experience. If we believe we can be harmed while There, guess what we attract to us? If we *known* we can't be harmed, well..you get the picture.--:o) There truly is nothing to fear but what our own fear-based-beliefs projections can possibly create...if allowed to.  

You can always offer out an inquisitive, nonjudgemental, "Hello and who are you?" thought, the next time you sense a presence. Perceiving 'hands helping you leave your body' has been a common occurrence through the ages. I'll never forget when I realized, years ago, that who I had initially feared turned out to be a personal Guide with infinite patience (lol)...just waiting for me to come to know who they really were.

Much love,

Ginny

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So OM confirmed that it was indeed one of your disk members?  You would think disk members of the same family would be able to recognize each other... hmm.  


Hi Ethan,

For me, in the last two years, members have preferred (and on a few occasions enjoyed) revealing themselves slowly and I can only assume it has a lot to do with beliefs I'm letting go of (?). We each interpret what we perceive in the nonphysical in our own unique way and according to what we carry with us (beliefs, any fears, assumptions, hopes). So, perhaps you'll be able to recognize your members much more readily than I have.---:o)

Thanks for your kind post...and see you in the great unknown?

Love,

Ginny