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Have any of you had an encounter with a loved one or perhaps a friend during your out of body experiences? Were they genuine? What did they look like? How did you know it was them? THANKS! 

Sure have.  Not that I believe for a second who my grandfather who died over 15 years ago is going to just "hang out" in the non-physical for that time...
My perspective is that it's no different than an experience you have in a familiar non-physical location such as your bedroom or kitchen.  The best way to describe it is that it's a "memory".
It doesn't mean it won't look / act / be like that person... they're still a part of consciousness after all, but it just won't be their particular illusory aspect of the individualism which was them.

But are they real beings or something like a fantasy reflection of ourself without independancy or consciousness of its own?

It entirely depends upon your perspective.

To me, everything is part of the one consciousness... as such, nothing is from inside or outside *you*. 
"Real" isn't a term I would use in regards to non-physical experiences anymore.

I'd ditch the word "fantasy" in your above post.  What you experienced was "real", anything you can experience is real, however, it was a subjective interpretation of an actual objective event.
You need to figure out what the symbolism of what you experienced means to you.  If something is hurting *YOU*, you need to figure out why.  USUALLY, it's a reflection of something emotion you're holding within yourself though.  In this case, I'd probably say it's symbolism of something you don't like about yourself and your violence towards that aspect of yourself.

This is a good example of how you can use projection to help yourself grow.

From my experience, lucidity is not an "on and off" switch ... it is more like a gradient or continuum ... so I sometimes become partially lucid or aware during a dream.

AND...
Keep in mind that that continuum doesn't just happen in the non-physical. 
It's as much a part of your everyday physical life as it is while sleeping.

Have you ever been so drunk that you couldn't remember portions of that night?  That's you, being fully awake in the physical, yet your consciousness is, in effect, "dreaming".
You're DREAMING while you're PHYSICALLY AWAKE! 

Neat, eh?

Yes, that's entirely possible... but not for the reasons most people think.  You're NOT experiencing some kind of "real time zone".
Essentially, everything / everyone is part of the whole of consciousness.  Whatever another "individual" piece of awareness has experience, you have direct access to through consciousness exploration.
As long as someone else has experienced that "hallway", then you can experience it to.  Although, that's not to say you will experience it EXACTLY as they did though... it's the non-physical after all, subject to your own subjective thoughts/emotions/beliefs/etc.

I used to worship deities but after getting so vivid visualisations of them hurting me, and since I almost hurt a member of my family, I kind of stepped back because, to be quite honest, I haven't got the slightest idea how we got there. But I do not trust them anymore.

You might want to take a deep look at yourself then... what you're "seeing" in regards to these "deities" is actually a reflection of yourself.
There's something about yourself you don't like.  Deep down.

This topic has been moved to Welcome to Dreams!.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=46987.0

Give this post by Frank a read:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/what_is_all_this_new_age_crap-t1351.0.html;msg8507#msg8507

"Emotions". PERIOD.  Not just negative/bad emotions.  ALL emotions need to be controlled.

Emotions play a huge part in what you'll experience.
It's best to keep *ALL* your emotions in check when projecting.
A good practice is to learn to remain grounded and centered at ALL TIMES.
Not to just while projecting... but throughout your daily physical life as well.

That way you'll learn to minimize those "emotional" fluctuations in your non-physical experiences.

Can anyone post the user of the youtube account?
The account posted is no longer available

Sorry.  If the account is gone, we have no power to know who it was. 

Well after we pass away we'll see whether a more gentle and loving community could wait for us and support us, if we are able to join it, of course.

John Lennon said it best... "A dream you dream alone is a dream... a dream you dream together is reality."
He knew the truth.  Realize that this physical reality is no different than the dream you have a night, or the conscious projection you had... and you'll start to see a bit more clearly.
Your self-imposed boundaries between "here" and "there" begin to melt away.

Frank Kepple's FoC4 seems to be the "formless" upper side of the mental plane, where the causal body is formed, as described by the theosophist Annie Besant in her "The Ancient Wisdom" (1897).

See, that's probably a good description.  But, that's all it is. 
What Frank calls his "FoC4"... he was simply just visiting a "different" reality compared to this physical reality of ours. 
It doesn't make it special in any way other than the rules there aren't "physical".  It's not a "mental plane"... or a "causal plane"... it's just a different reality from this one.

We humans LOVE to categorize and put things in an order or hierarchy, otherwise we find that we can't make sense of them. 
When you realize that everything is "one", this arbitrary listing of realities becomes rather ridiculous.  It's part of the illusion of separation and being physical.  I'm really amazed how few people who say they see through the illusion, still fall prey to this basic concept. 

What do you do you guys facing this please ?

You've created a self-imposed limitation for yourself.  I'd suggest work on getting yourself accustomed to practicing anywhere at anytime.  Eventually you'll break the need for "routine".

Today as i was sleeping i became suddenly totally conscious and began to rise on the ceiling feeling a strange energy...

I instantly tried to see details of the room and my vision was amazingly crystal clear.

I passed through the walls and succeed to transfer towards 2 differents locations.

I will never forget this experience. Overwhelming. (I must add this experience can not be compared with Phasing in my opinion because it was just sooooooo real contrary to phasing where my vision is way poorer and darker and so fleeting...)

There are many "different" labels people use to describe their experiences.

Phasing
OBE
Astral Projection
Lucid Dream
WBTB
etc...

But they don't describe what people THINK they describe.  Most people think that they describe the experience they have.  They think that because they "left their body" and experienced their bedroom that they had an OBE.  Or that they felt a shift and found themselves in some different place they didn't recognize, so they had an Astral Projection or Phasing. 

While that's simply not the case.  Those terms I listed above only describe one thing: How you ENTERED the non-physical.  That's all.
After you ENTER they non-physical, they all end up leading to the same kind of experience.  How you perceive that experience is all that will differ.

In your case, you became aware while already sleeping.  Most people would just brush this off and simply call it a dream or a lucid dream... or even worse, a dream of a lucid dream (*sigh*)... LoL 
Thankfully, you've at least identified it as what it is: a consciously aware projection.

Including MEEEEEEEE!? 

We might have our rows from time to time and sometimes the things you say make me want to punch kittens, but I do appreciate your contributions.

So thank you and a big, jolly Merry Christmas to you too and everyone else who makes this the best forum on the internet!

I don't know! I keep guessing if there is a way, maybe more advanced people than me know things I don't, that's why I created the topic!

There's not a person alive (past or present) who can answer that question for you.  Nobody knows.
Sure, there will be people who will give you an answer, but regardless of how correct they THINK they are... they don't know.

It's like when I answer questions here on the Astral Pulse, I use a very "matter-of-fact" tone... as if I *KNOW* what I say is truth (it is though ).
However, in the end, I can't prove anything I tell you.

[It doesn't make much difference what random label you give something. 

Maybe you dont care about label because this practive is still very new and it is just still a bit too fuzzy to determine a commun structure we are not yet able to identify but that we will discover soon who knows...

Any way your theory about the misunderstanding on Monroe "in the body sight" seems obvious and very true

In his third book, "Ultimate Journeys", he's the one who ultimately figured that out.
By the time he died, he had ended up with a completely different view of projection than when he wrote his first book.
His perspective had changed greatly... the only problem now is that people tend to read his first book first and ignore the discoveries he made by the end of his life.

Hence, we still have people who believe they're "IN" a body.

Of course.

How is one supposed to know if such a "meeting" was "legit"?

Even with the inherent subjectivity of such practices, lets consider i decide to still be for some time more optimistic than you are in the possibility to achieve a consensus upon the "basic structure" of our experiences.

Mapping the "non-physical" would be a lot easier if it worked on the same rules and limitations as this physical reality, definitely. 

1/ What would differenciate Phasing from Creative meditation according to you ? Because i did not need to discover Phasing to experience real 3D "visions" during meditation !

There probably isn't any difference.  You discovered Phasing. 
It doesn't make much difference what random label you give something. 

2/ If we consider we already collected some proofs on the remote viewing, why then you say "you'll never know" about Phasing ? I dont understand this ?

One of the bad parts about this topic is that opinion varies greatly among the community.  What one person considers "proof" another doesn't.
I personally don't care either way... as *I* have my experiences and that's all that should be important to yourself.

3/ Now question; " Among those who experienced both OBE and Phasing. Is there a CONSENSUS to confirm this is the same exeprience (except you dont see yourself leaving your body in phasing of course)

Nobody can "confirm" it.  I can only speak from my experience (as anyone else can do) and I've come to the conclusion that they're the same.  The only difference being a matter of perspective and belief.

For example, if you have an experience where you go to bed and then you find yourself floating above your bed in your bedroom you'd probably assume you're having an OBE, right?  It's painfully obvious, that you've just left your body and are having an OUT OF BODY experience.  But the reality of the situation goes far beyond simple observation of the situation.  You're NOT out of body, you only BELIEVE you're out of body, which further reinforces that belief.  What you experience is a non-physical representation of what you believe your current surroundings are.  It can be as close to your physical surroundings as you can remember them to be.  This is why it's only a matter of perspective and belief.  Most of the authors these days who write about OBE's have fallen prey to these simplistic observations without actually delving deeper into them.

Mix that with Robert Monroe coining the term OUT OF BODY... and you've got an entire generation of people who have been brainwashed (not on purpose, mind you) to believe that they're beings INSIDE a physical body.  *sigh*

1/ Then you agree to say you dont share the Monroe and F.Keppel's model then ?

They were EXTREMELY useful to me as I was learning about projection.
But now, I've learned that experiences are unique to the experiencer.  As such, you will *NEVER* have their experience of their model of reality.  It's for them and them alone.
You have to find YOUR model.  It could turn out that it's similar, it could turn out to be completely different.

2/ Then you agree to say as well that you are practicing this activity for years without knowing if it is just a creative meditation or not ? (no irony here please just candid question)

It took me well over 10 years of practicing off and on to have what I considered my first successful projection.
After that, the irony hit me that I've actually been projecting my entire life... I just hadn't realized it.
I've been having these "dreams in which I knew I was dreaming" ever since I could remember.
I can tell you for a fact that it's not "just creative meditation".

3/ Then you agree to say as well that remote viewing is not real and can not create reliable proof ?

Remote view is as "real" as projection.  It's a form of projecting.  Instead of bringing your awareness to a 'scene', you bring the 'scene' to your awareness.  That's the only different.  You SEE the scene as if it's a picture you're looking at... while projecting is actually being THERE in full 3D.

4/ Therefore without an ounce of sarcasm either, what is your theory please about what lead Monroe and Keppel to have such delusionals and false insights by saying they contacted F3 and talked to real dead persons and collected proofs and so on ? I mean how do you explain their model and their delusions please ? What is possible to experience or not according to you with this technique then ?

They weren't delusional or false... it's just "HOW THEY" perceived and described their experiences.
What's possible to experience is... whatever you experience.  How you choose to describe that experience to someone else... well, that can be difficult.

To answer your question about the value i may extract of my phasing experiences, i can not say for sure i wasted my time but very quickly i felt a backclash in my motivation due to the lack of proof but i must admit i am way too impatient person.

All I can tell you is that if your sole purpose is to find "proof", then you might as well quit.  This isn't an exercise you do "for others".  This is, and spirituality as a whole, is an exercise for yourself and yourself only.

The irony being that THROUGH this self-exploration, you define yourself in a greater, more loving capacity... the side effect being you bring more Love into your everyday life, because you realize small truths about consciousness and reality as a whole.  Everything is you.  Why would you treat you like crap. 

We'll see. If you we're my brother or a friend in person and we would have a life expectancy of 130 years I would bet you money that I am right.
But you did say "Anything physical has no meaning, what-so-ever." So you could see how that could be interpreted. And yes I could say the same thing about you and that video, so touche. LOL

You're getting your layers all mixed up.  That's why you don't have any clue what you're talking about.
You're not even listening to the one guy who you say you listen to.  ROFL

[LITERALLY]

I view science like it's in it's infancy and it's conceiving spirituality right now through technology. It's still so small that you can't even see it, but it has begun. There is going to be a lot of signs of a new baby, and one day science and spirituality will merge and the baby of spirituality will be born through science. This will make spirituality mainstream and attainable by everyone. That is the way I see it. So yes at the end of the day the physical matters, particularly science. IMO it almost matters more than the spiritual itself. Because the faster we learn science the faster we will merge science and spirituality. And the faster we do that the faster we can bring spirituality to all future generations.

That's only because you don't understand what you're talking about.
Science, LITERALLY, has nothing to do with your spiritual growth.  You could be living with Star Trek type technology, and YOU wouldn't be any further than you are right now.  Guaranteed.

But I agree that getting into all these side things is a waste of time unless you can effectively fix them as president or something. That doesn't mean in any way shape or form that we should avoid the way this physical reality operates at a scientific level.

Nobody is saying avoid learning about this reality.

Damn, I'm starting to think you're seeing in replies only what you want to see.  LoL

Ketamine is a horse tranquilizer.  Please don't mess around with drugs.  You won't learn anything from the experience.
We don't condone the use of drugs to learn to project.  You don't need them.

I guess I am going to give up my childhood dream of becoming a Computer Engineer. Damn what a waste of time, I'll send in my resignation letter tomorrow. LOL No but seriously that sounds like there is no place for science. What gives?

Ultimately, "science" and "spiritual growth" don't exactly jive.  Science tries to explain how this *physical reality* operates.  Science isn't interested in any reality outside of this physical reality mostly because it can't test or measure it.   Anything not measurable ultimately can't be proven and science only deals with that which can be proven.  People have been trying to use science to prove the existence of this stuff for generations with *very little* to show for it.

That doesn't mean don't educate yourself in the ways of this reality.  You're still here for a reason and you need to exist within the rules and limitations of this reality, that includes getting educated and getting a job. 

PhaPriSpa asked me over PM to further explain.  I'll just post what I wrote to him here:

The "why" is more along the lines of the idea that everything you know to be physical about you and around you eventually all falls away upon physical death.  Only that which is non-physical remains with *you* (the consciousness/awareness you).

Another ironic meme I ran into the other day was of, I think, John Lennon, quoted as saying, "A dream you dream alone is a dream, a dream you dream together is reality".  A very true statement, and should be taken LITERALLY.  For this reality we experience together is really nothing but a "dream"... what this means is that this physical reality is part of consciousness in the same way any dream you have is.

Ultimately, "physical" and "non-physical" are one in the same (it's ALL consciousness), but being born INTO this reality means you have to live THROUGH the rules of this reality first and foremost.  This ultimately means that when you do finally physically die, everything you've ever done and physically are remains here.  Everything remains WITH your physical body.  What doesn't remain here is everything about you which is NON-PHYSICAL.  This includes all of the non-tangible things about yourself.

That's why all this talk about the "elites" controlling everything is a complete joke.  Everything physical (which is where the "power" is located) is meaningless.  What is important are the intangibles of our existence.  It's hard to put those things into words though...  but it's also why NOBODY can control you.  Nobody has any power over your spiritual growth beyond that you ALLOW someone to have power over you.

Ultimately, it's a lesson which is extremely hard to learn because we're all taught that to the contrary... it's not even something you can "know".  It's something you have to "understand"... and once you do, you'll realize that just about EVERYTHING you've known about your life has been a waste of time.

[So... in those phasings you've tried (hopefully successful?), did you experience something which provided some kind of value to your spiritual growth?]

Hey guys

Am i the only one here who tried the phasing method ending to wonder how one could know if this was more than a pure creation or not ?... How one could collect a proof ?... How one could contact other realms than F2 and to go to F3 or to contact our guides ?


...?

This is the epitome of the problem which everyone who does this stuff runs into eventually... IS WHAT I'M EXPERIENCING REAL!?  OR AM I MAKING IT UP!?

The answer: You can't know.  You'll NEVER know.  This is why the concept of a focus 2 and a focus 3 is absolutely beyond ridiculous.

The question you should be asking yourself isn't if what you're experiencing is real or not... it's: are you gaining any value out of your experiences. 
If it's coming from within you or outside of you doesn't matter.  Ultimately *EVERYTHING* is part of the one consciousness anyway... *LITERALLY*.  You are part of EVERYTHING which you can ever experience.  So if you're part of everything you can experience, then nothing is inside or outside of you.  Everything just *is*.

So... in those phasings you've tried (hopefully successful?), did you experience something which provided some kind of value to your spiritual growth?

[ALL]

The Elites of this world DON'T have power over me, as I live a life similar to that explained by Letitia M. Kimball in her book (I've chosen to live a life of genteel poverty even before I read her book), and I've also Awaken my Consciousness and as you should know that's a necessary step to take to achieve Freedom. I've done that, but some people that post topics in this forum are Chained (they mention so many things about their life "problems" that they live as they choose to follow the sketch taught to them precisely to live in struggle), and topics like this one and the one of the Books of Lucid Dreaming (Astral Projection) are important tools for them to awaken and realize that the plastic/artificial lives they live are only what the Farmers want them to be, as they want to collect as many energy from them as possible, as that's their purpose in this world, and only by knowing that and the things mentioned in those topics is that a people in FEAR and EMOTIONAL IMBALANCE, can learn to detach from FEAR and learn to Control their EMOTIONS to keep them on check (as well as possible), and that brings them FREEDOM and PEACE.

Yet, you don't seem to realize the simplest of truths: nothing of what you speak of above matters in the least.  None of it.
Most people don't realize it though.  Everything which is "physical" is meaningless.

\Only by reviewing ALL the links of Videos, Web Pages, and Images, contained in the posts of this topic, is that you (and anyone interested in investigating them) will be able to know if you're being LIED about what is mentioned there or not.

My only issue with this is that you've posted about 6 DOZEN+ video links...
I can guarantee you I have neither the time nor the inclination to watch them.

If after seeing the EVIDENCE of the Lies someone chooses to Ignore it, then is clearly Sleep Walking; I respect those that Sleep Walk and feel COMPASSION for them, but I've learned to LET THEM BE as they CHOOSE to be like that; only the 1% that Awaken their Consciousnesses are the ones that I'm interested to extend this topic/theme/message for them to analyze it and realize the reality of their situation, as they can't brake the Chains of Slavery if they Can't See the Chains and the Cage that keeps them Prisoners.

Please REVIEW ALL the Links contained in this topic, and contrast that with what I've written in it, and conclude using your own personal Consciousness what you consider to be the Truth for You, as this information will be only important and useful for those that take the time to Analyze It ALL; it took me Years to Analyze it, I'm just making it easier to other ones to locate it and be able to analyze it.

Again, you don't seem to understand.  *None of what you speak about above matters in the slightest*.  None of it.  Anything physical has no meaning, what-so-ever.  
When you realize WHY none of it matters, then you're going to kick yourself for wasting all that time.  I know I did.

Honestly, you're as caught up in the illusion as the people you're trying to "help".  You can't help from within the same system you're trying to save people from.  
You're like a fellow inmate, trying to break someone else out of jail.

EDIT:
How's this for synchronicity... I pop onto facebook and see the below image.  Perfect timing.