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I downloaded that song today.  You are right.  It is an amazing song.  very beautiful.  I absolutely love it.

Sorry to sound inexperiaced and curious about this, but that's because I am.  Are you guys saying that a person out of body, can actually end up tangled in the physical bedding, pulling it off the bed with them, and perhaps dragging it though the house... or are you thinking more about the non physical dupicates of the bedding entagling your energy bodies?

thanks for postign those links, both of you.  Unfourunatly, I jsut realized that my audio is somehow dead on my computer.  I have been trying to get it fixed.  When I do, I will play those you tube videos. 
Sorry I can't give any greater deatails about the man I heard on the radio that night.  Me and my crazy one AM listening habbits, lol.

are you breathing through your mouth or your nose when you try to project?  If you breathe in through your mouth to much, I would think that could be to blame for your dry, scratchy throat.  Also take notice of how dry it is in the room you are in while doing this.  If the air is too dry that could cause trouble too.   When I sleep in dry air, I often wake up with a dry, sore throat.  Not too mention a dry mouth and sometimes even an irritated nose.

Is it too late to sign up for this class?  Sorry, I did post on here before that i was interested in it, but then I  got distracted by some stuff that happened in life recently.

Oh that portal thingy...   I saw that once before while poking around on the internet.  No, I really dom't think something like that could really work.  But hey you never knwo, that's jsut my two sense.  I however think it would be of more use to simply visuallize a portal in your own mind.  One that you have created yourself.  I'm thinking that if you visualized a prortal that way, then imagined flying onto it, you could get the smae kind of effect as the swinging technique.  The idea would be to feel motion of sopme kind, without phyically moving

I have had one encounter with a deceased loved one, during an unintentional projection.  This was the one and only time I have ever projected while aware of it, and starting from a wakefull state, but I somehow did it without even trying.  Anyway, I somehow found myself standing on the edge of a cliff, looking forward into nothingness.  I walked closer to the edge of the cliff and looked over.  I seemed to be standing on a cliff in the middle of the universe or something.  all i could see beofre me, and below the cliff was blackness, although I could see distant stars glittering far away.  As I continued to look out there I began to see swirls of color forming in the blackness.  Suddeny as I looked straight ahead again, there stood my grandfather, who had died in the past year.  He looked just as he had in life, even wearing his favorate old grey button down sweater, over his clothes.  stood as if if was an everyday thing to do, right in the middle of... nothing.  I was somehow, however, not too amazed to see that nothing was under his feet holding him up.  I was well aware that the laws of psysics did not apply there in the same way they do here.  He looked at me, as if not at all surprised to see me at all, and I wondered, did he call me there?  he came closer to the cliff's edge, and I stayed where I was and waited to see what he would say.
"I made it over alright," he said to me.  "It was easier than always thought.  The whole process of dying and going over to the next world, I mean.  I miss all of you though.  Nice to see you again, and be able to talk to you."  I looked around bit more, unsure still of exactly where I was and how I had gotten there in the first place, but trusting that I could get back home if I really wanted to.
"come out here," he said to me suddenly, and I suddenly began to feel nevrvous.  Beging used to life as a physical being, I could not imagine deliberatly stepping off a cliff   I recall that I shook my head at first, unwilling to try.  He held he hands out though, insisting that I trust that I wouldn't fall  I took a leap of faith and stepped close to the edge, then stepped off, into nothing below.  And I stoode as though on solid ground.  It was the wierdest thing ever to stand on nothing at all.
I don't know if he said anything else to me.  i relly don't recall, even how I got back.  I just suddenly started to drift back to wakefullness, and could hear the sounds in the room again.

Over the summer I was listening to coast to coast AM, which her in western Canada, comes on at about one in the morning.  Yeah, yeah, I know I have no life, lol.  Anyways... I recall laying in bed listening to some random guy talking about his speculations for 2012.  He said some really cool things about a great spiritual awakening.  I don't recall all the details of it.  It was after all the middle of the night, and I had the volume low to avoid desturbing my sleeping boyfriend.  I do recall him saying a couple things about a stairway of sorts reaching to the upper planes, and every human who wishes to know it, will know all the wonders of realms beoynd our own.  He emphasized as well that 2012 would not be the end of the world, so to speak.  Just the end of life as we know it today.  Humans will, he believes, still live on in hte physical world as we always have.  We will just live a life more in tune with other things.  I however did not manage to catch the name of the man speaking and have never heard about it again anywhere else.  I was hoping that someone here might have alink to a site with more inforation abbout this 2012 idea.  I find that theory simply amazing and would LOVE to read more on it.
Thanks a ton for any help.

Last night I had a terrible dream about a soul eating demon.  A man I was with in a big house, where everyone was being eaten, somehow killed the thing, with, of all things, a piece of candy.  I woke up from that dream in a state of uncontrolable spinning and could even feel G-forces.  I could not stop this spinning, or bring myself back to normal awareness.  I somehow knew that this was not simply a dizzy spell, but was something nonphysical that I could not take control of.  It began to grow stronger until my force of the motion felt as though it would pull me apart.  I could feeling some kind of rushing feeling and could not overcome the G-force.  I began to panic, and some part of my mind cried out, "oh my god.  I'm caught up in the vortex."  I did not know what that meant or why I had thought that.  Suddenly I was aware of the presence of my spirit guide, who I have worked with alot, and know quite well.  She grabbed onto me hands and pulled me free of this whirling force.  Now free of it, I was simply dizzy for several seconds, before I went right back to sleep again.
Later in the night, I woke up again, and to my surprise and dread, I felt myself going into a spin again.  This time, perhaps because I was awake early on enough in the expireince to take control, I felt more confidant.  I gave a firm mental command of "No way.  Stop.  I can't do this."  The feeling of motion faded, and that was that.  I went back to sleep, and had no farther trouble.
I am really hoping that someone here will have a clue what this was all about, because I have never felt anything like that before.  Was it related to AP?  I felt very disconnected form my physical body.  I am bound and determined that this will not become a set back in my AP training.  Did I blow a great chance to take off, and go, when I commanded the motion to stop?  I'm not sure not that I should have done that, but I panicked, and got freaked out.

great.  I;ve already taken a quick pek on there, but I'll head back over and take a better look, and see the new updates.
Thanks

I am really sorry.  You seem to have added more information in another post, just as I was trying to submit my post.  I think the link to you site would be where to find all the answers.  Please disregard my last post.

That certainly sounds interesting.  It is deffinatly something i would be interested in getting more information about.  I might have an interest in join this class.  How can I get ahold of more info about this?

You're deffinatly right about the idea of sceduled practice.  The mind and body seem to respond well to knowing what they are doing each day.  I like to practice at night before going to sleep, and I am thinking about trying to start waking up in the early mornings to try the idea of practicing after a bit of sleep, yet while still tired.  The day I practiced in the mid afternoon with people running around in the house.  However this is not something I tend to do as a rule.  I was just a little tired and since I went to lay down I just thought, well I may as well see what might happen.  I didn't think people would be that inconsiderate knowing that I had gone to lay down.

You idea about taking notice of wehen you begin to fall asleep seems like a good idea.  I believe that in that not quite asleep, but not quite awke either state is the time that your mind would have to be most open to a sugestion. 
I remember when I was a little girl.  I used to, for some reason be quite fastenated and amazed by the whole process of the boby falling asleep.  I remember telling my mother once when I was mabye seven, how strange it was that I could never notice the moment I dozed off every night.  She thought it to be a little odd that I would have been thinking about that at all, but I did alot of thinking like that.  I have also been troubled with moderate sleep problems on and off thoughout my life, starting from early childhood.  When I was about nine years old, I used to, in an effort to get to sleep at nihgts, lay in bed and ask myself if I was sleeping or dreaming yet.  after reading you sugestion, I am thinking thatr I may have been onto something when I  was young and of course knew nothing about OBEs.  I think I would like to try some of those things again and see if I can make it work for me now.

I didn't have a chance to post this until today, but I decided to post something that happened yesterday afternoon.  I was very overtired and decided to lay down and rest for a bit.  I thought that it would be a good chance to practice and maybe make an attempt to project.  I started to take notice of the shifts in consciousness between awake and asleep.  It became really easy to notice, and soon, unexpectedly I became
very aware of vibrations.  I had not expected this to happen but since it had, I thought to just go with it and see what happened.  Strangely enough, I fell asleep, and when I woke up again, someone was playing load rock music in the house and I could not remember anything.  I think I must have just gone into dream state and forgot the dream.  I wonder though, what would have happened if my inconsiderate housemate had not cranked her music up full blast and woke me up.

I'm with Stookie.  I just don't talk about it all that much with many people.  I feel quite alright talking with you folks on the message boards about and I have a few like minded friends who I can talk about it with.  Other than that, I don't even try.  I made the mistake once of mentioning it once while having coffee with my mother, who has always been into "new age" interests.  I was telling her about how I am trying to learn phasing, and trying to project from a mind awake, body asleep state.  She looked at me with the strangest look on her face and said simply... "Why?" in the oddest tone, as though she thouhgt that that was an insane thing to be trying to do on perpose.

Hi.  This may seem like an odd question, but I have always slept alone, (except while I was dating my last boy friend, but I never tried to project then)  I was just wondering this recently.  If a person is in bed with an other person, and projects, or makes an attempt, does the other person seem to be bothered be it, or notice it at all

This is just so typical of Murphy's law I suppose.  It seems that now that I know that I could theoretically use this sleep awareness to learn to project, I now have almost no more instances where I become aware of those shifts.  I suppose I can mabye try to tell myself to notice them, any opinions on this?

Thanks for the advice.  I think that for me to be able to do something like what you suggest will take a good bit of practice, but I will give it a try.

Lately I have began to become very aware of shifts in levels of awareness as I fall asleep.  it is actually really incredible I think.  Often now at night, I will lay in bed, and as I try to go to sleep, I will think about my level of consciousness, and a good number of times now, as I pay attention to it, I can honestly feel the, 'shift' as I become more asleep, and less awake.  Sometimes, it seems as though there are a couple of these shifts, each time taking me lower and lower in my level of conscious awareness.  I wondered though in the last little while if there is a way I could take this new skill I am learning, and use the awareness of the shifts to try to project.  Does anyone have any advice on this?

Believing has nothing to do with it. Closing your eyes doesn't stop the genocide going on in Darfur.

It is true that we human beings tend to close our eyes to the unpleasentness of life, and the world in general.  I think thart is some of what people hope for in regards to the 2012 prophacy.  It is certainly my hope that not only will humanities eyes be opened in ways they have never been before, but also that there will no longer be anything we need to close out eyes to at all.

Perhaps in 2012 they'll be able to scientifically prove OBE's, ghosts, the astral, and stuff like that exist, and then people will have to accept it. So, the world will become more spiritually enlightened that way.

I have thought about the same thing myself.  It would be a much better world I think, if those things could be proven and become more mainstream.  When I think of the thiongs that are happening around us already, in the year 2007, some of todays events give me great hope that this will will happen in 2012.

Its not the end
Its a beginning

I completely agree with you on that one.   I think that 2012 is a beginning of something new, not an end at all.  I first learned of the whole 2012 idea while listening to coast to coast a.m.  I realize that alot of people don't put much credit into that talkshow, but I thought that some good points were brought up on there that one night.  After reading a little more about it, I have come to realized that this could be a good thing.  Who says the world will cease to exist at all.  I think it is quite likely that we will go on living almost exactly as we are now, except that we will be tolerant, enlightened and openminded.
I for one, am actually looking forward to 2012.

I've ben trying for maybe two years, if you add up the times in my life that I have devoted time to practicing.  I tried a lot years ago, and didn't get very far.  I quit for a buch of personal reasons, and have just recently got back to practicing.

It is so cool to be one of the people posting something like this on here.  Last night I came VERY close to OBE.  It was amazing.  I had settled down in my bed to meditate a bit before sleeping.  I have for a good while been developing my abilities in spirit communication, and have been working with a spirit guide for some time as well.  Last night, I had begun to communicate with my guide after feeling her presence in the room.  It would seem that she wants for me to be able to AP as much as I wish to do it.  She began to tell me to clam my mind and body, I did that of course.  Soon her presence drifted away but was still a little noticeable.  Well from the state I had gotten myself into, I just let things go from there.  I focused on energy that was building in my hands.  It began to spread to my arms and upper body.  Then the energy changed forms and became a sort of vibration.  The vibration now spread to the rest of my body quite quickly.  I knew that this was good, and I just layed without making a move for a little bit, hoping to get closer to being able to 'step out.'
Soon my mind began to lose quite a lot of awareness of my body.  This part is hard to explain.  I felt like I was going to sleep sort of, except that I was still also very awake.  My mind went almost blank, aware now only of the vibrations, and the energy in the room, and of trying to move in a few minutes.  I believe that my consciousness was shifting to my astral body.  I was now of course very light headed, and yet still felt in control, although that control that I had was slipping more and more.  Strangely this did not scare me or bother me.  I know somehow that I could take control again if I wanted to, but I decided to let what happen happen at that point.
I was almost at a point where I knew without much doubt that I could move my astral body, and achieve separation.  I more fully than I ever have before that I could do it, and strangely enough, knew that if I didn't do it then, I would on another attempt.
Sadly, I did not fully manage to project last night.  The vibrations slowed, and my mind went fully back to my physical body.  I lay in my bed for a couple of minutes, trying to understand what had happened.  I let everything come back to normal, then got out of bed to get a bottle of water from the kitchen.  I stood up, thinking to myself, "Oh my god.  I actually almost did it!  I can't believe how close I came."
I always thought that if I ever did come as close as I came, that I would be scared, and start to panic, bit I wasn't afraid at all.
I am so motivated now to keep working on trying to go father.