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Hey Neg Removal5,

Guess I hit a nerve!!! Or so your use of gratouitous profanity and angry sarcasm suggests. If my OPINION offends than so be it. It is my opinion, based on my observations through my life. I do not claim that it is the gospel truth for me. But just my opinion and it is subject to change as I see fit. This forum is open for the expression of opinions to open a debate.(I do not think anyone in this forum would claim that there postings are anything but there opinion based on their personal experiences) Forums are there for opinions and the freedom to express them, my American friend. I believe in personal responsability at all levels.

In My experience, what I said is true for ME. But since we all have different paths in the search we call life, our experiences should be different. Hence my self-based philosophy of personal responability. I do not expect anyone to solve my problems, but I will hear their ideas to learn from their PERSONAL perspectives and take them as so. I do not expect the truth from outside sources because my life is mine and no one can give me the awnsers that are with in me and the universe as I perceive it. Just like I can not provide awnsers for anyone else. My awnsers are right for me, perhaps only for me and perhaps only for now. But maybe someone can learn from my opinion, and others might be offended it by them. But if they take offense it is thier responsability. And I am open minded to changing my opinion. I have been refining my life philosphy since I was 8 years old 24 years ago, and I will refine and change it as I go along. We are here to learn and to change. Anyone who claims the KNOW the truth is wrong because every moment that passes changes us and our knowledgebase groes with time.

Also you neglect to mention one important thing about my argument: BALANCE. I speak of strength AND balance. Unbalanced strength is no stregnth at all. And it is MY struggle and responsability to keep this balance with in ME. Regarding RB's experience with NEG attack, I do believe he said himself that he was experimenting with the NEGS and trying to take it to them. He put himself in harms way because he needed to investigate. He put himself Off balance. But he obviously was able to fight it back. He was able to get back in balance and liberate HIMSELF from problems with the help of friends "out there". (I wish I had my copy of his book with me right now so I could give you a page number.) And remember that one of RB's book is titled "Psychic SELF DEFENSE".

I will grant you this: Nobody is excent from attack. I am aware of this. It is why I struggle to keep myself in balanced strength so when the attacks come I will be able to fight them off and scare the weaker negs away. And I do have a support system out there myself. And yes I have been attacked. And yes one day I might be surprised but I plan to be ready to defend MYSELF. And if I need help with a neg stronger than I, I do have friends to help me help myself. And I will help them defend THEMSELVES from attack if they need.

And balanced strength does make a difference in an accident or an attack. It takes a lot more to hurt a fit person that a weak unbalanced one. And strong person will recuperate faster than a weak one. This applies to everything: people in all the parts of thier lives, financial portfolios, as well as countries. Just look how much death and hatred are wished upon your country (the USA) and yet there you guys stand, stronger than ever.

Perhaps you can learn from my opinion that you need to help whomever you are trying to help by cheering their own efforts of self defense in one way or another. Perhaps not! Perhaps it does not apply to his or her life path. Perhaps Psychic Self Defense and personal resposability of balanced stregths applies only to me and no one else in the universe. I do not know. I do not claim to have all the awnsers for everything that apply to everyone. I only claim to have the awnsers that apply for me at the moment and I am willing to share my findings so far in this experiment I call life. One is taught according to one's ability to learn. I try to learn and keep an OPEN MIND from anyone and apply to my life that which is applicable and I discard that which is no applicable in MY life. But I believe that that which I discard might be someone's missing piece in there puzzle. I'm open mided enough to know that we all have wisdom in our own lives, even if someone's cornerstone is not useful in mine. But I will respect it even if to me it is delusional or arrogant.

Good Luck with your neg,Mike.

Robert

GREAT STUFF!!!

I've used it before and it works. When I did it I skipped the ritual because I do not go for ritual or liturgy. (Some people need it others dont)But it still worked. After reading your article I'm inspired to using it again regularly.

Remember that divination only gives you what will PROBABLY happen, not what will happen. Our free will can change it. It will not give you lotto numbers since that is an exceedingly random event. And if you use it for financial gain, remember to give back part of the profits through your favorite charity to keep yourself on the Universe's good side. [] (I've heard people use it to pick stocks!)

Always use with good intentions.

Take care.

Hey NR5,

First of all let clarify what I mean by denial of existence. It is not just to ignore. But it is more like souring the energy they steal from you so they will wean themselves off you. This is done by actively confroting and telling them that they are not real. They will either weaken and go away or seize to exist. Obviously this is a matter of self defense. This is effective if you are a mentaly and spiritualy fit person. A possesed person could not do this because they are weak and imbalanced to begin with, and another cannot do it for them. The weak are always targets of predators in the physical and the other dimensions.

I believe that the best defense is to keep yourself your fit and balanced physicaly, spiritualy and mentaly. The simple presence of a strong person can make negs run away and look for weak victims. And if somebody puts a contract on you by using black magic and negs, you will be able to fight back.

On helping other's under attack, I'm sure an intervension by several fit people would be necessary as well as helping the possesed help him/herself. But the actual techniques required, I don't know.

tb

Good for you!!! You are a true skeptic because you are willing to explore and do not have an agenda to disprove the phenomenon uber alles until you try the experience.

Regarding the mind split and RB's approach to AP, it appealed to me because it was NOT a Mystical approach but an almost mechanic one. To me the mystical approaches to all phenomena are ritualistic in nature. Ritual is an aid to concentrate your mental and spiritual energies. It is not right or wrong, so if you need it, use it. The universe is still a scientific one with rules and everything. Its just that the rules are a lot more complex than the dogmatic scientific method athiest cling to like a crucifix. (I know, I used to be an athiest too. Now I'm more of a panthiest.)

I have experienced the mind split, sort of. I remember a feeling of duality when I apparently had an OBE. I don't remember what happened when out, but I do remember a clear sense of duality.

Hope this helps.

A truly skeptic mind is open to the possibilities and explores them. The so called skeptics are just trying to find alternative explanations to facts, with no intention of finding the truth behind it because their minds already hold a dogmatic version of the "truth". In other words, they find explanations to the facts that fit their dogma. Whether this dogma is religous or scientific is irrelevant. On the one hand, religous dogmas are faith based and therefore anything anyone belives in with faith is equally true as any other dogma. And "scientists" have a dogmatic belief in the scientific method that does not hold water when confronted with chaos theory.

Plus this phenomenon (AP) has been reported in too many cultures to be dismissed. It is older than all religions. Anyway organized religion has it backwards: Morality comes from spirituality and not the other way around.

But anyway, even if it were all delusional, I still want the experience cause it feels good.

A traditional method for neg removal is garlic. Yeah I know sounds goofy but it works. Our Host R. Bruce mentions this on this website as well as his books.

Another I have used is just to tell them to f&"% off while in trance or in lucid dreams. One time after months of realistic nightmares I became lucid in the dream and denied the entities' reality. I immidiately stopped having the dreams. Of course they could have been only dreams, but I do have reason to believe that I was being attacked. At the time I was having problems with a person I knew had been involved in black magic at one time.

Another one I heard of is just being aware that you are under attack and denying the entities influence over you cuts there power.

hope this helps

I had an experience with UFOs! I had a dream communication from them. They told me a few things that sum up in that they have already made contact with a particular so called secret society and that that was there so called high secret. (Many of you might be able to guess which secret society I'm reffering to) And then I was awakened with our beloved vibes. Just to assure it was not a dream.

A few days Later, there was a UFO sighting in my city that made the front page of the newspapers. That really made my skin crawl.

Since then, (2 years ago) I have been trying to verify the info.

Anybody know about it?

Cool!!!

Congratulation TS! And yes!! The vibes are better than sex. I have not had a spontaneous deliberate obe yet, but I've had spontaneous partial OBE "pop outs" and even those are great. I'm sure I will be posting my first fully conscious OBE soon.

I have been doing energy work for a few weeks now. I find that taking care of ALL my physiological needs before my "psychic workouts" helps me to clear my surface mind. So be good to yourself. [^]