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Friends,

Every-time during the night when I project its also night time. On rare occasion the astral will be lighted. I do have a few nightlights on in the the physical bedroom but this doesn't seem to do the trick. When I'm in the astral, I will my intent with the lights turning or or welcoming daylight to appear. Been down the road of turning on the light switch but nothing happens

Can anyone suggest a good method of turning darkness into light?

Tvos

Manuel,

That's a interesting idea to see what actually happens. I've tried that on occasion in the astral by calling my answer machine, but nothing never came of it.

Another great experiment to consider. Have you ever tried this and what results were the outcome?

Tvos

Pepto Bismol,

NP. hope all what I say has some sort of value...

The last 3 months(4/27 - 7/25) -  I've been keeping track of my experiences and I believe this helps the overall picture. With keeping a journal what I eat during the day, time tracking of the experience, along with journal notes.

So far to date here's the breakdown

Conscious Astral Projection - 19
False Awakening - 4
Lucid Dream To Astral Projection - 2

I'm constantly mentally thinking of astral projection, reading, listening to the subliminal tape I suggested earlier,  talking with people on-line here at the astral pulse, mental affirmations to myself during the day, reciting, crystals, and acting out my intent, setting up experiments and with goals in mind.

This is what it takes for me to be successful at projections. Its a lot of mental/physical work and its paying off.

Hopefully, you can use this information to further your own studies and practices.

Tvos

James,

I hope this is the last question in this thread.. I really appreciate the expert advice you'd given me and for others to read. I can definitely tell that you are skilled with this and a great person.

When I wrote about the moonlight being blocked from overcast, I figured as much it wouldn't matter, but the cycle of recharging them would. Now, there was one day that I left the crystal outside completely in the sun and at night. Does this effect the balance of the crystal charging?

Tvos

shape shifting myself into a blueberry smurf.. don't ask why, it just happened....

but on a grand scale - my scientific card verification (see experiences section) and being able to control my projections. i could go on - each experience is unique and different.

tvos

c'mon people - not even one reply on this?

no one has ever tried to travel to the sun, or burn oneself up?

tvos

Anyone here ever experiment with a EEG machine or did any scientific
study in a lap sleep with astral projection?

I've seen around the net different machines for home and it can be rather costly. Has anyone tried these machines, any conclusions that were studied on projections, vibrations and rems?

Tvos

Han,

This email thread was directed to James for the sake of education on the crystal purification process. Not just for me but for others to learn as well.  Don't be so dour and be open to different possibilities.

Tvos

James,

I placed my crystal necklace out the last 3 days. There was a lot of overcast and didn't get enough moonlight. Will that still effect the quality of the purification of the crystal? Should I leave the crystal out when the moonlight is not blocked by clouds?

Please advise..

Tvos

Jay Dawg,

Those are two real good explanation difference between lucid dream and astral projection. However, this is also something you really need to search for yourself within to determine if its real or not.

Read up on monroe, bruce and the others as well and form your own conclusions. The best way to go about proving this to be real or not, start conducting tests like the card experiment. When you perform the card experiment and able to retrieve the info. make sure when you come back write down the results first before looking at the cards.

Hope this helps.

Tvos

Telos,

Not to be rude or put you down but your last paragraph kinda of reminded me how Jerry Springer ends his tv show by support, sympathy, and a loving tone. Again, please forgive me on that but I just had to say something..

I think at one time if I can recall that I was in love with a woman in the astral. Even though she lived in the physical, she was there and everywhere to be found. But I found that it was great pain because I could share with her in the astral but not physical at the same time.

Anyways, I wish you luck in your findings..Keep me in touch with this.

Tvos

Jay Dawg,

Whats interesting is that these reports from the site talk disconnection entirely for longer then 10minutes and pronounced dead with some incredible validation to the experiences.  

Its true that you visit a site like that and you're expected to have a change of mind. Its more a less to balance out obe and ld. The only true authentic method of proof is to experience this yourself.

All I can really say is that conduct experiments in the astral that you can bring back to the physical as proof for yourself.  I think that being skeptic will narrow your verifications and not opening up possibilities. Also, smoking pot will just diminish your experiences.

What experiments have you tested in the dream to say there's no astral? Do you keep a record account of your journals? Also, where are you from and your age?

Tvos

Jay Dawg,

Here's some excellent reading material on NDE and what these people have went through. I've read quite a bit of the testimonies and the ones that really stick out are the true verified scientific verifications.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research11.html

Read the part on Pam Reynolds and especially Dr.Charles Tart.
And another Rev. George Rodonaia.

Lommel noted that only 10 seconds after the heart stops beating, the electroencephalogram goes dead. At this point, there is no activity in the brain cortex and the brain cannot manufacture visions. Within 10 minutes, brain stem activity ceases and irreparable brain damage can occur.

Read on more of the site, I think you'll learn a lot and might help you understand the differences.

About my experiment its rather pretty simple. I was able to verify two playing cards with two different suits, along with the factor of the king and jack getting them mixed up. The other card was a 2 and I saw a 8. No biggie, but to get the suits correct and the mix-up between the king/jack which are identical - its a 500 to 1 attempt to get this accuracy.

My brother had a astral projection experience the day before he met the mailman at the door. It was the same mailman in the astral, detailed to the 'T'. This mailman was not our regular that came around everyday.

All I can say is run your own tests, experiments and see if you're able to produce viable results. So far, you've not showed me anything to challenge except what you 'hear'. Show me, don't tell me!

Tvos

Telos,Van-Stolin and CP,

Don't you think that a physical woman would be healthier then a dream/astral woman? Sure, there's a connection of great love and passion, but nothing can come close to a live, breathing, wife that you wake up to every morning and can see her smile saying "I Love You".

I'm not trying to knock you three, but to me there's that lesson of love to be learned here in the physical. The astral life will come later and that's when you can pursue her.

Just a thought..

Tvos

Jay Dawg,

I like your approach and skepticism on the issue and I respect that. Its always good to have a alternate view. Please don't take this as I'm attacking you or putting you down.

Although, you can't tell someone that has had a NDE (Near Death Experience) and had flat lined for 5-10mins that were dreaming and were able to verify the obe. There have been millions of reports on the subject that closely falls in align with OBE.

Just last week I was able to get VERY close to a 500 to 1 card experiment with two suits matching and a mix up between king and jack. My brother experienced a verification projection premonition many moons ago. He found himself in the front room answering the door out of body and it was the postman. The next day, my brother went to the door without thinking and the postman was there. Dressed EXACTLY to detail and the kicker of it all was that the postman wasn't the regular that usually comes by everyday. It was the postman that my brother saw in the projection... Please kindly explain that!

Have you ever tested targets, experiments while lucid? Have you kept your notes, journals and scientific data that leads you to conclusion that all these 8,000 members on this site are crazy? Btw: How long have you been active in lucid dreaming? How many experiences?

I have the proof - now show me yours!!

Tvos

Jay Dawg,


I agree with Guthwulf and what he had to say about astral projection vs. lucid dreaming. I believe when you become conscious within the dream you're out of body. Just a month ago I became lucid in the dream and you can instantly tell the shift in conscious level of awareness.

We are here to share information, help one another and not put each other down for their beliefs. So relax and enjoy the conversations, if not then

Read up on my astral projection card verification that I experienced last week:  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19831  Maybe this will help you with your own perceptions if its real or not.

Give the experiment a try or choose your own tests. Its a
500 to 1 shot that I nailed on the first attempt with the card verification.
This is not the first time I had verifications, but this was the BIG ONE!

Tvos

xXAmayaXx,


I know Frank and Michael_E added their responses, so I decided to give you a third opinion and my .2 worth.


1. Will you see ghosts the very first few times you AP,and if so will they try to talk to you or glare and stuff? Also,what do they look like?

Ghosts are nothing more then people who've passed from the physical and into the astral manifesting in the lower levels. When I'm out I see people that are just like you and me. Nothing anything different as if you were to walk down your street or in a public area. You might run into weird entities every so often, but for the most part its all physical perception.

2. Is it really true that you will see colors that are not normally seen by the human eye? Ex. I get my first OBE and my room has colors that I've never seen before.

I really don't see any colors that are new or different. I know that my perception of the world around me is electrified and the view is alive. It seems to be much brighter, vivid, very clear, and flowing with energy.


3. Are the sounds while entering/exiting your body so loud that they scare you right back in? Because I have a tendency to get freaked easily,lol.

I've heard sounds and been in tight situation's that really freaked me out. Not a pleasant experience to go thru but at times I think this is something we really need to experience to get over our fears.


4. If you have one at night,will it be night in the AP world? Same for day to?

I've had projections that it didn't matter the time of day or night. It could be daytime in the physical and its night or vice versa. I prefer to project during the light because its easier to see things and our society usually associates night time = evil, scary which is b.s.

5. Is your first OBE scary,or is it so cool that you forget your freaked out?

My first OBE was scary because I didn't know what was actually happening. Even though, it took me about 2 months prior with reading up on the subject, practice, reciting affirmations it still was a shock to the system. In a nutshell, I almost threw in the towel on this oobe phenomenal and started to think that it wasn't real. At the time I was reading a astral projection book by Janet E. Lee. I was driven to keep reading the book but very tired and wanted to take a nap.

Once I closed my eyes and let go of hope of trying so hard to project it was matter of minutes I was out. I had problems putting my shoes on because my hand kept passing thru. It was daylight in the room and in the physical it was dark and there was a apple on the bed. I couldn't figure out what the hell was happening. I then remember "the book" and as I started floated towards the book I was being pulled back falling. Then the terror built inside and it just was not a good scene. I hit hard with running emotions, terror of slamming back into my body. Once I awakened, my heart was racing, I was sweating and the icing on the cake I was in complete darkness. I bolted out of the room so dam fast that I went flying up the steps and into the hallway when it striked me down like lightning. That I experienced my first full blown astral projection. When I realized this I was jumping for joy, called all my friends, family and was driven to succeed.

6. I heard that when you look at your physical body while APing,it looks so weird that it scares you right back into your body. True?

I've touched my physical body (felt myself up. j/k), but seriously. It doesn't look anything different from what I could see. It is a weird and remote feeling when you're looking back at yourself or touching. But reality sinks in real well that we're nothing more then energy.

7. Will you see other APers while APing if you leave your home?

I do question people in the astral and most of the time I get this glossy look like their stoned or don't know what I am talking about. Either they have passed on or dreaming.

8. How long did it take you to have your first OBE?

About 2 months.

9. Do you feel all your normal emotions? Or are some eliminated?

All emotions are intact when projecting..

Sorry for the length of this post reply.

Tvos

Vvid1012,

No, I really don't lose any sleep when I experiment with the alarm clock method. It can a difficult method (IMO) to work with especially if you're trying to project. You'll either give into sleep and turn the alarm clock off or be in the right frame of mind for conditioning to allow it to work.

This is nothing more then waking up in the morning hours to go to bathroom  and then back to bed with the intent and desire to project.

Last night few nights I tried the alarm clock experiment and completely failed. Because of the geographic change my bed is now in my house and had reduced sleep.

It can work under the right conditions.

Tvos

Pepto Bismol,

I have a subliminal tape series from Barrie Konicov that I bought 17yrs ago when I first started astral projection.

I did have problems with side 1 which was the self hypnosis instruction by Barry. The second side is the subliminal and very nice to listen to. It kinda has that old 70's mysterious free spirit relaxed feeling to the music.

I would imagine after listening to this for ages it has done some good with my projections. But don't put your $$$ into this as the golden ticket. It all takes work in projecting - reading, communicating with fellow projectionists, and driven intent to succeed.

http://www.potentialsunlimited.com/

Enjoy,

Tvos

Paint1,

I tried cutting corners and cutting out the ping pong balls and placing them over my eyes. Not a good way to experiment if you really want some serious problems poking your eyes out - hence why I purchased the goggles.

Unfortunately, they do not make no more of this product because the company folded. I spoke with the owner where I purchased them from and that's what he had said.

But I'm sure with the right materials it wouldn't be too tough to make.

Tvos

I've never had any flashing lights during a projection. The only flashing blue light that I can think of would be the one at K-Marts telling the customers their's a sale in aisle 13..:) j/k

But seriously, that's interesting occurrence. Maybe it has to do with energy that you are seeing that's around you? I known at times I've been able to see my aura and its kinda of like a blue,whitish electric glow around my whole body in the astral. Maybe this is what you were seeing?

In the physical world if you look at a object like you're gazing or looking past it I'm able to pick up the energy around it which lightly turns into a a luminous glow.

Tvos

Recoverer,

Actually, I wouldn't decorate a beautiful flower with a ribbon or anything of the sort. All I stated is what I saw at the time and surely I wasn't thinking about the wicked witch when witnessing extraordinaire like this.

Tvos

Selski,

The night before I tried setting my alarm to go off every 1/2hr and it didn't seem to work as effective like before. Maybe, I should try every 20mins to see if there's a better chance.  

I wish that I knew why some days I can fluently project and others why even bother? There must be something within the physical that can be easily tapped into at will projections.

I started putting together a spreadsheet and am tracking my food intake, hours of sleep, and dates of projections - false awakening, and lucid dreams.

Tvos

well something was up on that scene with the witch... couldn't be something like the gingerbread man or king Arthur.. that i could accept but the witch.. grrr

tell me what happened in detail about the last supper if you don't mind?

tvos

Has anyone ever tried projecting and then flying directly into the sun?

To see if you would catch on fire, burn yourself, blind or would you just
pass through, land on the surface and swim the hot lava?

Tvos