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I was told by my classical guitar instructor that if you look into the eyes directly of that person you are talking to - if there's a sparkle then its  real authentic consciousness of someone else, but if there is no spark then its your sub-consciousness creating the thought form.

i do recall in a projection that I tested this to be so - have you ever tried this or anyone else heard about this theory to test?

tvos

its that s#&^t that drives me crazy and trying to reason it out but you know inside you'll never get the same chance again, but maybe out of luck.

don't get me wrong i've met up with the same friends, relatives, loved one's that are static but its the one's that are not - a higher helper, thought form, or just someone running behind the scenes having fun.

tvos

yeah but when i converse with a woman and the woman turns to a man... kinda of fishy IMO. had that happened me to last week when I was talking with this guy who said his wife killed him.

tvos

From what I can remember without looking up my notes is that I was in the pyramid, and went into the hynogogic state. During the vibrations I felt hands pulling me out of the pyramid. When I was out I do remember that I went flying with someone out of the apartment complex where the pyramid was built.

Yes, it was a definitely cool experience. I can't wait until the day I get a bigger house with a basement to build a new pyramid. Kinda of like camping out in your house..

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i don't know if this is possible or even been attempted - but would there be anyway to glimpse, or capture a video recording of the astral world?

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Frank,

What seems to work for you when gathering information from people that you meet in the astral?

Would you think that these people are trying to play around with you, make it a guessing game or what?

What do you suggest sir?

Tvos

anyone want to comment on this?

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Anyone ever try to Astral Project inside of a pyramid?

About 12yrs ago my friend and I built a pyramid in his apartment. Covered the outer sides with wood and then aluminum.  Listened to meditative music and smoked a little too.

But for the most part I did have a few experiences. I'm not sure if I'm just the weird one of the group but has anyone tried that before?

Tvos

What is the best way to determine if a thought form is actually real or not?

How to really distinguish between your sub-conscious thought forms?

Ex: A week ago, talked with this woman who turned into a man. Was this a thought form, or was this actually happening where the woman turned himself into the man?

Tvos

James,

I just purchased a amethyst and quartz crystal a few weeks ago. I've noticed a increased in dream recall, physical thoughts, objectives carrying over into my dreamllife - which is good.

My question to you is this. Does it hurt to have one or more crystal at a time or should I only use the one I'm wearing now around my neck? Some people have told me that I need a grounding and protection crystal when I project. So far I've been doing this for 17yrs and never really had the need for one. Always found my way back and called on God for sticky situations.

Please advise and Thank You for the info. you talked about earlier in this thread.

Tvos

anyone here ever project during school classroom while the teacher was putting everyone into a state of boredom lecture?

always a great feeling getting pulled back and the physical body whiplashes. then the class reacts to you being asleep - but out of body you are..

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Catmeow,

I've read fox but the others I've not. Right now, I'm reading on bruce's material then off to a few that you suggested.

I would imagine that you are right about the pioneers that have past on. I think that there's probably some law forbidding this? Maybe God said its not your territory to intervene with physical life no more. Who knows?

But it would be interesting if the monroe institute still remained in contact with Robert. Someone said that there were audio files of this?

Tvos

It usually takes me about 5mins or less to put myself under the hypnogogic state to leave when I'm very relaxed. I've been able to time track this along with one time with video recording.

I'll wake up physically and back to bed, a trip to the bathroom during the night or setting the alarm clock to go off. I've found also naps are good place to start where the body needs to reset but the mind is definitely active at that time.

But during the initiation process I'll feel myself reaching or rolling off the bed and onto the floor. Sometimes, I will imagine this or I will awake in the hypnogogic state.

Hope this helps..

Tvos

On the video that I recorded I was able to see my physical body jerk and my eye lids twitch and a stricken fear in my face. Also, when I was in the hypnotic state I was testing by raising my arms in the air and in the physical the arm also raised - it was a dual reaction to both bodies at the same time.

I'm going to invest in a video camera (a good one) for multiple purposes. this will be good to further this study and learn more.

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Major Tom,

When you think about it I was say that would be some sort of static in the astral world. One of these reasons the majority times that we project where do we usually start from? It starts in the bedroom, the house, and then outside to the world and that's normally static all the time, except for the variations of past-present-future elements that drift in. But I do wonder if that's just a place we create that is always there or occurs right away when external separation happens.

What about this astral island (love the picture and the pyramid). Wouldn't that stay the same in the point of time and space? Again, static then dynamic. Maybe the only way to find out is to ask people in the astral and take a survey. Like in Franks post about how he talked with that lady in the church she built waiting for God.  That would be one way of static for her but to probe deeply into conversation and ask if others been there or it was just her.

Tvos

Almost Solid,

Not a problem ripping off my post - karma will get ya.. j/k. But serious this is what discussions are for. Elaborating, discussing the topics and other related issue's or if it takes a turn we can learn new things as well.

About verification I've been chasing this all my life and I don't know why I persist on this when I'm no stranger to obe's. I think the reason that this fuels me is to help my relatives, family, and friends.

Everything is a gift from god - your spouse, your health, your life and the good with the bad. Projection isn't anything different IMO. Some people been trying for decades to project and others can leave within months.

Tvos

i've met up with a gnome back in the day that was standing on my bed. this gnome definitely was old and you can see winkles in its face and must have been 3-4 feet tall. i can't recall the whole experience hence I would have to look for it in my journals.

that picture would make me wonder if it had any relationship. i think it does.

tvos

Hey Skydust and Frank,

The woman who I spoke with I did ask her name two times to make sure that I got it right. The name was "Tiarek Muhefah pronounced Te-air-rick Moo-ee-ah-fa" and she appeared to be amish or the clothes that woman worn in the late 19th century. She was in her early 20's, brown eyes, light brown hair, very beautiful, slender and a very nice bod. She didn't wear any makeup or jewelry. She was silent and had a nice tone to her. I do feel that if I could have talked with her more it would been beautiful.

Just last Monday I ran across a man who I was walk in with hold hands, he told me that his wife murdered him. His name was Bobby and was at least in his mid 40's. During our conversation I told him sorry to hear that he was deceased and I would pray for him. My consciousness was terrible at that moment and I struggled to maintain it by pulling on my eyelids to keep them open so I could keep the contact - but lost it.

Tvos

does garlic shrimp count?...

I think if one does go to bed with a full stomach it does take alot of energy for digestion which could hinder the projection.  That would be a great test to see if switching from being a meat eater to a vegetarian if results in projection would raise your higher consciousness and staying out longer. I've never done that and would be something to investigate.

has anyone tried this by switching from meats to veggies for quality projections?

tvos

Hello Frank,

Thanks for the reply and advice. I am friends with Major Tom and we go back along way. Back in the good ole days around 93 with Robert Bruce, irc, email digests when the internet  was primitive.

I read monroe in the late 80's when I started projection and his methods were interesting but never really caught my attention to practice. I enjoyed reading theosophy and Castaneda and kinda of went that route for awhile. I do need to re-read monroe's methods to get caught up on speed, but as a refresh I just recently purchased Bruce's book - Astral Dynamics.

I look forward to many conversations with you in the future.

Tvos

That would be interesting to see if its all possible. but I think if people knew how to do this there would be more proof and scarred people out there that would witness this.

I think a question like this would be good for Frank or Robert Bruce,,,

Any ideas?

Tvos

I don't think that I would want to face alligators as a true test of fear to overcome...

I would think the great ober's would at least want to contact someone here on earth and say all this research, study, methods are definitely real. Maybe to exercise methods that they taught and critique them to someone who projects from the physical. Even though we've projected zillions of times, there still lies that question what is it like when we die and how can we help the human race...

tvos

i posted to another form about this and someone said that fiber, wheat, or oatmeal was good for projecting.. also, its obvious that the more you eat before bed the more energy burns and tougher to project.

anyone test this theory?

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Friends,

Pioneers of Astral Projection, they Spent All Their Lives experimenting, proving, writing and teaching. They are now lost to the ages, but would you think they would find a way to communicate back to the physical world like through other astral projectioners?

Robert Monroe  
Sylvan Muldoon
Carlos Castaneda
C.W. Leadbeater
Scott Rogo
Helena P. Blavatsky  


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AP Friends,

Just recently I had six astral projections and in the last projection I had the opportunity to talk with this girl. I asked her name and she replied back and then asked me if I had any brothers or sisters. As I was getting ready to answer her I lost consciousness and returned back to my physical body.

I wish that I was able to communicate with her more and just get to know her and what she was about etc. The only thing that I did pickup before approaching her (Flying up to her). That it appeared to possible be amish, possible 20th Century clothing. Along with her was another girl and she didn't take too kind of me and left. They both were sitting on a wooden bridge with rope to hold balance and steps.

Has anyone here have had lengthy discussions with people, entities, angels, in the astral? Have you been ever able to verify upon return to the physical that they once existed here on earth.

Tvos