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... Binaural tapes work... Better than I thought. :p

Last night I gave Robert Monroe's Advanced Focus 10 tape a try for the fourth time.

"Blah blah blah... If you are not hearing my voice in your right ear, turn the headphones around now, so that you hear my voice in your right ear.. .. ......... Move to your energy conversion box, put all your worries blah blah...."


"Now, begin your resonant tuning.... *creepy sound of monks doing ohs and ahs for 10 minutes* Now, let's make the resonant energy balloon. Imagine energy coming out of the top of your head, going down around you and coming back up into your feet..... Whoosh, whoosh. Now, continue and make the energy swirl around you as it comes down.... Whoosh, whoosh."

*blank*

"NOW!"

*AAAHHHH!!! Oh... Right... I'm listening to the tape...*

"Now, feel no-one understand the power of your resonant energy balloon."

*L. O. L. I can definitely feel that, Bob*

"... let's bring you to focus 10. I'm going to count to 10, and you will progressively... blah blah"

"One"

*Okay... Let's get relaxed... I shouldn't be thinking now, just going with the flow...*

"Two"

*Damn, he's counting fast, how am I supposed to relax!?*

"Three"

*Hrmm okay I'll just play dead and see what happens...*

"Four"

*I'd better stop worrying about keeping up, I'm ruining the exercise*

"FIVE"

*FLASH* A big message in white letters suddenly appears in the darkness of my eyelids. It says: "Yup, that's right!"

*OH my god... How did this happen?*

"Six"

*I was completely conscious... I'm not even relaxed fully... Why did I get such a vivid picture now?*

"Seven"

*Well.. No way I'll make it to focus ten now... My heart's racing...*

"Eight"

"Nine -- longer pause"

*Man, why does he always have a longer pause before 10? Trying to make me believe I can bend time or something?"

"Ten. You are now in Focus 10..."

*No, I'm not... But it's okay, Bob, you're a tape, you're so lucky, you get to believe anything you want!*

--- Then he counts back down to 1, etc ---

"Now, I am going to count back up to 10, so that you may go into focus 10 a second time."

*Oh, cool, I thought I blew my chance at getting anything done this session*

"One"

*Okay, I'm just going to try and fall asleep here.*

"Two"

*...*

"Three"

*Hey, I just saw a spark... Oh wait, right... Must drift off to sleep...*

"Four"

*Flash*

Alex Trebek: "You folks ready to play the Wheel?"

Crowd: "Yeahhh!!!"

Alex Trebek: "Okay, Dan, it's your turn."

Dan: "Woooo!!!" *spin*

Ratakakatktaktak tak ... tak.

Alex Trebek: "900 dollars."

Dan: "An E!!!"

Alex Trebek: "There are two Es. Pick up that card now."

Dan: "I want to solve!"

Alex Trebek: "No, not yet, you need to spin the wheel again."

Dan: "Oh."

Ratakaktkaktkaktk tak... tak... tak.

Dan: "A...."


"FIVE!" *Electric shock*

* OW! Hey... You can't have numbers in a wheel of fortune puzzle... What is this? Wait... That's not even the same voice... Why was I in wheel of fortune??? I'm in the middle of a meditation exercise here!*


I want to emphasize on the fact that in the more-or-less 10 seconds between "four" and "five," I managed to cram 2 exciting minutes of quality wheel of fortune footage, somehow... And I have no idea why Alex Trebek was hosting it...

The rest of the tape was rather uneventful, I dwelved into trance a couple times when he was counting back the second time, but nothing major.


So I went to sleep, and started dreaming... It was an extremely vivid dream where a bunch of godzilla-sized bipedal wolves were shaking the school building, causing panic and destruction. This was followed by sleep paralysis and intense vibrations... I got up, snapped back to my body, got up, snapped back again, and lost consciousness.


What I find particularly interesting about Monroe's tapes is that systematically, no matter how stressed out or tired I am, listening to the tapes will bring on something during the night, whether it is a sleep paralysis episode, a lucid dream, or even a full fledged projection. I get to memorize a lot more than usual...

My first two projections happened one day after listening to his tapes for the first time... I don't know... There's just something mysterious about them... Like if they somehow tuned your mind and made it all possible! I no longer expect an exit during the tape, rather, I expect it in the few days directly following listening to it..

I find negs particularly interesting for the role they play in self-psychanalysis;

Facing them and making them go away is the best way to altogether eliminate irrational fears in your everyday life. Those self-created negs are usually born from "scars" in your consciousness, often from things you saw during childhood -- any kind of trauma, from seeing something weird on TV to catching your parents having sex to being in a car accident, etc... Those scars are referred to as crystallized energy or blockages, sometimes they can be observed as "core images" as Robert Bruce calls them, where a particular image in your memory is the manifestation of this trauma, and destroying the image destroys the fear.

A great way to deal with this stuff is to go into the OBE with courage -- no matter what happens, you will be strong and rational. Take every negative experience as a lesson rather than a deterrent... You are being shown your demons because you want to fight them, not collapse and chicken out of the experience.

One thing to remember is that if a genuine negative entity, an "evil demon," wants to possess you and make your life a living hell, it definitely won't be attacking while you're out of body, where you are at your strongest potential. When you're out of body or in deep trance, you are infinitely more "powerful psychically" than when you are fully awake and unaware. If I were an evil demon looking to suck some energy, I would steer away from people who can project their consciousness!

I agree that a lot of them seem like your run-of-the-mill dweller on the treshold hallucination... But there are also "positive" abductions... Rather than being abducted, the subjects are invited to come on the spaceship, and are taught about many things to help advance mankind. Robert Monroe and his explorers come to mind...

I also think that alien abductions are OBEs... BUT! How do we know that they're not genuine abductions irregardless? :p

PerversionsOfEvil, you have the correct attitude to all this ; it's very important not to discard any possibility... Because the moment you do, you shut down many of the possible things you could learn from the Astral.

But then again, indeed, do not let paranoia get the best of you. Speculation can be dangerous!

OBEs are paranormal events and will remain so until the "normality treshold" goes up a notch...

Yup, but what about the "lucid dreams" you've had -- how do you know they weren't genuine projections too?

No, not necessarily... The success rate is relatively low for this experiment, regardless of how good the people are at dream recall or projection... The difficulties do not lie in memory only, there is also the issue of targeting and reality deformations, whether the contacted person really is aware of what is going on, etc...

Eureka!

Pick any memory that is clear in your mind, and try to remember not what happened, but rather what you were thinking as it happened. It turns out that I don't record thoughts as things happen... I don't know if that's just the way my brain works or if it's for everyone, but it would seem that only outside perceptions are recorded, along with emotions, but the monkey chatter in my head is deleted as soon as I stop listening to it...

In other words... The way to a better dream memory is recording what happens in your head as you're thinking it.

It's all logical... These are the same thing at varying levels of intensity:

Thoughts -> Hypnagogics -> Dreams -> Vivid dreams -> Lucid experiences -> Fully aware experiences

What they have in common is that they're all so hard to remember! When you follow thoughts, you go into trance and enter the other side ; but how do you remember any of it if you can't even memorize those thoughts?

I think this is the missing piece in my personal puzzle

Several authors have theorized that whether you project inwards or outwards, you will always be projecting away from your centerpoint, which is physical consciousness. The "realms" or "dimensions" exist within you just like they exist outside of you. In other words, when you have a lucid dream, you project inwards, but this does not necessarily mean that you are shutting out the outside world and living in your own fantasy, you can access many things that are external to your consciousness.

A lucid dream is technically an out of body experience, and has all the same properties, except that you are not projecting an energy double into the world, rather, you are projecting within yourself without creating a double.

The problem lies in terminology and the people who keyed the terms... "Lucid dream" was keyed by scientists who do not believe that there is anything supernatural about dreams (probably because they did not research them that way), which then made people believe that dreams and lucid dreams are just hallucinatory experiences created by the brain. However, many, many accounts by people on these boards, other boards, in books, etc, have shown that there is much more to dreams than mere illusion.

If you've read the texts on phasing for example... Those are technically lucid dreams, yet they also happen to be powerful out of body experiences. Because there is a confusion on what is real and not real, adepts of phasing rarely call their experiences lucid dreams, simply because someone out there decided that a lucid dream was a "fake experience," which is in fact plain wrong...

They are different experiences, the induction process will tell you what happened, if you witnessed it:

1. You fall asleep.
2. Somewhere along the way, you wake up or become conscious, but in heavy trance.
3. Consciousness switches to the "second body."

4a. Imagination creates a landscape, a "clairvoyant screen" is created around you, like a bubble around your consciousness. This is a lucid dream. You are projecting inwards.
4b. You see your room clairvoyantly through your closed eyelids, you roll out of your body and find yourself in your room. This is a RTZ OBE, this "genuine experience" we all aim for and have read about numerous times in books.

It is possible to "revert" and switch between both states... You can destroy the dream landscape and attempt a RTZ projection, or your projectable double can snap back to your body and suddenly dwelve into a lucid dream.

Sometimes you may experience a mix of both -- things will appear around you while you are clairvoyantly seeing your room, like in terrorizing sleep paralysis experiences... Or you could be out of body in the RTZ and suddenly have lamps turn into dinosaurs for no reason at all...

So yes, they are extremely similar, and if you ever dream that you're flying around your room, there's no telling whether it was a dream where you reconstructed the landscape from memory, or whether you were "really there," just don't push it aside as a "mere dream" because it could be so much more!

So you guys have a built-in reality detector that allows you to tell whether an experience was a lucid dream or an OBE without making any validations upon waking?

You know, a lucid dream can feel as real as waking reality, and an OBE can be as muddy as a "regular" dream. What you should look for when you want to classify the experience is not how real it felt, but rather the whole induction process. If you distinctly felt the shift to the "second body" and then felt vibrations, then felt this sudden "rush" of energy or heard a roar, and then started floating up in your room and went through walls... Well, indeed I would call that a "real OBE" ; but it's not that anything else is not "genuine" -- it's just not possible to know what happened.

It's quite difficult to make out what exactly happened, but it does sound like a classical "neg-detachment" story from the way you describe it. Hopefully indeed, it's the end of these night terrors for you, and perhaps the beginning of new, more positive experiences.

From what I've read, it's not unusual for traumatic events to lead to "neg attachments" -- it is a good esoteric explanation for post traumatic stress. Fears and traumatism tend to manifest themselves in dreams as nightmares... Having nightmares seems to lead to the release of these fears -- or at least it has been my experience with fear of the dark ; I had lived with for over 20 years, and it simply went away one day, directly following a string of odd nightmares.

Negs are not necessarily "astral monsters" that want to sting and suck the life out of you, they can simply be "mental wounds" ; since this particular problem surfaced directly following the death of a loved one, it is quite possible that you "hurt yourself mentally" and finally ended up healing yourself through this event.

Do keep us updated in case you get new experiences!

My guess is that you probably woke up in the middle of the night, put the stuff on your desk, and went back to sleep. It's not that uncommon to wake up, move to get comfortable, and fall asleep again with no memory of waking up for that short moment. You went as far as your desk, but you were probably in that muddy, grumpy half-awake state.

I remember when I started writing down my dreams, I would keep a notebook and a pen in my bed... Quite a few times, I'd look at the notebook in the morning to find that I had written down a dream during the night, with absolutely no memory of doing so.

It gives you a good idea of how poorly memory is recorded when you're asleep or in a transient state -- the brain just doesn't want to make an effort to remember. That "experience" you had is a sign that you'll probably benefit a lot from setting alarms during the night -- it'll strengthen your intent to experience and remember what happens in the sleep state. See this thread: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/astral_projection_alarm_clock_method-t20697.0.html

When you completely empty the mind, you will not have the notion of time anymore... It's literally like skipping time, and therefore the only way to know for sure that you've done it is to look at a clock!

But anyway... Emptying the mind is of very little use for OBEs... In fact, we were not built to be idle like this... What you want to do is focus on one single thing for a long time. Some people focus on their breath or heartbeat, some count in their head... The trick is to stay focused on this one thing until it's the only thing that exists "in your world." Eventually, you'll let go of it and you'll be in trance, in "the void" ; a bit as if nothing at all existed... That is what trance meditation is.

But inducing an OBE does not truly require you to do this... What I do personally is I create a dream scenario, and pretend that I'm in another world. I concentrate on this scenario for as long as possible, and try to imagine it in real time. Just make up a story and imagine it unfolding... As you do this, the images will get stronger and stronger.

Don't be afraid to create complex things to focus on... If you try to concentrate on something that is repetitive and simple, most of the time you'll end up getting bored, or you'll focus out of it too fast and lose consciousness... This is one of the primary flaws in exit methods such as the rope technique or the various visualizations that involve a swaying or rotating motion... The more complex the scenario, the more room you'll give your mind to exert its creativity, it'll feel much more natural, and results will come faster.

At the beginning, I recommend setting alarms. If you fall asleep while thinking of a scenario, you'll almost invariably continue that scenario in your dream... But if you sleep for 8 hours right after that, you'll have many more dreams throughout, and the chances that you'll lose the dream or projection that resulted from your visualization are great. It is also useful to have a well rested mind when you attempt this, so ultimately an excellent time to try it -- and any projection method -- is a couple hours before the time you would normally wake up, after you've had at least 4 hours of sleep and still feel tired enough to go back for at least another two hours.

Good luck!

There's no definite consensus on what exactly the vibrations are, but they're not related to the "vibrational rate" we refer to when we talk about higher realms or higher entities... They could simply be like "white noise," like filler when you suddenly don't have a physical body with nerves anymore -- I find them extremely similar to the sensation you get when you sleep in a bad position and your blood circulation is cut off. They could also be an energetic reaction as Robert Bruce claims, since it seems that the creation of a projectable double requires a lot of energy to move around..

Even "regular" dreams are not necessarily all in the mind... But you asked the one million dollar question... You'll never really know what is truth and what is illusion until you reach a level where you are confident about your objectivity...

Observing the physical plane from the astral is tricky... The RTZ is an ideal level where you are almost perfectly objective and can observe things as they are without reality fluctuations... There is some truth to what Mydral is saying, it's not uncommon to see -nobody- physical or non-physical... When you go out on the street, you might see people, but how do you know that they're not just born from memories you have of people walking in the city? When you visit someone who's sleeping, you might see their physical body asleep with a non-physical body hovering a few inches above it... Though I've seen many accounts of weird quirks happening where the sleeping person will not be there, or the person will be standing up talking nonsense to the projector...

It's already hard enough to keep the inanimate environment stable, when you're faced with something that is alive, the mind just goes haywire and really weird things happen...

Then again, I've also seen accounts of people traveling, witnessing events or conversations and having successful validations -- Monroe would be the prime example...

Well, it could change to another dream, or the person would go unconscious, and the last memory they'll have when they wake up will be that of going to bed in the dream...

I mean, it's a dream, anything could happen...!

I've read accounts of "reliable sources" clairvoyantly observing the chakras (Charles W. Leadbeater, Robert Bruce), so I do believe they exist... But I have not yet experienced anything that would prove their existence...

I can't really provide an interesting answer, but I am working hard towards developing a clairvoyant ability... Hopefully one of these (days/months/years), I will be able to see the world in all its splendor and draw everything I see... Until then, all I can do is read :p

I have a quick question before i forget. What about if you went to sleep and you was dreaming, and you was dreaming of yourself sleeping. Then that person was dreaming. What would he or she be dreaming about? Samething goes with Astral.

The person would be dreaming about himself sleeping? I'm not sure I get the question...

Also i was wondering if deja vu could maybe be well yes a dream, but what if you had a vision of yourself in another universe (Parallel Universe) that did other things. Could that be what deja vu really is? Dreams or Visions from your other Parallel Universe(s). When you have dreams could them dreams be "YOU" living or seeing the Parallel Universe(s) that you are a part of? In your dreams when you have a deja vu when you dream the people and things happening are replaced by other things or faces that are not the same as your deja vu or experience that you had in the "physical world" or "reality" as you see it. Could that be why you forget the 10-15 dreams a night you really have because you never existed in only the ones that you are a part of the Parallel Universe(s).

I dont know them are just questions that i HAD to put down b4 i forget them. This is kinda hard to grasp, but with a little thinking outside the box you will see it.

Well... I personally think that parallel universes don't really exist... They make sense to the human mind because they explain how several scenarios can happen within the same timeframe... What I think is that every possibility exists forever, and every finality exists forever... However, we live in a world that is "final," meaning only one possibility is available to us. I do also think that it is possible to transcend time and modify the past... Precognitive dreams and deja vu would probably be the most obvious manifestation of this, but there's no way to tell for sure...

As to why you forget 10-15 dreams a night... It's simple... December 27, 2006 -- write down everything you did that day from the moment you woke up to the moment you went to bed, include every conversation, every TV program you watched, everything you read. Nobody ever remembers everything that happens, our memory is selective. The exact same thing happens with dreams. Unless you wake up right after it and write it down, you'll probably lose it... Forget about parallel universes -- it's just how our brains work :p

Yes... Look up "TRV" or "Technical Remote Viewing" -- these are commercial, expensive remote viewing courses based on ex-military personnel's experiences... It does not involve OBEs though, there's no seeing or visiting involved. Instead, a person concentrates on a question, a target, and receives non-verbal "keywords" in response. These are techniques from over 50 years ago... One can only imagine how advanced "psychic spies" are today...

Well, how do you know that you don't end up in a belief system new bedroom?

I think this kind of mental block can also happen in the RTZ -- if we didn't have a small degree of "earth illusion," wouldn't the earth simply shoot out of the horizon, leaving you all alone in the middle of space? (Or maybe the earth is the center of the universe, who knows :p)

In order to have a successful projection, we need to simulate physical memory, sight, hearing, touch, etc... With these invariably come the laws of physics we are most used to... And that's where we start to stray away from the RTZ and populate the landscape with doubt...

It's pretty natural to have this problem, in the end... Doubt and fear materialize so easily in the astral -- I still ask myself, sometimes, "what if it's all in the head and the people who claim to have had paranormal OBEs with validation simply lied to seem more interesting?"

The first thing we tend to do is check whether we're out of body... But we're not able to reason like in physical reality... We'll make some checks, like "can I fly?" "can I see my physical body?" "can I go through walls?" and doubt just smacks us in the face every time, until we're convinced that we're in the physical!

About whether it's possible for others to enter your body, the answer is no ; you are about as safe when out of body as you are when awake... Usually a negative entity will only be able to attach itself to your consciousness rather than replace it, the symptoms of a "possession" are limited to sudden mood swings or bursts of schizophrenia... You won't ever be stuck out of body while someone else is walking around using it. The astral is not risk free, but problems are extremely rare.

As for the accident... I'm not sure... There's just not that much hard data on what makes it possible for a person to project their consciousness. If it were up to me, I'd say anyone who can fall asleep can have an OBE...

One thing to consider is the emotional impact the accident had on you... For example, knowing that you had precognitive dreams prior, maybe you were "turned off" by the fact that you were not warned in your dreams that the accident would occur?

Also, how bad were the effects of the accident on your life? Did it create a lot of long-lasting stress? Does it constantly preoccupy you? Has your overall character changed a lot? One important part of projection is calming the mind, detaching yourself from all physical worries and problems, and focusing within. In periods of high stress, it's not uncommon even for experienced projectors to have a lot of trouble leaving the body. Good advice would be: Fix up your physical life before you think about your non-physical one ; you have all eternity to worry about the latter, after all!

Question: where is the hole in your skull located? There's still no definite consensus on what exactly enables us to project, as I said before, but two things could have resulted from the injury: First, maybe you did get brain damage creating some kind of hormone imbalance... Second, it could be energy related. Supposedly, injuries can create energy blockages which need to be worked on... For this, check out Robert Bruce's New Energy Ways tutorial: http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=95 ; you can use the techniques to "repair" yourself.

And don't give up -- don't get discouraged if you don't get results... It could take 3 days to get the experiences back, or it could take years... You will be rewarded by your patience!

Yes, yes, and yes ... But take your time... Leaving the body is one thing, mastering projection is another..

Well, there's no real difference between "sleep" and "astral sleep" as you call them... The problem is with the way we've been taught how to sleep... As soon as you put mental importance into your dreams, you will remember them better. We actually wake up every 90 minutes or so during the night -- if you put enough intention into it, you'll detect these moments and will remember dreams. If you don't, you'll wake up and remember just one dream at the most, when you should have had between 5 and 10 over the course of 8 hours... Most people typically lose consciousness when they go to sleep, and that's where the problem lies.

An OBE is a special kind of dream where you impose a behavior on your subconscious mind -- this causes you to bring your everyday waking mind into the sleep state, where you'll be given control. Indeed, even if you remember 10% of your dreams, your chances of remembering an OBE are extremely slim, that's why people attempt to consciously induce them and wake up right at the end of the experience.

Sleeping itself is a "paranormal" skill, it's an extremely powerful altered state! What you want to do is bring control to it. There's nothing "magical" about OBEs, they are something that is second nature to us. The recipe is simple: learn the "proper" way to sleep. Instead of lying down and waiting for your energy to burn out, make yourself go to sleep, forget about all your worries, forget about your physical body, and see what happens. It's really all about observing yourself and creating circumstances where you will be conscious, but asleep, and in control of a non-physical body.