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quote:Originally posted by Nita

Hello Mick
  You misunderstood me. You also do not know much about me if you think I have ever advocated abuse or any kind of suffering.

This topic started with anecdotal reports of shall we say presumed inappropriate behaviour by those in trust and/or positions of authority. There are some here who find such behaviour unacceptable and it is one of the reasons I presume for this forum.
In some forums there is a frequent ideological response that being the recipient of negative acts is valuable because it contributes to the learning experience and by tacit acceptance legitimises the negative activities as part of that process. My comment states that I do not agree with such learning methods, also I do not believe this ideology sits well with some recipients of such behaviour hence the discussion.

I think it is easy to get at cross purposes with this area of discussion. Life presents all sorts of stuff resulting from the ambiguity of multiple decisions spread across the populations, generally we deal with it and move on. However should there be one or more people who are actively involved in the exploitation or abuse of others often using the advantage of different knowledge, skills or access to such. Where to go from there, the ideology of cause and effect can seem very one sided in such situations.

In this context you said  

quote:You are ignoring a great moment of insight by not feeling a lesson is to be learnt.

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quote:Most people that are attacked or the attackers are people who have not learned how to live magically.

Not keen on the enforced learning by something that does not have my interest at heart and not keen on those not magically attuned being targets for those who should know better.

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People do have to learn. They do have lessons. They have to give up the things that trap them into the negative cycles and they have to work upon themselves. They may not have caused themselves to be where they are at but they have the choice on whether or not to stay there.

I think that people have a choice as to whether to learn and the choice as to how they learn, I am of course pro learning The question as to whether someone 'stays there' is complex, some may be totally unaware of the negative nature if present and how to manage it. If aware, they may not know the appropriate responses that will work for them so they come to places like this and again there is also the perps motives in the equation.

The text about new age thinking and associations paints a lurid picture. I think those statements while being true for some are not globally true for all. I assume that people coming here to this forum are smart enough to want to try and cut the situation loose

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  Now before everyone gets mad at me because I am saying something unpopular. I am sorry for you if it hurts your feelings. It is a fact that some people are not patient with others and want to be mean because they want to have their world go the way they want it to go. The New Age healers do not want to admit that they just can not cure some things. Some things have to be done by the person themselves. They use control such as in the churches mentioned to make it so everyone agrees with them. It makes them feel better.

Enjoying every moment of life good or bad is something that breaks you loose from the cycle of complaint and negatvity that goes on in this world. Those things make your life come alive. I hope everyone takes a moment or two to think about this instead of becoming upset.

Don't know where the unpopular and upset bit comes from, as you say people behave badly with their meaness and control based activity and this is where the topic started

It is my experience that not everyone is in a cycle of complaint, there are groups of people that due to their associations do experience higher degrees of depression then the general populations. New Agers are in this higher grouping and do suffer higher than average suicide rates. The ideology does contain a degree of negative thinking especially WRT the rest of the world. Maybe this is where the cycle of complaint mentioned above pervades the ideology.

quote:I have been under psychic attack constantly because of helping others. Control over you mind is number one. The next thing is to learn ways to protect yourself that do not involve anger or negative emotions that they can play with or use to harm you.

Admiration for this activity, we also have acquired this type of baggage for the same reason. Opposing the perps in any form often results in this activity whereas acquiesing tones down the response but that is another story.

quote:Originally posted by Nita

Hello Mick
  You are ignoring a great moment of insight by not feeling a lesson is to be learnt.You may consider it a catch all but if you don't learn then how are you living? Do you ever do anything new or fun? You learn lessons every moment of life by living it. You have to admit you are accepting abuse to decide what to do about it. You have to know the difference between bad and good to decide whether you should do something or not.
  It is cause and effect and is a part of this world in every way. You have to understand that there is an opposite emotion and action for everything that is done. You have to consciously choose the decisions that lead you in the way you want to go. You had to learn a lesson on how to do this to know it must be done.

I think you have missed my point!
We all have the potential to learn from lifes experiences good or bad. But when the so called spiritually inclined underwrite abusive behavior by people or entities as a method to promote/teach spiritual truths then I have my considered opinion about such beliefs. This practise also assumes that people who find themselves being attacked were not living their lives to the full prior to this point which for some is put on hold.

There is much said about 'cause and effect' which obviously has a place in both the physical and non-physical worlds but again it has become a catch all to promote and manage thinking processes. My advice is first observe extensively and then see if and how the observations fit the various promoted metaphors.

Contrary to your analysis of me, learning and teaching has been a life long process as it is for many people, I do not resort to abuse of others during such a process. If you believe that teaching methods involving abuse is a valid way to way to go then you are of course entitled to your opinions as we all are. I understand schools for the most part gave up such methods some time ago.

quote:Most people that are attacked or the attackers are people who have not learned how to live magically. They do not understand that you can't do certain things without repercussions. They have to realize that they can do things to ease their suffering. They have to learn these things to do so it is another lesson in life. They are all psychic.

Ah, that suffering word again

quote:Originally posted by Xelios

My last teacher said I should have nailed that spiritualist reverend with white light and symbols of banishing.

There are a lots of things that need nailing to a wall as a starting point Not enough time to get to them all

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It doesn't matter where the swastika came from. The nazis hatred corrupted that symbol,so it is about as wise to use it as it would be to use an upside down cross.

I think that in principle it does matter, the symbol at one time was associated with good acts. To let it be highjacked for all time denies it's original value. Although in this case it would be somewhat of an uphill struggle. It is like say White Supremacist groups who highjack the national flag, people need to grab it back.

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I have heard of churches where the reverend would drain the energy from the flock. That is what those t.v evangelists would do.

When I was at one spiritualist church the "reverend" at that place tried to control me,and it felt like somebody was trying to place a dog collar around my neck. She failed though.

I mentioned recently the loop technique, if you get sight of this again, try visuallising along the connection in order to view the perp and their actions. Can be interesting in an informative way, then you can stomp on them

CriminalMind.

quote:I can understand now after reading some of the passages in the bible. One passage says if your neighbor slaps you on the side of the face then turn the other cheek and let him slap you on that side. It's what they call humility. This also tells you to let yourself be abused by others. In other words let you be attacked.

This just seems to have been ingrained into some cultures and is exploited by all and sundry One wonders the motives of those that introduced such thinking. I particularly hate those that claim there is a lesson to be learn't and that failing to do so is denying some spiritual growth opportunity. Abuse is abuse!

quote:Originally posted by Xelios


I have never been to a spiritualist church where I felt safe. Actually during most meditation circles I attended at spiritualist churches I saw numerous entities made of black energy who easily passed through the circle. Dangerous places to go to for any type of training.

Nowadays I would agree with that sentiment
Also many other places used for worship and gatherings, a priest friend tells me that many of the services such as Mass have as a component the building of a spiritual conterpart of the alter by drawing from the congregation. He tells me that this is a noble 'sacrifice' by the congregation and that the energy is then used for Gods work. I do ponder this logic because if God is omni present etc then it is taking from God to give to God I think
I do think that some churches have an unsavoury feel and this may be due to the above. It is perhaps an easy source of energy. As with your example people gathering together do bind their energy (I have seen some dowsing experiments suggesting this) and again could the become a useful source for those wanting to feed.

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One spiritualist reverend told me to use a swastika as a sign for my guides. A symbol to call my guides to me. I don't know where that symbol originally came from,but I do know that the nazis corrupted it to the point where it would be foolhardy to use it for any occult work.  Why not a rose or a dove or a silver shield with a symbol on it. She specifically told me to use a swastika. Of course I was not foolish enough to do that.

Madam Blavatsky (SP?), a person who went to Tibet and came back to form the Theosophical society I think. The story goes that she brought the symbol back with her. The Nazis picked up on her stuff and fitted it to there version of Aryan history.
The symbol was used quite extensively prior to the Nazis contribution to madness, obviously subsequently fell in disrepute.

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Then she also told me my guides would put me into trance while I drove home,and that if I let them do so I would find myself in the spirit world.

This would be after you hit the tree [:I]

I reread my earlir message and see that my comment about Karma may be misleading. I also have doubts about its validity, seems to me that such a process would be a never ending cycle.

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight

Mick,

Don't make assumptions and don't push me in a direction I don't belong...I haven't told you everything for a reason.

Didn't think I was, simply outlining some history and inputs that I have.

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As you would say, keep it open ended.

This is not a disincarnate being, and not just some New Age Psy Vamp off the street...if Tayesin is right, and I need to find that out for myself.

That is what I said anyway we can leave it at that.

quote:Originally posted by Xelios

The first place on my hit list is.

1. Spiritualist Churches,websites or chatrooms.
There are two types of people who go to spiritualist churches. Those who control and those who are controlled. The leaders of any spiritualist church I went to used psychic abililities to gain control and mastery over their students. The leaders of spiritualist churches will only teach you their meager amount of knowledge if they know for certain that they can control you on every level.

I spent time in a spiritualist setup when I first started quite a few years ago. I believe that there are good people who do devote their time to their fellow humans by doing healing etc. But as you say there are the control freaks and many who attend have given up their ability to run their own lifes and put themselves in the hands of 'readings' etc. This is one of the reasons I left due to people turning up every week wanting to be told how to life their life for the coming week.
At that time I also found it an incredibly restrictive philosophy where any sign of ablities outside their sphere were stamped on. Someone I know who recently tried Spiritualism also found it much the same in his opinion so maybe not much change to my opinion.
I also noted some dark stuff around such gatherings and also a few other places. I think that there is a degree of blind faith re. protection and it is not always sufficient and of course anyone can walk in to the meetings with whatever baggage that they have.
I recall one person who considered themselves a leader of men telling how when their guide turned up they would draw energy from his stomach area and he thought this was good. Discussions as to why so called beings of light might need to do this were discouraged [}:)]

quote:Quite a few years ago I met a person who also thought karma did not exist. I can't remember exactly how he said it.
Once during a meditation I got a strong insite along those lines about karma.

I find it difficult to take this one on, another guilt trip for us humans. One idea that I have come across for reincarnation type memories is that entities which have experience from the past will pass these memories on to the physical person thus giving them such  memories.

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight

Tay came anyway and saw the dark haired man. If Tay is right (and I need to decide this for myself), this guy is a living being, not someone I have ever known or met personally. Why he's doing it is unbelievable to me.

This might seem a little curt but this is the situation that I described (as did others in the topics) to you following yours PMs to me back in September and why I have suggested that there is a need to become aware of and then check out your personal space and then to proceed to manage it.

In these types of burdensome activities often it is happening within a few feet of oneself not out in the wide universe hence this is where the attention needs to be.

Below is some of my text from then re. the nature of the perps, I have not included your text as that was received via a PM.
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In our experience very few connections are made by direct physical contact, these things cast around in an astral state until they find potential candidates when they then go to work.
Often the negs are discarnate entities but we think that they often work by attaching themselves to one human while working on another. this gives an impression that they are physical in nature. Of course sometimes they are physical wih sufficient skills and ego to get involved in such things.
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I read RBs text on Basic Psychic Countermeasures last weekend and in my humble opinion recommend this as a starting point to identifying and cleaning up your space. Others can obviously assist but in the long run it is often the victim themselves that plays a significant role in fixing things.
The main purpose of this message is to suggest where the focus should be WRT addressing the problem. While such realisations such as you are having do hit the psyche hard it also allows a perspective to be developed and a strategy to be applied. A single minded focus also helps those that might be assisting because the mindset has a degree of coherence which helps.

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

Indiana Jones on the other hand did find it. Unfortunately it was swallowed up by the earth in an earthquake soon after the discovery.

Wasn't that the Ark of the Covenant [?]

There is a Discovery Channel programme which tracks some of the contenders down. They range from a simple wooden cup to quite complex designs but ISTR the programme closes with an open verdict.

quote:Originally posted by Xelios

CIA. They are not only using remote viewing,but they are trying to develop psychic techniques for assasination purposes.

Sometimes referred to as remote influencing. brings to mind an acount where a Russian agent being held by South African authorities was not responding to questioning. The story goes that the people at fort Mead were asked to involve themselves and they set about reducing the agents resolve by introducing family images and feelings of absence along with the thoughts that they might not be seen again. Apparently did the trick.

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It is quite easy really to hurt another human using certain techniques,but spirit guides and angels hand out punishment to those who do so.

Yes, I think we see many accounts of this hereabouts. I have seen responses from discarnate beings against some of the perps, intriguing to watch them going about the business in a simple dispassionate way. But many others just seem to carry on without hindrance, I have theories for this but they are just that.

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Trance channeling is something to stay away from unless you can fully trust one single spirit to enter your body and leave.

Other beings and dimensions do exist. Again it's very hard for most humans to understand this. They are not some kind of archetpye created by your mind.

I have done trance in the past for physical stuff but would not do it now, as you say opening the door to whatever even if the one coming is known, another may be lurking in the wings.

Don't think that existance of other beings etc is in dispute. However I do think that some if not all entities/architypes are the result of human activity. People talk of organisations having a spirit, houses and so on. Many magic processes deliberately set about creating forms with varying degrees of sentience, over time these can become more independant especially if they can get others to worship them in some way.

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Sometimes beings will appear to you so you can understand them. If you saw their true forms you might not comprehend what you were seeing. You might not be able to see them at all.

Agreed, all these interpretation processes might be valid depending on the situations, it is a case of keeping this in mind when analysing it. Sometimes we must take on a 'belief' simply so there is a platform from which to operate, however reviewing beliefs is no bad thing especially as experiences grow and new data becomes available.
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quote:Originally posted by RJA


If scientists were to somehow prove the reality of astral projection tomorrow, you'd have a ton of people learning to AP within the year.

One event that interested me and then disapointed was the annoucements/revelations of the use of remote viewing by intelligence agencies. There was a surge of interest at the time but as you say people in general were already 'busy' so found little time for such.
A few established companies for the purpose of exploitation but the general public walked on by. I am not convinced that only science filters the paranormal options. Some of the objections that impacted funding for remote viewing were the religious beliefs of the politicians concerned with monitorring intelligence activities.

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I take more of a psychological approach. When in altered states of consciousness we can connect with bizarre things - but I believe that our psyches create the constructs - i.e. is it an angel, an alien or a fairy...and was it a space ship, or a building, or an underground cave, etc. To objectively state that these things are literally true and apply objectively to everyone is ridiculous. Also, I believe that other things - like this alien interveiw - could be either pure fiction, or the product of psychological delusion on the part of one individual. I wouldn't believe it if my Mom told it to me so I certainly won't believe some anonymous "alien interview" pulled off an alien-themed web site.

I agree, trying to apply a literal interpretation of stuff that might be outside of our normal perceptions and then trying to map these into a common scheme or 'unified' theory can be a short cut to the jacket with cord fastenings. Some of the channelings have interest in that there is a structure in the content but we need to keep an eye on beings who promise gifts but are poor with the delivery. These channelings are not new, they are just new to some people some of the time. Some people I know have investigated some aspects, in particular the Council of Nine based channelings and they believe they have identified some people involved in the scheme. They have published a book with their findings, must look up the title.

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin

The staff and the spear are good weapons for fighting because of their range. However, the key to winning a battle is your imagination and intuition.

Myself, I have a fondness for the thermic lance []

A refresh later on and all OK.

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin

Nothing this individual claims to have heard from these beings who probably don't exist is congruent with reality. I never got to the part about psychic ability but I have not sensed anything under the ground. Ever.

There is stuff there just as there is stuff above ground. Dowsers for example can detect stuff (water and energy lines type stuff) although some say that it is a different sensing reliant of visual clues. You will no doubt start to detect neg activity WRT energy and material storage which can appear to be underground. Shared space and all that stuff I suppose

quote:Originally posted by Xelios

During a ritual with my former teacher, I saw the ground open up between us,but I do not believe the beings I saw live underground. What I likely saw was a portal to their dimension. The ground kind of swirled and then I saw some other beings.

I think that is a good observation, when one has been able to stand back and hold that input/experience without the need to rush into some mapping of it into ones current world view then the input remains available and clean for future use when other input may be available to build a more accurate picture. They may never map in due to different natures of such stuff.

Those that do shoe horn such things prematurely often become just a collection of disparate statements of little use other than to obfuscate the rest of the human race []

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight

Thank you, Mick, you just pinpointed exactly what was bothering me.

Radioactive material decays, and in the decaying process, becomes other elemental isotopes. That's what was bothering me. I need my physics book, my periodic table, and to re-read that article just one more time to be sure. The type of material alledgedly used, the amount, and the half life of the material would tell if Iridium would be found there today,...I don't think it would.

A further thought or two. The claim is that Iridium was only (I think) introduced to Earth following a nuclear fusion event (something we dumb humans with our slow evolutionary processes have not as yet mastered [)] ) Other meteorite impact sites show evidence of Iridium so their Nuclear bit is not the only method of introduction. If there is a Meteorite impact site which predates the Yucatan site date then they are definately spinning a yarn. My money is on such a site having been identified [?]

How come we got the surface and they were consigned to the bowels of the Earth I must have missed that bit in the text.

quote:Originally posted by CRIMINALMIND63

I would believe that H is the one and only true element and that everything else is built upon from free electron and protons. Neutron

Not really my expertise but I think this is the process. Stars start life as hydrogen based, the nuclear processes slowly convert the matter to the other elements. When it gets to Iron the process falters and it goes supernova whereupon the remaining elements are created. Therefore many stars had to go supernova before the required elements would be available for Earth like planets and life as we know it.

quote:Originally posted by CRIMINALMIND63

since there was a threat on the devil.

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quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight

OK, I finally read it and couldn't finish it...

Let's start out with the "It's a fake" possiblity. I didn't read anything in there that a scientist couldn't come up with as a good sci-fi story. I think I've seen several sci-fi serials with the "Nukes killed the dinosaurs" story and that's why there's iridium (something there strikes me as off, damn, I need to find my Chemistry, Physics and AstroChemistry texts).

I should check this myself before typing but. Is not Iridium an element found in some meteorites, the evidence for the big one that is believed to have done for the Dinosaurs can be established by checking the Iridium traces deposited. The samples need to be taken from the countries/continents relevant to where they were located when it hit. This has been done and the results are as predicted for such an event at such a time. I think it was Strontium 90 that was introduced to the Earth by nuclear detonation and that occured much more recently.

The Iridium mobile phone satellites do produce very bright flashes on occasion and have been the cause of many UFO reports.
See http://www.heavens-above.com/ for predictions for where you live

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Now let's consider if this is true...if this true, and this person sat down with and interviewed an actual entity, this sounds like the same Neg crap I've heard over and over, sometimes by the very creeps giving me trouble. I am not impressed by the "We're superior to everyone and everything in creation because we're older and you're so primitive" attitude (Primitive does not mean stupid.

I think one of the modern sources for the belief that the Earth is hollow and full of depressing beings is that early weather satellites did not bother to process the image data for the poles due the then thoughts that the poles did not affect weather. These gaps in the images fuelled the idea that these were entry points to the subteranian (SP?) world. Some claimed to have pictures of craft entering and leaving, now that this thinking is in the common consciousness and we continue to be burdened by it in the shape of channellings.
I do try to stand back and see where such claims stand in the greater scheme of things and I have yet to see evidence of one real useful piece of information coming from this stuff. What I do see is further obfuscation of the humans living on the edge of this stuff. Lots of promises and blame plus other stuff which I think tends to undermine rather than strengthen the Human condition.

I am not saying that stuff does not happen underground in the sense that matter appears to be transparent for many psychic operations and activities. For one we have good old Ley lines and many other energy lines.
As Crim mentioned she has viewed a large warehouse in I think an underground context. I have also seen similar with apparently somewhat grim activities being performed.

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Just one word of caution (note this is coming from a person who has been demonically possesed/attached for 5.5 years now). I'm always cautious of any entity that uses our open mindedness to their advantage. This is how my Negs broke my boundaries. They say things like, "Well we're doing "x", but it really isn't a bad thing to do "x" because you do something similiar and it isn't bad to do. We're doing the same thing just in a different way.

Relative moralism, we used to get that and unfortunately by association were guilty of supporting it. When we started taking our own view rather than what we were being shown we moved on (not without some effort to this day ).

quote:Originally posted by Xelios

I do not and have not followed any religion for a very long time, but this is my explanation of the afterlife. If you  believe strongly enough that you will go to a christian hell then that is what you will create for yourself,and the same is true about heaven. Some spirits create something they were comfortable with in the physical world,so they create a house they had when they were in a physical body. How do I know this you might wonder. I gained this knowledge from communicating with true angelic beings and true guides.

I too have sympathy for this model. Another extension to this is that sufficient humans have to belief in the afterlife (insert version) idea for it to continue to exist and be energised. Another thought is that due to the waning of religious belief in some cultures alternative beliefs need to be introduced a la ETs.

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight


Have you ever heard of an HNMR? Or Proton NMR?

I'm a chemist remember. A NMR is an instrument that measures the number of Hydrogen Atoms (Protons) in a given compound. I haven't played with one since college so give me some time here, I have to find my textbook. NMR's, if I remember correctly (PLEASE God save me from making a complete fool of myself) NMR's meansure Hydrogen Atoms by affecting their spin...I think?

If I recall correctly the mechanism includes polarising the hydrogen atom electron spin (and probably all other atoms), this is usually done using a superconducting magnet. Then the hydrogen atoms are located by causing the spin to revert to the normal state using RF signals, the energy release is detected and processed to build the big picture. This is bit of an overview as no doubt there are more subtle events occuring and is now no doubt historical. MR has moved on a long way from when I was involved with medical equipment development.

quote:Originally posted by MJ-12


I'm lying in bed on my side, when suddenly, I realize that I'm paralzed. No big deal, I thought, but there was a presence in my mind. I saw the "eyes" of a grey alien and the presence told me that if in my bed I should look into its eyes, then I would be giving it permission to "take" me with it. In hindsight, it didn't seem like it wanted to panic me, and it was respectful of my free will (although, I was also ready and very capable of enforcing it)

For info.
The paralysis thing gets discussed a lot at ASP, the Awareness during Sleep Paralysis list. If interested see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASP-L/

quote:Originally posted by The Sapphrite



To Mick: I have been working intensely to try and figure out the cause and solution to my chakra blocks. The blocks I have are not bad for the most part, except for one in my sexual chakra. The reason it is so bad is I was a rape victim at a young age, and the chakra has been imbalanced ever since. Well, I first tried to remember exacly what happened, to feel out the problem, and that helped a little. What helped even more is that I psychically connected to the person that did it to me and I psy-attacked them. I know it sounds like revenge, but while it was happeneing I felt part of the block open up. So, now I think I know exacltly what to do to get rid of it completely. It basically consists of psychically attacking my own chakra until the energy opens up.

Interesting! I have had situations where I have picked up on objects (for linking etc) having been placed in my space. Having isolated the signature and tracked it out to a source, then set about removing it. It is interesting that as the source is removed so the object in my space disintegrates at the same time. First time this happened it created a bit of a surprise in that it appears that one is attacking oneself More used to the experience now, what the mechanics might be presents some interesting thought exercises.
I ISTR that someone else posted something similar in the last week or so on this forum.

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight

(RB says he doesn't buy into the idea that entities from several points in my past (lives) could be after me, he strongly believes it's one nasty cretin shapeshifting and doing impersonations. Like Crim's attacker impersonating a woman's voice. Fine by me, I wasn't sure what to make of the original information, that's why I came to the Pulse, for a serious reality check).

I placed a message in a topic two or three weeks ago to this effect where the point was suggested to me that maybe only astral entities attack humans while ETs don't. Shapeshifting does seem endemic so what is what?

A few years ago during a fairly intense time for myself and some others I observed a form moving towards a group of people holding a seance type activity. As it approached it took on a North American Indian appearance (very popular in UK spiritualist circles) and the group reacted by recognising a 'friend'. This made us very much more cautious about whom we would accept input from and became very much more reliant upon our own methods of information gathering such as projection and viewing. My early days of psychic activities included Psychometry practise (also known as object memory). This ability tagged to a projection can be quite useful for determining background stuff to use as a complement to what is being viewed.

As for the ETs, listened for a while then became disapointed by their lack of real delivery. Still a little intrigued but life is too short waiting for them to save us or is it invade us

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However, I'm still in "might be" stage and will not go to "definitely" stage until I get a little more information.

I think that there is always that element in this arena. Even when a picture is developed, it needs to stay flexible in order to accomodate subsequent understanding/developments.

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Some of the things Tayesin described are startling similar (Whoever my entity is, I've gotten threats of "You're dangerous, you're never waking up, you're going down.") Does that mean he's impersonating the greys too. I haven't ruled it out, but it doesn't make sense (just not willing to go into that part yet, just seeing two opposite ends of a poll).

Threats I think can be part of the suppresion angle, they contribute to keeping people bottled up, nervous and apprehensive which is conducive to poor defence and loss of energy and material.
When we hear such comments we laugh as that iritates the entities most

quote:Originally posted by The Sapphrite

Well about chakras, the spin can be reversed and it is very dangerous. It will cause you a lot of problems, depending on what chakra it is. Sometimes you can get problems like insomnia, panic attacks, insanity, etc.  Usuually the cause of this is either psychic trauma from a negative attack, energy repression, or just being exposed to negative energy on a daily basis.  If your chakra is spinning incorrectly, or not at all, you can fix it either by feeling your chakra spin and physically make it spin in the right direction. You can visualize the chakra spinning, or try to feel the actual chakra.

Did you fix your problems at http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7750 ?
I would be interested in hearing what the cause and solution is.

I have been involved in this sort of stuff in the past and it has been effective but there are caveats. Not all such situations are simple one on one and I note that you plan to scope out the situation fully first which is obviously wise. I think that my few posts here suggest that using personal awareness comes first not just lashing out. I have come across a number of battling egos over time.

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin


Why do people think it is wrong to fight negs? We aren't just going out and picking fights with them, we're defending ourselves from them and stopping them from attacking others. It's like seeing a mugger on a street assaulting someone. What are you going to do? Are you going to let the person be victimized or are you going to risk your own well-being to help them fight back? I for one am willing to risk my well-being for the well-being of others. Because I know that I would like someone to do the same for me if I were being attacked.

I think a little proactive defence is ideal, the turn the other cheek stuff has prevailed for too long and look where we are A priest that I know with whom i have attended exorcisms says much the same. I don't believe that attacking a neg makes them more powerful unless the energy is simply handed over which can be the case if just tossed at the neg.

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I've been working with Criminalmind to help her fight her attacker. If he's so powerful then he would've attacked me by now. I've managed to affect him, to some degree and now he takes me seriously. He knows that he has only to stop attacking others and I'll leave him alone. I've given him that choice.

I think that often the neg simply has advantage over the victim rather than power. It has been able to establish links often over time and it looks like surprisingly little effort is required to exploit these.

Back to the caveat, as you have probably noted, not all such situations are simply one on one, the attacks may be by minions simply present at the will of a motivating entity. Dealing with the current minion (neg) simply makes space for the next to pop in. These minions may be entities only too pleased to have a role along with the food source it provides, they may be servitor type creations etc etc. Othertimes thought forms with the appearance of the perp but without the risks.

The underlying question is why some people appear to be targets for such attacks, the stated solutions are legion but one of my favourite is that some people are by these attacks suppressed at many levels. Why this should be required opens up another raft of conspiracy theories which could fill it's own forum
Another alternate is that this is one of those occasions when some major stuff is happening and what is being percieved in our space is a side effect. It goes on and on
We all hear suggestions frequently as to what is happening but often when put together they are in conflict which brings me to the new Forum request by Dark.

A beyond the established structures investigations including the review and correlation of the observations and suggested interpretations/solutions. The established structures such as Chakras are likely to help in some instances but there are negs that are not constrained to these structures and thinking out of the box is needed to evaluate in these cases.
Also there are times when I think that the actual events that we attempt to translate into physical terms are really quite removed from those terms so keeping fluid is important

Unpleasantness aside, a very interesting and detailed account. Lots to examine and try to place in the context of our environs.

quote:Originally posted by C.A.C.

Hi there,

My link with the healer(and I use the word ironically) has been maintained because I drew energy from him into my body through my perineum while practising some yogic techniques. I really want to know if this can be cut.

My experience is that links are forged all the time for all sorts of reasons such as simply travelling and of course during psychic activities. These become part of the record as it were.
If a link is mantained then if it is located then there are options for making it redundant but keep it in mind that the memory continues to exist and it could be re-instated.

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Is there any way of severing this energy link? I feel fluttering sensations in my body where his energy has settled.

I don't believe this healer/occultist uses any systemtised magic but he is a highly skilled occultist who probably uses crystals and visualisation. But how does he manipulate the energy around me? I have detected loops in my energy field. Once I tried to fill this loop with a counter energy and only suffered  a terrible attack during the night. His psychological traits are best left unmentioned just now, but I believe I am sensitive to intense moods of depression which he enters into, as if I am being used and my empathic nature is being abused.

Regarding the loop, do you see a join to the link between you and the perp? We find that this is quite a common method for initially adding a link, a line is swung out and wrapped around the target, it is then tightened to consolidate the link. The link can then be used to send material with maybe emotions and/or other mayhem.
I had an occurance of this today and followed the link back where the perps had visualised a two cylinder pump which they were using to send stuff my way. The viewing projection that I was using was close to this so I solidified it a little and held it against one of the cylinders. It started to break up, watching them become aware of the damage was interesting and brought a little light relief to the otherwise boring activities of those who without others to drain are without any personal stature. Another method that we see is a twisting of the link skipping rope fashion which creates discomfort similar to some that you have described.
One thing to try is to interface with the links and work to make them redundant, often while active they will have a colour, smokey blue seem to be a current popular hue. I find cutting them and/or squeezing out the perps material and/or taking mental control and switching them off screws with the links. Where successful we note a colour change to a light grey sort of dead state but as with much of this stuff internal translation plays a part.

But the bottom line is that the perp (or something else that has chosen to exploit the original linking) is actively maintaining this stuff and that is where change is needed. Need to identify what they are getting out of it and start from there. In the meantime damaging the connections makes it harder for them and may make them look elsewhere.