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I didnt really elaborate on the tunnel in this experience but it was a very awesome experience.  THe tunnel was curved and twisted like a roller coaster and I was going so fast through it at one point I thought my face was going to rip off.  If started out as multicolored, I even distinctly remember the face of a clown made of pulsing neon colors being on one section of the tunnel wall.  Then it changed into pictures of places I felt I would go to and road signs I tried to remember, some of street names.

yeah who knows jub jub, all I gotta say is if I see that little guy again he better be prepared to get rocked.

Thanks bloodsong, sorry, I am new to most of this stuff and dont know who to believe mostly, but its obvious you know what your talking about!  

hmmm interesting, thanks bloodsong.

I was having a very very very odd dream about sports nutrition (dont ask) and I was writing on a white board explaining something to no one in particular.  I left the room and came back and something had been written on the board that I didnt write.  I actually physically wrote next to the part I didnt write "I didnt write this" and asked who wrote it.  Suddenly the white board is in my room and I am semi-lucid.  A voice comes from behind my fan and says "It was me!  I can do what I want!  You cant stop me!"  and I say "you wanna bet?" and erase what was written.  

The voice gets very irritated and goes on some strange tirade I dont remember much about and then says if I continue to tinkle him off he will put stoppers in all the holes in my floors and over flow the bathtub and flood my house and proceed to ride around in a small inflatable boat and rule me and my house for eternity... or something to that effect.  He also stated that I would wake up and I better be prepared.  I thought this was strange and quite disturbing.  

I woke up thinking WTF?  and groggily opened my eyes.  Before I could sit up I was paralyzed by fear and terror, I could hear water running quickly in my bathroom and felt someone standing next to my bed.  I tried to move but couldnt sit up.  I let my hand fall over the side of the bed and sure enough there was about 6 inches of water standing in my room.     :eyecrazy:  :eyecrazy:  :eyecrazy:  :eyecrazy:  :confusion:  :WTF:   I was in an all out panic now completely over come by the fact that it had come true and as I looked to where the presence was the feeling faded.  I then heard the sound of someone making there way through the water towards me.  I lay still, entirely unable to cope with how this was effecting me mentally.   :eyetwitch:  :crazy:   In a fit of rage and desperation when the sound reached me I lunged forward and grabbed ahold of a small inflatable boat.  I ripped it from the water and sunk my teeth into it trying to deflate it.  I expected to catch sight of the occupant as I savagely ripped into the boat with my canines.  I failed in popping the boat, flung it into the corner of my room and sat up quickly preparing myself for anything.

There was no sign of the wee person around anywhere.  I stood up feeling the luke warm water on my feet and walked towards the bathroom.  I crept slowly and peered into the room.  A person about 3 feet tall stood by the bath tub stuffing towels into the drain and making sure the water pooled properly.  I was overcome by rage and screamed "I dont know where you came from but your going back in pieces!!!!!!" and promptly drop kicked the munchkin into the wall.  I then began to loose lucidity and my memory fades from there.  I awoke again and was in the physical, water free!!!!  Talk about strange.  Another all too convincing experience as well as probably one of the more bizzarre to date.

hey TVOS I am waiting for you to write a book and be the next big name in OBEs!     Cool post, too bad I dont keep such good records

search bar is your friend.  There are TONS of threads about pot on this forum.  In my experience it helps enhance sensations but hurts memories of what happened during a projection.

There was a comment left in the videos comments box about how the repeated line meant "always and until the end of time Kakodemon", and I dont think they are casting out evil spirits as they are extremely dark in nature, most of their songs are either about becoming one with various metaphysical aspects of self or through satanic rites or about destroying all christians...  I of course dont speak greek so I cant say if the person was right for sure.  Their page is: http://www.behemoth.pl you can get access to all of their lyrics there, there is some really interesting stuff in there.

No, dont think so anyway.  I had my eyes closed and didnt want to open them too soon and end it all right away.  I didnt feel any presence close to me.

I thought you magickal types may find this video and song interesting.  Lots of stuff going on in the video, can anyone name any of the sigils?  Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in1AnNY5a8I

I found the lyrics to this song, apparently they are from Poland, their english isnt the best but here they are.

APO PANTOZ KAKODAIMONOZ

We transgress the context of commonplacenes
We deny normality, trample morality
We destroy angels with sound
We destroy angels with silence

Currents of tantric anarchy seize our bodies
Into the cosmic dance of four scythes
The curtains of Absurd Theatre are raised
Synchronicity - Mother Chaos on the stage

"Wisdom says: be strong!"Thrilling words are
spreading down the spine
Vibrating... "be strong!"Exhausted
I'm running towards the last shines of consciousness
Which is absorbed by shadows of madness

APO PANTOZ KAKODAIMONOZ
APO PANTOZ KAKODAIMONOZ

Here are the star and the snake servants;
-they rise the hexagram
Sun - in the triangle hidden ;
Sight - sacred visions entwined
And union with Nothingness body I'll find
Strength - go along the Mars path, fighting if we must;
Light - oh, you are Ahathoor, goddess of blue sky

There is might of dawn, in non-quality state I remain
Of commonness crippled time or sand
- glass you don't see again
Sigillum dei, picture of myself I'm drawing
With life, venom and hell I'm sprinkling it
His name is Esial, I want him more

nice experience!!!!     I have had quite a few experiences where I have exited and gone to pass through a wall and simply blacked out and ended up somewhere in the astral.  Sounds pretty much like what happened here.  THe colored grid effect happens to me alot during SP and upon awakening after OBEs.

The "ooooooooo" thing would have scared the crap out of me, auditory hallucinations before projecting always do if they are even slightly creepy.  As a matter of fact my last projection attempt with the auditory hallucinations of Carole Anne was the first time I have had them and not royally flipped out.

Keep it up!

I've had that happen a couple of times and I find it to be one of the most annoying things EVER!!!!     I have an inner ear inbalance so any time I spin IRL I get super duper evilly puky!  SO when I spin OBE my mind basically travels uncontrollably to my memories of spinning IRL and makes me feel like I am dying and going to vomit everywhere.

yeah thats what progressive relaxation is.  I think if you couple it with what you do now it will help alot, being physically relaxed, especially in your muscles is SO important.

I used to smoke alot of pot and it never helped me project.  I had some really messed up experiences but I never had any control and I would forget alot of stuff that happened to me the night before.  Smoke it if you got it, but dont expect it to help you have well controlled long lasting experiences.

I havent done anything with shamanic/rythmic drumming before but I listen to and play alot of Death/Black metal drums which rely on heavy amounts of blazingly fast and repetitive drum beats.  I have popped in a CD before and started playing along and it just gets me in such a frenzy!  I have gone into heavy heavy trances before playing drums to the point where my eyes arent open anymore and I am almost falling off of my throne but still playing the song perfectly at inhuman speeds.  I have also had RTZ overlay experiences through drumming as well as seeing points of light forming shapes behind my eyelids.  

Here are some random videos no one will like but are good examples of the style of drumming I am talking about!  Its great fun and an awesome workout!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpMZkmLT9gc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qr9ElWhJD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDAh2ti8u18

well I dont normally take shots before I sleep but I have come to the conclusion lately that I havent been relaxed enough when I have been attempting to AP.  I havent been this successful in projecting in quite a while and I bet it had alot to do with the vodka and the fact that I did progressive relaxation as well.  I felt like a puddle of ooze after that and it reminded me of back in the day when I used to do the same thing before every attempt (not always with the vodka!   )  I admit it, I have a slight drinking problem and tend to use it as a crutch for sleep on occasion.

Some of my best and longest experiences came after a heavy day of drinking.  It seems being hung over is a good state to attempt to project from.  

I agree that the bird most likely came from thinking of it as I had debated why i had seen it the first time a few days prior to this attempt.  The RTZ is one seriously messed up place!!!!  

hey -E-, I would say give the shots a try and read up on relaxation, specifically progressive relaxation if you dont know what it is already and combine them before an attempt!  It works wonders.  Yes, dont go over board though!  That will kill any attempt and just make you sleep.

I decided after working out for a while and surfing the net that I was rather tired and wanted to take a nap.  I also decided that I was tired enough to project and would attempt to do so.  I downed 2 shots of vodka to help me relax and headed for bed.  I ended up getting up every 30 minutes to tinkle and it began to get really annoying.  I felt another urge to get up and go.  I opened my eyes and saw something moving in the bed next to me.  It was small and fluffy.  I started debating with myself over whether or not I was in the RTZ or not and as the form got closer I realized it was a bird.   Not just any bird, but a sparrow, exactly like the one I saw in the RTZ about 6 months ago.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21242&highlight=

I went to swat at it because it was getting really close to me and it seemed to be heading right for my head.  My hand brushed up against it and it was all wet and I noticed it was shaking its head about trying to dry off.  For some insanely stupid reason I was convinced this was really happening and tried to stand up and I woke up.  I went over it in my mind and I obviously had been in the RTZ and after thinking about it for a while realized that I had been laying in my old bed that used to be in the same room.

I lay back down now knowing I could probably squeeze another experience out as I was still really relaxed and feeling a bit tingly.  I began to drift off again and I heard a small child repeat 2 words I couldnt make out 3 times.  I thought "well... thats just annoying!" and realized it was an auditory hallucination.  I then heard very loud  "Carol Anne?  Carole Anne?  What are we?  Carole Anne?  What are we?"  Followed by a reply that seemed to come from right next to my ear, "Too cool!  Tell them!  Too cool!"  

"Yeah!  Too Cool!"  The first voice blurted out in a confused manor.  I thought "well... thats good for you Carole... when the hell am I going to exit???" and I focused on spinning around.  I began to twist about and I felt a snap.  I sat up without opening my eyes and felt rather solid.  I was tempted to roll out of my bed but was glad I hadnt as I realized I was in the physical.  I tried to lay back down and get out again but only succeeded in falling asleep for an hour and waking up completely soaked in sweat.  Off to the shower!  :gasp:

You can find the answers to most of these questions in the Astral FAQ's sectio of the forum.

There is some good advice here!  Trying for a week??         Sorry it just always cracks me up how impatient people are with these things.  It took me about 3 months to project and that was after practicing meditation for about 2 years prior to attempting OBE's.  Its different for everyone but I would advise you to give it atleast 3 months before you get angry.  If you cant project by then feel free to get annoyed!     In my experience the first is the hardest and you already have that behind you....  good luck and head the kind words of the other posters!  They are 100% spot on.

How long do u think it is possible for an expert to stay in the astral for?

I would agree with kiwi, forever

How long do u think it is possible for a beginner to stay in the astral for?

My shortest projections where about 5 or 10 seconds and my longest during my first stages was about 2 minutes

What do you think hallucination or a real place?

hehe... uhm... I could try to ramble on about this but I will just tinkle myself off and confuse everyone because I tend to contradict myself and have an impossible time with this question.

I will try to keep it short....

It is real, but just as real as the physical.  I think some people tend to separate it in its... realness.. from the physical.  From my experience we are essentially always projecting, just into different places.  Its just our luck that we get stuck mostly in the "physical", I am just glad that I get that occasional time someplace else!  

I hope that made sense and answered your questions!

My EPs have not felt like Lucid Dreams. I've had 2 Ethereal Projections, and 1 Astral (I'm actually questioning weather or not this one was real or not, as it transitioned from a dream and still felt dream-like while projecting).  

whoa there buddy, dont confuse yourself.  I found it was much easier to project and to enjoy myself once I ditched all the confusing terminology.  Who cares if it was an EP, AP, LD, WILD, dream, what have you.  I just treat them all as EXPERIENCES.... for me, each one is completely different from the next and attempting to classify them is essentially pointless in my opinion.  Just some advice.  

I havent personally had exit sensations for a LONG time, so long in fact I cant remember the last time exactly.  I did have some strange vibes in my leg the other night, almost like when your leg falls asleep except pulsing and shaking, very strange.  When I did have sensations usually I would have them the first time and then none after that.

On the subject of pets, often during my false awakenings I will see my parents cats.  Usually they come right up to me and seem surprised I am moving, they are usually a bit warped in appearance, for example one of my parents cats, Dot, is black and white.  The other night I saw her in the RTZ during an episode of paralysis and she was indeed black and white, but the pattern on her body was like a cows... or a zebras, almost stripes and her features where blurred.  As I flailed one of my hands she came up to my hand and smelled it.  If I hadnt been panicked so much I may have petted her but as per usual I was flailing about in a panic and wasnt thinking clearly.  

Anyway, the point I am getting at is the only reason I have in my mind to believe that the RTZ is a world between physical reality and the "astral" is animals!  I never see them in the RTZ when they are awake and I ALWAYS see them when they are sleeping.  I always make sure to check after I see them and its never failed.  I always keep my door closed so they cant get in and I am not seeing them physically.... anyone else share any similar experiences?

Back on topic...  I agree 100% Tom, I have had some LONG OBE's, I will wake up and think "wow that felt like it lasted for hours!" but then i will stop and think about it and go over the events and really it took about 15 minutes.  It seems the more lucid I am the longer things seem to take because everything is so vivid and immersive.  I also have killed many OBE's by randomly freaking out about having to go back to my body and of course I do!  If I had stayed calm and not let it enter my mind who knows how much longer I could have stayed out.

I cant remember a time where I havent projected and then projected again right after.  I think in the beginning I tended to project once, have my mind blown and sit and ponder it for a while and not try again, but now, once that door is opened once it is SO easy to go back through it.

Sounds cool to me, dont know if I like the idea of being bed ridden and possibly vomiting but I've had worse trips!  Thanks for sharing!

To be honest I am not even sure about the whole deal.  Never said I was.  Didnt say I didnt believe in a higher power.

I am not trying to say divine intervention isnt possible or asking for help from god wont stop negs

Miss this part?  I am simply speaking from my own experience.  I have seen things like shadow people, what some would label demons, "negs" and the lot but how do I know for 100% sureness that these things are what they appear to be on the surface?  Or furthermore, if my mind didnt create them?  The astral plane is a very volatile place, easily effected by the mind.  

For example lets say I project and am floating about my house and a guy that looks like Jesus floats up to me and is all like "Dude!  I am Jesus!"  and assumes some highly religious archetypal pose.  Am I supposed to simply go HOLY COW ITS JESUS!  ?  Same applies to demons and negs and whatnot.

Always 2 distinct forces ey?  Your not projecting that on to them by any chance are ya?  Not assuming from what has been pounded into your head from day one that thats how it is?  A guy with giant horns, red skins, sharp razor teeth and glistening rock hard abs walks over to you on his ridiculously stereotypical cloven feet and your going to crap yourself instantly and be like "OHHHH NOOOOEEEESSS!!!!!!111!!!!!  Its a demon!"?  How do you know he isnt just looking for change for his Astral Dollar or wanting to exchange recipes for cookies?  I like to reserve this kind of snap judgement and learn things through long periods of trial and error.  Sure, I have been through some things you may classify as neg attacks and seen demons doing evil things, is that supposed to cement in my mind the fact that Good and Evil are 2 absolute truths and these beings really existed when I saw them?  Nothing is black and white in this world or the next my friend.

LOL no I wont share them!     Atleast not with someone who hasnt even projected from their bed side yet.  As I stated before I dont want you to become afraid of projecting, atleast not because of something I said.  This reminds me of how back when I first started projecting I got interested in negs and whatnot and purchased Practical Psychic Self Defense by Robert Bruce.  After reading that I had a long string of bad projections most of which mirrored experiences explained in that book and I even spent a night convinced a neg was manifesting in a shadow in my room and I drew holy symbols all over my body and couldnt sleep.      Having such stories of things happening planted in your mind can adversely effect your projections.  


I will say that the experiences I have had will remain with me forever and I dont want to use the term scarred me.... as I am over them but they are burned into my memory forever.  I honestly believe that these experiences have done nothing but made me stronger though, I am actually more willing to project now after experiencing these things, I figure if I can get through that stuff I can get through anything, and that applies to life as well.  I am willing to do just about anything!  I am going to be going sky diving with a friend of mine this summer, he says he cant get anyone else to go with him because they are too afraid to die!!!!     I think I can handle it!     I also havent had a bad projection in quite some time simply because I have realized through experience that things get really bad because I think they will!  THis is a key point to emphasize here.  When you are OBE and you start to get scared things go downhill real fast.  You will have to learn this yourself though because no matter how much control you think you have over your fear now that control soon melts quickly when faced with.... certain things.

OK I am getting off the beaten path here and starting to maybe even intice you a bit with my hintings so go out there and PROJECT first and get back to me.  One good experience is all it takes to start off a long string of projections and if you have any further problems get back to us!

Your father has really good intentions and he is right in some ways, if your not mentally capable of handling things you experience in the astral you very well could be mentally scarred by them.  Everyones threshold to these experiences are different but trust me when I say that it would probably take ALOT to do this to someone, atleast to the point where it truely affected them in real life.  Also, the chances of you seeing anything from the astral in real life are very slim.  I havent yet.  I would also like to add something about your intentions here, stay away from seeking out things you may not want to find.  Steer clear of things that you may not want to experience!  When you are fully seperated and are in the astral proper, things are just as real as they are in the physical.  I have had so many experiences where I simply stood with my mouth gaping just taking in the sheer reality of it all and despite the fact that I was in a place I had never been to before and KNEW FOR A FACT I was projecting I still couldnt believe it because it all seemed so real.  Things like torture, hell, demons, monsters, just about anything can be found in the astral if you go searching and believe me when I say you dont want to.  I thought it would be fun to go looking for these things a few times and I learned my lesson!  

Good luck and good experiences!

Knightlight

P.S. if you see that old man again punch him in the face!