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#176
Any astral time Travelers got any stories to tell of visiting the past? Perhaps a place where you once were and recalled events you were involved in.

Pls tell all of ANY Past astral time travel experiences.
#177
Ummmm whats Derek got to do with the original Question?!???!?
#178
Quote from: bjb1234 on September 16, 2007, 20:22:02
the future isnt set in stone, life would be so pointless if it was

I think its 99% set in stone but not totally.
#179
For anyone who has astral projected some Q's regarding some of the BIG mysteries:

What have you found out about the secrets of life or conciousness?

What have you discovered behind the scenes concerning the big universal question of WHY?

Have you seen any evidence of a single entity known as God?

Has AP offered a reliable insight into life after death and possibly eliminated any fear of death?
#180
Hmmm so are they saying that this is proof of the soul or not?  :-)
#181

Where have I heard this? just a book on astral projection and other various websites here and there on it.

#182
I've read in a number of sources that eating only vegetables and in particular Carrots, are good at helping induce AP.

Was curious if anyone happened to know why Carrots in particular. What is it in carrots that most other vegetables dont have when it comes to possibly helping you trying to AP? Thx.

#183


Hmmm well they can be fun thats for sure and yes as far as my semi lucid dream goes I had some degree of control over what was happening which was smashing a convenience store up with a baseball bat (I had a lot of anger in my life back then) it was cool but I think possibly and maybe hopefully, it is a long shot away from concious OBE. I also remember when i tried to wake up I couldnt always do it. It was'nt I might add a feeling of possibly having my astralbody/spirit or whatever go back and connect into my physical or anything it was just having the strength to pull myself out of the dream and wake up.

I guess this whole actual conciousness in OBE's/AP debate is too bloody complex. (scratches his head in frustration)

#184
Yeh I agree with you on that point but to say it becomes as real as everyday life? no.

I've had my fair share of lucid dreams in my time like one I remember was even thinking to myself "Hmmm shall I wake up now or hang around a bit?" kinda cool but not really much use.

And yes Clever clever T.L.






#185

Hmmm lucid dreaming is astral projection? I always thought it was more than that, I always thought OBE or astral projection call if what you will, is specifically being CONCIOUS whilst out of your body. Otherwise I dont see what use astral travel/lucid dreaming is as you cant really be concious or wary enough to know what the hell is going on until you remember it when you wake up but even then its just a mish mash of memory that is random and makes little sense.

Well I dont mean to be rude or anything but (if you are) maybe your not actually having astral projections. Your Lucid dreaming. If you ask me proper astral projection (even though i've never had one but i've done alot of research) involves a good degree of conciousness. Please tell me your further thoughts.

This is real confusing for me really as i'm constantly hearing from people that lucid dreaming is astral travel then hearing that astral travel involves alot of conciousness/lucidity which is something Dreams dont have. When your asleep and dreaming one is unconcious. The ability to be awake when dreaming so to speak is what I believe to be a real out of body experience/AP then someone else will say AP is dreaming. Its all like "!?!?!?!?what the hell is AP dammit!?!!?! is it dreaming/lucid dreaming or more?!?!?!" lol hehe.

#186
Okay I read the replies I got from my other (rather unpopular post) about it being nothing more than lucid dreaming, and i've done some further research and it occurs to me many people have various degree's of conciousness when it comes to AP. I fear some may just be regular lucid dreams in some peoples cases.

This is something I found somewhere else. A chart on astral projection exact conciousness chart.

Levels of lucidity:
0% - Unconcious
20% - Semi-concious (lucid dream)
40% - Lucidity doubt (most projections are here)
60% - Certainty - (where certain having projection)
80% - Self awareness (same awareness as waking state)
100% - Cosmoconciousness - expansion of conciousness (Nirvana)

Do you people think this is accurate? where would YOU say most peoples projections are at on the chart.