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Some drugs and alcohol can lower inhibitions, which can temporarily increase a person's facility with psi.  But any extended use, or higher doses, IME invariably reduce facility with abilities.  In some cases, some drugs can cause permanent damage, such as LSD.
It's a temporary, illusory effect--it's the lowering of inhibitions that causes the increase, not the drug itself.


--Winged Wolf

I'm a little ambivalent about the idea of psi training for kids who aren't born-psi....Nons can do very well with psi, but I think it ought to be a seriously considered choice.  It's not always pleasant, nor does it make life easier!


--Winged Wolf

There's another reason I hadn't thought of not to do psi only in altered states of consciousness!  Didn't occur to me someone could fry themselves more easily that way.
re: overloading.  Unless you've done yourself (or someone's done you) so much damage that it's permanent, effects tend to fade over the course of a month or too, and function usually returns.


--Winged Wolf

I don't know.  I've seen some of the highest-energy people around, and one of them has fibromyalgia--the others do not.
Training may make migraines worse and more frequent, but the effect seems to subside once your system gets used to the higher energy level you carry.
There's a link between psi and fibromyalgia.  Does using psi make it more likely to develop, or is it simply that born-psis, being genetically messed up, are more prone to have the genes that cue for it?
Dangerous?  Well, we aren't dead yet.
Does it matter?  I know that I, for one, would do it anyhow!


--Winged Wolf

Strange to be positive about psychic combat?  Why?  It's one of the things I'm best at, so I enjoy it, odd as that may seem.

re your dream....I don't know.  Might have been that you were out of body in your sleep, that's common enough.  Why did you feel the blow, if that's so?  Because it impacted your nervous system, since you were right there going back in body.
Confusion between waking and sleep could account for why it seemed so very physical.

I used to use swords and armor and such, but usually I just do straight combat without constructs these days, and don't use those kinds of associations.  I do make bombs sometimes, though, but I don't really make them look like a grenade or nuke or anything.


--Winged Wolf

Hmm....
Let's put it this way--mosquitoes are common in the wilderness, and that's the level of most of the unfriendly critters you'd run across.

Bears, however, are much less common, but far more dangerous.  Still, you might run into one.

Learn shielding before you try astrally projecting--that'll protect you from the mosquitos.  If you see a bear, run away.
I have an uzi, so bears don't bother me. ;P


--Winged Wolf

Sure, but unless it's been done by a sorceror with a twisted sense of humor, it's usually a constructed entity, and not a "naturally occurring" one.  (Someone created it, and put it there deliberately, in other words).  Entities seldom deliberately attach themselves to inanimate objects, IME.


--Winged Wolf

This jibes with what we've found as well--that RV is one application of the input function of time ability, as are precognition and retrocognition.
All three deal with perceiving events and places occurring in time--whether past, present, or future, and all three manifest in the same way--flashes or impressions of a sensual nature (a smell, an object or building, a sound, a taste, etc).


--Winged Wolf

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Well, Winged one, I think your "RV" experience could be labeled or termed a BI-location experience. If 'you' "outbounded" , bounded out to somewhere.. that smacks of bi-location, don't yah think? being present, perceiving, in two locations at once? or was it an OOBE or a wake induced OOBE?  

I did not send an energy body of any kind to the location, so I do not think that it would be appropriate to term it "bilocation".  I'd love to hear what the difference is between remotely viewing a location, and being present and perceiving in a remote location.

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Or quite simply as you stated a telepathy experiment that worked.
That after all is or was the point of your telepathy experiment, to report accurate data telepathically ?

And the difference between that and outbounding is?  None at all.  I borrowed the senses of another person to perceive a location.  I could taste the coffee on his table, and the cigarettes he smoked.  I saw the color of his hair and eyes, and the pen he was holding in his hand.

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The outbounder term is RV terminology, but it refers to sending a person (a beacon or transmitter), the outbounder, to the site/target/location and having the (removed, remote, not present, blind) viewer/s recieve/describe the/a signal from the 'outbounder' .

Exactly.  They link to the person at the location, and borrow their senses to perceive what's around them.  This is how everything I have read on the subject describes the process.  My school of thought considers this a function of nervous system ability--a mental ability that allows you to link to another person's nervous system and (in the input function) translate the signals.  This is the same base ability that allows you to perceive another person's pain and detect where an injury is, just a different application.

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With RV you must be trained number one, it's not natural, but clairvoyance and say bi- location, OOBE can be, spontaneous.
And, that you have recieved no formal RV training... I expect your doing, experiencing, something else and are borrowing the descriptive terminology.

And exactly why must you be trained?  The process involved is EXACTLY the same, whether a person is trained or not.  If I went through an RV course tomorrow, I would be perceiving things the same way, and the process would be EXACTLY the same, even if the little physical things I did to achieve it were different.  But of course, those things don't really matter--the end result does.  This sounds like more elitist RV bull, no offense.  It doesn't matter how you get there, if you got there, it's still remote viewing.  I was not out of body, I am not "clairvoyant", and I did not send an energy body to the location, so it was not bilocation.  Remote viewing IS a natural ability that develops spontaneously in some people, just like EVERY OTHER psi ability.  There is nothing at all "special" about it.  It's NOT unique, and not even particularly uncommon.  The government developed the RV training program because they wanted to see of the ability was useful--they did NOT create the ability!

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I think the term RV has become a catch all term, and psychics, seers, readers, channelers, lucid dreamers, bi-locationers, clairvoyants, OOBers now 'borrow' the term, and not the other way around, RVers didn't borrow the or an 'existing'  term from the psychic population in general, the term RV was not even (public) all that used or popular or in use till the Stargate(data) was released/declassified, around 1990-5. From the original unit the label of "Remote Viewer" and protocol came into existence and was coined. The term stemmed from that unit, it was not in common general usage.

It's ludicrous to create a term to describe an ability, and then turn around and claim that the term ONLY applies if the ability is triggered by special training, and if it isn't then you have to call it something else--even if it is controlled by the person and the results are exactly the same..  This was simply another way to control the remote viewers they had in their program, and prevent them from diverging into other areas of psychic training on their own.  There is NO basis for it at all.

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With an RVer, the viewer goes no where, (no bi-location or OOBEs, viewers BTW are schooled to stay FULLY in-body) they describe a signal (line), they don't SEE the signal they sense/receive/observe it, home in on it, it, they are NOT the signal, not actually present at the real time event as it happened or happens.

No difference at all.

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If your listening to a radio broadcast your getting the sound of what is occurring some-where-else, your not there "first person" in person, in/at the studio. Your receiving the effect. You can receive that effect at any time or place over and over and over (say.. if that broadcast has been recorded). If your watching a movie, your certainly not on location during the filming, your experiencing a signal broadcast.

Nice theory, but I say it doesn't work that way.  "Signals" of that kind don't travel that far, because other signals interfere with them.  You have to send YOUR energy to the target, and read the bounce-back, like a focused sonar or laser detector.  People aren't aware of doing it, but those on the other end who are sensitive are perfectly aware of them.  That is why a trained psi with a high level of sensitivity CAN tell when they are being remote-viewed.  Passive sensing only works up close, when there hasn't been so much signal degradation from other conflicting energy fields.
Don't bother to tell me I'm wrong because you read it in a book on RV.

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No RVers certainly don't look down their noses at other PSI skill/talents they are as in awe and admiration as any one else.
(They do get very tired of other PSI skills borrowing/trading on their or the label and coined definition of RV tho)

They have an elaborate web of excuses for why RV just HAS to be trained.  It's utter BS, and I won't apologize for saying so.  There is no logic in it at all.
I'll accept that "CRV" is a special process.  But remote viewing refers to the ABILITY ITSELF.  It's a very straightforward term.
Of course, we could just call it an application of the input function of Time ability, when it's not done via outbounding.

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Thing is when trained in RV CRV or ERV, it can be worked almost anywhere any time, it's not a fluke or happenstance, it's a scientifically tested and approved developed protocol, not owing to any super PSI (sometime) ability or phenomena.
It's not iffy, a passing fancy, its just there (dependable) everytime, and you just do it (work it) and the accuracy rate is far higher and detailed than any other au natural PSI skill.

EVERY psi ability improves with proper training.  Again, there's nothing unique about RV.  It occurs naturally, just as other abilities do--of course at a lower accuracy level without training, just like other psi abilities.
Remote Viewing is NOT superbly accurate--it has a high rate of inaccuracy, in fact.  Trained RVers have a higher accuracy rate than untrained ones.  And some RVers will simply have more talent and a higher accuracy than others.  There's no such thing as 100% accuracy with psi of any kind.  Again--RV is NO DIFFERENT.  Calling RV dependable is ludicrous--there's a reason so many of the programs were shut down.  (I don't believe for a moment that they all were).  

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You don't "have *an* RV", as you stated.
You work a session....
blind to the target site,
that you have been tasked to and you have a monitor to monitor you during session (keep you in session/on signal/in structure).
You follow (taught/learned)protocol, have a rigid structure for session report and you are highly disciplined and you discard or set aside (declare) (don't use) any visual-s.

I didn't state I had an "RV".  I said that I did RV.  Without any monitors, sessions, or protocols, spontaneously, because I was working on developing my psi abilities, and this one decided to emerge.  I've done it on several occasions since.  I get very strong visuals.  If I see yellow tiles, and there ARE yellow tiles there, that's a hit.  And it has nothing to do with anything other than remote viewing.  I'm not bound by any government-developed system for using this ABILITY.  

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You, personally Winged Wolf, can have an every once ina while experience where you find yourself in one location and find yourself viewing (seeing actually) at another location removed from yourself. I.e. you can be at home in Main St, USA, and see something in Siberia.
With the term RV now become a catch all some right away jump on the band wagon a say *remote view*, and per a dictionary definition you were and are in a remote location removed from the site, but in effect for whatever reason you were seeing via some etheric phenomena. So remote, removed, dis-located/location or bi-seeing is in effect?

I wasn't there.  I was sitting comfy in my room, in front of my computer, typing happily away, as impressions of the location I was "viewing" impressed themselves boldly on my consciousness.
This is remote viewing.  Location images and impressions come in flashes, just as is reported in controlled RV sessions.  NO difference.

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RV should have been labeled or formally named, remote sensing or remote sensual perceptions.. but even that would have been borrowed, plagiarized, also.

It's a descriptive name--it describes the ability, what the person is doing psychically.  It does NOT imply a process.

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That's about all I can say, if you don't comprehend or duplicate what I have written.. well I don't know how else or what else to explain, and there are plenty of WWW sites to read on.
RVcan't be blocked or shielded, time space distance has no effect on the viewer or signal.

That's what the government told people when they developed their program, because when a person thinks they ought to be able to do something, their subconscious finds ingenious ways to try to do it.  And RVers were kept strictly in the dark, as much as possible, about how they were doing what they were doing, and why.  They didn't need to know.
But that doesn't make it true.  You can prevent a signal from leaving a location, let alone block an incoming signal!  The physics of this are blindingly obvious.

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You (personally) could say you had a ..
"from remote/removed location I had a visual perceptual/etheric experience at/of a remote removed area object event from I in real time physical, that was confirmed and verifiable" ..
you could coin the term or above, labeled abbreviated
an "FRRLIHAVPEEAOARRAOEFIIRTPTWCAV"..

or you could just say, I was successful, I am talented, I saw/experienced telepathically and it was verified, I had a strong hit on the targeted site, I am very pleased with myself, happy and that was fun!.

Or, I could say that I do some remote viewing, and I'd be understood, and I'd be accurate, whether the trained RV cronies like it or not.

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If your not a trained remote viewer you can't really discuss, categorize, comment, pass judgement on RV with me or others.

Of course I can.  I just did.  If I develop my own system for training RV, then can I call it RV?  Or does it have to be government approved?

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I am not a natural or trained, verified, tested, telepath/empath, so I can't really discuss (knowledgeably) that subject with you and or others..

Have you ever tried?  I'm no empath, either, and I'm a rather weak telepath.

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So..
Are you Winged Wolf a "Remote Viewer" or are you borrowing some descriptive, or just 2 common words that fit from a dictionary?

I'm using a term for an ability which has been fairly well defined as meaning "viewing or sensing a location from a distance too far for the known 5 senses".  HOW you go about doing this should make no difference.  The ability remains the same, no matter the training.  If you're doing it, then you are DOING IT.

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Why can't RV be blocked??
I AM TALKING ABOUT "Remote Viewing" not every other, any other, some other, PSI skills.
Because the viewer is describing a signal line, viewer is NOT actually (located) on/at tgt/site in present/past time in-a-body or etheric.
You can't block or cover a signal.
It just doesn't seem to work.
It doesn't work.
It has not worked.
I would say it won't work, can't work.

It can, it has, and I can tell you several creative ways on how.

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A "block" is basically bogus crapola carved outa and by fear(usually unfounded) and control, and just usually indicates a need for education or information on a subject..
The signal is already there same as anything else en-physicall-ed, had no clue or concept anyone would ever come in for a listen.. and signal doesn't give a hoot anyway.

Where does the signal come from?  What creates it?  What is is comprised of?  Do you know?  I, at least, have a theory which seems to function well.  I'm not blindly accepting someone else's statement on it.  Name me one other signal in existance which cannot be blocked--you won't be able to.  Then tell me why yours is special.

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You/site or the event don't/won't even know your being RVed and described..
because "your" not, your signal. (or astral etheric residual imprint/signal is targeted signal).
how would some event (i.e. building of the pyramids) block it's self..
or some big time hood (terrorist) know he/she was being tagged/monitored, IT'S the signal they broadcast, residual energy, a shadow land of sorts(like the neagtive of a film or photo), an/a slight impression of the event.. linear/level/flat/time/space/event/continuum/hologram-fic/temp;file;can't delete, everyone/everything broadcasts/emits an energetic signal, leaves behind a fingerprint ..

or so it seems now,

don't it ))))))))))))))))

~T~

It doesn't block itself.  But it can be blocked by another person.  I can very easily interfere with the signal/signature emitted by an object, simply by surrounding it with a barrier of my OWN signal, and emitting frequencies and patterns that cancel out and destroy the frequencies and patterns of the object.
Now, I can't disguise MY signal thusly, for obvious reasons.  But I can certainly hide something else.
Want to test it?


--Winged Wolf

It's perfectly logical, of course--any continued sensation will cause your nervous system and brain to begin to ignore it.  So, it takes higher and higher levels of energy to cause the sensations that you had when you first started working with energy.
However, this applies primarily to your OWN energy, which has a familiar pattern.  You may find that your sensitivity to the energy of others increases rather than decreases.


--Winged Wolf

The similarities between NEW and the system I was trained in suggest that both are as much "exercise program" as learning new things--so yes, you DO have to stick to the schedule.
Just because you can lift the heavier weight doesn't mean that's the one you should start working out with.


--Winged Wolf

Oh, goody....this I'm looking forward to.  Psychic combat is my forte.

--Winged Wolf

As for going mind to mind with a demon:
Why on earth would you let it get near your mind anyhow?  Use your energy to keep the critter OUT of your internal workings.
Yes, a being like that is powerful--but there are people who are moreso.  And cleverness can also make up for lower power levels.  Band together, and you can come up with more power than any demon--just add appropriately trained people until you exceed it.
For best results, shred the thing into pieces too small to hold the pattern, and eradicate it forever.


--Winged Wolf

So, are you talking about the antisocial psychic vamps who steal energy, or the polite ones who ask first?  (Times change).  In modern vamp culture, predatory behavior is frowned upon.


--Winged Wolf

Nope, sure haven't.


--Winged Wolf

You know, I'm getting the impression you somehow associate sex magick with promiscuity, or orgies or something.
How in the world could anyone hope to have kids in today's world of STDs?  It's shocking!
Everything I've read on sex magick indicates that you're not intended to go gallavanting around with everyone who'll agree to participate!  It's meant to be done with a trusted partner--and that's usually a husband/wife or other long-term partner.  Or, as I said, it could be done alone.  No risk of STDs there!
So why the bias....really?


--Winged Wolf

No, I'm not lacking in compassion for the situation--I'm just of the mind to deal with something however necessary.  I don't think there's any sense in backing down in situations like that, because people who do those kinds of things will only move in for the kill when they sense weakness--they won't stop.  It's not a dominance ploy at that point, it's a predatory act.  You can be prey, or you can fight back.


--Winged Wolf

I don't know....I'm just not seeing the reasoning behind letting something attack you simply because you're not sure whether or not you can effectively fight back.  Maybe it's just me, but I'd at least have to TRY, even if I DIDN'T think it would work.

In the wild, most predators seek out prey that is weakened in some way--and an animal that's weakened lacks confidence.  Any animal that puts up more than a minor fight is usually left alone--why risk injury from a shark, even a small one, when the sea's full of fish?  Do you get angry because something you're trying to sudue fights back?  Wouldn't it make more sense to go after something that doesn't put up a fight?
A cat's been known to let a mouse go on occasion--when the mouse becomes overly aggressive, and attacks the cat instead of trying to flee.  The mouse has no hope of winning that battle, and the cat knows it--but a bite from a mouse can hurt, even if it doesn't do a lot of damage.

So, I personally prefer to bite.


--Winged Wolf

Well, when you shield correctly, you'll generally notice that you can feel the difference.  (The exercises promoted on this site certainly could help with increasing that sort of awareness).  Whenever you think about it, throughout the day, and certainly at least once a day, check your shields.  If they're intact, that's fine--if they're not, fix them and reinforce them.
The amount of time it takes for shields to become "automatic" varies from person to person, but eventually you'll find them intact everytime you check them, and you can at that point pretty much leave them be, unless you have some reason specifically to check or reinforce them.  Particularly, check them in the morning--once you keep them up through the night, you usually have trained your subconscious to maintain them without your conscious thought.
When it comes to house shields, you probably need to simply figure out how long they last by checking them every day--you can set up a schedule to maintain them based on that.  You'll probably get better at doing shielding around things other than yourself over time, and find that they will last for longer and longer periods of time, but unlike your personal shields, they don't have an automatic source of energy, so entropy eventually wins, even though some people can create shields that last for years.


--Winged Wolf

Actually, I think you're referring more to CRV or one of the other wash-downs from the government RV experiments, rather than remote viewing (which is a relatively common psi ability).  My RV first occurred spontaneously, and I've never done any CRV or similar types of exercises.  I simply outbounded during what was meant to be a telepathy experiment.  I've done it several times since, at least once I suspect wasn't outbounding--it's always when I'm doing psi work over a distance for other reasons.

I don't think the government folks have a monopoly on the term remote viewing or RV--that ability is still what it is, whether it's trained or not.  I've met a lot of elitist CRVers who claim otherwise, of course....the most amusing part is the utter dismissal they give to any other psychic abilities.

They also claim RV cannot be blocked.  Yet, unsurprisingly, I've yet to hear a reasonable explanation of why not.  And I've heard MANY reports of "blank" areas where RVers cannot see anything.  It all comes down to skill level--someone very highly trained in one ability may well be able to slip past most barriers, and if they were trained very narrowly, they may not even realize that they did so, or how.  But there are a few people who have similar skill levels in shielding--it's just that RVers are not going to wind up viewing a blocked area very often, so they won't be accustomed to being blocked.  (Absence of proof not being proof of absence).


--Winged Wolf

That's not wrong, it's just an alternative method of doing it.

I personally always bilocate--send an "astral double" to the location I'm working, and reach out there to work through.  I so doing, I maintain complete awareness of my physical surroundings, as if I'm in two places at once.  I consider this tremendously safer--if something goes wrong, or you get in a fight too tough to handle, you can abandon the construct and cut the link.  (And watch the fun from a distance, if you actually blow the construct up instead of just leaving it....I've heard many people mistake it for a person's actual astral body, and their intense confusion when it explodes has got to be worth a belly laugh).


--Winged Wolf

The exercises are on the website I mentioned--you can compare them yourself, if you like, just go to the training manual.
In some ways, they are similar to NEW, in that both methods involve energy manipulation.  However, the focus in NEW is far more on energy sensing, and the focus in the training method I learned is far more on energy manipulation.  I couldn't possibly say which is better--the method I trained in works extraordinarily well for bringing a person very quickly (in less than 6 months) from a bare beginner to a moderate skill level (competant to deal with most entity problems, for example).  It's very much focused on practicing skills that lead up to more complex energy-working and construct (artificial entities) abilities.  The very process of doing those exercises increases overall ability level, preparing a person for training other types of abilities (such as telepathy for example).
NEW seems to focus primarily on energy-sensing and awareness, and it also will increase ability levels overall, due to the intense working with and manipulating of energy during the course.  It's not impossible that NEW might lead a person to develop mental and physical abilities even sooner than the training I had, but on the other hand it may not prepare them as well to defend themselves psychically.  This I don't know, as I haven't used the system.

It would be highly interesting to take two groups of students, and have one use each system, and compare their progress!


--Winged Wolf

Honestly, I have a very low opinion of religion in general, the clergy is the LAST place I would go for an entity problem.  Tell you what, if he grabs the thing, and it gets mad and does him further harm, I'll go over and personally get them for him.


--Winged Wolf

Well, as my friend who found that shields alleviated his night terrors can attest, outside interference can trigger these kinds of sleep disorders.
The sheer amount of STUFF the human mind processes, particularly with psychic input added, is awe-inspiring.  Reducing some of that can help a person get a good nights' sleep.


--Winged Wolf

I'm a little uncertain if you just mean little things that like to follow you through the woods, little parasite spirits, or if you're talking about actual fae spirits.
If the former, those are mainly mischievous--you get scared, and they get a belly-laugh.
The little parasite things I've seen called demons, before, and usually some reasonable practice with shielding and psychic defense is enough to keep them at bay.
Actual fae spirits, you have to be very careful about.  They are right on par with angels and demons.  In fact, I would MUCH rather deal with a nasty demon, than go up against a fae spirit.  A demon is so much more predictable.
It's best to give them the respect that they expect.  In other words, stay out of their space when they request it.  They can be among the nastiest things you'll ever encounter....or the nicest.  Remember the Irish legends of the Sidhe?  Some were helpful, others would hunt you down just for looking at them.  And they were all sidhe--they stand together regardless of their opinion of humans.


--Winged Wolf