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Don't think I've ever talked to anyone about OBE's, but in general, if I ever felt like talking to someone about "iffy" sbujects, then you have to go off of signals. Don't go straight to what you want to talk about, dance around the topic, use something that you can relate to it and -don't- bring it up only to talk about it to no end if the person doesn't pick up interest when you idly mention it. If they catch the mention and say something about it, then it's free game to talk about, they're interested in it and won't have a problem talking about it. With some stuff, there's an unwritten set of rules that goes along with it that you just instinctivly know.

I've run into the problem of bringing stuff that will normally have people look at you funny, you get used to a way of introducing it without making it seem as though it is what you want to talk about.

Yeah, like the post above me says, don't hand out free info. Give and get so that you can get something out of it as well, that way they can't end up saying that you are rambling about some strange thing.

Hopefully, this is understandable.

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As for that "belief system of dispair", I think about that one sometimes, filed mentally away with the rest of my conscienceness/universe possiblities. The only way to go about it is to have possiblilities, because at this point, there's no way to prove one over the other. An open mind serves you best, but you need to know when to discard the less-plausible stuff too.

The brighter ones that you can see (not the strings or the blacker shadows), I think, are blood pumping through the tissues at the back of your eyes. It creates bright white points that seems to move along set paths, which are the bloody vessels they are traveling through. The bright ones are hard to spot unless you're looking at bright light, the sky, or something a light color like snow or a ceiling.

Hullo, I am a 20 year old guy who is curious about most of the topic that these forums cover. I have sleep paralysis, dream lucidly out of those on occasion, and have possibly opened the 'third eye' quite accidently once. I have also had hallucinations while in SP, both auditory and visual.

One time had a possible OBE or something (not even sure what it'd be called); it seemed as though I was seeing from another entities perspective that was behind me, looking towards me. I was fully awake, standing, and waiting for the crosswalk signal to change. This was, needless to say, very odd. It's never re-occured. If anyone could give me some insight on this, it would be nice.

I am naturally a skeptic, I try to figure out alternatives and possiblilites to what has been said to have happend. I don't like taking things at face value either. Just the way I am.

Nice to actually write one of these, couldn't see the introductory forums before.

For me, I drop into dreams from thinking before I fall asleep. The thinking, visualizations, and the such just form into the dream I have. This happens with the first dream only, I assume. The rest of the dreams I have are stuff that is normal dream material; things thought about, or done during the day.  I've never APed or had an OBE (never tried), all I know about them is what I've read about them before and the conclusions that I've drawn from that.

Are you saying that APing and dreaming are different only because one has the intent to dream about certain surroundings or events?

Sorry for sounding rude, I've always thought of APing and OBE as one and the same. I figured that APing was projecting your mind to the real world. When I found out that APing also had a different definition, I decided to leave in the first part I wrote. Maybe I should've lurked a bit more, but I find that this lends to learning faster, basing stuff less off of assumptions and possibly wrong information.

It sounds like that sort of visualization moves from static to moving/changing because either your mind accociates the movement with the object so strongly, that it takes over and 'fixes' the image for you so that it more properly resembles the object or scene that you imagine or it changes simply because you cannot maintain the image well enough and the scene in front of you progresses along by association.

Is this higher self (over soul), the same as your inner self, your unconscienceness, but just refered to in a different light? It would explain why you have a connection with them, why they seem similar yet different from you, and why the differences between you and it disappear after communicating with it for a time and become in touch with your hidden thoughts, emotions, wishes, and all that.

If you manage to fall asleep while trying to have an OBE and end up going lucid, then you're probably going to carry that desire into the dreaming state. You're going to see your body; it's part of the dream of having a OBE. One way to check it is to try to read a word or sentence of a newspaper or other piece of writing lying around and remember it so that you carry it back with you when you wake. It's said that you cannot read in dreams (though I've found that it's not always the case for me), so even by reading it, you've added another level of probability that you're having a OBE. It's more reliable then checking the time, because you would mostly know what time you went to sleep and be able to come to a conclusion of what time it should be, so that's what time you will see if you are dreaming.

This form of astral projecting you guys are talking about looks like you've decided to slap the name on any kind of vivid dreams that you have. I mean, really, if you can't seperate the APing and some dreams from each other(or simply decide that they -must- be the same things), then you're going to be confusing the two more often, confusing any people who read this about them, and making people who just stumble across these forums jump to conclusions of how you think. The dreams that appear to be their own world, to be vividly detailed, and seem to be real, are either lucid dreams or ones that you have remembered particularily well for one reason or another.

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I just checked the definition of astral projection to make sure that I hadn't gotten it wrong, but it seems that the definition of it has changed from what it once meant. That's too bad, because it also means that astral projecting can refer to fictional places, worlds from books, television shows, and other dream, which only continues to  blurs the line between dreaming and APing, which are two different things, but the term has been used by those who dream because of the intensity, messing up the definition of the word.

My dreams have always been very detailed. They don't seem much different from real life while I'm in them, trees, people, cobbled stones, buses, houses, and the such seem normal. Sometimes there are parts of what is happening in the dreams that don't make normal sense, but that are perfectly proper-seeming in the dream itself. This, of course, changes if I realize that I am dreaming, then it either breaks up or changes to something else.

The memories aren't so much memories but knowledge that I naturally have inside the dream. I believe that it makes it so that you are tricked into not realizing that you are sleeping because, for me at least, once I realize I'm sleeping I usually can't stay in it for long and become aware of my eyes being closed, myself laying on my bed, and have to fight to maintain the dream or need to try to get back into it.

When I fly, I just kind of lean forward and lift my feet off the ground by bending my knees. I've only had problems with it when I was watching other people do it in my dreams, then I couldn't lift off. The last time I flew was about a month ago, it must have been lucid, I ended up worrying about hitting the powerlines above me, and of course hit them. It sent a tingle through my head. After that, the dream went to completely odd teleporting, pyrokenisis, and telikenises, which the like have rarely happened in my dreams.

Yeah, I was young (probably 10) when I first flew in a dream, I was just able to do it, I don't think I thought about it, I just did it. I still remember the main parts of that dream.

I have sometimes heard voices, noises, and songs while going to sleep, in the half-dreaming state. I've also heard a part of a non-existent song, snapped awake, and managed to write it down. Is this similar to what you are discussing?

I have also heard the loud whooshing noise (like a jet engine) while in sleep paralysis. It seems like the flip side of how your hearing drops in and out before falling asleep.

Jebus, don't ramble and try to have a point...

I'll explain it as best I understand. For starters, I have sleep paralysis quite often, so I have researched up about it. Simply put, when you go to sleep, your brain flicks a switch on that makes it so that you cannot move while you sleep. When you wake up, your brain signals this switch to turn off and let you move. This normally happens just after you fall asleep and just before you wake, so you don't notice it.

Problems happen when the signal to the switch isn't triggered or is triggered too soon or is triggered out of the blue. It'll shut down your ability to move or it will turn it on at inappropriate times. With sleep paralysis, the switching occurs while you are going to sleep or while you just awake or while you are sleeping. It makes it so that you are unable to move, plain and simple. Your brain either doesn't realize that you aren't supposed to be paralysed yet/still or the signal to the switch wasn't sent. When you move around at night, when you should be paralysed (sleepwalking, acting out dreams, sitting up, talking) then the switch was either never turned on or was accidently turned off.

The explanation isn't rediculous. Just because you can't get your mind around it doesn't make in wrong.

"The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light." -from the website that was posted

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Can't energy travel faster than the speed of light? I'm probably wrong but if you were to take a pencil and push it on the desk, both ends would move at the same time. If you had a -really- long pencil, one that is a light-minute long, would both ends not move at the same time or would it take a minute for the kenetic energy between the atoms to reach the opposite end? I'm just puzzeling this in my head and would like to know what you guys think about it. By the way, I'm not talking about what it would look like, if the pencil would seemingly expand or contract, but what would physically happen.