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[The former dwellers of the Earth]

The former dwellers of the Earth

Intro

What you are about to read can be disturbing and can make you go insane, this is not a joke, so if you think that you're not ready to thread these waters then I suggest you don't read any further. For those that want to know more, you are certifying that you have good control over your emotions. For those that will read in disbelief, you are the best readers.

These informations are being made available because there's something very important that everyone should know. There is strong evidence to change everything that is currently accepted about the Earth and it's past inhabitants. I've been completely disturbed by this ever since it became clear to my eyes. Should I let others know? Am I meant to do this at all? Will I risk being thought of as a fool, nutcase, paranoid? Maybe, therefore I encourage you to verify every single sentence that was written here, and decide if it makes sense or not.

What I found has always been there for all to see, all I did was to connect the dots with lines to form the figure, so the credit goes to all the researchers that came before me and left their dots. My work is just another dot, and hopefully someone will use it to form the bigger picture.


Background

Extinguished ancient civilizations are known to have possessed incredible technological knowledge, undeniable astronomical, agricultural and mathematical skills, and perhaps the most impressive and tangible legacy of their long lost past are the astonishing, complex gigantic structures made of carved stones that can be found scattered all over the globe, usually dated to at least 4.000 years ago, the Megaliths.



(For more info: Ale's Stones; Burnt Hill; Cromeleque dos Almendres; Pedra Montada; Carnac Stones; Khakassia)

Megalithic monuments can have stones of weighs varying from 10 tons to more than 150 tons, and heights that can reach up to 14 feet each.



(For more info: Mnajdra; Hagar Qim; Stonehenge; Ggantija)

Enormous blocks of stone are so precisely fitted together that even today with our modern technology it would be impossible to replicate such an everlasting feat.


(For more info: Kheops Pyramid; Baalbek; Tiahuanaco; Sacsayhuamán)

It has been proposed in the book 'The World Without Us' by Alan Weisman, that if the whole humanity suddenly disappeared from the face of the planet, all the great cities in the world would soon start to crumble due to natural phenomena and lack of maintenance. Roads would give way to forests, and skyscrapers would fall in a period of decades.
(For more info: http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html)

Who were the people that built these magnificent structures? They seemingly knew things that only now we're starting to grasp. If we look back to the scriptures of the very first civilization known, the Sumerians (5.000 BC), we find stories about a race called Anunnaki, who "descended" to Earth and established their cities on the alluvial plain of Mesopotamia. They supposedly created and instructed the human race, and in the scriptures, the Anunnaki are said to have been giants. Roman and Greek's texts speak about Titans, a race of godlike giants who ruled the Earth before the Olympians overthrew them.

If these ancient stories are true, that would explain the largeness of the constructions, but what does Archeology have to say? Has any Archeological proof for giants been found besides the monuments and legends?

The concise answer is yes, tombs, mummies and bones have appeared and disappeared here and there, however, no academic register of that nature has ever been made public.

It has been reported that there were larger animals, like mammoths, elephant birds that were over 3 meters (10 feet) tall and weighed almost half a tonne, great lizards and reptiles like the dinosaurs. Ocean creatures were larger and more numerous, like giant squids, and even a giant water scorpion that lived 330 million years ago.

Historians and Archeologists tell us that our ancestors were taller, stronger, but they won't tell us that they were giants, and for many obvious reasons. Among all those reasons, likely to be the most important of all, is that we simply don't know what happened to them.




The stones

Some of the stones used in the megalithic monuments were carried from distant places by methods not clearly understood yet, for instance, the nearest source of stones of the size represented by the large sarsens at Stonehenge is on the Marlborough Downs, about 30km (18mi) to the NE, and the 'blue-stones' were transported from over 100 miles away. Granite stones for Sacsayhuaman, of weighs between 361 tons - 440 tons, were transported 20 miles over mountains terrain. The source of other stones like the Carnac Stones, Cromeleque dos Almendres, and Pedra Montada, remains unkown. Could they have been carried from places much farther than what is believed? What would it mean if we discovered similar structures on other planets?

Speculations of a connection between the pyramids in Egypt and planet Mars have arisen when a humanoid face was photographed among pyramidal sructures in a region of Mars called Cydonia Mensae, in a picture taken by Viking 1 on July 25, 1976. Debates around the uncanny formation seemed to have settled after new higher-resolution images suggested that it was just an optical illusion. But still there is something significant to know: Is there any correlation whatsoever between the soil and rocks on Mars and the stones of the quarries and pyramids in Egypt?

Egypt:

Egypt is a country rich in stone and was sometimes even referred to as the "state of stone". There was an abundance in Egypt both in quantity and variety of stones, from soft limestone and alabaster through harder sandstone to granite and basalt. From the Third Dynasty (about 2700 BC), stone was used extensively in construction. Most of the material used was fairly rough, low grade limestone used to build the pyramid core, while fine white limestone was often employed for the outer casing as well as to cover interior walls, though pink granite was also often used on inner walls. Basalt or alabaster was not uncommon for floors, particularly in the mortuary temples and as was mudbricks to build walls within the temples (though often as not they had limestone walls).

The ancient basalt quarries of Widan Al-Faras (Ears of the Horse), so named after two hills which stand as a prominent geological feature at Gabal Qatrani, lie in the north of Fayoum about 80km southwest of Cairo. Not only do they form the best preserved ancient geological landscape from ancient Egypt, but this is also the oldest and most extensively-used basalt outcrop. There are no known archaeologically preserved equivalents anywhere else in the world.

(sources: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/material.htm ; http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/788/hr1.htm)


Pyramids:
Using ion beams, Demortier analyzed pieces of material from the pyramid, dated between 2551 and 2528 BC. His collaborators have determined alumino-silicate compounds. "In the 1970s, Josephs Davidovits studied chemical composition of polymers, with the aim of finding a fire-proof material. He discovered geo-polymer and some years later found out that the pyramid blocks have nearly the same composition. Upon his initiative I analyzed the matterial and found out that it is synthetic, not natural, especially because of the lixivial stone." Said in a much-simplified way, Guy Demortier asserts that the Egyptians built pyramids on the left bank of Nile from a kind of concrete, composed of 85 percent of limestone and of 15 percent of binder, containing water and natron; the latter is an alkaline sodium compound occurring in this area.
(source: http://srs.dl.ac.uk/arch/what-the-papers-say/Demortier/DELO-article-translation.htm)

The pyramid samples contained microconstituents (μc's) with appreciable amounts of Si (silicon) in combination with elements, such as Ca (calcium) and Mg (magnesium), in ratios that do not exist in any of the potential limestone sources. The intimate proximity of the μc's suggests that at some time these elements had been together in a solution. Furthermore, between the natural limestone aggregates, the μc's with chemistries reminiscent of calcite and dolomite—not known to hydrate in nature—were hydrated. The ubiquity of Si and the presence of submicron silica-based spheres in some of the micrographs strongly suggest that the solution was basic. Transmission electron microscope confirmed that some of these Si-containing μc's were either amorphous or nanocrystalline, which is consistent with a relatively rapid precipitation reaction. The sophistication and endurance of this ancient concrete technology is simply astounding.
(source: http://www.geopolymer.org/news/cutting-edge-analysis-proves-davidovits%E2%80%99-pyramid-theory)

Samples from six different sites at the traditionally associated quarries of Turah and Mokattam have been studied using thin-section, chemical X-Ray analysis and X-Ray diffraction. The results were compared with pyramid casing stones of Cheops, Teti and Seneferu. The quarry samples are pure limestone consisting of 96-99% Calcite, 0.5-2.5% Quartz, and very small amount of dolomite, gypsum and iron-alumino-silicate. On the other hand the Cheops and Teti casing stones are limestone consisting of: calcite 85-90% and a high amount of special minerals such as Opal CT, hydroxy-apatite, a silico-aluminate, which are not found in the quarries. The pyramid casing stones are light in density and contain numerous trapped air bubbles, unlike the quarry samples which are uniformly dense. If the casing stones were natural limestone, quarries different from those traditionally associated with the pyramid sites must be found, but where? X-Ray diffraction of a red casing stone coating is the first proof to demonstrate the fact that a complicated man-made geopolymeric system was produced in Egypt 4,700 years ago.
(source: http://www.world-mysteries.com/pex_7.htm)

Mars:

Using atmospherically-corrected TES emissivity spectra, [1] and [2] identified two major surface types on Mars: basalt and andesite.
From low-resolution (1 ppd) global maps of the distributions of the two surface types, [1] concluded that the basalt is restricted to the cratered terrain, and andesite is concentrated primarily in the northern lowlands, but also has significant concentrations throughout the cratered highlands.
(source: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002AGUSM.P31A..06R)

Close inspection reveals a host of rock types, from primitive volcanic material like olivine-rich basalts to highly processed silica-rich rocks such as granite, the study found. The diversity implies that the surface rocks have been reconstituted many times over an extended period of time, perhaps into the present era.

Christensen explained: "You melt the mantle and you get olivine basalts; you melt them again and you get basalt; you melt that and you make andesite; you melt that and you make dacite; you melt that and you make granite."

Mars is "a very complex world underneath that veneer of basalt," Christensen said.
(source: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050706_mars_diverse.html)

The analyzed rocks were partially covered by dust but otherwise compositionally similar to each other. They are unexpectedly high in silica and potassium, but low in magnesium compared to martian soils and martian meteorites.
(source: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/278/5344/1771)

Although the first APXS soil analysis (A-2) was reported to be almost identical to Viking soils, ssubsequent analyses demonstrate some variability and a few significant differences from Viking analyses. Specifically, soils at the Pathfinder site generally have higher aluminum and magnesium, and lower iron, chlorine, and sulfur. Scooby Doo, which appears to be a sedimentary rock composed primarily of compacted soil, also exhibits a few chemical differences form the surrounding soils.
(source: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/MPF/science/mineralogy.html)

NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit has found a patch of bright-toned soil so rich in silica that scientists propose water must have been involved in concentrating it.

The silica-rich patch, informally named "Gertrude Weise" after a player in the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League, was exposed when Spirit drove over it during the 1,150th Martian day, or sol, of Spirit's Mars surface mission (March 29, 2007). One of Spirit's six wheels no longer rotates, so it leaves a deep track as it drags through soil. Most patches of disturbed, bright soil that Spirit had investigated previously are rich in sulfur, but this one has very little sulfur and is about 90 percent silica.

Silica commonly occurs on Earth as the crystalline mineral quartz and is the main ingredient in window glass. The Martian silica at the Gertrude Weise patch is non-crystalline, with no detectable quartz.
(source: http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20070521a.html)


Conclusion

Basalt and granite are a commom for both Mars and Egypt, but no limestone was ever found on Mars. Limestone is a sedimentary rock, it's presence would indicate that there were once oceans or large lakes there. Egypt is rich in limestone because it was covered by the sea during the Cretaceous Period.

Silica, aluminum, and magnesium are also found on both the Martian soil and on the composition of the pyramids. This would be of little significance, if not for the Opal CT, a rare substance on Earth, found in considerable amounts on the Egyptian pyramids.

Silica is silicon dioxide, non-crystalline silica like Gertrude Weise on Mars when hydrated is known as Opal-A, it's an amorphous silica and a necessary ingredient to produce Opal CT. Under atmospheric conditions of temperature and pressure, Opal-A would over time turn into Opal CT, and then microquartz. Silica will also combine with aluminum in the presence of magnesium or calcium, thus forming alumino-silicate compounds, and that's also what Demortier collaborators have found on the pyramids.

Joseph Davidovits, who analyzed the stones of the pyramids wrote "High amount of Silica exists in the casing stone of Cheops and Teti, yet, in the associated quarries there is only quartz and no presence of Opal CT. The presence of Opal CT in the casing stone of Cheops does not indicate that it is naturally occuring, since Opal CT is not found in the quarries."

My question is where did the Egyptians get the amorphous (non-crystalline) silica in high amounts to produce their pyramids, when that substance doesn't commonly occur on Earth?

. . .

Now, what if part of the raw material used to build the pyramids were brought from Mars?

I know, that's crazy, but here's the list:

*2.4 million blocks, weighing 2.5 tons each, cut, carried and and put together with millimetric precision by 'people using simple instruments';

*They were fitted together so perfectly that the tip of a knife cannot be inserted between the joints even to this day;

*Granite quarried nearly 800 km away in Aswan with blocks weighing as much as 60-80 tonnes, was used for the King's Chamber and relieving chambers;

*The casing stones of the Great Pyramid and Khafre's Pyramid (constructed directly beside it) were cut to such optical precision as to be off true plane over their entire surface area by only 0.5 mm;

And the list goes on and on...

John Anthony West writes in reference to Egypt in particular: "How does a complex civilization spring full blown into being? Look at a 1905 automobile and compare it to a modern one. There is no mistaking the process of 'development'. But in Egypt there are no parallels. Everything is right there from the start."

An interesting thing about Aswan is that it is one of the driest inhabited places in the world; as of early 2001, the last rain there was 6 years earlier. As of 18 May 2007, the last rainfall was a thunderstorm on May 13, 2006. In Nubian settlements, they generally do not bother to roof all of the rooms in their houses.

Is it possible that the whole city of Aswan stands on the soil brought from Mars?

Pictures of Aswan:


No blue light penetrates the martian atmosphere, as it is absorbed by dust, giving the sky it's red color.




The real quarry

What would have happened if the former dwellers of the Earth started using earthly resources to build their gigantic temples here? The Earth would most certainly be full of gigantic holes, sort of like these:



Those are accepted today as 'meteor impact holes'.  Are most of them impact craters? I don't know. Are all of them meteor impact holes? Definitely not.

The first thing to ask is: If the soil was soft enough to absorb the impact and create holes, how could have the meteors exploded and disappeared?

Not that they can't explode, but if they did explode there's something crucial to be asked...

The second thing to ask is: Why the nearly perfect spherical holes? What does it take for an object to crash and make a spheral hole? The first indispensable requirement is a perfect spherical object, meteors and asteroids tend to have irregular shapes, but let's suppose that all of them are perfect round structures. For that round structure to make a perfect hole it has to move on a perfect vertical line towards a surface, otherwise the hole would be egg-shaped, wider than deeper. The next thing needed after we have a perfect round object falling on a perfect vertical line, is for the object to hit a surface that is softer than itself, so that it can imprint it's mark, and then mysteriously disappear. If the object exploded it would make a total mess and ruin all the previous perfect conditions.

Asteroid 253 Mathilde, discovered in 1880 by Johann Palisa, has an area of 52 km² (32mi), and 2 of it's largest 'impact craters' are respectively 29.3 km (18mi) and 33.4 km (20mi) wide. They are wider than the asteroid's average radius! Mathilde has at least 5 craters larger than 20km (12mi) in diameter on the roughly 60% of the body viewed by the Galileo spacecraft in 1993.

How could those immense, successive, devastating 'impacts' not have completely destroyed that asteroid made of chalk? Either some extremely strange force held it in place and steady, or that what we call impact craters may be a totally different thing.

The pattern on Mars:



Mercury - holes found: zillions, meteors found: 0?



This next picture is a very peculiar and strong proof that not only has intelligent life visited Mars before us, but that scientists are well informed of that. Here you can see two triangular shaped rocks that had their upper parts sliced off. They were carefully positioned in the center of the image taken by the probe, two of a kind side by side among thousands of other ordinary rocks:



The name of that previous picture is Twin Peaks 


A message?

As strange as it may sound I'm not interested in conspiracies, ufos, and I don't believe in reptilians, what I know now is that something very important happened in the past, and that story is not being told in school books. So, what's the meaning of all this? The stones, the temples, the legends, the marks on other planets, us, what is it all about? One thing is clear, those that lived long before us were very careful with the places that they've chosen to settle their civilizations, and with the materials that they used to build their cities. They were so diligent with their work that they left their unmistakable traces in all parts of the world to be found thousands of years later, and these traces would lead to a serious implication, that we were invited to take part in this creation.

One could picture the human race as fishes in an aquarium, but I think that what time has shown is that we are co-authors of a masterpiece, and we are just beginning. The question is now upon us, what honourable everlasting legacy are we leaving behind for the generations in the future?


Curiosities

The megalith of Pedra Montada stands about 4km (2.4mi) from where I live, and when it's not too hot I sometimes get my bike and go there. It's kind of difficult because it's an ascent, so at some points I have to get off the bike and walk it past the slopes. The way back is great, running over 60km (37mi) an hour on a bike you get to feel the wind and the ground real good. Now my brakes are not so good so I avoid going that fast.

Last time I went there I brought my camera with me and found that there is a stone much larger than the Pedra Montada, it looks like a huge crocodile behind the trees.



That thing is more than 10m (32 feet) long, and possibly weighs over 100 tons.

Another one that caught my attention is this half stone that is partially buried in the ground. Whoever sliced that stone used a very good instrument, it left no marks or slivers like one would expect from a sawing.




While researching sources of amorphous silica I found out about this substance called diatomaceous earth. It is composed of fossilized remains of diatoms, a type of hard-shelled algae, and it's usually over 97% amorphous silica. 30 million years ago the diatoms built up into deep, chalky deposits of diatomite, sometimes thousands of feet under the ancient lake floor and seabed. The diatoms are mined and ground up to render a powder that looks and feels like talcum powder to us.

So, to consider the possibility that the builders of the pyramids were mining that product at such depths and processing it to mix it with limestone at 10% could be just as wild of an idea as the possibility that the silica was brought from Mars, except for two details, neither the product nor pits that deep were ever found in Egypt, on the other hand if you take a look at Mars...

An analysis of the microscopic structure of the silica on diatomaceous earth and the silica found on the pyramids should be able to clarify this.


Final notes

One day while writing this I started having serious doubts whether I should continue or not, it all sounds too insane for my taste even though I was inspired to start writing after my recent findings from researches on megaliths. I was out in the backyard looking at the stars and thinking about stopping and deleting everything, I don't want to play the fool or mislead people, so I asked for a sign, a good and clear indication that I was either right and should continue, or that I was totally wrong and should quit and forget all this, whatever I was shown I would understand and follow. Well, I went to bed and had a non-lucid dream in which I was on the beach and a few meteors started falling from the sky crashing into the sand and the sea leaving a trail of dust and smoke in the air. Most of them were the size of a car, the first one hit the water, the second one hit the sand, the third fell to the far right of my view, and I was starting to worry that one of them could hit my head, you know, when you're not lucid dreams can make a perfect depiction of reality. Then there was silence, everything was quiet when a massive meteor about the size of a basketball court crashed into the sand 100 meters (320 feet) in front of me and sunk. When the dust settled I saw it had formed a heart-shaped hole. Woke up after that and thought it was some kind of joke, a heart-shaped hole, alright, anyways, none of the meteors exploded, so at least I had a small confirmation. It was only late that day when I decided to make a search on 'heart-shaped craters', guess what I found? A heart-shaped crater on Mars, and what is this inside of the crater? A meteor. Now I'm totally convinced, so I had to finish the article.
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Recommended websites:

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/extremasonry.htm    -    Impossible objects
http://www.skybooksusa.com/time-travel/experime/paleozoi.htm    -    Impossible findings 
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/top50stones.htm     -    The largest cut-stones of all time
http://www.s8int.com/greatpyramid.html    -    The Great Pyramid

Recommended videos:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4848668803639628771&q=forbidden+archeology&total=67&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2    -    Forbidden archeology (THIS IS AWESOME, A MUST SEE!) (Special guest appearance of Max Cavalera from Soulfly at 17:22)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV6bVF9I-uI   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lX3IGxu86w   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnj1p6coi0   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMnFJkUTnc   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prfirgGmzb8   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-QtFMNkihw   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSoH7YANptM   -    Pyramid mysteries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzh_04peCI   -    Incredible Egyptian technology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzok29ugiS4   -    Bases on the Moon and "out of place" artifacts

The dimensions I gave of the Pedra Montada were innaccurate, I went there today and they have no informations on the age or dimensions of the stone  but visually I estimate 7 m x 3 m x 2,5 m. There are probably more than 50 other huge stones in the surrounding are, and even along the road, most of them weighting surely over 1 ton.

I've got a very interesting thought, but I'll start another topic as it is very important, and I believe those that want to know the truth about our planet, our solar system and our existence have the right to know.

That's exactly what I thought when I first saw the image. I don't know, lately I've been considering the possibility that the Earth has been visited by giants in the past, I'm now fascinated by megaliths and researching everywhere. Here in my city there's a structure of a giant round stone standing over another called Pedra Montada (Riding Stone). Each of the stones may weight more than 15 tons, 3 x 3 x 2,5 meters large and they stand on a hillside, it looks like it can fall apart at anytime, but it probably has been there for 7.000 years.



Similar mysterious structures have been found everywhere in the world and most of them are at least 4.000 years old.

Very interesting experience, good job!

A New Age indian 

Ya, interesting, sounds like an analogy, the space is what we consider 'outside'. I guess he means that some people believe that life is only possible while 'inside'.

Can you describe the place?

I stumbled upon this by accident while researching other things and it surprised me that it wasn't spoken of in the news nor anywhere else that I know. Someone has found a very clear face of an Indian carved in the mountains of Alberta, Canada. The coordinates are 50° 0'38.20"N 110° 6'48.32"W. You can also see it through Wikimapia: http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=50.010607&lon=-110.113521&z=15&l=9&m=a&v=2

I've spotted 5 other faces there in the surrounding area beside the helmetted one, all facing West.

I'm transcribing the words of a dying man who was attacked with a sword after trying to burglarize a house. He was taken to a hospital, incredibly, still alive with half a head, no arms, and God knows what other wounds he had.


0:03-
screams of pain

0:09-
Where is it man?

0:13- 
I'm listening (?)

0:18-
Oh, I'm feeling cold

0:23-
It gets very cold

0:25-
I'm feeling cold, no... I'm feeling cold, I'm feeling cold

0:32-
Excuse me bro (reverse speech), I'm feeling cold, it's, it's cold in this 'Pranu'

0:36-
I'm feeling cold... Gusvaaaal... hum... hum...

0:43-
I'm gonna die... hm...

0:47-
I'm feeling cold! It's cold.. it's cold.. it's cold..

0:56-
hmm...hm...hm

0:59-
Oh it's cold

1:02-
That... that dude right over there

1:06-
Hello... João?

1:10-
Right, I'm coming (?)


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(?) means that the audio wasn't too clear, so I'm not totally sure.

'Excuse me bro' was said backwards, I wasn't understanding the words, sounded like mumble, so I tried to play it backwards and it became very clear, even the intonation was right.

I googled 'Pranu' and found about a burial ground in Italy dated from the Neolithic period, stands for 'Highland'.

Gusval could have been a name.

Hello (Alô) is only used when talking on the phone, when meeting someone in person we say Oi (Hi).  João = John.

You should try, owenp185. It's weird because all of the times that I've tried to get more info on the afterlife the same thing happened, either the character that I'm talking to is taken away, or I am, or I lose my voice and my movements. I won't try that anymore, but it would be good to know how others would do.

Not sure who that girl on the couch was, looked like something from the past, maybe XVI century. It was a mix of LD, OBE and AP. My first memory was that of the TV screen, from that point to when I went out through the window it was LD. Then OBE to my room, and next AP outside.

Watching a TV screen, there was a girl alone in a small house, sitting on a couch, and it was snowing outside, she wanted to get out but could not. It was raining when I looked out of the window where I was, I didn't recognize the place, then I thought "Nah, this won't stop me from going outside".

Went out the window floating and dancing in the rain like a madman, it was dark and the clouds were thick. Can't remember where I landed, next thing I know I'm in an astral version of my room.

I watched the astral TV for a couple of minutes, some very interesting things, then I went for the astral radio, wanted to hear some rock music. When I turned it on there was a very fine tune playing, first the solo guitar, then the lyrics. I chose 2 lines to remember, but can only remember 1 now, because I prolonged the experience afterwards. It reminded me of Soundgarden, the lyrics went like:

I can even see my fear...



I enjoyed hearing that song so much. Back to the TV I started talking to it, there were a few questions I needed answer for, so I expected the TV to magically reply to me. It kinda worked, but I didn't like it too much, so I went outside.

There were a lot of people in this gym, there was a game going on, girls playing handball. Still looking for answers I walked by the side of the court when the ball went out the sideline. I asked the girl who was going to throw the ball back into the game "In the astral, can a person use a computer?", she said "Yes.", and threw the ball. Not fully convinced, I went to ask another girl. I didn't want to be annoying and disturb their game, but I needed a second opinion "Can I use an astral computer?", and she said "Yes.". Well, this one sounded more reliable, more like a 'Yes, of course.'

I kept on walking, there was a guy ahead leaned on a wall watching the game, I decided to ask him a more detailed question:

- Hi, I am a musician and a producer, and I'm afraid that when I die I won't be able to do the things that I've been doing on Earth, I have many unfinished projects, so, will I still be able to do everything?

He turned to face me and his eyes were huge, not like an alien, but of abnormal size, spooky, but he was nice. He smiled and said:

-Yes, everything and some more!

Wow, now I was happy to hear that, so I wanted to know more:

- Really? More like what?

- It's risky, I should not tell you, it's meant to...

Just as he was saying that a girl came out of nowhere with a group of some people to alert him:

- Hey, what's going on here? Are you going to tell him??? (or something along these lines)

My mouth was now stuck, I couldn't move my jaw and I had no voice anymore. Concerned that I might be causing trouble I turned my back on them and jumped through the dimensions and into my body.

Woke up sweating, my teeth were pressing tight against each other, it felt like I was back from a very profound dive.

Only now I can see a pattern in my experiences, going outside after watching the astral TV or listening to the astral radio I usually see people practising sports. Also, I would like to apologize to the astral beings, I'm sorry, I won't ask about the afterlife anymore.

That's pretty cool, I've also experienced the fantastic vocal possibilities in the astral dimension, but in regards of pitch it was never something too far from reality, mostly holding notes longer than a human possibly could.

An interesting thing though, it's nearly impossible to tune an astral guitar, and almost nearly impossible to play the chords you want right, for me at least. I'm sure the singers and musicians from heaven can do some incredible stuff!

Tongo, only your heart can tell, as long as it is filled with love for all the creatures.



No, seriously, everything that you experience while not awake can be called 'dreaming', the different names refer to the varying intensity and realism of the experiences, and the level of your self-awareness.

From lower to higher awareness:

Dream - Lucid Dream - Astral Projection - O.B.E - R.I.P.

I do, sometimes we need that 'little help' to understand the things that we do and what it is all about. Even before the official life review at death, the consequences of our wrong doings are immediate, they appear in our dreams and lives, but it's just so easy to ignore them and keep going without changing.

That's right, nice account of yours, and these experiences are not rare. Yesterday I had a validation that involved a message that was voiced to me by a character in a non lucid dream, and a possible glitch.

The dream was very short and straight to the point, I was given word of a kidnapping of a person that I will call 'Mary'. This saddened me a lot, I began to cry asking 'Why, why?'. The possible glitch was that there should be another person there with the character that gave me the message, I missed that person there, but even that wasn't enough to make me conscious.

When I woke up disturbed by that possibility, I talked to Mary's mother at about 10:30 am, and she told me that Mary was asleep and fine. I told her about my dream and asked her to tell her daughter to be alert.

Later yesterday Mary went to a birthday party and left her car on a different block, since there was no space to park on the block where the party was taking place. After the party is over, she returned to where she left her car, the alarm was ringing and the doors were opened. They have tried to take her car, but haven't stolen anything.

CFTraveler,

Exactly, as a tool, basically it works for it's symbolic value. The most interesting aspect of the telephone is the possibility of receiving informations without necessarily seeing where they are coming from. Not having to worry about who might be behind the scene makes it very comfortable for us to simply accept that the information is coming from an unknown external source, it's reliability is also unknown. As I understand, anything that you can think of that could operate in the same fashion would suffice.

The seashell sounds like a good idea, a hole in a tree, a sphinx, a religious object to a devotee, or anything that can produce sound. I have experienced exchanging messages through a small ground level cloud that acted like a pigeon carrier, and also the suggested telepathic signal.


T.L.,

You're right, I also differentiate lucid dreaming from astral projection, specially by the clarity and realism of the projection, which sometimes makes lucid dreaming feel like child's play. Technically though, they are having similar experiences, for they're both asleep and experiencing an alternate reality, but with varying degrees of awareness, like you said.

I should have depicted the average lucid dreamer with a mix of gray and yellow, that would show the extent to which they are fascinated, and thus limited by the visuals. Lucid dreamers tend to be much more cautious about their surroundings.

This raises another question: If someone is half lucid, can he still make a contact? I'd say no, for he won't be able to think outside the thresholds, but he could probably receive impressions. I don't know how those would be interpreted though, since he's not aware enough to conceive anything beyond his domain. Maybe he would get glitches, like faulty perception of places and people, hmmmm...

Thank you, I'll make some corrections.

[So, who are these people and what are they doing?]

These last few days I felt inspired to write this essay, got interesting ideas derived from experimentation and reading I've been doing, so I decided to put it all on text. Hopefully someone will find some of the things in this material useful for their astral explorations.


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Good old Broken Files


The astral world certainly doesn't seem to be the most suitable place to be called 'home', with all it's landscapes, trees and houses that disappear after a second look, but it's ever changing environment is surely a great ground for explorers, travelers, passersby and most interestingly, maybe operators.

Things over there are very much like things on Earth. The most common scenario encountered by astral projectors is to find people behaving just like they would in the physical world, this is, going up and down about their own things in total oblivion as to greatness of the reality that they are in.

Now if you stop for a while and pay enough attention to the strangers, you might see that most of them operate in a very predictable manner, usually in groups and involved with the same basic things, and this makes us feel like it's always our first day in school. It's like they are on automatic mode, completely inserted in their activities and supposed 'daily duties'. But remember, unlike here on Earth there's no routine in the astral, you might go out the door one day and see skyscrapers, then go out that same door the next day and watch the ships come ashore.

So, who are these people and what are they doing?

You can easily answer this by analyzing them, but let me give some pointers:

Do you recognize them?

If you're seeing a known figure, it can be the real person or your image of the real person.

How can one tell the difference?

Simply by their reaction in seeing you. Let's suppose you're able to make a real trip to the Moon, and, upon arriving there you are met with an old friend, what would you do? You could be surprised, greet, hug, be happy, excited, that's the most natural reaction of any real person. Why does one think the same thing can't apply to the astral?

When somebody you know doesn't have that natural reaction of being surprised and greeting you, you can safely dismiss it as it is not the real thing. It doesn't matter if you regularly see that person on Earth, don't forget that if it is real then you are both momentarily sharing a different state of consciousness. You should always be looking for a sincere positive reaction, specially surprise.

Another thing to check is their ability to maintain a conversation, imaginary subjects are poor in expressing themselves and their emotions, they might not even reply at all, but I'll cover this more ahead.

In the astral, a real person should always be happy and surprised in finding another real person.


And what if I'm seeing a real person who is unconscious?

Many dreamers fancy about waking up the dream characters and having them enjoy the wonders of lucidity, but find that they don't really understand what is being said, neither show any kind of emotion that could confirm that they are conscious indeed. Don't get frustrated or worry too much about this, actually, in my experience at least, there's no such thing as a 'real person who is unconscious'.

Being unconscious is like being a piece inside someone else's game, in this case, it is the game of the subconscious mind. To the unaware dreamer there is no will of his own, just the will of the character that he is portraying. Without lucidity one is just as real as the story that is taking place in the dream, for this reason, you won't find any real person in the dreamworld unless he/she is conscious, because if they were unconscious, they would be inside the games of their own subconscious minds, playing endless roles and characters, and wouldn't be available to you.

In the astral, a real person is only reachable by another real person when he/she is conscious, and not while involved in the games of their own subconscious minds.



What about the other explorers?

They are there, and we've learned that being lucid helps us access them or have them access us, but you can't actually see them, at least not initially.

The fact is that vision is a fantastic tool, but only when you're using it, not when you're being used by it. Consider this, how could a blind person become lucid in a dream?

For a start, blind people don't really dream like we do, they experience kinetic sensations and sounds, so that leaves them with very little to operate when most of the techniques involve noticing something different in the scenario. One thing they could do is to attend to weird sensations like floating and flying, which is the same thing that we do, only we add visuals to that.

Now I ask you:

If you are blind and you're in front of me, how can you know that I am real?


...perhaps by touch...


Yes, and what if you can't see me nor touch me?


...perhaps by talking...


But let's suppose that you're confronted with a very tricky situation where you're standing in front of a robot that is programmed to ask and answer certain questions, you'd still be able to touch it and "communicate" with it, yet, is it real?

No, it is a broken file.

Broken files are everywhere in our dreams, they are images of people that we have seen during our lives, and they occupy the spaces where the real files should be, therefore, what we can access through these broken files is very limited. When questioned, some of them may change into objects, animals, or simply disappear.

Generally speaking, in my experiences I could identify at least 3 basic reasons for the presence of characters, they were there to either:

*Aid: telling me where to go, how to find this or that, etc.

*Disturb: blocking me from getting what I wanted and from going where I wanted, etc.

*To occupy space: on buses, trains, subways, streets, school, work, etc.


Now a problem arises, the situation is, whatever they are there for there's one common result, they will be all around you, anywhere you go they will be there. It's not difficult to conclude that being conscious helps us escape from being a piece in the game of the subconscious mind, but we're still on it's board, and it's other pieces are there still moving around us.



Breaking the constraints

There is no use in trying to look for other explorers among the broken files, because the astral is specially known to react to our desires in the following manner:

1st) there's a desire to see, so it appears;
2nd) there's a desire to experience the visions, so it becomes, and we integrate them.

That would just end up creating another fake character. Also, it is likely that the other minds are still on their own boards, but if they are conscious, they just might be able to hear you.

What you do is send out a signal, a thought expressing your intention to communicate with another creative being, just like a bat or a dolphin would do in the nature to explore the environment. The primary idea is to establish a connection with a sentient mind, so it's best not to try to look for a figure or a location, but to wait for a special feedback, which can come as a voice, an external thought, a message in a cloud, etc.

After getting that positive response, it's possible to trace the source of that information. The order I suggest for this procedure is:

1st) Hear - send/receive signal
2nd) Feel - establish connection and trace the source
3rd) See - acknowledge the source

Below there's a simplified scheme of how the communication between minds can occur through the astral dimension. The yellow circles represent the fully lucid dreamers or projectors, the gray circles represent the broken files, the black background represents the board where the dream takes place, the blue background represents the astral plane, and the green lines are signals emitted by the minds that, after successfully escaping the dream thresholds non-materialized, propagate indefinitely.



Contacts can be requested beforehand, like a meeting with a guide, with a friend; can be induced by sending the signal while conscious in the astral; can happen totally spontaneously, however, when the dominant desire is more related to the physical experience (ie: seeing, touching), than with the mental experience (ie: communicating, learning), it won't pass through the dream threshold, and the subconscious mind will satisfy that desire by providing broken files and environments.

Non-materialized thoughts will propagate indefinitely outside the dream thresholds.


A promising route

Probably one of the most objective ways that I've found to demonstrate my intention to establish contact with an outside source is to use the astral telephone. Recently I've been experimenting with it and had some fantastic results communicating with unknown voices. For more than five minutes I talked to a voice and had a high number of very important questions answered, though I never thought I would get the answers for those questions. There's much more I wish to try, this is still very new. Often I get shivers while communicating due to the fact that, so far, most of the things that I've heard were totally unexpected, to say the least.

Ancient cultures worshiped oracles that supposedly gave them instructions straight from the Gods, some of those oracles were extraordinarily accurate. Now, the astral telephone might not always be such a trustworthy tool, nevertheless I'd say to everyone that wishes to find out how far can they delve into the unknown, go ahead and pick up your astral telephones! You don't need to type numbers, just wait and listen, but be careful not to let yourself be affected by what you might hear.

Five out of six experiences that I've had were positive, one specially was simply awesome, I couldn't believe the things I was hearing. One another was not so good and I didn't like what was said, the voice didn't seem to be very reasonable. All in all, it's a very interesting thing to try.





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Note that this is a theory, it is not perfect. All feedback is welcome, questions, comments, personal experiences that confirm or oppose these ideas, etc. I might update the text and add more subtitles as I find more information, for now I think this pretty much sums up my recent investigations and inclinations.

Why does everybody call him Orgybus?

lol

How did that exchange of words occur, he was speaking but you weren't hearing?

Also, have you ever had experiences of using astral telephones, and what happened?

That sounds very cool! Were these beings working on the machines? What did you feel they were doing?

Don't know if it had to do with this, I didn't participate in the meditation, but suddenly I noticed that I had been awake for more than 24 hours and wasn't feeling sleepy. When I went to bed I might have slept for some 5-6 hours only (my average is 10 hours) and have no remembrance of dreaming, which is totally unusual. Now woke up and I'm not feeling tired.

Hey, thank you for sharing that! These experiences people have posted these last few days have really inspired me to start writing something very cool, they have given me great ideas.

Ops, yes, I was lucid, not from the start though.

Thanks wow_nonamesleft and Sarah!

Ah, I try to avoid flying as much as I can, and use it only as the last resort because most of the time I have a hard time controlling it. Either I end up passing the place where I wanted to land or, most incredibly, I get stuck in the air and can't make a descent. There was a trick to counteract that, which was to make my legs heavy and then move downwards vertically, but now this rarely works and takes a huge effort.

So your flying style is kinda what I would imagine a saint would fly like, have you always flown like that?

When you said 'Court of the Crimson King' I thought it was a novel, even being a fan of British rock I'm not sure if I've heard their music before, but now I'm checking some of their clips on youtube and... 'Islands' is already my favourite 

There could possibly be some kind of subconscious link between that album and this title.

I'm so brave 

starsdidntloveme, you must tell that to your doctor, he will surely prescribe you sleeping pills. Without prescription you might want to look for phytotherapic medicine, specially passiflora pills.

Meanwhile, put a lampshade, lay down in bed and pretend to sleep, even if you have to pretend for hours and hours, just don't quit.

Don't worry about the negs, I'll play with them.