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I don't think we are supposed to live in our dreams.

Ok, I have to ask, why do you think that?  

We learn in all of our realities. We experience there as well. I agree we chose" to incarnate here to have a "Human" physical experience this time around and for that reason we should respect it as such. But it doesn't mean we need to forget all of our past experiences. Gaining "knowledge" and learning anew is always well received, no matter where that learning takes place.  

Robert Moss says "Dreaming is waking up".  
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/dreaming_is_waking_up-t39742.0.html

My dreams (around 50-75% of them) now don't have a "dream" category, because I can't differentiate them from the "physical" world anymore. Of course I can, but after I deserved my awareness in them, it is like a huge gift when You dream. 3-4-5 dreams/night-morning. I was always a good dreamer, but now that is my second life already, and days pass by while I'm "there" also.

I agree, its a "huge gift" when you can be conscious in the daytime and still hold a certain amount of conscious control at nighttime, without it interrupting in your actual physical sleep cycle. You still get the rest that your body needs. With some people it's "automatic". Whereas others have work on it.

But I can also understand why the majority of people can't do this. It could actually create a mental imbalance if you don't understand fully what is going on and why. Many people have a hard time being conscious in this current physical reality as it is, without having to juggle 2 or 3 others at the same time.

I have found in my travels across the country though that some people do it regularly as many here do as well. One lady I met calls it "Dream Walking" and her and her daughter are quite proficient with it. Robert Moss calls it "Active Dreaming" and he has done some great research on it, including the Tibetan's, Egyptian's and Shamanistic takes on it. Every culture seems to have their own "definitions" of what is occurring. But when push comes to shove, they are all talking about the same thing. That is why I believe that we should never just simply write off or downplay our Ancient pasts and teachings, like so many people do.

This is very similar to what I have experienced. I have tested this several times.
Not everyone in the non physical realms reacts that way but the vast majority do.
As it turns out the ones who do not react with fear are some of the most interesting people I have met while OBE (or in the body, as well).

I have experienced this as well. Here is a post I made back on July 19th/2012. It occurred on July 12th though. I have had many similar experiences to it since that. Enough to know that revealing that you are "there", meaning bringing too much attention to yourself and or going against the rulesets of that environment that you find yourself in, will lead to a ban or time out of sorts. Who administers the ban? I have never found a definitive answer to that question as of yet. If you do a Forum search on Astral Police or even "Booted from the Astral", you will find some more interesting adventures that other members shared here as well. It happens enough that it is something you need to be conscious of before you react to the circumstance or situation at hand.

July 05/2012
" I would like to share a Flying experience I had yesterday during a vivid Lucid Dream. As soon as I saw I dreaming, I took control of the scenario. Bad idea, lol. I was flying high in the sky and enjoying it, doing barrel rolls all kinds of fun things. I saw a neighborhood beneath me, so I decided to land. The next thing I know I was sitting down at a picnic table with a man and a woman in their backyard. Anyways, we started talking about Hawaii. I had lived in Hawaii for 5 years of my "real" life. We were talking about exotic drinks and I brought up the Island Mai Tai. She had never had one before. So, I said I'll back in a bit, I figured I could make it to Hawaii  and back in no time at all, since I was controlling the event. I went to to fly, but I could only make it up so far. I ended landing on their neighbor's rooftop, skipping off it and then I crashed down to the ground right in front of a group of teenagers. I could hear their excitement when they saw this. At first they thought I was a UFO, but then they realized, when I had finally crash landed down in front of them, that I was human. They then started walking towards me. I got up and went to fly again, this time I got caught in a bunch of hydro/telephone wires, spun around and landed on a apartment rooftop. Now this apartment was adjoining another higher apartment and when I landed on the roof, I saw there were 2 police officers there that were talking to a group of people. Possibly due some other complaint, the Police saw me and gave chase. I ran to the end of the roof, jumped off, crash rolling to the ground. I then got up and ran down a alleyway. Once I finally knew I was alone, without any eyes on me, I tried to fly again. This time it was successful, I hit Mach speed in seconds. Then I woke up. I never did get the Mai Tai, lol. "

That post came from this thread here on the Astral Pulse. Some other members shared some interesting adventures of their own as well.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/describe_the_places_do_you_go_during_astral_projection_in_detail-t44642.0.html

Now in a Retrieval, you have all the tools at your disposal. Except for one important thing and that is you can not make the decision for the soul/consciousness itself. In the end, it is always "their" choice to move on or stay stuck. It sounds like you find yourself doing these as well Nameless. I find it sets your mood for the following day as well. There's a certain warmth you feel inside after you are successful with a Retrieval. 

 Could it be the "Dream Persona" is setting the stage for the current Dream Simulation? I find that my "Dream Persona" is totally different in some aspects from my waking self and that "it" creates situations that my "conscious waking mind" must then find resolutions too. In that way, it is doing what it takes to make me become conscious that I am Dreaming in the first place.  Could this be the "duty" of our Dream Persona's? Using whatever it can at it's disposal to aide us in not only becoming conscious, but also making conscious decisions in the NPR, thus teaching us how to navigate this area to our fullest abilities.

I find all of these realities to be "schools" of sorts. This physical realty included! Once again learning by experiencing.   

I have many LDs that seem to take place in the RTZ. But I find it's a "parallel RTZ" that I am experiencing. So many times I find myself in simulations where I don't know the people around me or the place I find myself in, but the people around me know me and the place I find myself in is my "home" at the time. I return to these parallel universes enough to realize the areas I find myself in. That's the bonus of using a Dream/AP Journal. You learn to connect the dots.

...and yes my AP's/OBEs seem to have a totally different feel and destination. They are all "non ordinary states of consciousness", but they seem to have a lot of very distinct differences. 

If the booting out was on my mind I would have accepted it as a manifestation. It wasn't and being told to rest was definitely not what I wanted to achieve that night.
I'm convinced there's more than we accept, astral police? Gimme a break, it's far deeper than that. Every time I get in a position that's at my percieved limits, something pushes me past it and failure isn't an option.

I agree Szaxx. This always brings me back to my questions about "structure, as in rules" in some of these Otherworlds.
I created a thread based on this titled "Tests, Quests and Challenges. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/tests_quests_and_challenges-t46546.0.html

  A simple forum search on "Astral Police" brings up some great conversations as well, even though the title "Astral Police" is so vague. As you said and I have also found out, it is far deeper then that.
All you can rely on is your own perception of what is, because in the end, that's all you have. 

 You ask a lot of non Astral related questions here.  

I think you need to get out and "live" a little. Sorry if you find that harsh, but it's the truth. Looking back at your more recent threads, they seem to all be questions that pertain to why we are put here in this life to experience in the first place. You are meant to learn by "YOUR" experience, not by everyone elses.

It seems like you are taking shortcuts here. You can only get so much from other people's opinions. Life is about experiencing. Good, bad, ugly, they are all experiences. You can't avoid the bad and ugly, that's where your true lessons lie.

You make friends, not all the time is it going to be "peaches and cream". But learn you from it.

If someone does you wrong, you are twice as leery the next time around. Unless of course you like life to "slap" you in the head many times before you can actually see the meaning. Some people have to be taught the same thing repeatedly until they finally understand the reason behind things.

Sorry again, I was "channeling" you there and I guess this is what you needed to hear on some level.

Good Luck!  

Does the dual awareness state differ from the sleeping projection in your experience? I could only dual perceive at the borderline of sleep and fleeting between focuses. Some people claim to dual experience as they walk around. Why do we normally require sleep or near sleep for this?

I think we need to "allow" our focus to change, thus creating the shift to occur. I don't think it has anything to do with sleep. Sleep is for the physical body to regenerate, rejuvenate and heal.

The dual experience does differ because when you are sleeping, you are only aware of one reality. The dual experience has you focused simultaneously on two realities at the same time.

The Tibetans' have a practice named "Tibetan Dream Yoga" whereas they stay aware the entire night as their physical vessel rests. I have had many nights where I stayed aware through the beginning stages and well into the Dream cycles. But I have never stayed aware an entire night. There were times that it felt like it though, lol!  

For anyone intrigued by the exploration of the relationship of music, frequency and consciousness, I can suggest an oddly attractive UK film about an alternate reality world with somewhat varied physics from ours; it's a romance with a couple good twists in it and a unique adventure.

By coincidence, it is simply called Frequencies.

It's a odd movie and has been on Showtime quite a bit lately. Actually it's been on continually for about 2 months now. I watched it a couple of months ago myself. But I see it in the listings often.

 It's funny that I just read this thread today because last night while just relaxing and listening to a 2 hour Robert Schoch interview on the Fade to Black Radio show with host Jimmy Church, I found myself all of a sudden able to see my immediate surroundings vividly. Like one does with their eyes open. I was wearing my "sleep mask" and I wasn't actively attempting to project.

I was so deep into the conversation and totally relaxed that the visual occurred spontaneously, without warning. I was feeling mild vibrations and hearing a bit of the gentle sound of the "Astral winds" in the background. But then all of a sudden I could see all around me in every direction. I then got up and moved around, but only as a consciousness. I then left my home and went down the road to a bridge over a river near our house. All the while I still could hear exactly what Robert and Jimmy were saying on the radio show. I had a very strong dual awareness. It was quite enjoyable. 

 Music in movies is made just for this this purpose. Every musical score in a movie is used to create "emotion".

Here is a composer that is a "Master" at his craft. Each song creates not only a memory, but also the emotion you felt in the movie when you heard it. It is also a great video to just lie back and "notice" to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYa3DLEKS6E

[What if you swallowed a fly or two--would it help you fly?]

What if you swallowed a fly or two--would it help you fly?

Why not just "morph" into a fly? 

I have found that 'counting' is one of the best ways for me to concentrate and focus. It is a basic component in my projection sequence.

I agree, I use counting quite a bit as well. Usually 1-300 (But many times I don't actually get to 300, I click out before it). But sometimes I like to mix it up and do 1-50 and back to 0 for a couple of cycles. It is a great "time consumer" as you await a transition to occur. I have a problem concentrating my breathing. So counting seems to distract that thought.

Is there an icon, object or even a character that you associate with lucidity?

Anyone I see, any destination I may be or any situation I find myself in that is not me in my bedroom sleeping soundly in my bed! 

The most damaging thing you can do is remove another person from this reality against their will (aka: kill another consciousness).
Why?  Because you're removing their ability to learn and grow... and nobody has the right to make that decision for another person (certain extremely rare circumstances aside, that is).

Unless of course that both of you made a agreement before you incarnated that he was to be the bad guy (killer) and you were the good guy (victim) this time around! Someone has to play the part of the "bad guy". Which opens a whole new conversation on "free will". 

You aren't physically awake.  If you were to record yourself while you were having a sleep paralysis experience, you wouldn't notice anything out of the ordinary.
While, at the time, you might be having what you think is the struggle of your life with your eyes wide open and trying in vain to move... the video of your physical body would simply look like it's having a good, deep sleep.

This video recorded at a Sleep Study Center shows otherwise. The person is certainly showing signs of physical stress from his bout of SP. He did state though that his eyes were closed, but he also exhibited signs of bodily stress, as in a struggle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXQQjaWxbuY

RM, please.....Total bovine excrement.............there is no stuck souls, and I know for fact lies, and more lies, and fakers wanting to belong. There is no places, no people there, anyone says they helped people get to other side are full of chit. Maybe a dream or something, cause I been to RM and there is nothing there, but people to scam you out your money............Sorry, you may be able to obe from teachings, but everything else is total BS, and I will confront anyone that claims different.

This guy really pisses me off, he may of had an OBE, but the rest is bull, or dream worlds created. For one no one talks about the most obvious feature when you OBE and can see the "real" world, or how they just somehow never had to learn how to move around, never scared of leaving body and can never actually help you, besides say goto RM place, hoping it would work for you, plus your thousands of dollars -_-  It just not like something you can just do automatically, because you read a book.

At best RM created a "world" that more and more people believe in, but I can assure you it is not a reality. It like going to heaven if you a Christian, and then later you find out it BS, cause it was all created by the human minds that believe in it. Human minds can create "levels" this guy created a fantasy and people followed, making it "real" on some level. If that, more probably people read that crap making your "dreams" make that real, not OBE.....and I will challenge anyone to a meeting place. Been to CP, NY and no-one nothing, and to his institute.....smh

Wow, such anger. 

...and what is this RM? Do you mean the Monroe Institute? I've never been and I purchased and read his book "after" my adventures in this area. This was one of the first experiences in this area I had every had and at the time I was new to Astral Projection period and wasn't familiar with Robert Monroe at all.  Just look at my opening line back in 2012 "This topic will be just for Retrievals. I haven't had the chance to read Bruce Moen's or the Monroe Institutes's information on them. "

I have found that for some reason that some people think that just because they haven't experienced something that it means it doesn't exist. You can post all of your OBEs and I am sure that you have experienced many things I haven't as well. That is the reason that I stopped posting my adventures on Forums, (I have Journals filled with them though), because some people tried to imitate them and compare them to their own. When they didn't match up they got angry like yourself.

We see what we need to see when we need to see it. My first goal/intent (still is today), in this practice was always to use what I was seeing and being taught to help others, no matter where those "others" may be. Through reading, videos and personal emails with Kurt Leland, I found that it is called "Invisible Helpers" and it was the name that was penned way before Robert Monroe by a woman named Annie Bessant back at the end of the 1800's.
Both of these videos will help you understand her theories and they are "FREE".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNzeIS_0K0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA12Xd3Zq0I

What is your intent for "non ordinary states of consciousness"? Why do you do it? Your intent will open the doors to your experiences.

I have the same issue. I have never met - even not in my childhood - any guides/helpers, didn't have imagery friend. I'm very friendly, got a big willpower, I would like to meet not just humans but many more and it is like - even if I ask for some presence - nobody is out there. I only met some greys or any aliens in dreams lastly and they were very friendly as me.
It is for a reason maybe. Maybe they don't want to interfere with my learning process - or I didn't allow them to show themselves clearly and loudly in mind yet, who knows. There are some guys who can project since years or decades and rarely met any helpers (or a very few) and others are seeing them all the time. It is an individual thing maybe. We have just clues about the background works lol.

I have found that we see who and what we "need" to see when we need to see or experience it. I actually use that as part of my nightly affirmations. To be shown what I need to see and taught what I need to learn. Then I trust that my wishes will be answered. I use the word "Please" quite a bit too, lol, (just for extra bonus points). No, I use the word "Please" often as a show of respect. 

Yeah.  The forum has been around for quite a time.  I've been doing everything on my own and with specialized groups up until recently.  It's silly for me to assume that everything hasn't already been talked to death.  I get caught in the heat of the moment at times.

No harm, no foul. Your passion is showing through!  

At least I feel better knowing I'm not the only one not getting straight answers. But then again maybe we are and we are just too dense to figure it out. I don't know if you can answer this but maybe so. My guide has always appeared blue. Like a dark watery blue. Any ideas what race this might be?

"Blue Avians" perhaps?
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=blue+avians&qpvt=blue+avians&qpvt=blue+avians&qpvt=blue+avians&FORM=IGRE

On the surface I would describe this as just another example of SP. BUT I have my doubts. How can I know if maybe there isn't something else going on?

Try to film it. It works for all those "Paranormal" movies we are being bombarded with. Otherwise you always have doubts. I still doubt what is exactly happening during some of my SP episodes. I know what I read and what is said about it, but to experience it for yourself is a "whole nother" ballgame. 

I have had SP scenarios that have led to great adventures. But I have also had episodes that felt like I was "taken". ...and this is coming from someone who actually practices "non ordinary states of consciousness, often.

Maybe someone here wants to make the rope technique both semi-useful and properly understood.  You could teach it as as two-part OB technique.

This in nothing new!

It's already been done a number of times over already. Just read some books or watch some videos on Astral Projection. You can find a number of posts on that subject on this very Forum here. Try using the search engine and you will see what I mean.

There used to be a helpful thread with 50 different focus techniques that one could use. Many of them were offshoots of the rope technique. Like for instance rowing, swimming, climbing a wall, sling shotting, all kinds of things. I'm sure it's here still. It most likely disappeared into the Astral Pulse "abyss".

This link has 30 techniques.
http://in5d.com/30-astral-projection-techniques/

No matter what technique you use, the key is to hold that focus. Watching a "candle burn" is great for this. Especially because it leaves a actual imprint in your focus window when you close your eyes. When the visual disappears, bring it back. Hold it for as long as you can. At first 5 seconds seems like a eternity. But after awhile you will find that you can hold that focus for much longer. Practice, practice, practice!

 You would be amazed at how deep just a simple focus on counting to 300 can take you.

You know yourself and know what you are good at and what you aren't. If you are good visualizing, you can create imagery. There are all kinds of things to focus on to take you deeper.
Here is thread I made with a number of techniques to aid you with your "NP" focus. Practice often. You get back what you put into this! 
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html

That's an interesting statement. So according to your experience ever dream is a puzzle and needs to be solved or lets say experienced?
Can you give me an example here?
Would be very interested.

I will refer you to this thread here for more info on what challenges Dreams may offer. You will find that when you begin to become aware in your Dreams, that all kinds of tests. quests and challenges await.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/what_are_dreams-t46705.0.html

Another great go to video that is excellent for understanding more about Dreaming is this one here by Robert Moss. Robert spent most of his life exploring the "Dreaming" phenomenon. This thread has 3 great videos by Robert on "Active Dreaming"
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/dreaming_is_waking_up-t39742.0.html

"at no time do I become consciously awake to the point of being back in my bed again":  To be clear, are you saying that you don't wake up at all, that you're still in a dream state and then enter another dream?  Or do you know you are in bed, but you choose not to engage in the act of waking up by opening your eyes and interacting with your physical environment?

It's more like clicking in and out of the 3D darkness, aka void state. It's a very brief period (short duration) between the "simulations".

Thanks,
Like I said I felt like I was in a half awake half-asleep state. I also couldn't tell whether the dream was a dream a lot of the time. I could tell it was very real to me and didn't feel like a dream to me.

Okay, that leads to another question. What is a Dream to you?

Start logging your Dreams in a Dream Journal and you will find many patterns in them. You go back to that Journal after a month or so and you will find people, destinations and sometimes reoccurring scenarios that will help you in the future to become more aware in your Dreams.

For some reason, when people become aware in their Dream, they think they need to alter them. If you are Dreaming what you are currently Dreaming, there must be a good reason for it. Explore that area and unlock the puzzle.