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I believed in 2012 as a symbol of a consciousness revolution when I experienced it myself.

It happened to me, it's happened to lots of other people I know or have met, it's happened all through the past but today in our information age it's happening to people more rapidly than ever and on a global scale.

Keep your thrones warm,  you will be needing them again soon!

I'm an exception to the rule.  Even though I've smoked pot,  I also practices exercises that are about increasing awareness (including unrestricted blood flow, etc.) to all parts of the body.  Actually it's like Robert Bruce's tactile imaging, I've just personalized it some I guess.

The very nature of our consciousness is to be exclusive of the experience of most of the rest of creation, ie our subconscious.

Digging up the faculties of our subconscious, and trying to make as much of it conscious and whole as possible, is what we are all about.

Can I ask how old you are?  Depending on your answer I might just have to agree with you anyway.

I always liked the image of a happy Shiva,  no one having to tell him/her to "lighten up" yet they seem to be having a bit too much fun destroying and slaughtering things...  Nature's way of balancing humanity.

You sound infinitely more miserable just to discuss marijuana than I am during any part of the day.

Peace be with you guy,  you still have no idea what you are talking about.  Not that I am asking you to go find out.  But it would never hurt to just stop talking.

and PS I don't even smoke it anymore.  So puff on that.

reefer madness or not but thats what happens when you smoke drugs

I am living proof that you are either lying or don't know what you're talking about.

Cheers.

I heard about someone who killed himself by hitting his head against wall over and over again just to make pain go away

What's awful is that I can't tell whether this guy is for real or just trying to make a joke, lol.

You don't understand if we change the system now, everyone will be depressed and unhappy.

This is exactly what is going to happen in the next several years, to put it lightly.  The wheels of the system come to a screeching halt because no one has been taking care of it,  just as no one has been taking good care of the Earth itself.

I've gotten a lot of useful information too.

I can only guess the reasons for it -
1. Its all fake, no one can communicate with spirits really.

That's not it.

2. Spirits don't want to interfere with normal workings of the world, so don't pass any higher knowledge down.

That's true sometimes.

3. They want us to learn in a hard way, using our own intelligence.

That's true sometimes too.  But you say "hard," really it is natural and inevitable, so nothing really has to be said, that we won't figure out ourselves in due time due to necessity caused by eternal change all across the universe.

4. They do say things in thought forms which are useful, but our physically rooted minds distort it and filter it out during communications.

There's truth to this too.  But I would say it's more our selfish and material desires that cause all of the distortion, and more critically render the knowledge useless. The people that really "got it" before the rest of us already left society and dedicate most/all their time to meditation.  We're still stuck here learning to get on with it until we can get on without it again.

5. They think that we have enough knowledge about the physical and non-physical to carry on, and there is no need to over burden us with things which we wont use and understand anyway.

I'm sure this is the case sometimes too.  Not to mention hardly anyone is ever listening or would even know how to any particular spirit.

6. They are only as intelligent as we are, so don't posses any more knowledge then we do.

I would say they all possess "different" knowledge than we do, and that also applies to all your human peers on an individual level.

7. They are not interested in physical at all.

Only out of ignorance should they not be interested! 'For every motion in heaven, there is a corresponding motion on Earth.' - and vice-versa

8. They have got rid of all things related to physical and cant seem to relate to them anymore. So our questions about physics are Chinese to them.

There are obvious answers to huge scientific problems that science itself will never be able to approach without deep modifications.  There are known today, have been known for thousands of years by many different people, but cause much scientific confusion and can't be scientifically quantified.  Pi is one example of this.  I could give reasons as to why no algorithm can predict the digits of pi, that it has to be measured, but it would probably classify as "meaningless gibberish" or however you put it.  But I would still say I have a better understanding of the number than modern science has.

9. They are afraid that we would misuse the knowledge.

There are already natural mechanisms that prevent this, though they are very hard to explain in so many words.

10. They prefer to communicate useful things via dreams, inspirations, insights, gut feelings, intuitions and such.

People are typically much more receptive to energy from "outside" in those states, yes.

11. They are already in full communication with our 'higher selves', so there is no need to repeat the things here on earth.

Something like that.  Life-force (including "spirits," the "secret of the universe") is already present all over your body, and is what actually makes your body alive and able to grow, adapt, etc., from the DNA level (and below) and up, but mostly on very tiny levels where all kinds of miraculous things can take place.  To be able to make larger parts of your body able to resonate with these energies on a larger scale, to make your body fit and healthy as possible, to open up your chakras, raise kundalini, etc., is to bring this coherence already within your body to an extraordinary level where it manifests on a completely different level, through your own attention and care.

Randi Backs Out of Challenge with Homeopath George Vithoulkas

All seemed to be going well when in August 2006, Vithoulkas received a signed agreement from Randi in which he stated that he was satisfied with the suggested protocol. He also waived the need for a preliminary test - the part of the process that had foiled every applicant up to that point. However Randi then delayed the start of the experiment owing to health problems and lack of sufficient funding. Apparently Randi was asked by Vithoulkas to assign a representative in his absence while funding was being sought but Randi refused to do so. He also told the homeopaths that he needed 6 months to recuperate from his unspecified health problems.

This 6 month period, according to Vithoulkas, was critical. It coincided with the appointment of a new Mayor of Athens who installed a new chairman of the scientific committee and a new president of the hospital that was to be used for the experiment. Vithoulkas claims that Randi knew of theses impending changes and was looking for a way of getting out of the challenge. It certainly was the most rigorous and well organized attempt to win the one million dollars that had ever been attempted. The Homeopaths believe that Randi got cold feet for this reason.

After a further 2 years of negotiating with the new authorities, the Homeopaths finally got the go ahead in Athens and started putting the final touches to the arrangements. In September 2008, a two day meeting was held in Greece between two of Randi`s representatives, plus Dr. Menachem Oberbaum, principal investigator of the experiment, and George Vithoulkas.

After this meeting the homeopaths thought everything was ready to go ahead but they were in for a rude surprise. In October 2008, one month after the meeting, they received the following communication from Randi:

"Forget all previous correspondence exchanged on the subject. What appears here is the current status. First, we require that George Vithoulkas submit a regular, properly-filled-out application and submit it just as we require everyone to do. After that has been received, we`ll go ahead as with any regular applicant - with the arrangements, including the requirement for the preliminary stage".

This new turn of events understandably infuriated Vithoulkas after his 5 years of toil. To make matters worse, Randi, according to Vithoulkas, claimed on his website (www.randi.org) that the homeopaths had withdrawn from the experiment. This accusation is strenuously denied by Vithoulkas.

http://www.naturalnews.com/025627.html

This leads me to believe that astral projection is not reproducable in a consistent and systematic manner and is rarely taking place in the real timezone.

The amazing Randi is more like an amazing windbag in reality.  I have seen him back away from several different challenges for his million dollars, once he himself realized that he was probably going to lose it (talking about after he had already met with these people, set up conditions for the experiment, run test trials, etc.).  Not for astral projection, per se, but for other "psychic" phenomena.  I could come back with links, etc. if anyone is interested.

Well, if nature itself has no intelligence than it can't comprehend our intention.

And that's the solution:  the universe is actually alive, conscious, and infinitely and equally receptive to all things, including human ignorance.  It is more intelligent than we are.

In fact consciousness itself is the most fundamental unit of anything, even matter.  It's all vibration, intention, etc., etc., like the 7 hermetic laws of the Kybalion state.

Actually to get into such states of mind consistently you have to drive all sorts of demons away,  just the opposite from inviting them.

They are what is constantly disrupting your thoughts and interrupting you and taking you from this to that to make you forget that you don't know what you're doing here...

Try meditating yourself and see how much the demons will distract you.

Really heck maybe I should start praying to you? Are you then the ONE and only great "I AM'

I have really really wanted all my life to talk and dialogue with god, one on one and now I have found you on this forum, am I a lucky fellow or what?

You are something, that's for sure.

Did I say you weren't also God?  You have no idea what I am talking about.  Or rather, you probably DO have an idea what I'm talking about,  you just apparently take offense at my use of language.

We are a fragment of this Infinite mind In my opinion "no_leaf_clovers" post was arrogant it read like he was the Infinite One himself in the process of remembering who he was .

That is a pretty good assessment of what I am, yes.

It's a good assessment of yourself, too, but you apparently don't recognize it and even take offense.

Unless there is some secret organ in the body that can sustainably convert other forms of energy into the kind of energy that our physical body can use,

I think our entire body is capable of this, if properly trained to do so.  I have no scientific proof, but neither is there scientific proof that you CAN'T do it, and neither is there scientific proof for astral projection.

There is already an "organ" in your body that converts/translates between many different kinds of energy, or at least serves as a "superhighway" where they may all be experienced, and that is your spine, around which your kundalini rises and your chakras are set.

I believe our "spirit" (that which is "us" but NOT our physical body) consists of a subtler material than anything found in our body,  yet it can sustain our body when it has sufficient energy. 

I have read many similar things.  I remember one study was even conducted on a man who didn't eat or drink anything for a few days, maybe a week, and he was monitored in a hospital.  They noticed his bladder filled with fluid, and then the fluid re-absorbed into the cell walls and was redistributed throughout his body, and they had never seen anything like it.

Our bodies are extremely powerful, and what's more, it has its own intelligence.  The healthier we keep it, the better quality food we eat, and the more we meditate on our energy centers and focus on drawing energy into us, I'm sure this is a very real possibility.

I believe we have a "surprise" coming to us and no one can predict what exactly it's going to be, or what combination of things it's going to be.

I believe a lot of people are going to die from various causes, though, and that the surface of the Earth may be so plagued with disasters that very few people survive.  I'm actually not a pessimist, but a realist, and things along these lines are necessary for a number of reasons I shouldn't have to go into.

The best thing you can do is make yourself as spiritually aware as you can, develop your energy body as much as you can, and seek guidance from the universe to whatever extent you can, to figure out what you should do to prepare for these times.  People will survive these times, especially spiritual people, and these will be the ones left over to rebuild again, not unlike times in the past.

Maybe in your shock of your first experience, you came to some mode of thinking about auras that prevents you from approaching it the right way now.

Just forget everything about them, and just relax and look for them when the experience was new to you.  It's easy to see them, it's just a matter of paying attention, especially around bodies and other sources of magnetic energy.

God is consciousness, pure and not yet differentiated into any sort of form.

It "tries on" every form in existence across all time, like you would try on a shirt or pair of shoes.  There is nothing separate from it, simply because to exist apart from it is to not be perceived, because perception IS consciousness.  We are all little fractal "bubbles" of it within its own body, which is all of existence, and we draw our existence from it so it takes a closer look at its own properties.

The "balloon" thing has its parallels to Jungian psychology.  Being a scientist, if you aren't very familiar with Jung's work (for example, his last major work, "Man and His Symbols") you should be.  Many people have never heard his name but they don't even know what they're missing.

In Jung's model, all people are undergoing transformations pushing them towards their most true Self.  These transformations result from subconscious complexes.  As we address these complexes internally and individually, we relieve a lot of baggage we've kind of been inherently stuck with for one reason or another for however long we can remember.  For example, someone who has insecurities about their "feminine side" (anima) may have dreams with many feminine figures symbolic of that aspect of the individual's Self, and they will persist until the individual addresses this complex and is able to consciously unite his "feminine side" with all his other conscious "sides."  That being one of a small handful of complexes that Jung found to trouble thousands of people in many complicated individual variations.

Jung dream's analysis and psychology in general is something that can be applied to anyone, not just people who "need help," as "they" say.  Everyone has subconscious issues they have to deal with, to a greater or lesser degree.  Relieving all of these is a direct path to union with That; the conscious and subconscious come to resemble each other in their contents, etc.

I read a book by materials prof. emeritus at Stanford Dr. William Tiller, and he showed where energies more subtle than electromagnetic energy, but that influences EM energy (similar to the way electric and magnetic currents are now understood to be coupled) can be transmitted from person to person over large distances.

They put a guy in a room and had him relax, and monitored his pulse, breathing, brainwaves, etc. for an hour.  Then they had a remote healer pick a random 5-minute period within the hour, without the subject knowing about it beforehand, and influence the subject's body for that 5-minute period.  They repeated this experiment some number of times.  Dr. Tiller was able to demonstrate a correlation between that 5-minute period and significant changes in blood pressure, breathing patterns, brainwaves, etc.  It was all laid out on graphs showing the subject's states over the course of whole hour, including the period when the healer was remotely influencing him.

If someone knows what they're doing I have no doubt they could send energy to you remotely.  If I were you I would relax, work out any tension, slow my breathing and gently notice what my body feels like for 15 or so before 9:00 just to see if I could better distinguish some kind of effect.  Be sure to tell us what you experience after you do it Friday!

There is an obvious social and scientific bias against genuine spirituality, not in every case but by and large.  A few hundred years ago it was the same except the church played science's role, but still ebbed through a social medium to influence individuals.

There are more ways to meditate than to simply think of nothing.  There are tons of meditation techniques.  When you sit down, and have your whole head to yourself, you can literally do with it whatever you like,  whatever is productive for any means you can imagine.  A lot of meditations are built around creative visualization or something like Robert Bruce's "tactile imaging," where you basically day-dream yourself into a lucid dream and go from there.  But that's only one other example.

Someone recently asked this same question on another forum I frequent, and they got a lot of good responses you might be interested in browsing over: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread456917/pg1';

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hey, i've been "informed" about this theory about the psychological death where you eliminate your ego and all of that but... what does that have to do with astral projection?

Start actively dissolving your ego and you should find out soon enough.  It's one of those things that is immediately rewarding, and you'll notice what it does.

For example, dissolving your ego stereotypically makes you a more compassionate, sympathetic person.  Think about it.  You are more able to leave your OWN head space, and enter someone else's, so to speak, so as to resonant with them more fully.  I would consider that a mundane form of projection, simply because you focus your attention elsewhere (someone else's thoughts or feelings) and instantly you can be there, experiencing it with them.  That's the key.  The more you push your ego back, the more readily your mind will fully attach itself to things that you would normally shy away from or hold back from, thus not receiving a full experience.


Btw,  I have a friend who is only a little older than you but is very mature for his age and is interested in all the same sorts of esoteric things that I am.  His personality seems much older than those of many people who ARE much older.  Age is a mental thing.  At any rate,  if your world regularly kills children that are far younger than yourself without discretion (which it does),  then.... I don't think there are ANY rules.