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I truely recomend all of his books!!! They were all big selllers in the 70's.

Hello everybody!!!

Have you ever heard about the Jinas state?. This is the next level of OBE where you can "turn on" your hole phisical body and fly. ¡Yes, I mean really fly!. This is a gnostic concept used to describe that state of conciouness of spiritual masters like Jesus where they can control matter,... walk on water and so. Its alaso said this is the wizards method to fly. The hole body shines like an energy ball and "the inciate" just goes to another world with it. Samuel Aun Weor (gnostic) gave us this technike: After you have domain on your astral body, you can sit one night and start your meditation. Then, he said "just stand up suddenly with a lot faith, and jump". I know this sound crazy... but could be true. I think few humans in this world have the power and evolution to do this, maybe just a couple who wont never show thuis to anyone.
Some people I´ve know have old memorys, childhood memorys, wehre they remember flying with their phiscal bodys. If you have such a memory be free to talk about it, or if you just want to give your opinion about JINAS state, Ill be very pleased to read your posts.
                                   Thank You!!!

Hello everybody.

Have you ever heard about hiperventilation, holotropic breathwork or recapitulation? If you have, I would like to ask you something, but first, if you wish, tell me your experience. Is it safe practice?

Hello everybody.

I have a few cuestions about sexual energy. How should it be reguled? Is masturbation good to unblock circuits or is it something that will consume our power? If I dont have a girlfriend how can I canalize this energy in order to do someting good with my spiritual and energetical development? Is it true that when having sexual relations we are "condemed" to share energy for seven years?. Is it true having babys make holes in our energetic bodys? I heard about this in Carlos Castanedas books.

Thanks for your opinions.

Hello everybody: I Have a few questions...

¿What is the purpose of astral travel ann development of ESP? I think its important to establish this. How does this help in our spiritual realization and life? We can have powers but not freedom.
Yes, we can go many places and make a lot of unusual things, but I think this is just a step. Meditation is made to cross astral planes to higuer states of conciouness, there is a danger by getting obssesd in power in the astrals. Also I think we have a msision on this world to do, ¿why does everybody want to leave to other worlds?
Whats the aplication of OBE and ESP in our lifes and in the BIG Plan of God? How do we cooperate with the universe when we attempt OBE. Please help me, because I have alredy projected "many" times and I just dont find a reason to keep doing it. I feel astal projection is just a part of the whole path, but I still dont understand what part doees it play in the whole plan. Yes I can get out of body, but beside power and curiosity, it doesnt feeds my heart needs.

                                             Alex

Hello:

I had this WILD lucid dreaming last week:


I,ve had some lucid dreams but to pass fully awake to a lucid dream was a real challenge. I was trying to stay awake while my body sleeps, but had always become asleep or astral projetcted when I tried. Well, one week ago I woke up at 5:00 AM. and make some meditation. Then I decided to go to bed again and tried to make a concious OBE. I had no OBE, but while I was falling asleep I could conserve my mind awake and started to see clearly a very funny thing. I could see what I call "the beging of a dream". ¿Remember the state where you start to feel like everything gets black and confused before you lose conciouness? Well, I was like in the middle of it and a dream. It was a division, and obstacle to cross. When I finally decides to cross trough the blackness into the dream, I crossed it lucid and started a lucid dream. Trees and mountain, and high speed flight I made. For instances, flying down took me to the same blackness but then I started flying up and everyting becamed lucid again. When I got tired, I satrted to fall and think that I was going to wake up. And thats exactly waht happends, I woke up, but...
!surprise!, I woke up in an other dream. I was in a bed, as an usual morning and streching. Then I tought I could be still dreaming. I looked around to see if something was weird. Altough I was in my Grandfathers house in New mexico, I didnt take that as weird because I,m used to go there. Nothing was wrong, I even hit my finger with the table and it hurts my like hell. Then I tought "I cant be dreaming" So I lost lucidity in that moment and continued dreaming as in ordinary dreams. When I woke up I could remember almost everyting. I made a Wild lucid dream, and woke myself in another dream after it. I believe we can change to other dreams completly lucid. And I have found a technique to do it. Just when you feel your lucid dream is about to end, let your self falling down, and think and declare what you want to do. You can say "I will wake up in another dream, and imagine that dream, this will take you to waht you have imagined.  You can also used it to transform your luid dream into and OBE saying wihle letting yourself going down: "I will wake up in my astral body or real time body". When You are falling down knowing that you are going to wake up, usually means your projected double is returning to your body. What you have to do is to cach it beforer it reachs your phisical body.   I,ts very easy to start the falling-confused sensation, just close your eyes and let yorself go, or start spinning around. If your lucid dream contains a canyon or something whwre you can jump, just let yourself fall into it. Try to finish your dream, but just before it ends, jump into something else. To lucid dream orderly you have to put attention to things, to jump into something else, you have to losse atttention and concentration in lucid dream and then recover it again. Its like an endless puzzle. Lucid dreamin is the first puzzle to construct, then you have to mix all again and construct something different again. The ability to chang fro one state of conciouness to other is part of the art of dreaming.

Book suggested: "The art of dreaming", Carlos Castaneda.

Can someone tell me the diffrenece between constructing something in my mind and clarividence? I,m in a group of prayers and sometimes they say they see things. When I´m getting relaxed just before sleep I ve seen some mental pictures, is that clairvidence or its just my unconcious. Please help me!

Hello everyone:

I thing its important to discuss the purpose of doing Obe. Besides fun, curiosity, and power, what do you think OBE is for? For me its a way to remember what we really are and where we really come from and go. Its about freedom, love and wisdom. I think we should consider powers, fun and curiosity a side effect of a more profund and existencial meaning. What do you believe?

HEY EVERYONE.

I remeber my first OBE was when I was 2 years old. Dont ask why can I remember that. I was seelping on the bed, and then I got out of it floating, being carried by something. The extraordinary thing of this experience was that my conciouness was outside my astralbody watching the whole navigation. I can still remember the feeling of being in that new body, it was some kind of "silence knowledge of everything". I never understood I was out of body or projecting because at that time I was still learning words. Now 20 yaers later I found words to my experience reading about astral fenomena and learned that when meditating we can reconect with our sacred and abstract nature. If I am something, I am  this point of conciuoiness in the universe that contains information. In the uninerse, my heart knows for sure, every point of it contains the rest. Another thing aboutt these experience, I am supossing that what I saw was my astral body floating to my parents bedroom, but how can we explain that the next morning my mother was surprised to saw me on her bed?

Have you ever experience pain when getting out?

I felt last month a sensation in my stomach of getting pulled out wirh a hook. Waht I felt was a sensation of "someone" pulling all my organs out. It was like too much pressure. I think it was because I was trying to get out hardly when I was already out. What do you think? This happened after vibrations.

Hey:

Have you ever felt the sensation of gravity pulling your body down while another part of you lifting up? I know for sure that we can enter higher planes while standing and completele awake. I know this guy that touch my elbow and lifts me up "to the spirit" he says. He said that he wolud share some enery to me so I can go up. He made that 4 times in this month. So, yesterday I went to "Sensorama" a place where you can interact and sensibilize your senses. I felt  the same thing, and knew I was learning to lift me up by myself. He said we all know how to do this and more, and that we have to remember, not with ordinary memory,  with body. He said to me that when I,m in this lift up sensation its because I ,am alredy in astral planes but cant see them, because I havent wake up my centers. What do you thing?

Do we really get out of body or its just the way we experience it? Toltecs believed that we have a perception point in our enery bodys that can move to percieve other energy bands. For them the astral body is just a diferent way of percieving ourselves, a movement of the point of perception IN our bodys, not OUT. We cant get out of our bodys.... because WE ARE OUR BODYS. Human beings, in the toltec tradition are energy spheres.  We have probably a wrong concept of our body, and probably all our feelings and thauoghts and spirits are a material or phisical substance vibrating at different frecuencies. OBE could be a new way of body perception, not a new body percieving. What do you think?

Here si more information on my friend`s problem. She experienced  more somnabulism episodes when she was a child. She has already seen a neurlogist or psiquiatryst and they found a very small epileptic focus on her right temporal(lobule?). Never had convulsations. She is taken medications (Temperator) since then, this helps preventing impulsivity, ansiety, and depersonalitation episodes. We discover she had somnabulism since we tried to voluntary OBE with the "waking teknique". I told her to wake to hours before normal waking, do some reading and meditation, and then try to fall asleep repeating afirmations. Maybe she experience somnambulism every night,but we dont know for sure. I told her to stop the experiments, and we asume she is sleeping good, but ¿how can I know if she is or not still and has been somnabulism "all of her life"? I cant stay at her hoouse and her mother cant stay awake and watch because her job. So what we are goin to do is to spy on her sleep with a camera...

Ive been with her when she had a depersonalization epside, it was as if she could not recognize things around her and herself, she was touching everything asking "This is a wallet, rihgt? This is a car, my car right?, etc..  Sometimes she needs to touch her own nose to feel and recgonize she is still there. Medication helps a lot too.

She is a normal girl tough, she studies with me psychology at Mexico City University,....Im a little bit worried about her. She needs a lot of love too...

I,ve experienced OBe`s, voluntary and non voluntary, I wanted to share that with her, go some beautiful place, for example... but maybe this is not for her right now...what do you think?
 
Other think, wich is the relation between a brain lessure and PSi activity?   Thanks for sharing...
                                        Ensoñador

THanks a lot for your advices, I´ll keep trying!!!

Can we bring back stuff from dreams?

Next time you program a dream tie a small bag to yourself. In your dream find a stone or some object and put it in the dream-bag with the intent to wake you up with it.  Let me know if you could do this so I can sell you on a circus!!!lol, or we could get some free gold and be all rich!!!

Old sorcers could do this, and then they killed them each other for having this objects that gave them tremendous powers...

                                            Ensoñador
 

This experiments are great!. If LD are not only a reflection of ourselfs, if there we can handel with universal information, what implications could this have on our undestanding of the universe?

Can dream reallity really converge with our daily reality? Is real time projection real or we are travelling only in our memory and system of representation?

I would love to participate in this experiment, but I´m not so good being lucid in dreams. Too many reality fluctations in my last AP any way.

I read a book called "remote eye viewing", cool stuff about getting real info about places, people and objets. Many said telepathy of this kind is not really a travel to that place  but like an antena in wich we recieve info. Travel or psi-reception, ¿who knows?

                              Ensoñador

We percive thanks we project. We live in our minds. Our experience  is a mental displey.  There is a  ONE THING living and experiencing itself as many. We dont live in a material world, we live in a mental thing. Cognitive psicology tell us that perception is a construction. We see things as if outside of us, but probably that is not true. Cuantic mecanics started to include conciouness in phisical phenomena. We dream and are being dreamed by some "Great otherness"

THe word re-presentation, mean a presentation of something for a second time. Whenever perception ocuurs, what we see is that second time play. We live in our believe system, not in reallity. We can expand our way of representing ourselfs and the others, OBE for example. A great Idea is taking place in everything, and some day that idea will be ready to end, and start a new cicle.

The brain is another ilussion, or at least shouldnt be take at the basis of reallity. Remember, when we see a brain, we are also looking to a representation of something unknown.
         
Thinking all this make me have headaches!!. I thing its better to exploring rather than expalining. Our explanations are always going to be parcial views.... We cant understand "our" universe just reasoning.

What is real?  I dont know for sure.

                                      Ensoñador

PD. A great recomendation on this topic would be to see the movie "Waking life", I,ll bet youll love it.

Hey guys, I,m just asking here if someone of you have ever proofed that rea-time zone is really an objective view of the phiscal world, not if my life points of view are erroneous or correct. I,m not tring to begin a discussion on what is real or what is not, I just want to know if astral world can really converge with our ordinary world.

By the way....I know everything and nothing at all is real at the same time.

OBE is the ability to represent ourselfs diferently. WE actualy see our beliefs projected in front of us, not rality. Thus, Obe are as unreal as phisical experience, but at the same time very real because we experience it as real. Just imagine this:

The basic of ordinary perception is  the art of projection. We percieve cause we project. We are OBEing all the time. We are the spirits traveling out of a unic universal body. I say we are all right, OBE is and ilusion and it is not at same time. Oh, and I think we shouldnt keep wondering on how this could be posibble, its surely beyond reasoning. WE are all living our process at our own rythm, everytbody is right cause thats what our experience tell to us.  

We take brain as the basis to judge reality, but have we ever wonder if our hole phisical body is just a mental thought form? The beuty of creation is that while I project you, and you project me to have experiences of duality, we are in other reality the same being, just representing itself as a tree, a sun, as Jhon or Peter.  WE are God playing with himself, experiencing himself in every particular location of the universe as and I, as infinit units we call life.

"We are dreaming" is something all the spiritual masters have told us, a dream that pass so fast that it would be better to live it than to ask if it is real or not. I truly dont know what is real or not, but someday experience will lead me to the truth, not philosophical discussions.
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The topic of this post was the answer about healing or medicine information for mortal and non mortal deseases in te astral. I thing we will get more reveletaions from the spirit about healing if we as humans were more conected to it. We have what we deserve, not meaning to be cruel. Why didnt Jesuscrist stayed on earth forever so we would all be happy learning and evolutiong more faster?, I simply dont know. Justice is not always what benefits us.  Altouh I think we can learn to heal ourselfs sometimes, is about good energy manipulation, maybe. hi.

                     Ensoñador

Hello:

Bomohwkl:

1)You dont need others love to feel yours, you need others to give that love. Romantic lives leads to dependency, hapiness is in our hands, not in our loved ones. We cant experience others love but with our own hearts, so what we experience is not the others but ourselfs.

1)Love is freedom, you cant experience it if you dont feel free and viceversa, need love to feel free.

3)We are all capable of loving, we all can recognise Gods Plan in everything, Its a simple thing, a knowledge we all have. Everytime we love a person we love Gods plan.

4)Love has no requirements but your own permission to experience it

5)Love is working everywhere all the time.

Too bad you think you know something, now you probably cant enjoy everything  as new and fresh? Your limits are your beliefs. I think higher self is just a concept to describe what has no words or names, and there is no way to learn anything at all about the unnamed. We cannot reduce the unknown to words, if we try so we would invent some descriptions and miss interpretations, and then we would start to confuse the words we said with the facts. And then we could make a whole religion and start to beleive in it, so on straight to fanatism. For me a man who cant question his own beliefs has no freedom. Athiest and believers are both slaves of their own way of thinking.

For exapmle you can change your believes about the existence of spirit without saying yes or no. If you read what comes next youl see spirit does not exist and exist a the same time:

Spirit exists you said. Existence is a word that means etimology "to be outside", and anything that its outside means to have a time and space. Does spirit have these, a location and a time? Also spirit should have a shape, cause nothing that exists does not have it. See, you cant talk about spirit, it has no time, space or shape. sO IT DOES NOT EXIST. Spirit "is" what is far away of existence. Buddist tried to explain things saying spirit is what does not exist, THE NOT BEING!!! If you say spirit exist, then you mean three things if you hold on to your cosmovision compared to buddhist: That spirit is an objet that can be seen, that it is changing and will die someday for it. Saying God exist to  buddhist for expamle, is a like saying he is not real. What exist tends to disapear. For me, higher self does not exist cause real spirit is beyond what there can ever be!!


Outside what? thats something we wont know as "an I", so I dont know anything and cant learn anything, cause there is nothing to know. ¡God is not an objet we will someday discover!!! If you truly had comunication with the great spirit then you know you cant be sure of anything, cause spirit is not a he, she, or it.

You can move objets and OBe, but you are as ignorant as always, so do I. You dont know a thing cause you are not the one who projets or telek, its the whole universe using what you believe is yourself to complete its IDEA who does it. You wont become God, cause this who I,m talking to is going to die. We confuse our personality with God for instaneces, and particullary these happends with "the higher Me Idea." Higher self its just an idea to escape from time, to think about us as permanent. The truth is we dont have a higher being, "he" has us as an expression in time and space. I dont have anything,only this moment.

We believe in things and ideas to overcome death, we dont want to think us as mortals, we hate the idea of dying and hate life for being not comfortable.
                        With love,Ensoñador

Beavis

Higher self is a useless concept when its still just a word to describe somewhere else than now. Including my toughts into yours to prove yourself you are right and feel important, lol, that is just a way you use to never betray your beliefs. You are just finding the way to justify the higher self existence, but no one will ever find the true of it if he/she is  still having all aranged to never contradict their dreams. To find God you will have to stop beliefing in everything (even in him), only then we can be fluid enough to understand. So, if you want to keep talking as if you already knew something ,go ahead.

                 With love, Ensoñador

Fallen Angel: "whenever I have OBEs I feel much more connected to myself. It is like my feelings, thoughts, and personality are much more in my face than on the physical plane".

Fallen Angel:

You are never more conected to who you are than now. There are no better or worst sates of being, just different. It is true we feel more energitized while OBE, but thats because we are not used to feel that. If you cant feel yourself complete right here and now, and you need to have great experiences to feel alive, I guess you could be already traped in power dynamics. Is that your reason to OBE, to feel more yourself and alive? Is happiness something to achieve like an apple on a tree you desire? We as humans can become dependent to almost everything, OBE is for some like having sex just to feel an orgasm. I bet you can feel yourself right now, dont get trapped in the great sensation that obe can produce on you. You said Obe is not like running away for you, but you speek as if Obe is somehow a better world, a better phone to speak to yourself.  Why do we put happiness and freedom away from us in some place we cant see right here? We have to learn to walk and then fly,... have you already walked on earth all there is to walk? Earth is as beautiful and compelte as heaven!!! We seekers are always putting our sight on the sky, as if we hate our earth counterpart, but where ever we are we will always be here and now, and we spend that oportunity looking always somewhere else. I feel no trust when ever I heard the words "other worlds, higher being and states,ilumination, etc". They are all dualistic comprenhensions of life, thats why they are all wrong, or at least not completly right.

                        With love, Ensoñador

Hello!!!

There is no higher self, no higher you. There is no self at all. There is nothing to hold on, you are going to die, listend to your death, she is the onlyone wich can make you love things just the way they are. Look right now around you,what problems do you have? What problems can someone have if he/her is going to die? You have already lost that battle(we all have), nothing is more bad than what already happened. Do not look for higher places, you better highlite every single moment you have, cause life is short. Make every single moment count, and you will feel power all the time in every act. With death chasing you you only have two options: be afraid and run to your highself ideal, or use your time right know living it. To get contacted with what we really are is to be more present right here and now. No matter what you decide or what your problems are you are not important for time, make then time important for you, and enjoy the oportunity of yor last breath every single time. Close your eyes and listen to your death listening your breath. Higher self is just a gnostic term used to describe a state with no self importance, it has more to do with what life wants from you ratter than what you wnat it to be. []
                         
                                 Ensoñador

MIRADOR: you know there is no higher self, you know there is just impersonality, a river flows and wind blows... thats all. lol.
Controlled folly, right?... Tu mismo sabes que solo hay un plano, que todo existe en un solo ahora, ya sea el mas alla o el mas aquí

Hello:

Everything is a matter of power, but there is inner power and external power. I think OBE can be used for both.
Freedom, love, and spiritual growth are experiences of power because thats what they are.Altough, the greatest power we can achieve as humans, is quiting the need of power(external), the need and desire of control and to feel important. Only then we reclaim our true power and  emotional independence.When this happends hapiness is no longer in what we could do or be, but in what we already and really are. I.m not judgeing anyone, I just invite all seekers to ask themselfes the true motives of their seek.

The more power you want, the more you dont have. Thats the true of ambicious ones. There is no real power with kings if they dont experience themselfes just like someone else standing in the world. I think real power has more to do with inner balance and economy.

Why do we want to grow and develop?,great expectations can be born of lack of self aceptance, and rarely from true "spiritual instinct".  Many people want to change cause they hate their lifes, and rarely becasue its the right time to do it. Many people want to go out of themselfes and thats why they start asking for other worlds. They go out of bounderies away of their inner mess. I think we shouldnt travel anywhere if we havent cleaned our personal background. Our dirty background and the old emotional wounds are the reason for many projectors to have horrible OBE and neg encounters. Everything its about the quality of vibrations. What we see is what we are. Others have "paranormal" experiences but arent capable to see the extrordinary of any normal day of life.

I want to grow up, Is love or hate what makes me take that decision? Heart listening is what we as humans need, not vacations. We need to explore ourselfes, but first we shall do it in this world. We come from those other worlds to live in these world, dont tell me, we projectors have sucked all what there is from our opportunity on earth.  

Maybe we could use OBE to clean,heal and know better ourselfs, but there are many curious and ambicious in the astral. We should try to put love in all our purposes. Most of new projectors when they are out of body dont know what to do, and I recongnize pride first times. It happened to me, I wanted to tell everyone next morning to demonstrate people I`was making important discoverys.

This post is for everyone, beginners oand well experienced, its important to re evaluate or beliefs systems sometimes. Warriors are always careful to not cheat on themselfes.  There is a whole superhero masks market. Wana be...wana do...I, me, my. Just be careful.

Many people get frustrated when they fail attempting OBE, frustration is lack of self respect and love. Endless pacience means true spiritual purpose and intent. Obe shuld not be a way to self-acceptance, thats like putting hapinnes away from us and it would make us slaves of the ideal we have on ourselves.

OBE a way to escape, or a way of true self discovery?


                Ensoñador