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Thanks for the replies.  I tried again this morning and felt the "swaying" that so many talk about, but nothing beyond that point.  Next time I will try and just "let go".

Personally I am familiar with only the "Red sea/sea of reeds" allegory in the scriptures, though I have not taken much effort to learn more.  The see of reeds is not really a sea at all but merely a large lake with, of course, reeds sticking out of it.  Through further research it has been established that this would probably have been a much more likely route for Moses.  Keep one thing in mind also that I have learned.  The sea of reeds is MUCH more shallow then the Red sea.  At the time of Moses leading his people out of Egypt a volcano on a nearby island had erupted.... which is likely to have caused most of the plagues as well (sulfur would have contaminated the water and turned it red, the frogs would not have been able to live in it and therefor left for other waters, anything that drank the water would have died, such as cattle, etc.) you get the point.  Anyways, by the erupting of this volcano it would have changed the tides of the surrounding oceans and the sea of reeds and caused it's waters to receed, thereby opening up a large area to walk through, but once the volcano had finished erupting the waters would again flood the sea of reeds (and drown the egyptian army).  Never forget, the lord works in mysterious ways and all things succumb to His will.  This would have been a matter that the Lord could have controlled on a time perfectly coinciding with all of his miracles and the parting of the sea of reeds, for after all... nothing is beyond His will.  Just food for thought.  Interesting that you would bring up such a topic, it should pose for good debate!

My only suggestion is this, OBE are different for every single person because of our unique level of individuality.  You can never ever have enough information.  I have read a few of the books that you listed and I got something different and valuable from each.  Even when you reach your goal and begin projecting, it's important to learn of others experiences because it will make you even more curious about things and give you more things to search for, which is really the whole point.  Good luck!

Don't really know what to say, you all sound crazy to me!!!

Life and the afterlife are a continuous learning experience.  The gaining of knowledge will never, EVER stop.  So after you learn how to become enlightened... you will begin to learn what it means to be enlightened, and strive for a new goal.  There won't be an end after you have reached your goal... everything we do is the beginning of something else.

I believe in Karma to a certain extent.  For examply, I don't think that if you steal you will be stolen from necissarily.  But by stealing you break the law and put yourself in a situation to go to jail or pay fines of some sort, which wouldn't have happened had you not stolen in the first place.  I also believe that sins committed that you aren't punished for here, you will be held accountable for in the next life.  I believe we are eternal beings, and therefor we may not necissarily be punished for everything while we are still here on earth.

Hm, not really sure what you are talking about, but haven't experienced or heard of anything like it up untill now.  Explore!  "Fear is the mind killer.  Face your fears and let them pass through you."

That sounds like and OBE to me.  They are so mysterious that many of them happen without knowing how or why.  Many people who can project started in fact by accident.  I once heard a story of a man who was in a war on a bridge.  Below him were enemy soldiers firing at men on his side.  He dropped a grenade down, but it didn't go off.  When they saw the grenade they began shooting at him and he then had an OBE.  He traveled half way across the world and saw the women that were making the grenades for the army.  They were laughing and chatting while they put them together, and he desperately tried telling them to pay attention to what they were doing, but to no avail.  He then returned to his body again.  My point is, they can happen at any time and for any reason, only God knows the truth behind all things.  But if you want my opinion, it was an OBE.

I'm sort of in the same place you are.  I can get the tingling in my limbs and then I can hold it for about half an hour.  At that time I start drifting to sleep and pulling myself out of it, but I also get EXTREMELY bored and stop doing it then just go to sleep.  Right now that's my struggle, finding motivation to continue the process (longest i've gone is one hour).  What I am going to try however is to remember that this is a phase of the process, and after it there will be another one, and let curiousity to discover what the other one is drive me.  I guess just try a little longer and see what comes next!

Well if you AP once or twice a month you are doing very good.  Most people don't have anything near that, so I don't understand why you think that you aren't succeeding.  I guess when you reach the paralysis stage you should focus your awareness somewhere else, like above you or across the room.

Personally I don't recommend lying on your back to attempt an OBE.  I tried this for a while and it's just too easy to drift off.  When you lay down your body, out of habit, thinks it's time to go to bed.  I recomment sitting (perhaps against your bed post) with your legs straight out.  Also stretch before you attempt and OBE, this will ease the tension greatly.  And finally I usually take a few minutes to do breathing excersises before I start.  When I breath out I relax every muscle in my body more then the time before, untill I am completely at ease!

I know how you feel about enthusiasm being gone.  I too have been practicing for a few years and still have not felt the vibrations or anything.  Once I felt very strange, but it didn't lead anywhere.  I often hear stories of "I tried for about a month and FINALLY got out" and just wonder if it's real or not.  Who knows, maybe it's not for everyone.  As for muscle relaxers, not really sure if they would work or not.  I always stretch my muscles and am usually completely relaxed that way, but maybe there is something out there.

I have read about many experiences where out of body explorers have seen a certain part of the afterlife.  Some of them have witnessed sceneries in which people are at a park and many of them are chatting or reading books.  From these experiences the explorers got the distinct impression that these people were here relaxing from their life and contemplating what they wish to do next (ie progress further or live a physical life again.)

Tough question to answer really.  It's impossible to say what any random psychologist is going to think about OBE.  The world is definately awakening to spirituality, but most of it isn't there yet.  Most people don't even care about such experiences, they just don't find them practical to the world we live in.  Walk on broken eggs when you decide to share you experiences with someone.

The only thing that I can think of is to continue to pray for him, and when you visit him again in the astral try to recall and delve further into what is truly bothering him.  Perhaps after a few more times speaking with him you will understand what is making him feel that way and maybe begin to help him through it.

You can be affected in the astral form.  There are many astral creatures just as there are in the physical world.  Some of them work on the side of evil and don't want you to attain an OBE because if you do so you are able to realize your spiritual self, which is the side of God.  Many will bother you while in the astral body like clinging on to you or trying to frighten you out of the experience.  You're physical body cannot be harmed, but it is bothersome to have these creatures around!

Beowulf... the book is really great.  I had so many questions and it answered every one of them.  Rober Bruce really knows what he's talking about in it.  The energy work in the book is more than adequate.  I never even knew there was an online version untill recently, I just went with the book and have had many results.  Online version isn't necissary, but helpfull still.  Happy reading!

Time is a concept of the physical world, it is meaningless in the afterlife and astral plane.  Past, present, and future all take place at once.  However there is no destiny, freewill ranes.  When looking into the future in the astral plane what you see are possible futures based on the decisions mankind is making at the moment.  If the choices that society makes change then the possible futures change as well.

Yes it is possible, but if you have been born blind then you have no concept of what 3D image lookes like, so everything you see in the astral world is only 2D, like a picture.

I'm not really sure what you mean by visualization either.  It sounds like visualization to you is seeing things behind your closed eyelids, is that correct?  Robert Bruce states that visualization IS imagination... the two are one in the same.  Perhaps you need to be more specific on exactly what you are expecting, or want, to happen.

Yes the two are pretty much the same.  Following either one will give you positive results.  While we are on the subject I also had a question that no one has yet answered.  When I first started practicing energy ways I began having lucid dreams, so I know that it helps in some senses.  What I'm curious about is how much it helps with projection.  If you were to practice energy ways would it increase the likelyhood of having an OBE?

Well MO3, I don't have AOL anymore but they have a feature where you can send instant messanger to someone who doesn't have AOL and I could download it then chat with you on the subject.  I recommend that you read Robert Monroe's books... he's the pioneer in this field and probably got most people in this forum interested in OBE in the first place.  I'm certain his books will develop a passionate desire to have an OBE.  Robert Bruce's book Astral Dynamics is also, of course, quite good.  Read as much as you can and find out as much as you can, there are many different authors on the subject.  NDE experiences will probably interest you quite a bit also.  Hopefully you will send me that instant messanger... you can click on my name in this forum and my e-mail address will become available.  Good Luck!

I have never projected my PHYSISAL body to the astral plane and have heard of no instances where someone has, are you sure on that one.  Also it is possible to meet other projectors with concetration.

I believe that only God knows when the end of the world will be.  "Prepare ye now for I come quickly, even as a theif in the night".  - Christ

You'll be happy to know you are on the verge.  If you saw a bright light and a rope you apparently have no idea how close you really are.  You were probably seeing with your astral eyes which means your conciousness was focused on your astral body, which is where you want to be.  If you felt your head was stuck, it could have been, try working on your energy there more.  Thinking will stop the astral projection also.  Go with the flow and take the position of a neutral observer.  When you get back in your body you can get excited and jump for joy all you want, but don't do it while out of body or it'll probably stop.  Good luck!