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I too have been looking into concentration as a necessary skill in order to reliably phase/astral travel (or just in general).  I recently purchased these books:

Concentration:  A guide to Mental Mastery by Mouni Sadhu  (considered to be the best out there--Mine will arrive next week)

Concentration:  An approach to meditation by Earnest Wood  ---I have read half of this book so far and he has a unique method of non straining concentration which I think will be invaluable in phasing. 

www.improving-concentration.com  (fairly good ebook, but way too pricey for the value) 

However, passive awareness is probably the most necessary skill.  I hated when people would talk about the "Power of Now" because basically it was so hard for me to stay in that state and I would get frustrated.  Plus the actual method of getting there was lacking and most of the book was how great it was.
Recently I stumbled upon a free ebook which talked about awareness in a way that I could easily grasp.  That book is "How to control your brain at will".  The thing about awareness is that how aware you are during the day is probably how aware you will be in your dreams and in your OBE.  I have had very unaware OBE's before and you are left wondering "IS THAT IT? Also the "Noticing" exercise of Franks is much easier if you are in the habit of being aware.  If not, you will slip into some sort of mind duologue or day dream state, and that is not what you are looking for, it becomes like a warm fuzzy blanket that smothers your chances unless your lucky enough to pull out of it.

The great thing about this book is that you not only practice awareness but also concentration (chapter 6 on), and it is free (just google it).  I am starting with this book first and then starting the exercises in the books I mentioned in the beginning.  Remember, collecting books on concentration with out doing the practice is like collecting books on Astral travel...it will get you nowhere with out the practice.

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This brings up the beef I have with 99% with books on Astral travel.  They never talk about the necessary SKILLS required,only the "technique" which inevitably is just a technique involving loads of concentration.  So, people try it for a while and give up in frustration, looking for the next book that will have the magic technique.  Even Robert Bruce's book on N.E.W energy movement is basically just sitting for 2 hours and concentrating.  BUT...he doesn't talk much about that and so there are probably thousands of people practicing this just spinning their wheels because 100% of their concentration is not on the task.  I liken this to a high jumper writing a book on high jumping for newbies and only giving the techniqe.  "Well, you start from the right side and turn your back, spring into the air and blah blah blah."  How much good would this do the 30lbs overweight couch potato?  Not much.  Techniques without the necessary skills (or fitness) is useless...like much of what is out there on astral travel.

IS it any wonder why those buddist monks spend countless hours in concentration.  Also, some of the greatest Astral projectors of our day have been engineers (Robert Monroe, Bruce Moen, Frank---but in the past it was teh same: Swendborg, Emmerson)  Why is this?  Because their job involves lots of mental concentration upon a task.  This is why Mrs. "Hippie" Mooncrystal is never teaching astral travel courses, because she hasn't finished the prerequisites yet.  This is also why most people on these boards don't go anywhere, they are book and technique collectors but don't put in the time to hone the necessary skills (I also used to be this way only just a short time ago)

Han

Of course.  This is the astral bridge way, or Monroe's Focus 21 state.  Frank, who was a moderator on this forum, used to call this state FZero (do a search and you will find a lot).  Other names it is called are the following:  The void, 3d blackness, velvety blackness, grey fog (can appear that way sometimes).

When I go there it feels awe inspiring, but I also feel like I was dropped off in the middle of nowhere....basically I feel extremely lonley.

Check out these topics:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_experiences/throw_out_your_hifi-t18264.0.html (people used to think it was focus 12)

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/3d_blackness_and_focus_12_the_same_thing-t2924.0.html

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_twilight_zonefocus_12-t24113.0.html

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/3d_dimensional_space-t17561.0.html  (my first experience with it)

Hope that helps, and good job!

Hans

PS. the intense pressure will stop once it fully comes into focus and you allow yourself to Merge into it (instead of gazing at it)

Finally I'm starting to get to grips with what the transition sensation feels like. As a visual metaphor I'm somewhat reminded of a cinematic technique called forshortening, it really does feel like that, but in mental terms. There's a shot in the the film Jaws, where the character Brody is sitting on the beach and he witnesses with horror the kid on the lilo getting killed. At the point where he realises what's going on the scene foreshortens. It's a dramatic effect  Or to put it simply, as I said to Selski once it feels like... zzzzzzzzzpt!

I wrote about this same feeling about a year ago in one of my post. 

1.  I was in F10 and feeling pretty tranced out.  Then, the first truly different thing I noticed is that the 2D blackness became textured.  This is tough to describe, but it is kinda like the texture of the night sky in Van Gough's painting Starry Night (or like oil on lake water).  Now, the contrast was NOT as profound as found in the painting and relatively monochromatic, but you will get the idea.

2. Almost the moment I really started paying attention to these lines I felt a HUGE Shift.  It was like a wave came over me and I sunk into a state of "super consciousness", where my "foggy trance"  fell away and I was EXTREMELY aware.  It was like in a suspense movie were the main actor makes a profound realization and the camera zooms in on their reaction.       
I was more aware after this shift than I am in my daily C1 state (awake aware state)--basically much of the mind chatter stops. 

3.  3D blackness begins.  You become enveloped in this blackness and may start to see spots of color in the distance.  I saw 3D spots of red in the distance that look like the row (fish eggs) on a piece of sushi (but not that pronounced of color).  These spots were overlayed upon what looked like a night sky.  The main thing is with the 3D blackness is that you WILL know when you have reached this state.  Then i felt movement like I am traveling though this space.  The movement was easy to distinguish because it looked like one of those old screen savers for your computer that look like you are traveling through space.  The FEELING when getting to this state is both awe inspiring, but there is a feeling like you are lost in the middle of nowhere and can feel a bit lonely.

I got too excited at this point and went back to C1 in a matter of moments.

Well, I hope the descriptions were relate able to everyone so you will know when you are almost there.  If you "think"  you've seen the 3D blackness you probably haven't.  It is about as subtle as a bull in a china shop.

I also agree with relaxation, but after you relax it is best to use relaxed concentration to phase into a scene.  You will find in focus 10 (MABA) that if you are not concentrating you still won't phase.  You need to absorb yourself into the scene using as many senses as possible.


Han

I agree and disagree with this post.  I have come to the realization that it is not the specific method or technique that really matters with astral projection, it is the skill.  What I mean by this is  that most people go from one method to the next putting there faith in the method and not their skill.  

For instance, lets say that we were all high jumpers and our goal is to high jump over a bar set at 7 feet.  We hear that it is easiest to jump over the bar going from the right side and jumping over it backwards.  So we try this and get mixed results, but we then hear that the left side is the best jumping over forwards, so we try that with mixed results.  Soon we get discouraged and give up or keep trying different approaches with lack luster results.  However, all these methods are still dependent on ones skill and Ability.  The real high jumper gets their muscles and form conditioned to such an extent that clearing the 7 foot mark is possible.  When this happens they can clear this height at will.  

The real conditioning in any occult practice is CONCENTRATION.  Something most of us are severely lacking.  With the necessary concentration one can phase, or astral travel, seemingly at will.  However, this answer is not sexy and would not sell many books on the subject.  "You mean there is WORK that needs to be put into achieving this goal?"  ...YES.  

If you want to get your skill and ability up to par I would recommend reading "The power of concentration"  at http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekTPOCContents.html .  There are more books like this at this site and they are all free.  Also, initiation into hermetics is great book, the master key system is another.  I just started this regime and am coming from an ADD background, so I have some work to do but I do believe this is the REAL key to AP.

The reason I don't think that mantras are all that bad is because you are training your concentration skill.  I don't think it is as good as doing concentration exercises with the THoughtstream Biofeedback machine, but I do think it will help and eventually get you there.

Any thoughts,
Han

It is called the Kings rising levetation, and by no means is it Magikal.  Criss Angel, like most magicians, is a Skeptic or borderline Skeptic.  I listened to him on Pen julliet's radio show.

Another way to articulate this idea is: You are a multidimensional entity. You already exist everywhere. Your body exists in one point in spacetime but another part of you, your 'astral body, etheric body, whatever you want to call it body (prob. not even right to call it a body) exists in every dimension of reality. So when you have the experience of leaving your body, what is happenning is that your consciousness has shifted focus from your body to another point in space-time (aka the RTZ). So you perceive yourself as out-of-body, but only the part of you that your consciousness is focused is not in your body. (Because in reality only one part of you is in your body. The rest is already out.) So instead of saying that you got OB, your consciousness changed focus to OB.
Frankly, IMO this approach is more mystical than the old-fashioned one; the old fashioned one should be called esoteric instead of mystical.

BINGO!!!!!!!   Thank god someone more articulate than me could describe this.  Great job CFTraveler.  

Recently, I have not thought about Astral traveling and instead have only been reading stuff on lucid dreams and WILDS.  I have got to say my success rate has gone up 2000%.  I think it is easier for the subconscious to handle or something, this is why I think the lucid dreams boards are projecting into Focus2 WAY more than this board on astral travel.  Too much esoteric crud.

Han

From reading Astral Dynamics years ago it would seem unlikely that all projections are inwards else how would you explain his experiences with seeing his own body and the mind split thing, and experiences others have where they can either see or feel the presence of their 'double' in the room around them?

That because Robert bruce is a mystic and that is his religion.  Take a look at this website http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23545 .  It is funny because almost ALL these people are having projections, compared to this site, because they just think they are having lucid dreams! (which are the same thing to a degree).  They are more right than people on this site.  The reason people here don't project is because of the fear barrier (all that mystical nonsense about negs) which the Wake induced lucid dreaming (phasing) people don't have.  

Now read this (method 2 & 3) http://www.consciousdreaming.com/lucid-dreaming/astral-projection-and-out-of-body-experiences.htm

Robert Bruce and the Mystical ilk are still clutching on to old paradigms.  I say out with the old in with the truth.

Han

I recently bought the book by Bruce Moen called "The Afterlife Guide book" and this is exactly the type of thing he teaches.  He teaches how to use creative imagination to get into F3 (Frank's) and do retrievals, etc.  He says that you just have to believe.  He also says that he never fully goes into f3 and cant really walk around and be fully immersed in the scenery like phasing.  You might want to check it out.

Han

Through the process i felt no vibrations only sensations as described above and definitely felt like i was floating. i know the rest of my double would have separated if my feet would have come loose

This is an antiquated belief structure.  You never "get out" of your body. All projections are inwards.  Once you realize this it gets easier, and BTW projecting into the RTZ is boring.  Well, I wont go that far (that was kind of a dumb thing to say).  It just isn't the place I like to go because there isn't that much you can accomplish there in terms of self development.

Read some post by Frank.  Books by Robert Monroe (later in his life), Bruce Moen, Ophiel, Seth (from the seth materials), Ramath, etc.  

All Projections are inward!

Han

I'm not too experienced either but i've had 3d blackness. thats not OBE...thats a trance state. You were probably in a trance state and the weed messed with your subconscious insecurites or paranoia

3d blackness is MOST definitely a projection.  In fact it is a further projection than going into the "ASTRAL", but you have to be IN the blackness and not just seeing it behind your eyelids.  This place is termed the Void, or FZ (in Frank model).  Look at this post for more info on this wonderful place "  Throw out our Hi-Fi" by Gandolf.  I would post the link but I am having trouble finding it.  The void is between the "astral" (subconscious) and the after life (f3).  

'Cause I'm sure I encountered some really negative entities in my little trip. And if this is the case, is it a typical one?

Ok.  This is an easy one, so follow along.  The "astral" is you projecting into one of your subconsciuos' minds ideas.  This is like stepping in to a picture painted on a canvas.  The picture is already painted but you can add and delete stuff.  BTW, the Real time zone is you projecting into your subconscious minds idea of your physical surroundings, made more dense due to your belief structures.  FZ, or the "void" ,on the other hand, is like projecting into a BLANK canvas.  This is a really important place because of this.  You can changel literally any belief structure you want there by creating a scene and living your change.

However, the first couple times you go to this place it feels alien, and under the influence you got scared.  While you were scared your subconsciuos mind says "oh, you want to be scared, here i'll help", then it went about CREATING these voices and the various dramas.  You have to go to the void, or the astral with a clear intent of something to accomplish (or at least thats what i do).  Don't give yourself the chance to be scared.

Han

Wow Covelo, that must have taken some time!  I want you to know that it is appreciated.  I would like you to ask this question to Elohim if you wouldn't mind:

"You have spoken before on the benefits of cleaning out your inner worlds.  Once one has projected their consciousness into their inner worlds, what is the best way of cleasing these worlds.  What should we focus on cleansing, Karma? Belief structures?

The reason I ask this is because once one has projected into their inner worlds it is very easy to get caught up in the dreamscape, and you have warned before of not making this practice similar to watching "astral" TV"

Thank you,
Han

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Covelo-

 I got in on this discussion late, but I have to say you have done everyone here a great service.  A more pragmatic question I would like answered is this:

"An entity calling himself "Seth" was channeled by the women Jane Roberts.  In a channeled session Seth relayed information that there was a specific plant somewhat related to Cotton (or cotton-like) that had white,or whitish yellowish, seeds and made it possible for humans to easily project their consciousness into the inner worlds (basically astrally project).  Where may one find this plant and if the plant has already been classified what is its name"

I would like to know this information so that this plant may be found and used to help people more easily discover their inner realities and to be used in therapy.  Thereby, providing a spark for myself and others to grow spiritually and to better learn the nature of reality.

Thanks,
Han

Abraham-

 I agree that many people here jump to conclusion based upon focus 2 experiences, however I commend them for the simple act of seeking the truth and not following the dogma of religions that are so entrenched in politics to loose most aspect of spirituality.

However, I laughed so hard at your original post and was waiting for someone on here to catch on to the glaring irony of your post/beliefs.  Almost the entire religion of Islam is based off of Muhammad's travel through the heavens and hells, which is MOST DEFINITELY an astral travel (Focus 2 or 3 is debatable).  I find it amusing that you would criticize people here for doing the exact same thing that Muhammad did.  

The only difference I see is that the members here are not lobbying the Christian faith to be pronounced a profit, and after being denied vowing to destroy the Christian faith.  I think Muhammad had a bit of a chip on his shoulder after this rejection by the Christian church.(praise be to him in heaven).

I love you though, you make me laugh.

Han

The mere thought that Franks unfinished book may rest for ever in his PC is very disturbing

VERY disturbing.  For all of his post here it is very hard to put everything together without having experienced it first hand (Ie. for me that means focus3-4).  Also,  he was saving his dissertation about focus2 and the "wishing well (FZ)",  and using these focus levels to create reality in F1, for his book.  I have been looking forward to this book FOREVER!!  If he does not show up soon I will hunt him down, or at least his computer


Han



PS.  BTW, sorry to everyone I snapped at in my previous posts, I was having a low blood sugar moment.  My diet has got that under control now.  I do feel for those that have not been justly compensated for their private classes and understand their anger.

Does everyone Frank Follower have such low intelligence?
He has no book, e-book, or through a publisher and no-one has seen it. And if he's spent 4 years on these forums, they've been a waste of time as me and most other don't understand a word he's saying half the time. If he couldn't pull out a book in 4 years, while he' spent all his time pratting on with this forum, he's not a credible author, and has not even made the first basic step to being a master of any kind. I really don't know why people are defending him.

I think you have answered your own question with this response.  If you don't understand a word he is saying then I would like to know your rationale for why WE are the low intelligence ones?  He finally started writing the book due to pressure from members on this forum to put everything into one place. I have been able to phase because of Frank, so it must be YOUR intelligence, or lack there of, that is inhibiting you from understanding this technique.

The fact remains there are no books on phasing in the past 5 years

It is funny because you quoted my response and then wrote this nonsense response.  DID YOU EVEN READ THAT QUOTE!  BRUCE MOEN, BRUCE MOEN!  He does a technique that is identical to phasing.  A horse by any other name is still a horse.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1571741011/qid=1129645789/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-8601176-7116042?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

I think we all understand the real reason for your venom.  This episode of Frank's disappearance gives you a reason to bash him because his theories are stepping on your belief's toes.    

With Love,

Han

If you were out partying that night then by the time your body went to sleep your blood sugar levels were probably ridiculously low.  This causes a surge of adrenaline in the body, which usually results in the subconscious interpreting this as you being under threat (ie nightmares).  Your imagination does the rest of the work to create these "worms".  This time it just so happened that you gained "control" while in the nightmare.

I am hypoglycemic so this happens to me on a regular basis.  I have to eat protein or a very slow burning carb before I go to bed in order to counteract this response (and to feel better in the morning).  I know, this is not as sexy an answer as "Dark energies", but it is probably more in line with reality.

Han

There is one simple rule in my book, if that person has not got a book you can buy from amazon.com and has a ISBN no, he's not a credible author.

Yikes!  The coolest things I have learned in recent years have been from ebooks.  Many times publishers have their own agendas, and ebooks give the common man the ability to easily publish their ideas with out many of the hassles of self publishing,etc.  But hey, that is your preference and may be the best for you.

Well to be honest, I have to look at it from this point of view. The scam artists that do use that layout, use it for a reason. That reason is probably being that it works Razz It would make no sense for said person to use a layout that gives them nothing instead. (Don't take this as saying I think your site is a scam, more like your format does most likely work)

Right on.  This format is EXTREMELY powerful.  So powerful that both scam artist and people with great ideas and skills both use it.  A scam "idea" to one person may be the Holy Grail to another.  

He had hundreds of people paying for his services, maybe his partner ran away with the money and now he's ashamed to contact you.

How do you know hundreds of people were paying for this?  100X30 a month =3000 a month.  It went on for 3 months, so a total gain of 9000-10000 dollars.  Some people prepaid so lets make that number 15000 dollars.  I believe this number to be "astronomically" high, but it is irrelevant to the argument.

Now, here is how a REAL scam artist would work.  First he would help this first group for a while in order to get enough money to expand his service and computer support network (in order to handle more people).  Even if he was only nominally helping them none of them would really put up a fuss, most of them would blame themselves for their lack of dedication, commitment, etc.

Then he would release his book which would garner more support for his private classroom.  Most of us here know that Frank was a prolific writer.  Take a look at the volumes he wrote in his archives in the past couple of years, so any ideas that he was never in the process of writing an book can be quickly dismissed.  This book was much anticipated, so why in the WORLD would he not release it?  Only an idiot scam artist of the highest order would not release this book.

Next, because of the hype of book he would take on more virtual classroom customers.  Although, this time due to the large response he would be "forced" to increase the price and ask people to prepay for the number of months.  So lets say each new customer would have to pony up 500-600 dollars.  He would start his own forum where he could moderate without impunity, and unsatisfied customers that posted here would immediately be thought of as expecting a miracle, or astral travel by "osmosis", and would be summarily dismissed.  He would do this until the negative response was more than he could deal with and then "poof", no more scam artist.

Scam artist tend to bleed the most out of things and would NEVER run before critical mass was hit.  Only a crack head scam artist would think like this.

On the other hand, Frank was like a cat when it came to the "trans-dimensional" areas of consciousness.  He was so curious by these areas that I expect that he attempted to explore them to the detriment to his health.  Remember, Frank said that it would take him a little more than an hour to orient himself with C1 (the physical) after being in focus 4 for an extended amount of time.  I hope he can pull through this and my heart and blessing go out to him in this time of need.  He is truly an explorer of the highest magnitude that came here to spend untold hours selflessly sharing his ideas and techniques.  I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and instead focus on sending him our prayers.

" Now can anyone one person here point me to a modern book on Phasing techniques available on ebay/amazon published withing 5 years? "

What is this question even driving at?  Bruce Moen does a modern phasing techniqe, oh and lets not forget that little writer.....whats WAS his name....oh yea, Robert Monroe! (although, he was after your 5 year time constraint)   Franks scientific approach to astral projection is probably NOT what Llewlayan was looking for in their many books on fantasy land. Hell, how many here have astrally projected using Robert Bruces NEW ENERGY?  Not many, however I know many here on this forum have benefited from phasing.  I am one of those memebers.  Robert Peterson is no unique master, his ebooks read the same as every other OBE author.  In his book he just dilly dalles in the RTZ, how BORING!  Just because your published, doesn't mean your a master.

. i mentioned robert bcuz he takes a totally different approach to his books, his business, etc. he's building a reputation, which i believe is of utmost importance.
but i don't have to tell you that.

I agree.  If that reputation is wearing around tin foil hats, surrounding your bed in a moat of running water, chanting to various deities all in the name of protection from "NEGS".  (just at the mention of negs Han runs around foaming at the mouth looking for crystals to protect himself).  Or, not projecting because you are unable to spend 2 hrs a night doing energy work.  Although, he obviously believes in what he teaches so I can't give him too much flak.  The definition of a scam artist is one that KNOWS what he is teaching is full of SH** but continues to do so becasue of the pay off.  Does this sound like either Robert Bruce or Frank.  NO.  



Han solo[/quote]

feel absolutely no jealousy here.
This also relates to what Hans was saying about trust. I trust my wife. What I trust in is not that she will never look at, flirt with, or even get intimate with another guy. I place no restrictions on her. I trust in her love for me, her desire to be with me as a partner and companion.
This is because we place our companionship above sex in our relationship.
Neither do we confuse sex for love. Sex can (and should) be a physical expression of love, but it's not the be-all and end-all of love.

 Then this is your social contract, so if she gets intimate with another then there is no "cheating" involved.  There is no trust to be broken in this case because there was no boundaries that you, or she, crossed.

Han

nice topic-


Cheating in a relationship implies that one cheated on the "social contract".  Period.   Basically it means that one person violated the trust.

So, if the social contract is to only be intimate with with your partner and you violate that contract you "cheated" on that trust.  For goodness sake if you are going to cheat either: don't tie yourself down with being exclusive (what I do), or dissolve the social contract before you "cheat" on the other persons trust.

Everything else is just a rationalization for betraying another persons trust.

Adultery / Cheating is having sex with someone you are not in love with. You might even be married to them, but if you no longer love them, then sex together is adultery. Sex with someone you love is not adultery

 illogical arguement because the premise is incorrect (first line).  This is how politicians con the public.  They make the definitions mean anything they want.  With a faulty premise you can argue anything you want.

I feel I should be saying "So what's your point???"

Ethics? Morals? If so then who's morals?

For those of us in full time relationships - let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone

 It comes down to the basic law "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".  It is just about being a stand up person.  It is funny that I am talking about this because I date from 1-5 girls at any one time, but I always let them know that we are not exclusive.  In fact, I tell them this when we first meet and continually through out the relationship (its not my fault they want to be the one to change me )

Telos-

Sound like you need to get out and enjoy this life and what this world has to offer.

Han

My breathing become hard too.  It seems this happens right before or during Mind awake body asleep.  All of a sudden I hear myself take in a huge gasping breath.  It may not be that the breathing is different, it may be the auditory sound of your breathing is magnified, or breathing autopilot is being engaged.  In any case, this has knocked be out of mind awake body asleep (MABA) many times.

Don't think of it as a roadblock, think of it as a road sign.  Just think, now you know where you are on the road to phasing, no more wallowing in the dark (no pun intended).

Keep it up, and this will no longer effect your state.  It will become just one of many guidepost.

good luck
Han

Learn how to astral travel or lucid dream, and fly, fly away.  Also, if it is possible, and I am not saying it isn't, your best off having your questions answered in the different focus levels than by people on an Internet forum.

If all else fails ask Goku

Han

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I would firstly like to say that EVIL is something i fight, not embrace. Thank you CaCoDeMoN for showing some wisdom in this situation. I should have clarified why I can not escape his presence sorry. I have to sit through long lectures during school. This guy is in every class I have. He also takes the liberty to sit near me, despite my efforts.

As far as Quote:
Kill? Isn't it easier to just not talk with him?
goes, it's not him talking that disturbs me. I simply find his presence disturbing and am completely unable to foc

Ahhhh.....HOW CUTE! You just discovered the emotion of love, or at least attraction.  Just ask any married couple. I will leave you two love birds alone.  Does your heart flutter around him?  This is SO cute.

Han