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Ok, can we get more in touch with what is trying to be done here? I think the term "universal language" is bad, even though subtley, and should be reworded..."The Language of the People on Earth", or more easily "Human's Speak", just because something on this level doesn't need to be half-hearted.

Now as for Latin, I love how it sounds, but a lot of people would admit that the rules necessary to learn it are pretty vast. Can't we take a note from Esperanto and other similar ideas that rules for general concepts such as nouns and verbs should be identical? Nouns always have an -o at the end, are always pluraled with -j, and that's it. I always liked that concept. But I say again, Latin is much too complicated for everyone on Earth to learn. Way way way too complicated; won't work.

3rd time the charm?: Can we please please please work on my language idea? PLEASE?

I'm not sure why people differentiate between poetry and novels sometimes. Can't there be poetry novels? I think something like this could be one, if it were possible.

You probably pushed around your blood up into your head when you did this. It is a little stressful on the physical body when you do sudden energy work like this. I suggest a little more patience with forcing your body to do something, such as taking more time with it.

Plus, you may have just thought you were dizzy, because some of the feelings you get in your gut are sick, stomach turning feeling if you do things properly when you're not expecting them or unready for them. You also have the option to keep on doing such excersizes and trying to look past the dizziness for the greater rewards.

PS- Do you like the taste of electricity?

...all these cool spirits learn to deal with loud, funny dressed astral walnuts,

but he thought they should check out some of the nifty "Random Doorways of Doom" before they seeked out such help.

Just then Locke...

What some people don't know here is that much of this thread is insanely biased towards alpha maleness. What you all need to be wary of though is the title: The Art of Seduction.

I am not willing to go down the alpha male route, simply because with being an alpha male there is always the problem of pain. I've never seen an alpha male not get hurt or hurt himself on some level, but many think it is worth it to satisfy the basic human inside all of us.

I say to all of those people out there who think like that: I feel sorry for how misguided you've been. Are there any alpha males (or females) out there who want to come to the other field where the grass is sort of greener?

Ack hehe, I got confuddled, sorry about that Jon_88. Your name was accidentally put in place of Hephaestus, because of this confuddlement. I actually liked your post and because of this contentment I forgot it was in the same thread! Gah, stupid memory! Just bonk me over the head a few times for payback and maybe things will be ok? Do you forgive me? (edit* hehe no problem)

Anypoop, despite that, I'll go back over what you said now, and redo my whole ummm, thing (I have a little more time now so I'll work on it as I can):

"One would also need a system of getting rid of foreign objects intaken in the lungs espessially , since it will be significant after a few hundred years or 100 even ,if you smoke." -Jon_88
You do have a good point here, but shouldn't we strive towards being able to do as we wish, and more importantly be able to survive things that we may be forced to endure (well just a stupid example is second hand smoke)?

"If not one would need an imune system that assimilates foreign organs into your own rather than reject it, to change the lungs every so often." -Jon_88
A more complete solution would be to self-modify your own lungs as they got bad. In essense, will them to get better. If this is too much stress, then we'll have to evolve a little bit I guess

"Assuming no technology is involved , one would need to get new teeth at regular intervalls , the strange thing is , it seems Humans have this capacity now today!! . A portion of Senior citizen get a new set of teeths when their 70-80(i think it was). Thise teeths often come out very wrong and is operated out. But capability seems to be there ." -Jon_88
I didn't know about this other set of teeth (thanks for that bit of knowledge), but as you said with smoking, to not do it, did you know that people in Africa that do not have any sugars in their diet at all have perfect teeth until they die quite a bit of the time? However, if an immortal person learns how to consume spirit energy to live from, as some people have developed a knack for, then there will be no need for all of this dental work later on in life.

"Well assuming a close to imortal state was possible (it is myths over many countries about great age or imortality , elixir of life ,metusla etc), how would it manifest ?" -Jon_88
It may not need to manifest, but maybe we just have to learn how to tap into it, and once that happens, manifestation wouldn't be a big powerful show, it would just be.

"Something you intake ? while dietry is important and can keep you healthy longer something spesial to eat would be severly limiting in your radius of opperation if no technology was had.But feaseble i guess, most myths is concerned with something you consume and you get to be imortal , but it might have been doctered in at a early state in its creation (of the myth) to make it seem obtaineble to all. This is also the way science will atempt imortality." -Jon_88
Ingestion of a simple substance seems like oversimplification of the process. Maybe such an item could render you invulnerable in certain ways for a time, but I doubt that any results could be lasting forever. Usually something like this makes for a good story, but I would not persue this route if I personally were on this quest.

"Some spesial object that will keep you young as long as your the owner ? This is very into the realm of magic and since i know nothing of magic (or very little) its the least feaseble way in my eyes." -Jon_88
This is sort of like the last thing to me, and a really good example would be The Lord of the Rings here. I don't have the heart or desire to believe that some wierd random object has any power over my soul to this level, therefore such a path would not work for me.

"Perhaps another science way would be to cast away the flesh and do a mind transplant into a new body or machine (or the inter/cybernett of the future for that matter), Is this imortality ? Science would say yes . All religions would most likely say no ,as science would most likely give no gueranti for the spirit or souls to be copied with the mind." -Jon_88
Simple...I'd rather die. Make a robot companion for me though, that would be fine.

"The last way i can think of is that we got a system availeble right now .But is for some reason turned off , and its not enough to want to live longer to turn it on (since one would assume there is great many that want it ) . We know if the cells are resuplied with a enzym(or was it hormon) they will continue to divide and assuming that they will make fresh cells and not cancer , then perhaps the answer is literally locked away in the brain.
The brain aswell as the body is a HIGHLY andvanced chemical factory makeing all kinds of strange substances out of water and whatever ells you put in . So it realy is not far fetched to think that body could resuply the cells with the wonderdrug if it realy wanted. Unless off course it is bloody good reasons not to!
One might be cancer may occur if cells are copied to many times (science reason as to this is not happening). Another might be perhaps about 100 years is enough of a try to acomplish something .And if beliving in afterlife the body dies while the spirit/soul gets to try again...
...Today it is documented cases that people suddenly CAN get well of even the most malign tumor. Some of them when asked say they IMAGINED they would get well ,others prayed or recieved healing. So assuming no one went out their way in making modern myths. The imune system CAN be used in such a way ,killing off things that is totally disassioated with the "sence of self". Atleast i belive in this.
So why werent thise people turned imortal assuming this was what happend ? I dunno , perhaps they went on with their life loosing that precius sence that they apperantly had gone trough great length to build up ,the job was done was is not? Perhaps they were imortal for a little while and the brain was beginning to resuply the cells when as mentioned before the sence was lost and the brain shut down this opperation in fear of cancer." -Jon_88
I went ahead and put these in the same category. They seemed to relate to the same thing, using sheer willpower to cure yourself of anything. I like this concept, but it needs to be further looked into because this part of the brain process is very vague. I think it might have something to do with Kundalini though.

"I think if such an imortality is possible it realy would show an amazing synergy between the body and spirit , Perhaps one would need an exelent developed spirit that can output a so strong aura that it would work as a refference line as how the body should be. Then the body would have no reason to withold imortality if it has the capability as the imune system and aura then would make short process of anything deviating from the sence of self(viruses and hostile bacteria would stand no chance ,thought poisening would be a hazard still)." -Jon_88
I put this separate for the "synergy between the body and spirit" part. It shows another side of the issue that relates to the Astral world, in essense maybe it is in fact something of another world that would allow such a state. Would it go as far as involving necromancy in some ways? Scary...

"With the result some of thise ex cancerpatients will look somewhat better for their age but nothing spectacular. Imortality is not something spotted in the mirror the next day after it is achieved , it is the true test of time . The body as wonderfull as it apperantly CAN be still needs time to work its magic." -Jon_88
I sense that you're saying that most cancer patients look better for their age. This could mostly be attributed to the cleansing their entire body goes through with the radiation treatments, or even the drugs. I think a big issue is that we all reside in the now timeframe rather than 70 years from now, but that may change in upcoming generations, who knows?

"Finnally they had perhaps no belief in imortality and thats why it didnt happen after , why would the body suply imortality if the mind cant take it? thats torture." -Jon_88
Good Highlander example. They became outcasts, but over centuries of time, they learned to love and take advantage of their gifts, most of the time. Torture is a possible outcome, but a lot of people would also say life on Earth as it is is also torture in many ways.

"Wich brings up how would an imortal behave after realizing he wouldnt die? Well guess the variance in personality would be as much as in normal persons but they would have some diffrences just as rich people dont worry much about their personal spendings .
An imortal wouldnt care much for the normal "live the life to max and earn enough to afford decent life after 65 years"(or whenever people do retire). He would have an ocean of time. And could easely put off things he be meaning to do a decade or so , atleast after he had lived 100-200 years allready.
Money ? Put a smallish amount in toiletpaper stocks(people of the future still needs to take a dump) or other safe investments. And let interest/dividend and time itself make money. Or retirement funds for that matter ,thinking about the face of the director when he realizes he would pay a kickass sum every month forever !
I wouldnt think such a person would need a mirror much exept for coaming their hair , Since they pretty much would have a pretty good feeling of what they look like." -Jon_88
I'm not sure if being immortal would make me more concerned about the way I look or how much money I have. Out of habit, though, I would probably keep grooming myself and live somewhat of a similar life that I currently have. I'd be afraid of being outcast by my family because of my gift, but I'm not so sure that that's a problem anymore. I think we need to focus on actually becoming immortal before we decide how we'd act after we become immortal.

When I think of The God, I think of the idea that something can really contain everything; life, the universe, us, everything we understand and don't understand, philosophy and its answers, good and evil both, essentially everything. The thing is though, this God is not just the container, but the stuff inside it too, so really you can see god if you know how to look at the rock properly, because the rock is part of God. I think the idea of being created in it's image is the act of being intelligent life (and our soul/spirit), not so much the physical form.

If you know for certain then, teleport here then robertk4you. I'd really like to meet you in person!

Akensai, that was the purpose of this thread, to discuss how (and to make it known to all of us) immortality COULD BE possible, to answer your "most important" question. As to actual documentation of immortality, you have strange myths, the spirit immortality theory, alex chiu, future scientific advancement, and personal beliefs on top of all that.

Firstly, from what I see based on the other 2 posts are assumptions that immortality can never be possible, but I want to know how you, Jon_88 and Hephaestus, know this? Are you 100% sure that physical immortality as I have described is impossible? Can you also prove that I will never be psychic or be able to tk based on the fact that I haven't up until this point? Yes, immortality, based on MY definitions and statistics of the human race up until now, say it is completely impossible. However, belief causes a lot of change to happen. Could it be that we aren't immortal because we're afraid of it, or that we just don't believe in it?

So I ask for people to present factual info they can find on the subject, be it good or bad (or maybe an ability to predict the future). I'm not looking for acceptance or denial, just knowledge.

First, I feel like apologizing for abandoning this thread for a week, since I have been focused in a different line/path for a bit.

And how interesting this has become, since I just rerererererereread the last posts by Moonburn33 and Tri Section; both of you guys agree essentially as to what 4d is! Yay! So the linking of all points to each other (aka - wormholes always have existed and always are available from any point to any other) is 4d. I'm just interested as to why this takes precedence over time in both of your minds.

>One thing I've always considered is the fact that all dimentions are as important as the other and should not be given the limitations that we put on them as such, so I suggest having no particular order for what you have other than for your own organizational purposes. Essentially meaning that 0d really isn't 0d, it's just another dimention that you've labeled 0d because it looks like the mast basic one. Is it really so basic? <Just a suggestion

Anyhoo, I'm not too sure what to say beyond that. I'm a little confused as to a few points that you have right now Tri Section and I think you should elaborate on where this is going for you, and as to what you currently have.

I'm unsure if it's wise to say that. Everyone should know about telekinesis, where you move very very tiny things and only a little bit, and then you get better at it over time and depending on your energy level.

How do we know that teleportation isn't similar, like teleporting an inch away and such. I would suggest mastering levitation first though before this, simply because if you find yourself 1000 feet in the air one trip, you might want to stop your downward momentum! If anyone who has played the game Tribes (where you teleport up up up, you run out of energy and then you come crashing down at a high speed, you explode upon contact with the ground), you'll see what I mean.

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong and teleportation is an extention of levitation (since they both involve movement of something with the mind). Does anyone have any thoughts about how the 2 abilities could be related?

It probably had a piece of toast shoved in the dvd tray? I don't think the Xbox gets hungry...who knows though?

Elaborate more on the dragon then? Some examples of what I'm getting at are:
Is Kitchi a good or evil dragon?
How big and powerful is this dragon?
Is s/he willing to help you sort out all of this as it comes to you?
How did you first meet him/her?

There are other questions...just giving you a few to think about. If you already posted about this, then sorry, I'll look at your other posts asap.

I suggest try to think how you are different now than you were then, but don't discard those memories all together. There must have been some good come out of what you did in that life; try to learn from what happened then.

Another option is to post what you remembered here and collectively we could try to help you.

Aye, volcomstone's post is what I was trying to avoid. No one knows if they were hiding anything, and I have a feeling they sort of were and weren't at the same time.

A good example of what I'm getting at is the rough draft of a novel. If it's not error/grammar checked and properly looked over by an editor, it won't go into print as is. Aka - if all they have is good guesses and predictions as to what something is, then they won't distribute it to the public for them to mock NASA for their poor work. Now that they've gotten to a point where it can be almost proven that this distant orbiting object exists via telescopic or radio transmissions, they're more willing to discuss it.

If they have been hiding the info, I'd like to see you try to prove that they have, anybody. I can't and am unwilling to try; I have more important things to work on.

I've seen you change quite a bit since you first got here. It seems you're learning quickly, but as we all know, we all have a long way to go.

By the way, you don't have to suck up to stay here! Just kidding, but I find it quite soothing that you pay homage to the site like this. It's almost like a prayer of good fortune, and in a lot of ways it is. As for things looking different, I ask you: How have things changed so drastically in your eyes (aka - elaborate!) ?  Plus if you were to start over, how would you shorten the path you used to get to here?

What about those people with more than one skill? Kinda makes the people with only one ability look small ane measily in comparison. Something to discard like a bag of trash...yelch.

^That's what some people truely think^, however, to combat this, try to get everyone to use their inherent abilities so we can all benefit from the harmony of it. I think that paints a nice picture of how humans can evolve together into trancendentation (long as crap word there!), or at least on a closer time scale to learn to stop hating what they don't understand or won't accept.

This butterfly effect post was brought to you by:

I kind of figured this would happen eventually.

What most people don't realize today is that even seeing the other planets orbiting the sun, the already known ones, requires quite a bit of skill, and most require effective use of rules of a telescope (the $200+ ones folks). It's not like they jump out at you and say "Hey! Look at me! I'm Uranus! Hahaha!" Sorry bad joke, but seriously, it isn't peanut butter jelly sandwiches, or even a cold cut trio.

Give them a little credit for their diligent skill and effort. Don't laugh at them because it took them this long. Pray for them to find out even more.

Well, I personally use mIRC for my chatroom client instead of the scripting they use for browser based rooms (can connect to more than one channel, less processor intensive so easier to connect to multiple servers if you want, and script interface so you can develop text based games or special functions if you need them, plus other things...).

If anyone needs help setting up mIRC for the rooms used on various webpages (the ones that start with #RoomName are IRC based chatrooms), I can help you with it. It's much more complicated than any OBE technique out there, so I figure I should get a couple PMs regarding this. (Step 1 usually requires downloading the client, so if you don't want to download a 1 mb file, then just use the web clients...) Just PM me if you want help on IRC stuff.

So what exactly does it say then Kerr? It's too hard to parse for a world language, but I guess geeks can dream (and who says computers aren't taking over the world anyways?).

And on top of that, can we please please please work on my language? I'm getting more eager every time I look at this thread...I should just go hide for the weekend or something! Ahhhhhhh!!!!! [xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(]

ok, to achieve trance for you...think about something that causes you to be in wonder about...like let's say unicorns running through a field.

Focus on them and everything about them and try to play the movie over and over in your head from different perspectives. Eventually your mind should automatically start to wonder about and you should lose focus of your body. The problem I have with this method is I like what I see so much that I eventually pass out from all the good vibes running through my mind; very very hard to stay awake more than 5 minutes.

However if you can bypass the sleep issue (should be fine if you oversleep on a Sat morning or something, and then do this after that), you should be able to achieve and hold a good trance state for a good 15-20 minutes at minimum.

I'm wondering if this could've been a setup for a murder. Or maybe I think way too much in terms of Hollywood when I hear about something like this. Either way, it made for good imagination material; thanks Tisha!

Hehehe, what was the purpose of that Kerrblurr? Can you edit some of that out to make it easier on the forum borders (or at least put a few spaces in there)?

SpectralDragon, can you elaborate on the differences between thought form projection and telepathy?

Whoa, a new rock/synth version of The Neverending Story theme song. One of my favorite songs of all time! Thanks for that link James S. I'm starting to like this band more and more...

Sodaconstructor seems a little too finicky for my tastes, but was nice for the first few minutes of sliding sliders around.

Smarterchild was ok, but I've seen much better AI systems (not major IM software based like this though). I'm still waiting for one that will hold my conversation till the end rather than after 1 line.

Ok, ok, enough of criticism for tonight, and as a peace offering: //www.flashflashrevolution.com. Don't get addicted more than I have!