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quote:Originally posted by Hapsmapit
I have noticed that when I leave my body, it happens to occur on one of three basic levels. The most common level is the Real Time level, where I exit my body in whatever house/room I fell asleep in. There, objects are exactly as they are in waking life. It also never fails that wherever I fall asleep (parents', friends', at home); that is what I see. While the clarity of vision varies from foggy to brighter than waking life, the accuracy of where physical objects lie, so far, has been 100%.

I agree with this observation of yours.  At least for me, a majority of them happen from the place where I am physically at (aka RTZ).

The ones that don't usually have me exiting in the black void often talked about amongst fellow projectors, and from there, I usually end up in an unknown location.  However, most of mine start with me rolling out of my body in what appears to be my bedroom.

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The second level I have experienced, less often, has been a level with a negative, heavy feeling, often accompanied by terrifying laughter in deep voices, and sometimes disturbing revelations of things which happened in waking life later that day or week.  I haven't yet made head or tails of what that level is, but I often am pulled out of my body during those episodes. I have also seen silvery beings with human form, but felt a malevolent energy expressed from them.

I can't relate to this one.  The only time I have heard "scary" things before is in the separation stage, which I usually attribute to hypnogocic sounds.  When passing through the thin layer of the imagination to the astral, it is very common to encounter a wide variety of sights and sounds.  

Some hear music....some hear screaming. While I have heard both, I usually hear what I like to call an "absence of sound."  It's almost like a sound vacuum, sucking all the air from around me as I separate.  It can be mistaken for "hissing" too.

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The third level I have experienced has been of a delightful character, where I have seen glowing energy, in the form of a ball.  It was so peaceful, and hovered, waiting for me to hover up to it. I have also flown during these.

I have not seen anything like this either.  But I have only been projecting for five years, so you may just have more experience than myself.

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Never have I experienced any silvery chord.  (In over 13 years of OBE's).

Neither have I.  However, I believe those who expect to find the chord will probably find it.  Just like those who look at their bed when they are projected may or may not see their physical body lying there, simply because the subconscious may choose to hide that from them for reasons unknown.

I have had so many projections, I don't remember off the top of my head if I ever felt a chord.  I would have to go back in the OBE Journal program and see if I ever logged such an experience with it.  I can tell you, though, that if we do have a silver chord, then it is not noticable to the projector.

Congratulations!  I have noticed on many occassions that the astral appendages (arms, legs) feel numb.  Almost like when you try walking when your foot is asleep.

Like all experiences, make sure you write them down in a journal, so you can look back and see how far you've come from the first projection.

My first OBE, I wasn't even able to separate from my physical shell, and I had no astral vision.  Now, I'm flying all over the place and eating astral wall plaster.  Hehe.

Hey Cel.....

I don't think you deserve to get shunned for your beliefs.  On the other hand, why do you let these guys bother you like this?  So what if they have a problem with your viewpoint?  Don't let it get to you.  

Here is how I look at things.  If I get ridiculed by 9 out of 10 people, that means there is at least one person who is curious about my viewpoint.  So again, take things with a grain of salt.  And please, stick around.

I'm not a hypnotist by anymeans, but all they do is give you "suggestions" which you instinctively respond to.

So what I do during my relaxation stage is that I mentally give myself suggestions.  I mentally tell myself, "Ok, now you're beginning to feel very relaxed.  That's it.  You're beginning to feel yourself melt from your feet up to your head......"

There is no set script that I go by.  There are just general rules of hypnotism (self-suggestion) that you should follow.  Here are some of them:

1) I usually repeat things to myself.  I don't just suggest that I get relaxed and BOOM!  It happens.  I keep reiterating the suggestion over and over until I respond to it.

2) Never give yourself a negative suggestion.  In other words, don't use negative words, like "don't", "no", can't", and things like that.  Keep everything positive.  "You ARE starting to relax."  "You WILL begin to feel numb." etc.

Hope that helps. You should also do a Google search for things like "self hypnosis", "auto suggestion", and "hypnotism" in general.

quote:Originally posted by zaicer

One of te reasons why I want to learn OBE is becouse I want to explore space, but I am not good enough yet.

So If there is someone who went outside Earth during their OBe, maybe they could share their experiances???

I have only had one memorable trip outside of the earth's atmosphere.  Here is a direct copy of that OBE, taken from the OBE Journal.  To download the free OBE Journal, click the link in my signature:

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08/13/01 5:00am

Wow, what an amazing night I had last night.  It was the first night that we were houseboating, and during the night, sleeping was normal.  Early in the morning, I had to use the bathroom very badly, but I must have held it, going back to sleep for about an hour.  Finally, I got up, went to the bathroom in the water, and then went back to bed.  That is when everything happened.

I had so many experirences last night, it's impossible to remember them all right now.  But I can tell you that I felt in complete control, that I could have had an experience whenever I wanted.  

The most memorable one was when I was lying down, and I took my arms and dove into the ground. Almost right afterwards, I felt water, and I was diving deeper and deeper into Lake Shasta.  This was accurate to my location physically, which was on a houseboat.

Then, while underwater, I switched directions and began to go up.  I ended up coming out of the water and heading towards the stars. Last time I tried this, I became scared, but I was keeping myself calm this time.  At first, despite my extremely fast speed, the stars which I was looking at were remaining the same size.  Then, they all started to stream past me, like some warp drive special effect on Star Trek!  

I stopped right in front of the moon, which at this time as completely dark except for the light reflecting from the earth.  It appeared dark and ominous, filled with craters.  I was thinking about landing on it since it was literally right in front if me, but then I decided to turn around and look at the earth.  It was amazing!  The earth was in front of me, not very big, but still large enough to make out the outlines of countries.  I then started to fly very fast towards the earth, and I started to skim the surface of what is Africa.  I saw bushes and things blow by me very fast, and then I lost control and ended up back in my body.

Another time, I ended up flying to some street, and watching cars drive by.  I felt incredible freedom knowing that I could do anything I wanted to do.  I walked near some ledge of stones and ran my hand over it to feel what it felt like. The feeling on my hand seemed to be a bit distant, as if I felt it, but my hand was numb or something.  I even knocked on the stone to see how solid it felt.

Up ahead near a store,  I saw a couple of cars parked outside, loading up people. I flew over to them, and looked at them inside.  I then saw another car with a girl passenger and a guy driver pass me, so I flew behind them slowly for about 2 minutes, following them as they went into some driveway of a house.  

In another experience that morning, I was in some mystical place, almost like a courtyard of a castle or something.  I picked up a picture frame and it had something written on the picture, which I remember being english, but the combination of words didnt make sense.  

Everyone of these experiences as well as the ones which I dont remember were very clear, and lucid.

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quote:Originally posted by Nagual
How much physical sensations did you get?  Felt the food go down your throat?  Go into your stomac?

Well, for one, I wouldn't consider astral wall plaster 'food' by any stretch of the imagination.  []  But I know what you're getting at.  To answer your question, it felt every bit as real as it would if I did it while I was awake.

The only difference was that there didn't seem to be a taste at first, and then, the chalky sensation came to my taste buds, and my mouth felt real dry....which is why I wanted to drink some water.

quote:Originally posted by themadness
Hey, does anyone know if Tom or Frank is ever coming back?

Frank and I used to post a lot together a few years ago on this forum, and like everyone else, I looked up to him.  However, I ended up taking a break from the Astral Pulse for over a year, and in that time, Frank actually wrote me, seeing how I was.  This was probably 8 months ago.

Well, now I'm back and Frank is the one missing!  I wrote him two emails over the last two months, just to let him know that we're all thinking about him, and to see if he was OK.  Unfortunately, I never got a response.  []

The closest thing to a moving vehicle that I OBE'ed in was on a house boat.  It was docked at the time, but I OBE'ed through the bottom of the boat and found myself underwater somewhere.

You could feel the water all around your body.  I ended up wanting to get out of the deep, so I shot up through the water and ended up floating a few miles off the surface of the moon!  It was really big and scary, since I was looking at a semi-dark surface (filled with ominous craters).

Anyway, that was one of my most memorable OBE's, since I went from two extremes (underwater and then into space).

Thank you MustardSeed.  You have a very Merry Christmas and a happy holiday season.  []

quote:Originally posted by ben22

im using the methods described in the treatise on obe. when i project, would i just find myself climbing up my imaginary rope, or would i need to get up?

It doesn't sound like you're projecting at all, but still at the pre-separation phase, when you're using your imagination to help trigger the OBE separation stage.

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also, how close am i to projecting when i get the vibrations. thanks.

If you get the vibrations that are often linked to OBE's (and not just some physical body tremors or twitches), then you are very close.  All you would have to do is allow the vibes to overcome you and roll out of your body.

quote:Originally posted by Huwie

I'll tell you what I think is weird about this board - unless I've just missed it all.  If this board is where a lot of projectors hang around, where are all the stories?

I realise a lot must have been posted in the past, but I would imagine if it were me I would be posting all the damn time about my experiences!

Huwie....I for one don't post ALL my experiences, simply because some would be boring to the general public.  

I usually only post my OBE experiences if I had an exceptionally good one, or if I learned something new which needs to be shared.

Congratulations on your baby!  You know, funny you should mention the 3D ultrasound.  I'm a programmer for a company which develops that very same type of software.  Pretty cool stuff, and it sure beats the old ultrasound days with 2D fuzzy images! []

Hi John...welcome to the Astral Pulse.

quote:My wife of 17 years just found out about my "gift" and she is horrified. She says it's from a demon inside me. She says I should pray to GOD for forgiveness and never use it again.The church is also upset about it.

Ihave experienced the same reaction from family members who're deeply religious when they found out about my OBE ability.  I truly believe this reaction is rooted in their own fear of the unknown.

I mean let's face it....they only THINK this stuff is of the devil because of what they believe and what they've been taught.  NOT from what they have experienced.

quote:Should I denounce this gift or try to keep using it to help people? Should I come out of hiding and celebrate it.

John, we are all on our own spiritual journey.  I would say "follow your heart and do what's right for YOU and your spiritual path."

This obviously isn't the path for your wife, so in that respect, in order to patch any chasms in your marriage, I would cease to mention these things with her.  When dealing with a religious person, you will hardly ever find a compromise.  E.g. "Ok, you can continue to do those things but don't tell me about it."  

They are very rooted in their belief systems, unfortunately, and there isn't much you can do except continue developing your gift in secret.

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I don't contact the dead or use ouija boards,(that stuff scares me to death)GOD doesn't answer me. Would you give me some advice?

Again, I say go with your heart.  After I made the mistake of telling the wrong (religious) people about my gifts, I was chastised for dabbling in the works of the devil.  However, I knew in my heart of hearts that I couldn't just STOP what I was doing.  I had to push forward in order to answer my own spiritual questions.

So I simply stopped mentioning my practices around these people.  To this day, their reaction has scarred me, so much that I haven't even mentioned this stuff to my own wife who I've been with for over 4 years!

I know this is a touchy subject, but again, you do what's right for YOU.  In my opinion, you are not using this gift for anything malicious.  You are not harming anybody.  And what people don't know won't hurt them, so just follow your heart and you will never go wrong.

I agree with Nagual.  Taking two steps backwards is not that big of a deal once you take three steps forwards.

Just make sure that you continue to work on things (mentally & spiritually speaking) so that you don't recreate past mistakes.  It's one thing to "accidentally" do something.  It's quite another to purposely harm someone and do it repeatedly.

So as long as you pick up the pieces and move forward in your development, you don't have anything to worry about.

quote:Additionally, I'm curious as to what it's suppossed to feel like? What kind of sensations occur once your out of body.

Believe it or not, it feels almost EXACTLY as you do right now, in your waking physical life.  The main difference, though, is that you're consciously aware that you're having an out of body experience, and it takes an incredible amount of focus and control to maintain the experience.

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I've often had situations where I felt like I was out of body but I was still very aware of my physical bodies surroundings. Even if I was some place else entirely (mentally), I would still hear if say, some walked into the room that I was in. Is that normal or what? Am I actually getting out of body or am I just floating around in la, la land?

Like Dragen said, you may have been having a little remote viewing thing going on.  Put it this way.  When you do have an OBE, there will be little doubt in your mind about what is happening.  It's THAT profound.

Some people may have vague memories of having one, but when you experience a full blown OBE, there is no question left in your mind that you have achieved your goal.

From the experience you described above, it doesn't sound like you "projected yourself" anywhere.  You simply felt sensations.  It's almost as if you were at a circus watching the tightrope act.  While watching the man suspended hundreds of feet in the air, you may feel some dizziness yourself, or a vertigo effect.  This doesn't mean you are actually walking the tightrope.

On the other hand, when you finally DO find yourself walking the tightrope on your own, you KNOW that you KNOW that you KNOW that you're doing it....and it takes a lot of focus and control to maintain the experience.  OBE's are kinda like that.  []

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

Jeff, maybe you could rent a video like "Vanilla Sky" or "Waking Life" and watch it together...  Then, you'd have to talk about it.  And, who knows, maybe she's been APing for years! []

Hehe, well, my wife watches movies like that and goes, "I don't get it!"  Then I try and explain and she says, "Too much information.  My head is going to explode!"

Although......she DID like "What Dreams May Come," and out of all the movies I have ever seen, that one comes the closest to explaining OBE's in my opinion.  Since this movie is on my Christmas list, I think I will watch it again with her, just so it can be fresh in her mind.

She also liked the movie "Ghost" and I think I can use that as a good example too.  Thanks for the idea of using movies to help break the ice.

James & Dragen,

Thank you both for your wonderful insight.  I almost mentioned something to my wife last night, but she started talking about trivial "work" crap and I couldn't see myself leading the topic into an OBE discussion.

I just need the right opening.  I thought to myself, "What should I say to get this out?  Do I say, 'Hey honey, I have something to tell you' and then just blurt it out?  Or do I do something more philosophical, like saying, 'Do you believe in the afterlife?'"

At this rate, I think I am just going to wait for a lull in a conversation, and just come out and say it.  I'll let you all know when I do and how it goes, although there are no guarantees that I won't chicken out and keep my mouth closed for another 5 years!

Dragen/James,

Thanks to both of your contributions to this thread.  I will further try and expound on some of my.....fears?  I guess that would be the right word.

While I know that it's not my place (nor in my power) to MAKE my wife believe in my OBE experiences, nonetheless they are extremely important to ME.  I will even go as far as to say they have forever changed (and continue to change) my life as I know it.

Now, with something THIS impactful, this important to my life, I'm afraid (?) that seeing my wife shrug her shoulders and not show interest in this sort of thing will only make me frustrated.  After all, if something this monumental to my own spiritual being is shrugged off, then what does that tell me about HER spiritual being?  Or her feelings for me?

Note: I don't doubt the love she has for me.  I doubt the interest she has for something so meaningful to me, and my reaction to that.

In both of your cases, James and Dragen, you mention that your wives don't express an interest in this type of thing...at least not in the context that you do.  I'm just unsure of how *I* would react if MY wife did the same thing, and this is my fear.

I wouldn't want to look at her and think, "Gosh, here is this girl who doesn't really give a second thought about experiencing the afterlife....something that could completely change her outlook on life....something which could brighten her outlook on things, etc."  

How do you overlook this thing?  Do you say within yourselves, "Well, that is HER decision, and she will come to know the truth in either this life or the next?"  Do you ever think, "How could a person NOT want to look into these things?"  Especially when that person is the one you are married to?

Man oh man, the issues I have in my head!  Thanks for the advice, guys.  This is a never ending, internal struggle in my head that I've been carrying with me for years.

Dragen,

I enjoyed your response to this thread.  I agree with the philosophy of not going around telling people that you practice OBE's unless they want to know about them.

This is kinda why I haven't told my wife about my adventures.  However, at least in my case, things are starting to come to a head where I have NO CHOICE but to tell her.

For one, I seem to "go to bed early" all the time.  I usually tell her I'm just tired, but in reality, I am practicing my projection techniques.

Secondly, I will wake up in the middle of the night, and she will be snoring.  However, since I haven't had any extra earplugs in a while, I just move into the guest room and spend the rest of the night there.  While I certainly don't have a problem with this, I feel somewhat guilty that I'm keeping my wife in the dark as to WHY I am moving into the other room.

So as I said, in cases like mine, while I choose to keep this to myself, I think it could prove more destructive to my relationship with my wife because it looks like I am distancing myself from her.

I envy the fact that you've told your wife about your experiences.  I've been struggling for five years regarding how to tell my wife these things, and up until now, I just have kept things quiet.  I enjoy having this as my "little secret."

But another part of me says, "Jeff, now you KNOW that OBE's are possible, and that they give hope for life after death...so how would you feel if you died suddenly without ever telling your wife about these things?  She would be left never knowing that you are OK and still alive!"  

It's things like that which really tempt me to tell her.  Grrrrrrr!

I speak in tongues.  Being from a Born Again Christian background, it was taught in my church that only those who were FILLED with the Holy Spirit could do it, but once it happened to you, it is something that will never go away.

Well, believe me, I tried to do this myself.  I tried to fake it.  I tried to learn it.  Nothing worked.  Then one day, during prayer, I was just in my own little world, talking to God, when the next thing I realized, I was talking in tongues!

Everything that came out of my mouth was gibberish (unintelligible to my ears), but it wasn't any kind of gibberish that I could make up....again, because I tried to do that before and it wasn't natural.  This, on the other hand, was very natural.

Since I have long stopped going to church (mainly due to dogmatic preachings and hypocrisies within the church body), I still am able to speak in tongues at will.  Although I usually never do though, simply because it brings back a guilt complex (since I was taught that speaking in tongues is the sign of the Holy Ghost being in you....and since I don't go to church or follow that line of teaching anymore, then I must be betraying something within me....things like that).

Hi Kylie,

quote:Q1 Was it an OBE

Sounds like one, but only you would know.  Just ask yourself, "When I was having this experience, did I KNOW at that moment that I was having an OBE?  Was I consciously aware that my body was 'elsewhere' and that I was projecting?"

Most people wonder if they had an OBE, because when you come back to the physical, all that remains is a memory.  This is why it's important to analyze the experience as it is happening, so you know when you come back that "YES, I had one because I even asked myself when I was projecting if this was real, and it was!"

quote:Q2 why was it on this plane

Why is the sky blue?  There are many "why's" in this area of study.  Most of my projections are in the RTZ too, or very close to it.

quote:Q3 will they recall

From my experience, probably not.  But it is possible.  They either won't remember anything, or they may have received your visit as a strong vivid memory of you at that time.  Almost like a daydream.

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After having my first two OBE's over 5 years ago, I was so excited that I told my Born Again Christian parents.  Bad idea.

They scolded me for dabbling in the works of the devil, and I soon learned to keep my mouth closed about my experiences with them.

I then mentioned it to my best friend, but for some reason, I found that he wasn't as excited about this revolutionary new discovery that I made.  He was content to dismiss it as a vivid dream.

So other than you fine people on the Internet, most who know me personally have NO IDEA that I have these on a regular basis, or even that I wrote a computer program to help track these.  Not even my wife knows about them!

However, the longer I continue down this road, the better I get at having them, and the less I care about what people think.  I already told my brother about these experiences, and he accepted it well.  After I tell my wife about them (which I still don't know WHEN that will happen), I think my conscious will be clear and I won't feel the need to tell anyone else unless they ask.

It's hard for me to comment on something that I have never used, nor something I would desire to use.  And with a $250.00 price tag, I think I could benefit more by spending that money on OBE books than some gadget.

Just my opinion though.

Glad to hear it, my friend.  Looks like you're making excellent progress.  []

While the sexual urge can be pretty overwhelming when in the astral, I'd like to give you a little word of warning.

Being an astral pimp, that is, having an OBE just to "have sex" isn't all it's cracked up to be.  You will still return to the physical afterwards, where your physical ego will kick in, and you'll realize that the enounter was relatively meaningless.  That is, nothing was really gained from the experience except for getting your jollies off.

Now, that isn't to say that I haven't...ahem...had my share of astral enjoyment.  However, I am making a clear distinction between an intimate astral encounter (merging of your energy with another intimately) and plain lustful actions (ripping the top off someone and feeling them up, taking advantage of entities, etc).

At first, when you experience a sensation of unadulterated LUST in the astral, it's very overwhelming, and gratifying.  But after the experience is over, you start to think, "Hmmmm, I probably should have been doing more important things with my time in the astral.  After all, I have plenty of time to have "sex" in the physical."

Granted, some of you who are not married (or without a passionate relationship) may not get to have sex in the physical whenever you want.  But having an OBE just to have a sexual encounter is like buying a plane ticket to fly halfway around the world just to go on a blind date with someone who could very well be an 80 year old grandmother.   Ya just don't know what'll happen, and it's not worth the risk of losing control of the OBE experience.

Just my two cents.