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T-Man,
I think that this is a very significant experience and a good indicator of your advancement to your present awareness. You recognized certain conditions on both conscious and subconscious levels. Well done!

You were presented with an underwater environment and you did not panic with the breathing issue. Breathing underwater is a huge first challenge and you passed it almost dismissively... Wow...nice... You dealt with the gun and white fish issue which may have been a subtle final challenge to your underwater challenge...and you handled that very well...adjusting the gun was also adjusting your awareness?...maybe an idea to consider...

Maybe "being bound by the rule-set" which I used to think of kind of sacrosanct...is actually where we move from the "Personal NP into the General or Community NP"...so we are still in the NP but there are certain, slightly tighter "reality" constraints...

Drab and mundane usually indicates that you should not pay attention here...this is an indication to move your attention elsewhere.

In your latest experience, you noticed many instances of this.

I will sit back and wait for your comment..

Welcome to Dreams- today

I always just generally translated as hypnogogia the sensation of a small animal walking up and down my mattress or a being pushing on the bed, or the feeling of the sheets being slowly pulled down to my feet. It mystified or terrorized me as a child, and like you I ran crying to my parents who had no conception of what I was experiencing. By age 12, I had bought Monroe's first book, applied his technique and brought on full body vibrations: earthquake, atom-smashing vibrations which scared the hell out of me. But they in no way explained the 'cats and sheets'...many years later I have experienced vibrations so subtle that they felt like a 'warmth'...

So I never understood the connection. If I understand your point, the 'cat-walk', the bed sheets pulling away, are manifestations of the vibrations that are so subtle that they actually feel manifest 'outside' of the body and move up and down the bed in waves, but we interpret them incorrectly.

Thank you Nameless, I think you may have given me the insight to a question I have been bothered with for over 40 years!

EV

An interesting experience LB! This closely aligns with the work at TMI with the Starlines program. My initial visualization of a starship was a futuristic ovular shape trimmed in silver and golden-yellow.

Also, similar colors with the submarine/starship that Nameless and I sort of co-dreamed last year although the shape I interpreted was long and narrow like a pencil box.

Very cool!

Interesting timing in relation to LightBeam's intergalactic meeting experience the same night apparently.

Nice experience!

Expecting some more responses here... what would be a reason for not sharing...?

Hello?

Agreed with all prior points; it is difficult to improve on what both Nameless and LightBeam have written. I will add my own personal perspective, hopefully without tripping too much over my own thoughts.

I am currently of the GOD Is All That Is perspective, always have been and I have been considering this question since about age four. Luckily, I avoided formalized religion and could consider the question fairly openly. Still, it is a daunting task and one I am still at an incomplete point on. If I had to choose a particular discipline, it would likely be Tibetan Buddhism, Taoism or some hybrid form, giving due credit to Hinduism for the Energy Bodies theory which I think shows itself in OBE and its expression.

With that said, regarding the question of GOD, I am kind of left at the point of the Tibetan Buddhists, who are working to clear their minds and experiences of all polluting ideas in order to reach a state of The Body of Clear Light, that affords them the opportunity to venture into the next after-death states as 'clear' as possible. And having a little alcohol issue, that is my personal battle and stoppage...nonetheless, my point is that I have no further reason at the moment, nor for the last fifty years, to 'understand GOD' at the immediate moment. Don't get me wrong, it is a reasonable idea to consider. But it also strikes me in the sense of many metaphors- How much energy should a 2nd grader expend wondering about his/her PHD Dissertation some 17 years in a possible future? A baseball team in the first inning, concerned about the ninth? I'm not talking about the exception, the genius 2nd grader or the triple grand slams in the first inning...I'm talking about the rest of us, the majority.

Accepting the idea that Enlightenment can happen for an individual in the next instant, the fact is that it probably doesn't and won't. So the rest of us are left to work at it, in very difficult circumstances and likely over many lifetimes, trying to carry the memories of our successes forward.

So personally, I see my advancement towards GOD or this GOD-State as a series of stages; like a 26 mile marathon, or better a triathalon with multiple conditions (swimming, biking, running)...and I have to run it in stages...I have to focus on completing stages. I might have the end result in mind- the finish line (GOD); but I have to break it down into stages to have any hope of achieving it.

Many of us on the Pulse have had a taste of the Formless States, or near to them, where we get an absolutely undeniable moment of that closer relation to what may be something of that GOD-State. It is Pure Love and a few moments of Bliss...we quickly realize that words and language cannot describe it properly. That also tells me that it is 'next level' and still far beyond our comprehension...and ability...but we are given the glimpse.

I still consider a kind of hierarchy to be involved, so years ago I actually quit thinking about GOD and started to pay more attention to the humans closer to me...Mother Theresa, MLK, Gandhi, Rumi, Jesus, Buddha...and many others... I may not be right about any or all of them, but they make me think...and maybe that is part of what I need to make progress.

And short of those great people, I guess my best personal efforts are just to slow down, observe and be a better, kinder person in my most immediate relationships. Sometimes I find little magical moments hidden within there.

EV

These sound like great experiences shineling! In your language maybe it was for you to "learn how to handle the Life Stream" which may more accurately characterize our language description of "learning to Go with The Flow"...interesting!

The last experience with the children may very well have been a Retrieval. It is your feeling/intuition within this experience that holds the key to understanding.

Nicely done!

Sometimes, when we are able to slow things down a bit, slow the events and energies...it's not always clear and it can be an imprecise thing...we can ask the right question, and we actually get a useful answer...what a precious gift! That was an unquestionable metaphor going forward. No question in this case.

Nicely done Nameless, and deservedly so. What a beautiful message from your higher, inner self...and just what I see, having known you some years now; there is more. Like LB said, there are many nuanced insights buried within this experience; some you could continue meditation upon.

I remain an amazed fan,😆
EV

An excellent idea for a thread T-Man!

I can remember a hundred barely that I'd wish I'd written down over the years now that you point it out.

Can you add any insights to the ones you have provided? They seem mostly personal, but maybe they also reflect larger truths...

EV

Shineling,
It's just my opinion, so take my comments that seem to fit with your experiences and maybe give a little consideration to the ones that are possibly close. Over most of the last year I can see what I think are significant insights and recognitions along your path and the good progress you are making; much of it is apparent and similar to my own. Your progress is also excellently described through the works of Kurt Leland.

Leland was the first author I read to describe how we each create our own unique and individual 'translation tables' or 'interpretation models' as we move our consciousness into these increasingly Non-Physical and energetic dimensions- Etheric, Astral, Mental, Causal...etc...if you choose to categorize them in this fashion. Regardless of how we name these dimensions or choose to subdivide them, they do exist and many of us notice distinct qualities that differentiate them. These dimensions are obviously not physical but rather energetic and containing energetic consciousness structures that can be 'interpreted' differently depending on the observer. A primary example is that around July of last year, you noticed that you were utilizing some type of mass transit rail system in your lucid dreams to navigate around the Astral. A significant insight. At various times Leland noticed he was using his local Boston bus transit system, at other times an underground rail or even a Venetian river system with gondolas and guides. Another experiencer once mentioned riding on the Harry Potter Hogwart's train and I immediately recognized the metaphor.  In my own experiences, I've been on buses and trains and in passenger cars. There are two key insights to be made here: 1 that we are utilizing some transport mechanism to navigate first our personal Dream zone, then the wider Astral zone; 2 that these are individual interpretations of a generalized transport system within these dimensions/planes.

A few months later, you mentioned noticing an increase in the vividness of certain colors such as blue and green, clear blue skies, also your cognitive awareness increases and you can think more clearly and without worrying as much about losing the experience. This is another sign that you're moving into a higher and more clear part of the present dimension or even into the next...Astral to lower Mental. Fear and sexual issues start to fade, but the complexity of your experience increases noticeably demanding increased cognition and awareness to new challenges. Entering the mind of another being is one of those new challenges. Experiencing their perspective is fascinating but also demands you maintain the integrity of your own identity. This will likely not be your first test in this area.
You may find more information comes through if you devote a 20 minute reflective meditation on each of these several last experiences. That proved surprisingly helpful for me.

I hope that I'm right and you have moved into a new realm of experience and challenge. Stay open and enjoy!
EV

Second-
This is an area and time during the progression of your experiences and your interpretation of them that you are basically on your own, finding your way through the darkness and mystery of your own consciousness, as it were. Your interpretation of your most recent attempts is very good and sounds accurate. Going forward, you will need to experiment with a few concepts in mind.

The 'mini-movies' are good and you should let the first several play out and just observe...this is what we mean by 'passively observing' or just 'noticing'...don't try to change them or direct them in any way...this teaches us to get our control-based ego out of the way. You can start the process with a pre-planned Rundown visualization but if that morphs into a different set of 'mini-movies', then let it go and just 'passively observe' whatever it changes into. At some point, the 'mini-movie' will get longer and stronger. Go with the flow and let it play out. It will either end and another will begin or it will get stronger to the point you feel 'pulled into it'...this by itself can take several tries and when it works, you actually step into the visual like entering a LD. This is very subtle stuff and takes more than a few attempts for most, so don't be frustrated if you fail initially.

Having a clear Intention can play a big part in how this all unfolds. You can start your session by mentally declaring a clear Intent to learn or experience a certain thing but that is almost always diverted through the 'mini-dreams' into something else...so that kind of leads to a generalized Intent of 'just teach me the next best thing I need to learn'...this teaches us that our Higher Self may have different plans for our unfolding NP experience and we have to recognize that fact and remain open to it. It's a bit frustrating...but it's also another great lesson in consciousness in learning how to 'pivot at a moment's notice'...

You are at a very good point here, realizing that your current active imagining was somehow destabilizing the process...that was a really good insight within the moment! You should have then went back to 'passively observing' and allowed the 'mini-dreams' to play out longer...stepping into one later may lead you to a different place then you originally desired, but you just have to trust and go with it.

Think about how subtle this all is...you are doing really well!
EV

Not sure but it seems like a fairly significant NP event. Nice, comfortable beginning, family, but events quickly advance...that often happens.

'Reporters' indicate certain energies noticing, watching...

Was the pronunciation "sunny" or "soo-nee"...? They said it twice, which is probably important...

EV

IIRC, the first two Rovers were expected to last no more than 90 days. For them both to operate roughly 15 years is beyond belief. The idea that Mars' red dust somehow magnified the solar panels charging efficiency is debatable...LB's point may be closer to the truth...that solar tech 'can be' hundreds of times more efficient, and NASA could utilize this but the common energy market was disallowed, thus common solar panels are relatively inefficient...just another scam to tax money from citizens while restricting available energy.

For those interested in possible Mars history, Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision may offer new and refreshed perspective.

Interesting! I see teal and grey...but with a really faint, underlying pink behind the grey. And I've always considered myself leaning creative but with a definite logical side...

I'm A Positive and with ET involvement since early days, so I don't quite fit the current narrative, if that can even be trusted, so I keep a degree of skepticism. Regarding OBE through certain pathways or major centers, I have observed this in some others but not in myself. I notice activation of Heart, Brow and Crown chakras at times but my OBEs/Phasings were early on float outs/roll outs then just automatic shifts of dimension.

Again, at Monroe they do Resonant Tuning the same way they've done it for some forty years- physically and vocally as a group every morning, and individually and vocally before each CHEC session. They no doubt find good reason to continue it.

But by all means, try both ways as you see fit...it never hurts to experiment.

Regarding the second part of your comment, I agree and think that Frank saw the F10 track as additionally conducive to the process he was pursuing.

What you may likely find is that nearly all these techniques work brilliantly at one point or another...but then they somehow lose a degree of effectiveness and you need to search for a new technique. And in fact...this may be part of the learning process...and Lumaza and I have had this ongoing discussion for about 4 years now, lol.

Plume,

Thank you for such a passionate statement of truth and perspective! The poorer we have been without the last year of your passion, perspective and vision...I am sincerely sorry for your loss of family during this devastating time. There is an incredible despondency surrounding nearly all of us and it demands our greatest efforts of love and sharing. I could not agree more with your sentiments and they are wonderfully expressed.

Thank you and Love to you and yours,
EV

Second-

Your questions are good ones, and they demand a deeper and finer, more subtle explanation of many points. Like Xanth pointed out, I also suffered from too much intellectual over-analysis...the answer to this is to just relax, accept where you are and 'Go With the Flow' of whatever presents itself. You may be working on a deeper F10 state and a visual of something shows up and you think it's a distraction...don't fight that...accept it and relax and just 'observe' where it takes you. That's an example.

The classic definition and indicator of achieving Focus 10 is the Mind Awake/ Body Asleep state...and it is literally that. To be honest, I've never been able to relax sufficiently, never given up enough conscious control to get there, from an awake state in the middle of the day. You mentioned WBTB and that is a great method that I have made work, the first time for me being quite by accident: I had a terrible night of gastro pains that wouldn't let me sleep so I finally propped myself upright with several pillows and gained a certain amount of relief and finally drifted off. Next thing I knew, I was awakened by someone snoring...and I realized it was me! From there I was able to make a few 'Etheric' exits, each time coming back into body and then exiting again. Then I did a couple 'Phasing' exits like Frank describes and directly entering a dream or Non-Physical Reality (NPR). And my physical body remained asleep the whole time while my mind adventured! it was quite a night for learning! So that was what I consider to be a deep/high F10.
At home or even at TMI, I can only get to a low or medium F10...but I learned to accept that and can still do my work. In later courses at TMI, I asked many advanced students about their F10 depth and realized that maybe only 40% could get to that depth. And yet, everyone could still Exit/Phase/Project. So again, understand that each of these Focus levels are continuums or ranges or degrees of scale and you don't have to hit any one of them perfectly. And sometimes, outside forces may actually restrict you so that you notice and learn something from exactly the point you are at. A big mistake I made for years was in 'not simply letting go'...and that is to just keep relaxing even to the point of dropping off to sleep. If you mentally state an Intent to learn, say from F15, and relax into it striving for F15, and fall asleep...often learning takes place at an unconscious level. And you may wake up realizing that something unusual happened. Sometimes you may notice a distinct "CLICK" sound as your awareness disengages. This is known as a 'Click Out' and is a definite sign that something significant took place. The WBTB method is an excellent timing device that works after a certain amount of sleep that refreshes your consciousness and allows it more opportunity to disconnect from the Physical as your body slides back into sleep.

The next discussion is one about the subtleties of the different types of OBE. Monroe started his books describing one type- the 'etheric' OBE, where you literally climb/float out of your Physical Reality body (PR) like a ghost and by his second book he noted the distinct transition to the 'Quick-Shift method' or what Frank Kepple and many of us refer to as direct Phasing. This means either stepping directly into a lucid dream or into a visualization or rundown of some sort and there really is no sense of separating from the PR body. There is still much discussion about the differences between the two experiences, and their implications, but in my mind the distinction is clearly evident and it is also clearly a progression from the first to the second and not the other way around. The key is to be ready, willing and able to go in whichever direction you start out...so again, just go with whatever unfolds. That's also part of the teaching and the fun!

Monroe modified his Focus tracks over 20 years as more knowledge was gained, so I think your F10 works fine either way...again just pull off the headphones and try whichever exit tech you have chosen. Lumaza has given you some of the best techs including his own; I would add Personal Reality's 'How I got out for the First Time'.

Resonant Tuning- TMI still recommends it highly. It works on both PR and NPR levels and helps move your frequency up. Do it verbally and play with the internal resonances it produces. I learned to even play with the vowels of it-A, E, I, O, U...and see if that changes things...again this is very subtle energy stuff...don't discount it; there's usually a good reason for something that has been around 40 years.

EV

Welcome to the Pulse!

I've been working with The Monroe Institute's Gateway Experience tapes and cd's for 25 years and also been to several courses at the campus itself, so I am very aware of how they work for me personally and others generally. Monroe engineered his Hemispheric Synchronization process long before binaural beats were introduced but I understand that may be included within some of the tracks now. Slightly differing methods at achieving the same result and they both can work. With that said, we are all different in how we respond to this form of subtle stimulation, so you have to work with it awhile. Some get nearly instant results and reach a full Focus 10, but most of us, including me, have to work at it a bit longer. Another idea to understand, and I did not learn this until attending my first course at TMI was that all these Focus levels- 10, 12, 15, 21 and on, are not specific targets per se that you have to hit perfectly...rather they describe a 'range' of awareness or consciousness. So you can be in a low/shallow F10 and still get your work done rather than a high/deep F10 and the same rule applies to the other Focus levels. So many students, including myself for many years, struggle with frustration at not achieving what they think must be the deepest level every time, when they should just relax and work from where they are at...and sometimes there is a lesson to be learned just where they are at.

So,

1- Yes, I would highly recommend it. If you find that you can readily achieve the state of MABA or even reasonably close, great!

2- Yes, the exercise is fairly short. If there is a Freeflow 10, then use that as it is longer or in the middle of track 2 just gently pull off the headphones/buds and stay with the F10 state you have achieved...given a few tries you will find this can easily be done without interrupting the state. Then work with an Exit technique or a Visualization or a Rundown that you have previously decided on.

3- It's likely a combination of all you have mentioned and yes, a standard hypnotic relaxation progression can get you to the same state.

4- If you have the time, do the exercise 4 or 5 times in a row with a five or ten minute break in between...this can really get you in the groove and you begin to notice more subtle aspects like differences in depth. If you have more tracks like F12 or F15 then great but don't rush to them right away. Do Focus 10 for a week or two, then each of the others for a week or two before moving on. At TMI, we do 6 to 8 sessions a day, each about 45 minutes and it can take most students two days before good things really start happening; it's like a 'ramping up' effect or getting yourself up to the right frequency. So lots of repetitions are needed for most of us.

Hope that helps!
EV

#@*$ spellcheck! Lol.

Personal versus Cosmic...it doesn't seem to matter how I ask the question, I am disappointed with the answer. That may be a simple fact for some of us. I've gotten the same lack of answers that you have and I'm not happy about it.

Okay GR, you've apparently traveled into some heavy weather here. Lumaza hit on the key, I was still struggling with various parts of your narrative, but I knew 'wiggly' was the key...still I couldn't bring it into focus...Lumaza did.

'Wiggly' is your interpretation and a personal term of their NP communication that you still need to recognize and understand a certain perspective of disconnection from the PR Human perspective in your reactions and responses on the NP level. This is an incredibly subtle and personal thing. It defies words and translation to a fair degree. Part of how incredibly subtle and personal our experiences can get, and how we become the only ones to figure them out. I'm repeating but that is my point to reinforce the idea. It's not exactly disconnection from the human condition or dehumanizing in the extreme sense...just a new orientation with regard to relation of these areas of understanding.

Level 1 or 2 or Levels 1 through 6...this is a subtle mention to your own internal reference system of where you feel you are. I would venture that you have had experiences from 1 to 6 but your subconscious is telling you where you are basically anchored...

Regarding Chakras, the area between the sternum and the belly button involves the third Chakra where I experienced a blockage which gave me very turbulent dreams/experiences...so that may be something to consider.

LB- I can't remember if we've discussed this before. I was visited when I was 5, but there was nothing after that until I was 34, then again when I was 55...that I remember. It was in the Dolores Cannon books that more than one person mentioned that if you are a 'contactee' at 5, then they likely visit you every 15 years or so...so that might be something to consider. I can't remember anything at 20, but that was an extremely turbulent time for me so I'm not surprised I don't remember, lol. At 34, I had my unquestionably significant ufo encounter. At 50, I had so much OBE activity, it's not surprising I might have missed something. 55 was odd timing but that was when I had an outpatient surgery that apparently my visitors needed to correct that night, as I reported at the time.
I asked the same questions as you did.

My computer hard drive sits up on my desk a foot away from me, when I'm working from my PC. One night while typing a response for the Pulse, a particularly significant response, the side panel to this hard drive POPPED so loudly it really shook me...and I knew I must be onto something. I see an event like that as an agreement from Spirit/Multiverse. When my post gets lost or the computer glitches, then it's an obvious disagreement and I have to reconsider what I'm saying in my post or abandon it altogether.
In Nature, it's like when a thought occurs or something is said...and then a crow caws or an owl hoots, or there is a thundercrack...Castaneda called these events 'agreements', and I concur...it may involve a bit of anthropomorphism but my experience tells otherwise, lol.

So, I guess my answer is- maybe they have been coming to you and just communicating in a different way.

A typically great question from LightBeam and one I have been wondering for decades now...

To confirm Nameless' recall of a possibly shared experience between us, I contacted her last September to relate a dream that involved the two of us. Like she said, it was semi-lucid for me and a degree of haze to it. I noticed the presence of several people but I wasn't aware of who they were. (Correction to previously saying it was Nameless- I mentioned the dream to her and she remarked on having a very similar dream either the same night or the night before) We were on what I initially believed to be a submarine, rather cramped quarters. The vehicle was being ratcheted onto a chain and sprocket system of a gantry and taken inside a larger structure. The larger structure I couldn't decide if it was a large spaceship or like the Avengers flying aircraft carrier or maybe a facility inside a mountain; images and a sense of all three. Then the submarine opened its entire length like a hotdog bun being opened and I could step out and get a complete view of the submarine. It was long, rectangular, about 50 feet, but only about 5 feet wide when closed up. It was metal, mostly silver aluminum but with yellow metal wrapping structures at several intervals along its length. We climbed back aboard and the chain gantry carried us forward to an opening where we plunged down a waterfall into an ocean, whereupon I also got the sense this was not just ocean but also outer space. Then I lost the focus...

Turns out she had her similar experience either the same night or a day or two before...very interesting.