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the TK ability is True.  But I would like to share my personal experience because I have questioned this for along time, therefore I've taken special notice to myself in this, just never asked a question like this to anyone.  

 Just like what 'Jeff-Mesh' said, I've had that alot also, and when this question of what AP/OBE have been doing to me arose, I started taking special special concentration on what effects its been doing it me.

 Kind of like when you take asprin, someone can make a long list of what it does to you lol.  I made a list of things that I noticed:

- Increased Intuition on things before, or during the event(Telepathy, Clairvoyance), Depending on what type of concentration you did.

- Increased natural training of energy development, Holding, Release of Energy (Natural increase when concentrated on for Psi Balls, Ki Development (without even having knowledge of Ki)

- Increased Questioning and  natural Self-Training Concentration period's on such subjects as seeing Auras, Seeing Emotions(colors),

- Meditation becomes more and more in-depth, being able to tell between 3rd, 4th, and (to me) seemingly higher dimentions.

- Various kinds of KINESIS, (TK being the least easier type in my oppinion)

- Loss of fear.

That is what I have developed, when I say I took notice, I really did, and then I took into action with what I noticed.  For example when I 'thought' i sense telepathy, I went and created games for myself to see how I progressed.  When I first started, it wasnt telepathy that I 'thought' I was training, it was litterally predicting the future, because more and more frequently I would  analyze something and figure out the solution or what 'could happen', and The situation possibilities were litterally infinet(infinite?), then I found I could play some card games instead of using dice, and someone else holding them, or just writing numbers on p[aper, after like a month or 2, I litterally started to distinguish emotions separate form myself and process them as thoughts (such as lies, happiness, eager to do something ect.) ok ok ok you get the point, maybe this will really get yea thinking on the endless possibilities you can do, and it LITTERALLY seems endless!

[QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS]

QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS

1) alien question, answer it heh

2) With no disspect because I believe your able to do whatever you wish, but off the record to God or lol MS, do you two dis-like people "channeling reptiles" "Aliens" "planet worlds"?

3) How come your not on Television like Larry King Live or something? instead of internet? lol you know larry king got james van praagh super famous, and you know noone believes in mediums

4) I dare not say this in a church, or i meen ask this, but is there some reletively truths and similarities between the muslim religion and the chriustian religion? i.e muslims talk about the spiritual development which is 90% similar with OBE' AP'ing and Ki and all that! and on the christian side, Jesus IS the Son of God, when the muslims believe EVERYTHING with jesus, and even to come back to fight the beast but for some reason 'do not' believe he was our savior, you understand? both are VERY similar but both sides have truths that are not in eachothers books

One more Question for God lol and do alot of concentrated channeling for this one(I'm not being sarcastic, think of it as a 'person' doing some kind of math question for yea, but I'm more open minded, and have a sense of humour also).

With the best description, answer, or comment you can with this question; How come when someone is suppose to follow and learn the 'faith' of God(concerning if there knowledge of religion at the time is low i.e Me), And even people at the church say it is good to ask questions, and God wishes for every people to be wise, blah blah, why, why is it that the church(the church i went to for my first time btw) which was over 45 minutes away from me wont let me back at there church? well off the record (lol but you knew already) they say(pasture), "Theres nothing here for you."  and I am not accepted. people at the church and even the cow speaching tongues  people hate me for me just trying to find something lol. answer that, if you cant answer, try to explain in a broad detail about it, lol or comment, ORRR if you a awesome God, answer, explain, and comment all at once .

[(Channeling God)there is another questionso I noticed....and?the Horizon is all around, every direction. In the Spiritual it is in even more directions than thatbut which way should he go?thats not up to me....thats up to HIMyes , but he is asking you for adviseand I am giving it to himbut you did not say where to go and he is lostI want him to use his own mind....thats why I gave it to him so you cant be more specificI can tell him what I would like him to do, but he does not have to do itthats finefollow after LOVE, pray to me and I will lead him....with a still small voice , if he really wants to find my will for his life,he must have no will of your own but have faith in methanks I will tell himthanks]

hahahaha! okay, before I start my questions for God.  I have to point out some particular things.  First: MustardSeed, thank you for curtiously helping me on my God/church/gift Thread.  And another thing which is strange lol, this time when you channeled 'God':
(Channeling God)

there is another question
so I noticed
....and?
the Horizon is all around, every direction. In the Spiritual it is in even more directions than that
but which way should he go?
thats not up to me....thats up to HIM
yes , but he is asking you for advise
and I am giving it to him
but you did not say where to go and he is lost
I want him to use his own mind....thats why I gave it to him
so you cant be more specific
I can tell him what I would like him to do, but he does not have to do it
thats fine
follow after LOVE, pray to me and I will lead him....with a still small voice , if he really wants to find my will for his life,he must have no will of your own but have faith in me
thanks I will tell him
thanks
haha, this bring me to to say that to my knowledge, noone asked a question like that, heh so my question was. . . Why did 'God' Answer this question?, and who was this question from? Do you, 'God' Believe in spiritual Gifts? lol I pray, mustardseed knows my problems, lol why aint you chanelling me? .  How come I lost all my friends and some family trying to prove you and spiritualit gifts, lifting souls ect. are right?    how come you(God) lol or any low realm angels werent lol 'helping' me? maybe to learn to maybe 'stop'? heh okay thats not one thats 7 questions, o well lol keep 'god' thinking heh

hehe my Second question is concerning something that struck me as hillarious: Do you believe in aliens, and anliens channeling with other people?  or is it 'devil' stuff perceiving themselves as aliens? lol  

3rd question:  How old are you?  

4th bonus question!!!
math test question:

okay you have to do this incredibally impossible math question answered!

Y=(AB)  ANSWER IT

[instead I just focus straight forward(as if you would tilt your head upward to see your feet over your chest)]

hah thanks, your technique on how you use the rope is like what I do.
You also stated some things I forgot to mention, like imagine the rope going down, as if your going up.  so, do you only focus on your hands and the rope in your hands?  Like when I mentioned
instead I just focus straight forward(as if you would tilt your head upward to see your feet over your chest)

Thats all I need to know, and you keep doing that?  When the vibrations and all this stuff starts happening, what do you do then?  keep doing the 'same' action you was doing form the start?

 my reason being is, my focus always seems to drift off as soon as these vibrations or something happens.  was that the same for you?

Thanks! But go into detail on why it is only private business's? and why do you say the government wont pay much either?

[I think that, more than visualizing it, it's the lifting sensation that is important... You should not try to visualize hands/ropes/body/... too much, but get a sensation; a bit like what you feel in an elevator.]

I think that, more than visualizing it, it's the lifting sensation that is important... You should not try to visualize hands/ropes/body/... too much, but get a sensation; a bit like what you feel in an elevator.

I dont understand what you mean why this, how is one to 'Feel' for this "Rope" when the person hasnt any previous encounters with it?  like is there a excersize or something to do  to help people who have no idea how to use the 'Rope' Technique, get the 'Feel' 'Sensation'?  How does one manipulate the feeling in a elevator?  how do you get lifting sensation? cause honestly, I'd had this problem for a long long time.  

 Sometimes I would do the rope technique(After practice I got the first person thing working) and something would work(I'm visualizing it liek Holys doing).  I'd feel some Vibrations or some shifting happening.  All sudden I loose concentration and focus, and theres the problem of me running out of room to climb up on heh.  heres where another question add's on to Holy's.  Which is better:(or neither) Climbing the rope up, I'm visualizing my hands one hand at a time reaching up, and in a sense I'm pulling down to lift myself up. then I take my left hand and do it again.  But once I get to the ceiling, I imagine I am instantly outside and climbing to the sky.

Okay the other thing I do so I do not worry about visualizing myself climbing to a end:  I visualize my hands on the rope and I do not focus myself on how high I am move, or how much closer I am to the ceiling, but instead I just focus straight forward(as if you would tilt your head upward to see your feet over your chest) and do the hand up, pulling down, body up, left hand reach up, pulling down, body up, whilst the same time my other hand is holding for control.

is this a bunch of ggibberish? or did I make sense?

okay Well lol haha I've seen alot of Negs in the RTZ, and all i see is people who look like miserable people but NEVER never never attack me, or 'attach' to me, i dont know if thats just certain people, but make sure you dont get that stupid creative imagine in your head when you try to project that, 'negs will attach to me'. seriously jesus, just think of these things as stupid people who sit in the streets and wait for you to say something to them , for they can yell at you.  ALWAYS ask if there with jesus christ, all that stuff, if they dont say anything or try saying things but NOT what you want, then there negs, if not they might be higher beings or other 'good' entities, my point is, if you dont think (HAHA) there going to attach to you and such your energy out of your body (ridiculous no matter how much info there is about it), then it is not going to happen, EVERY neg i see either talk to me, threaten me, or give threatening gesture towards me, i yell at it, and they mumble away.  Or I run, to come baCK later to beet it.

Hello,

    The only reason I made this post, is to place very intelligent people in the place of kinda speaking these words that spiritualality and christianity do co-exist together, and the people who do not believe in god(like myself at one point in time) I made that very long and complex essay about my idea of the proof that there really is a god, not just "there 'is' something up there higher than all of us, (DUH! thats god).

HaHaH!

    Okay details about the things my mind makes up.  Well when I;m in the RTZ(well im in there most of the time, only been to astral planes couple times), my mind tends to automatically think of fearful things, I DONT know why but random thoughts from like horror movies come up and stuff.  You know its the imagination game, the imagination is composed of both good and bad thoughts lol.  watching horror, sci-fi, cartoons, lol all effect that, well mine was the leprachan, I'm down in the basement in my chair, and I have only seen it once, but It all sudden popped in my head and I looked over to the other side of the room, and he was walking up, and, well when someone says they'll beet the crap outa them, well, ask yourself something lol, if this your conscience mind thinking or is it your unconscience mind thinking? lol I base this on science alittle but, My mind doesnt know what the hell to think and every single time I project somehting happens and I (consciencely) tell myself its not scarey but EVERY single time that plan goes straight down the drain hah, kinda like a roller coaster.  You like roller coasters, you like to get on them, but every time when your in line, you got that scarey fealing EVERY time! lol you dunno why, you like riding them but in the lines, your scared senseless. heh bad example rpolly but I made sense to me

Peace,

okay, i thought i told yea what it feels like but maybe i didnt,

in lucid dreams, well for me, i dont smell, its distant hears, like mono compared wioth stereo lol, litterally...

visual is distant, OBE is like real as if I am typing right now kinda real, and the added, smell, feel, touch, all that stuff! huuuuuuuuge differences for me

Aries, let me tell you what, you MAY be right, but thats exactly what I thought, but when you litterally see a man standing in your house that youve lived in all your life, your first reaction is, "O excrement, must run" or "can't move, too scared" OR "wheres my partner in PONG?"
just jokoing about the last one, but it is scarey seeing the house your familiar with and someone or "SOMETHING" like a lepreconn(SP?) like in the movie run across the house hallway lol (example being form my own experience) haha

HEY MERLIN SEEKERS -

Theres only one magic man out there today that can help you!

MUNDANE          THE WIZARD

from sosarea! travel to the town of minoc in your dreams and you will meet him! gather about 90 EXP points before you go though because he has MASSIVE MANA! he will cast a elemental on you, then freeze you, and teleport away with your gold and you will be lifeless in the astral plane!


lol I'm just pulling your chain I got that form Ultima Online lol.

Well if Merlins Real then I better believe in him since i believe in all this other hoop'la lol  if i can project and see someone in my room in the middle of the night (not yelling) but calmly telling me why projections bad and I could die out in the astral world, lol haha then merlins my father, brother, neighbor, HELL i think ill play cards with him tonight when i AP. Peace, see you guys at
API(astral Pulse Island) w/ merlin HeH []

[Candieapple]

Candieapple, Van-Stolin, kakkarot, you people are beautiful with words, and educateing me, you have no idea how much i have to thank you, keep this discussion going because I will be making a large essay and when i get more educated with the bible, I will preach on a wednesday(pastor(SP?) picks me to speak for 45 minutes)

ong question for Candieapple- Please show me as many examples and summaries as you can with OBE's and the bible! thats my main concern right now, you have utterly turned my eyes around sideways, I went and got the angel book you told me to get!!!! [] [] []

But I need something for OBE's and is there ANYTHING relateing to the silver cord, from the physical to the spiritual body? anything relating to that, think about this, a not-well educated boy on religion, in 6 months is going to "edify" the church with spiritual gifts, and the correction that needs to be made, you people are gonna help me, and i will before hand, receive the few at this church that 'do' believe in spiritual gifts, to have them answer when i ask a question instead of getting the common 'cricket' noise lol then tomatoes thrown at me HeH.     thanks!

Mustard Seed -

    Okay I have to claim that, you are the one and only person so far, as with cadieapple, to catch on to what I am trying to preach!!
Why is the churches SOOO spiritually dead? why are everyones eyes closed with arrogance?  thats my questions, and I have to answer them.  I wont give up

[8][}:)][:O][][][][?][^][B)][B)][B)]Oh man, that is the funniest thing I ever herd! oh man! OH MAN lol! I can not believe I have never herd that before! that makes me half tempted to get a buddy and go into the lower sub planes and play a little game called 'metroid' lol the nintendo game! or PONG, lol cage every single one in the area up, and hit the little beasts. HAH
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Now I have far greater respect for you now, I apologize.  But you showed good things to me, thank you.  I was just kinda upset how this discussion turned into something different.  I have a open mind, and I'm not well educated in the bible yet.  But did alot of what I'm doing now, asking questions, thats how I came up with a proof of gods existence, but theres something far greater that you, me, and many  others with the exception of a few that might understand, that there IS a connection between this stuff.

 Please believe that what you write back to me, when I trust you described it in full, is printed down in a document book I am keeping.  Trying to understand this stuff from all different angles.  took me a second to understand your angle but I got it now, and its good stuff.  one last question to you though,

Explain in full detail like you did the others, about the guides. . .
guides/angels/higher spirits, are they not the same?  at my church they call them angels, I call them guides, you know, but tell me why there from hell.

 I have 12 credit hours in Psychology, they all tell you the same thing, but does science prove all this ESP, TK, telepathy mumbo-jumbo? lol noooo

anyway, except my apologies, took me a minute to understand your view-point. . .

Thanks,

Hey

    Projecting from a Lucid dream, or I call it just plain Dream lol.
That is how I know how to project, I've only consciencely projected like once or twice, but I have projected from a dream a few times heh.  I just dream about drinking water and I project . .
In your dreams you cannot obviously drink water, so your subsonscience mind I think tries to manipulate  or or try to copy the feeling of drinking water, so its like a endless time of dirnking water lol I remember dirnking for a ridiculous amount of time then I realize it, and instantly I'm in the RTZ.

[WITH]

exothen,

    Okay, my turn to quote all your saying because I feal I need to state to you; why is it that you demolish everyones posts even when they say there beliefs WITH something to back them up on.  You on the other hand, quote other peoples things and just demolish them like your words are right, WITHOUT anything to back what you say?



All scripture is God-breathed, that is, God worked through man so that what was written down was what God wanted man to know. Propehts are not the same as mediums today. Mediums are condemned in the Bible since their source of knowledge does not come from God whereas prophets spoke as God commanded them. Huge difference.

Okay brother, your first sentance was exactly what she said but worded differently, so is your first sentance right? No. its the same.
Okay 2nd sentance: Why are prophets different from mediums today?  And tell me EXACTLY where it condemns mediums in the bible, thats right, isnt it in the old testament? I'm sure one of you will answe that one. 3rd sentance: Mediums dont get info from god but prophets do?  Then how are each and every one of us born with A optionable(or rarity being borin with it) training to have such powers? (question 2) then are guides a source from the devil? lol does 'GOD' send angels to watch our everyday life? Hmmm  Not much of a differance, ever read "Talking to Heaven" by James Van Praagh? I've personally met him 5 times. I believe him over you anyday(since he backs his words with knowledge)

This a very common misconception, we actually do use all of our brains.

HaHaH, okay 1st sentance, only sentance: this one, like all your domolishing comments had absolutely no backing once so ever.  You probably watched some MTV- True/False myth show for that fact you wrote.  Give me factual proof we do not use 10% of our brains, infact we use 90% or more? if that was the case, then wouldnt every single person be super-human and use telepathy instead of phones? or Telekinisis to grab the tooth-brush? HaH Nawww, you have to earn it.
But I might be wrong! [8D]



Well, there's your problem. You went to Baptist and Catholic churches. Charasmatic/Pentecostal churches do believe in these gifts, teach about them, and practice them. I have heard those passages being taught in other denominations as well.

1st bad grammered sentance: You didnt even read what she said.
2nd Sentance: She went to baptist Chatholic Churches? didn't she already say that?
3rd sentance: Aparently you did not read what she said, let me type it out: When I stated Cor Chapters 12-14 were "hidden", I merely meant that you NEVER hear of these verses in church or church teachings. At least I NEVER had in 8 years of Catholic school with religion as a graded subject, or any of the 20 years going to Catholic/Baptist services.  She said you merely , almost NEVER hear this stuff in her church(as in my christian church) and she goes on saying why if you read it.Therefore her church does not PREACH about it.  
4th Sentance: Okay, now, tell me what ALL passages have you heard and from what EACH denominations, back it up!!  stop demolishing everyones comments like what you say is the RIGHT thing. you quoted: "Sorry. I took my school stress out on you. It's just real easy for me to go off on people who claim that their path is the ONLY path."  you hipicrit. sorry. read my post before yours, I said, "Be open  minded" "Stop argueing", (or in your case demolishing).


Not what you called it, that's for sure. First, Paul was not a medium. Second, there is no "power of the soul, through the Spirit of God," that is a New Age interpretation of scripture. The gifts of the Spirit are exercised by the power of the Spirit. We have no power in and of ourselves and that is one of the main reasons why the New Age is completely incompatible with Christianity. Third, source of those gifts is God, the source of clairvoyance and clairaudience are not of God.

1st Sentance: If Paul was not a medium, what was he? back something up for once, so far, nothing....
2nd sentance:  No "power of the soul, through the spirit of god"?  okay can anyone else BESIDES exothen state that this is in the bible? because he cannot back his words up, only with arrogance and stupidity, predujice(SP?) remarks.  See I know not much about the bible, but I am definently not preaching what is "RIGHT".  You cant even describe what "New Age' is.  How is "Power of the soul"
New Age? what the F*$& is new age anyway?  apparently you know everything back something up for once, without putting everything in "your own" catagories.  WE have no power in and ourselfve blah blah blah, what exactly does that mean? can you also describe how 'clairvoyance and clairaudience ' are not of god? explain how they are not gifts then? explain what they are then? see you understand what your posting here Mr. lol  your posting a bunch of ignorant BS, and it stays BS, until you add some actual knowledge to it without predujice(SP?).  next paragraph... F*^$ this I'm done, I said in my last post, have a open mind, and dont argue, which means dont DEMOLISH what people say, I'm done with this post arrogant people reply on here because there stupid.  mustardseed and candieapple are prolly the only knowledgable(sorry If I missed anyone) people on here, one person ruins it.  Peace

Osman,

    I mean this in no disrespect or anything but just because you have had a bad experience in doing salvia, does that mean 'dont do salvia'?  Another thing to add on to this, when you projected, or ever have, did you get scared and hear almost trauma'tizing noises or see some pretty scarey things and post 'dont Astral Project!'? lol no, you kept on trying.

Think about it.  Read my post I wrote about Salvia Divinorum.  Always research what your going to do in excessive amounts for your prepared for whats going to happen.  Kinda like what you did/do with Astral Projection right? you read what happens what precautions right? i.e: scarey noises! spooky things in the corner []  Keeping trying Salvia with positive thoughts you were scared to do it form the get go, thats why you had a bad time [B)]

Hello,

    I'm sorry if I brought any judgemental issues to an area I thought would bring positive questioning and bringing good discussion.  Maybe I was only thinking of myself or I brought up too braud(AP?) of topic.  Anyway with you guys discussing this major topic, it is hopefully bringing answer to many others that I myself have.  [8D]

 For all the 'guests' who are reading this also, I was a guest for awhile and never really joined.  I realized in order to help others and myself, I joined and became a member of this forum, so I urge the obvious numbers of 'guests' reading this to join and lol [)] post as many questions and comments like I am doing lol.  

 I just want to bring a window of secrets and common 'science-fiction' conception areas, closer to a area of well practiced religion.  Try to stop all negitive or even non-believing emotions of spiritual gifts closer to christianity.

 Or on the other hand, maybe, with some luck change some peoples view's who believe in spiritual gifts but have negative or
non-believing emotions on what people call 'God.  

 So if I have a open-mind on what you call 'new age', try to not argue with what I'm trying to give to you(any one who argues, not discussing).

Thank You,

Candieapple -

    Hey there! HeH you just blew my mind up with thanks.  Again, your grateful replies in helping me understand my concern is well thought in my mind! we'll have to meet in the astral plane so I can give you a big hug! [] Heh! And thank you for well, basicaLLy defining the words described in: Corinthin 12:8-11

In Corinthin 12:8-11, Paul (a medium via Jesus) describes the many different abilities demonstrated by the power of the soul, through the Spirit of God: - "utterance of wisdom" and "utterance of knowledge" are today called clairvoyance, clairaudience, and prophecy, there is also healing, etc

 Great work! Great work indeed, I will definently try to goto a library or something to find these books, I have not any money to buy the books for myself, lol only 20, and going to school Heh []

 Man, okay nothing else to say but great appreciation for your reply! good bye! hope to talk to you again! [][8D][]

Mustardseed is a genious(SP?).  thank you.  I believe there is no such reason to even doubt him and/or try to explain how 'god' doesnt exist with my starting topic on this post.

 The whole reason for this post was to understand the connection between spiritual gifts and such with the bible and christianity.  his spelling ALSO has nothing to do with it, no offense but he who says he does with his apologies are arrogant and just talking out air.

 But at the same time, please, be open in what you believe about 'new age' and such cause I am learning a great deal here, I am to be making a big review about this when i goto church. thank you

Mustardseed,

    Hey, I understand the comments thats said, even though I do not know the words that were said about you, but hopefully you are understanding my concern right now with the connection between spiritual gifts(or in arrogant terms 'new age' ways).  Without waiting for his reply, maybe you can discuss with me right now like what 'Candieapple' was starting to discuss!  This is what I'm searching for and I'm one step closer! I am not very well educated in the bible, but like I said, I am trying my hardest to be a christian but at the same time figuring out the messages/visions/thoughs, whatever you want to call it I have had to find the connection between the two.  

    Thank You,

Ryan K