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Fear has  A LOT to do with reincarnation and karma.  We keep old fears from past lives until we clear the karma (through experience and lesson on earth). I'm sure you've heard of people saying they remember past lives as Atlanteans (i've ordered a book called A Dweller on Two Planets about that). Of course, hard proof of such is hard to come by, it takes a lot of what speaks to your heart and mind and soul. If you have a clear channel to your higher self you can always trust it.

There have been many times when i was extremely bored with life. And that SUCKS, because it is only mindset/interpretation, and the fact that there were alot of things about LIVING i didn't understand. I'm doing much better. The more i learn about our world and just how full of magic it is, the power of our thoughts and learning how to create our reality, hell, you can practice it every day, every moment. There is nothing boring about that, realizing that i have an inkling of an idea of what i really am, while the majority of the world rolls by in its illusion.

If you find yourself bored, and i use this advice myself, try to find your higher self through whatever metaphysical means necessary. Continue to teach and learn everyday, and realize that the more you know if this life the further you will be advanced in the next. Our time is precious here.

i saw PART of Donnie darko. Weird movie. I put it in my netflix queue, i heard it was worth watching to the end.

Supposedly if you OBE during the day it is much brighter, as opposed to night before you go to sleep. I guess the underground would be equally black until you reach the core, then heat-magma would shed intense light.

I agree kiauma. Tayesin, can you link us to other information about the Summerians? I've heard my own stories about how our DNA was coddled from extraterrestrial sources because it was deficient in some ways. I wonder how this might blend with what you mentioned of the Annuaki. Really, any more light you can shed on the subject would be of use.

How does one explain the dinosaurs of millions of years ago, and the rise and fall of Neanderthal men and earlier species? Were they experimental, OR (as i heard) degenerates from failed and dead societies (like Atlantis) on a decline to extinction after their destruction. Hmm. Hurts the ol noggin sometimes to think so much on what is hard to prove.

The syncs also remind me of A Beautiful Mind, where the mathmetician (forgot his name) saw alien codes in the newspapers. Not saying you guys are schitzo (which has arguable sources beyond simple brain disorder) but...well, nevermind, i don't have any basis to say anything because i don't see repeating patterns or would understand them if i did. But hey, i don't question your beliefs either, to each his own.

So what again do the numbers you think have to do with 2012?

That could be true too, ady. We don't really know what destroyed the Atlanteans, whether natural catastrophe or misplaced science and tech. I think what suprised them so much was that they KNEW they were advanced, and were shocked and terrified when they died so suddenly, as if it was punishment from a God they felt close to. Getting a little more metaphysical, we still carry those seed fears of enlightenment today, meaning that people have an inherent fear of learning too much for fear that God will punish them again. But he didn't so much punish them (which God doesn't do) rather than adjust an imbalance that had occured. We have FREE WILL, God doesn't push us to do anything, and we get ourselves in trouble sometimes. Cool huh? From what i understand the grid adjustments (there were 4) also incorporated our last ice age, and the New Age Energy, which is supposedly a new energy that makes us closer to the etheric.

Just what i heard guys, but it is logical. I don't think the majority of this country and their youth want to fight Bush's oil war and mid-east agenda. The Draft report i read would accrue from ages 18-26, and no college excuse. Current semesters would finish and then ship out of country, men and women with equal rights. Yay.
It's been such a long time since a draft happened that our country would really really fight against it. Hell, i would too and i'm 31 with no kids. It's bulls**t, just violence propogating violence. IF i can find the weblink i'll post it, it described the draft process in detail (not that it was set in stone, but HOW it would play out)

Tayesin, that was awesome! Thanks. I suppose i understood inherently what you said about Spirit choosing a sexual existense, and all things in moderation, but it helps to have someone with wise words put it into context again. I myself really really feel that my higher self choose to delay my experiences to concentrate my spiritual growth in other directions. But you're right, we are extremely sexual beings, and it is beautful and wonderful and exciting. And having TOO much sex is probably just as bad a celibacy. Moderation of the mind/body/spirit is a goal on earth, and lesson to learn to harmonzie with our higher selves.

I honestly don't remember a whole about the movie, just that it didn't make a huge impression on me. But the central idea that we are so easily manipulated is what stuck with me.

Deep topic. I'm sorta confused on the mathematics/repitition numbers, but i haven't read all the links yet either. Now, i do have a basic understanding of linear time vs. non-linear. The way we understand time is a direct influence of our higher selves in Lesson. The 4th dimension of time is really much more flexible and alien to our way of thought (while human).

Is the 2012 date supposed to be Rapture? Enlightenment? End of the World? A Better World? I probably shouldn't ask, i'll get buried under theories and conjecture. Then again, i'm thinking the world might need a good kick in the butt.

Good Lord, the lies never seem to end do they? Well, i don't know jack about this topic, but i'm glad someone brought it up. Conspiracy theories abound nowadays. The evidence i've read through above sounds very suspicious, and reminds me of this old (bad) movie called Wag the Dog with Dustin Hoffman and Robert DeNiro. In summary, the US fakes a telecast to promote national empathy for foreign relations/war, whatever. I don't really remember, the movie sucked, but hey, reality is stranger than fiction...

oh yeah, greed is a big fear, related to fear of loss. Collect and accumulate as much as you can because someone else might take it away. One of the 7 Deadlies...

Irradiated semen? Whoa! Well, that's cool ady. I know for a fact there forms of energy and wavelengths that science doesn't know jack about (the astral) so anything is possible. Weird though, getting his family sick via astral DNA manipulation. I was reading recently (and this is conjecture, take it or leave it) that the Atlanteans ALSO had amazing healing that was based on electromagnetism. Their technology was quite advanced because the magnetic grid of the planet at the time was weak. They could see past their duality much too easily, and didn't know why. Part of the reason God axed them, to realign how much and how hard we have to look to understand spirituality.

yes, nice topic guys. We all believe pretty much the same thing spiritually, with some deviations. As for 2012, i only heard about that a few weeks ago, but it seems...well, very possible. I also heard about an american civil revolution next year from somewhere, and all i can think of is: BUSH/DRAFT/BUSH/DRAFT.

Man oh man, talk about rats fleeing a sinking ship. One of my doctors already said she was going to send her kid to another country if that happened.

heh, that's pretty funny about your birthdays though...[:O]

Nagual, myself, like you, neither want children or to be married. Maybe married one day, but for now i see no point, and in my personal belief system the only reason i see to get married is to have a core family unit to raise children...whom i don't want. It is partly that i would feel chained, but more so i feel that my life has been chosen and directed to help and serve in other ways, even if i don't remember that decision. Plus, the state of the world is rather chaotic and having the responsibility of raising a child is one i don't want. Uh...i guess that deviated from the topic some. sorry!

yes, Lighthouse, i would like to try tantra too. My current partner is not...ambitious in any way and our sex life falters. My own fault though, i've often let fear control my actions and decisions. At least i can recognize and work toward removing the blocks. I've heard of people having sex for 8 hours or more, and multiple male orgasms. Like anything i imagine it takes practice (and a free weekend with a healthy mate!)

Hallelujia!!

Talk about an angel on your shoulder...

I agree, knowing yourself fully is of optimal importance. Going in expecting boogeymen will get you boogeymen, dwellers on the threshold, and other phantoms of the mind. Your higher self indeed is always in control, and yes, it is of phenomenal cosmic power. We're so large and we don't even know it.

I think Blackboxes references to smoke and illusion are very Toltec-ish, which is a way of thinking that i am rather fond of, not that i agree with everything he says. i find this discussion interesting because i THINK we agree on the basis of Duality, a concept that most people fight at first because it is so foreign (and ultimately so appealing to me because i don't think a human could have thought of it). As for DNA changes, well, i've read so many theories about that, i really have no idea. What i DO believe is that our species didn't evolve naturally without help. We're too streamlined and self conscious.

Good Lord! In my early youth i had so many bad emotions i could never find the true source of. Now i realize how my thoughts propogated worse thoughts, and i was probably a friggin buffet for negs. Like attracts like, that is one of the most useful blurbs in the world. If negs are thoughtforms created by us, they are essentially illusions created by the illusion (the duality of us being Spirit experiencing "reality")

The best defense against negs for anyone is to know they exist. Know that your thoughts are powerful tools. Know that your words are vibrations and vibrations are like spells and thought is energy and energy never dies. I think the author of Embraced By the Light, (Beatty?) said it best: "If we knew the power of our thoughts we would guard them more closely. If we knew but the power of a harsh word, we would prefer silence over anything else."

Our very thoughts and emotions can create certain types of negs, and whatever we radiate out is drawn to us. It's hard to control ones thoughts, but not impossible. It takes practice.

ok, how about this: Utopia. World government with the same spiritual path, NOT religion. Everyone is on the same road to self enlightenment. Sure, it sounds crazy because with our current mindset and political structure (all countries included) we aren't even close to reaching a utopian society. But it has happened in other parts of God's big ol' universe, and it can happen again. Everthing that all of you are talking about boils down to one of two things: Fear and Love. We fear our neighbors, we fear change, we fear loss, we fear control, we fear the unknown. We love friends, we love freedom of choice, we love comfort, and we love loving.

How does this relate to "Is America an Empire?" Well, our leaders (and other leaders) are making many of their decisions based on fear. It is a natural human condition that takes concentrated effort to overcome. I myself have never been interested in politics. The issues, complexity and overabundance of laws seemed so unecessary to me, almost a way to confuse the layman and let the few elite control the masses. Yeah, so i'm a layman. But i do my part for humanity in my own way, and i try my best to do it with love, not fear.

well, there are dangers i think, not that one shouldn't try to learn a little about their universe. All of you were right by saying that your fear propogates fear, so one aspect of astral travel i think is conquering those fears. Still, and although i know it happens rarely, everyones experiences are different and some are scary. Someone of exceptionally brave values and spirit might never have a problem; someone with pre-existing psychological problems looking for God might mess himself up even more. To the best of my knowledge the fears are thoughtforms generated by you and humanity in general. They are phantom dreams (it's the plane of Thought after all).

yes, i saw the movie, it has always terrified me. i won't watch it alone.

I've been reading a book called "Don't Think Like a Human," channeleld answers from a being called The Kryon, the Earth's Magnetic Technician (that's what he says!) Anyway, one chapter addresses Atlantis and Lemuria and explains who and what and why they were destroyed.

To make a long story short, it is Kryon's job to oversee Earth's magnetism and poles and polarity. It has been adjusted 4 times so far, the fourth is the last time in the new millenium. The ancient Atlanteans, because of a weak SECOND field, had a very very thin boundary between earthly life and the veil of Spirit. This meant that were able to develop very powerful abilities of spiritual technology and intelligence, but they didnt' know WHY. It created a society of slavery and superscience, with only the elite in the know. So, Kryon and the others adjusted the grid, destroyed Atlantis, let the crust cover it, and then reseeded. The new grid was stronger, harder to see through, and mankind had to work much much harder to understand God and their higher selves. This last grid change, the last one Earth will know, has made it easier for the exchange of energy. This is the New Age, and the coming of a spiritual revolution for Mankind.

Personally, it is one of the most fascinating books i've ever read. The answers are warm, detailed, simple (mostly) and relate to questions that haunt everyone.