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Albeit our experiences could be simultaneous, memories of those events have to be linear. BTW, what do you mean by a somatic experience?

There is a modified version of the original Monroe method, I think, made by Bob Peterson. I could not find it again, so may I'm wrong in details. The main difference compared with the original method is that the lines of concentration are extended from the temples and not from the eyes. It's very similar to the Triangle method. It seems to me, that these methods form a family with further members like for instance RB's Rope. It could be highly beneficial to find the exact mechanisms lies beneath.

Perhaps you have a regular AP, but your interpretatory system has been knocked out for some reason. If I'm right, you have experienced your energy body as it is, a diffuse energy field in the earth's magnetosphere.

Thanks, Manuel!

This information is very gainful to me.

please, don't do it until you check my calcualtions.
perhaps I put the decimal point in wrong place, and you have to produce only 12011 liter

I'm a stakeholder somewhat in that brain business, and have to say that this research has little, if any significance.

You have to read Mr. Bruce comment about it, which seems to hit the heart of the matter.

http://www.soultravel.nu/2003/030112-bruce_vs_persinger/index.asp.

Dear Sir,

Your offer seems fair, but we consider it to our duty to notify you that you're company have to work hard for our money. The gold cost app. $13.87/g, so for every $5 you offered, we have to get 0.5768 gram of gold from your swipe. Let's it 0.5 gram because our growing friendship has a great value for me as a person.

I'm afraid, that our little business will suffer from the fact alone that a person weighing about 70 kilograms contain only 0.2 mg of gold. The good news is, that according to Skandhan and Abraham (1984), the semen is "the richest source of gold reported in biological materials."

Your brave offer is enough prove to me that you have a gold mine between your legs, so I don't let my investors to humiliate you by checking your spermatogramms. I think, your swipe can produce at least 5g semen (= 4.76 ml thick substance) with every 'aaah' of you. By every time when the dry noise of your hands turn to sloppy our business would yield 1.4285714286e-8 gram gold, which is 0.000019814285714 cents. That takes 25234318,6733958 ejaculation which produce 120 115 litre semen (in app. 80 000 jars).

Sir, my gold reductors are waiting for your camions.

Hello Cezyl,

The spora is a state when you get your attention trapped by focusing on the details of your palm, and, at the same time you let yourself drift to a destination you wish to be (hovewer, with persons it work much better).

The palm will begint to distort, but that doesn't matter. (Sometimes I see extra fingers on it, or texts when have a weird companion.) The main thing is that you don't look up to your environment in order to prevent your energy field to anchor any energy field of object which may exist beneath the dream picture you look at, and (2) to keep intact your perception as you fly through surreal spaces, because if your perception is messed up totally, the dream will collapse within seconds.

Flying in an decondensed, muli-seeded energy body is a very instable state to practice. You will recognize this state by signs as duplicated picture of buildings, multiple moon on the sky (rare) and the encounter with power-lines (very common). While flying in LDs are simple, in this intermediate state you can't move by simple intend. What you look at is what you attract you, and flying is replaced by zooming.

I don't know who moves the spora, perhaps the subconscious. But is fact that your thinking will affect it greatly, so your mind must be silent. First float up, define your destination in terms as simple and squarely as you can (for example: "I want to move back into my dreamer body without awakening the physical."), then form the spora by isolating your attention from your environment and let yourself to drift.

Hello to all.

My english is pretty week (make me laugh all the times), but here it is, an another stream of excrement from the little workshop of mine.

I have 4 method to convert dreams into OBEs or liked states. Three of them are used regularly for years. These are:

1. match the position of your physical (dreamer) body with your dreaming body
2. centripetal flying in sporas or spinning back into your energy body
3. fluctocondensation (I will not write about it at these times, because it's very complex...for a lame introduction see the topic 'what are astral senses')

(Flying upward within the dream or moving a point upward from the head of the dream body is an another method. However, I will not write about it at all, because had only couple of experiences with it.)

First and foremost, I have to introduce you to the concept of projection/dreamer body. I have not read the books of RB yet (only the treatises), so I hope you know exactly what I mean. When you're asleep, the ionic body come to loose from the relaxing muscles and nerves and begin to expand. Before dreaming or separation take place, your consciousness is transferred and reflected into it. When you do etheric OBEing, portion of this body is able to separate (albeit saved back by cable-like structures). When you begin to dream, part of your consciousness is reside in this body, and start to "hallucinate" the content of the dream you have, but hold the consciousness of your exact position. In the former case, this body serve as 'projector body', and the latter as 'dreamer body' by default.

As I mentioned before, the projector/dreamer body hold a consciousness of the place you left your body in at the time of falling asleep (one waking and maybe several position of dreaming-asleep are recorded). Most of the times, these positions can be false (to make it more specific: they are dreamed), so when you find youself back in this body from a collapsed dream state, you can be bewildered by pseudo-memories. You think you're awake, turn and toss in a place different from your bedroom. With practice, you're able to get consciousness of these episodes, open your eyes, regain consciousness of your real position, then go back into your projector body to separate from it.

Beyond the consciousness of your place, the exact position we left your biological body has a great impact on any dreaming and projecting practice. When you realign yourself into this position, you make a feedback to the physical and reinforce the dreaming process. It works because this method mimic the exact process your body used to inicialize any dreaming: first you lie down, your ionic body expand, your consciousness transfer into it, and you find yourself watching predream-hipnagogic pictures projected on your visual field, eventually loosing your consciousness by sheer habit.

Now, I will descibe the conversion methods in a nutshell (if you're further interested I'll give you a detailed descriptions about any of them):

1. Match your position of your dream body with your dreamer body.

This method comes from the 'Art of Dreaming' by Carlos Castaneda. It works exactly as he explained, and I'm very lucky to have this practice from 2000. Well, after you stabilize the dream, lay down exactly into the position of your sleeping body, and fall asleep again. You may do what you used to do when you try to project from awake, but these time you should do it briefly and from the dream. What seems is your intent to get back into your dreamer body. Within seconds, you feel yourself as forced to one direction or slipping little. Now, your consciousness is back in your projector body and you're able to separate. You may experience sensation resemble to those you feel right before any regular OBE attempt. This method can be used as a shortcut to accumulate these feelings for further practice.


2a. centipetal flying in spora.

When your attention wander on the surface of your palm, you provide a "sensory surface" to sustain your dreaming even in midst of great disturbances, absence of visuals or drifting in an abstract environment. You're able to survive for minutes, if you're breath steady and deep, moving your attention and observing the details on your palm. By forming a spora of this and obeying yourself to move to a specific place or person, your chance to reach your destination will increase greatly. This is my favorite method to travel to and enter into dreams of my friends.

Sporas can move "horizontal" or "vertical" in dreaming. (I mean horizontal/vertical movement as moving in 3D or dimensional respectively, however, in fact, flying upward (3D vertical) may cause dimansional shift in RTZ, because the ionic components of the energy body build from the atmosphere and forced to change with height, making it decondensate into a shape like a fountain.) If you move vertical, the dimension you are reside in will change accordingly. Pure movements of vertical can be centripetal and centrifugal. With centripetal moving your come to close the state of your projector/dreamer body.

When I'm about to reach my dreaming body from an ordinary LDs by centripetally accelerated sporas, first I find yourself move erratic like a falling leaf of a tree. Eventually my dream body forced to push down against the ground whil at the same time matching into the exact position of my sleeping body. At this point I can loose my sight or it will be frozen into a starter image, similar to ones I've see in hipnagogia right before a dream come into full view.

However, If I'm about to launch my spora from an AP, I have to fly a lot but not loose sight at reintegration. I found, that it depend on the activity of the heart chakra, because when I try this method right after activate it in the dream, my flying tend to be continous.

So I concluded that the origin of the starter pictures have to be same with the ending ones and both of them are connected to my throat region, while the projector/dreamer body is correspond to the solar plexus regio, as the heart inbeetwen with OBE states. If the heart are not active, the process of your descent will be broken.


2b. centripetal flying by spinning into the projector body

First you stabilize the dream, then anchor yourself into it by grabbing objects around you. Then you have to recall the feeling of your room where your body lying in. First try to feel the volume of your entire room, then gradually move your attention from the outside through the various grads of your energy body and at the same time try to spin it like a top, first slowly then with more end more speed. At this point your astral body forced to suck back with the movement resemble me to djinns as they move back to their bottles. You literally feel yourself shirinking, but first as being enormous, and at three places at the same time: dream, condensating energy body, bioplasm body in your bed. The feeling of the energy body can be censured, because first you have not accustumed to it. If you succeded, you find yourself howering above the city you live or bettween the land correspond your astral destination in physical and your home, unable to see your environment but feel it like a radar. Your energy body begin to take shape and get spin, eventually merge into your projecting body within seconds. This process is very fast, takes my couple of seconds. However, it can't be accomplished from a regular LD (I mean regular that there are no condensed seeds of your energy body outside of your projector double).

An introduction to the mechanism of this process (called 'fluctocondensation') can be read in the topic "what are astral senses."

If you increase the speed of the spinning the reintegration can't be possible. If you fail, and lost the spinning body, first try to feel as you are in the midst of a tornado, moving the etheric matter continously around you. This force will further exteriorize the etheric substance from your muscles to a point you feel two body at the same time: your physical one and your spinning one superimposed to each other. Now you can separate by spin yourself out.

Yes it's very important. And wash your hands too, especially before cooking.

We don't like your attitude, Beavis.
More than half of the human population eat it regularly. Don't be oddball.

Now, I will hipnotize you....I begin to count from 3 to 1, and when I reach the 1, you will be in deep trance, hungry for your own sperm.
Now I begin to count. 3.......................2...............................1.................................
You're in deep trance now.
Now, I order you to eat it. I O-R-D-E-R YOU TO EAT IT......DO IT NOW!
(1 min silence, or perhaps less)
Good. Now, you're see taste like sweetish, if you don't slaps it far and wide. Even had gold in it.
(at least more than other body fluid)

quote:...if you look at your feet and feel them on the ground your astral experience will last longer. I think it's because when looking at your feet and feeling your feet you are allowing yourself to be "GROUNDED".

Yes, it works great. I'm curious whether it has any effects beside from psychologic? Grabbing as many object as you can while you walk, or flying beside walls work as well.

However, it's only necessary in LDs. In astral the feedback beetween your lying body and your astral vehicle is low because of the relativistic time distortion. All instability is gone.

In OBEs it's not work, because I have no legs to look at.

Perhaps, in your case, fear has the first priority in the midst of hindrances. It seems resonable that, when you feel terrified, the most difficult part you're able to get separated where your consciousness is reside in, your head.

I don't hesitate to eat it but when the great moment seems to come, I put a pressure on my perineum to prevent the leakage. (I'm a horny person and my spiritual rocket always ready to launch.)

There are not sure ways to do it. I'm not so ambitious at these times either. Now, I'm glad to able to separate by some kind of astral twitting. I even be grateful for lucid dreams. But when I'm out I can go back to the physical.

Regarding the separation process, all my science has to run down by have some observation about it. And I've had enough OBE to observe what comes after each of thes types of separation.

However, when I choose the solar plexus and the breathing process to concentrate on, while remain aware the entire volume of my body at the same time, chance for an etheric projection will emerge. But it will not result in a stable RTZ-OBE by default. There are no sure ways - at least not for me.

quote:Originally posted by Cezyl

I've read of people looking at their hands intermittently throughout the projection to prolong it indefinitely. []

I'm one of them. It's very effective but no miraculous. It's keep your perception intact when you are thrown into darkness or abstract evironments. Focusing the very details of your hand help you to download your memory and instantly solidify the dreamscape.

Young mosquitos don't know the rules, and autumn flies try to ride out the winter in your ears.

I know the situation you are in. The separation you describe is very accurate. You may experience strong pull at low distances if you even succeded in separation. Be ready to distorted sight, cables attached to the regio of solar plexus, and pain in your guts.

The flavor of this type of OBEs lies in the doubles that came to loose from below, distincriminated from those types in which the doubles come to loose at the middle of the body, or those in wich the two body begin to separate first at the upper regios. These two types are turn to F22-LD and etheric OBE respectively, while your method leads into heavy and instable etheric projections.

What makes your separation difficult is your under-active upper chakras. The good news is that your centers projected upon the regio of genitals and solar plexus are well developed. You choose to build your energy body from below as required for any stable buildings.

Of course, RB's NEW is the method that supposed to help you. But if you don't have the patience, I advise you a funny somer-sault movement which worked well in my case. Or try to separate with your whole double by lifting it upward as your centre of gravity be reside in your chest. When your upper body lag behind, or you feel stuck, concentrate all your awareness to a point above your head.

If you fail, a pseudo-separation will occur because your personality forced to whitraw from the organism bounded, heavy etheric body. Eventually you may loose consciousness or find yourself in a lucid dream, exactly as you described.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Try to remember as many consecutive numbers as you can and type them here. Also, the speed of increase or decrease (derivative) while at each number would be useful.

Beavis, would you like to win the lottery?

Sorry, I just can't miss it out (again). []

I know what you mean, my friend. I used to saw books and other hipnopompic stuffs right after awakening from stable experiences.

Three times I saw very detailed logos in 3D spinning before my eyes as flying away one after the other. Perhaps they come from the sponsors of my projections.

In my case, hipnagogic/hipnopompic pictures often make comments on the exit/reintegration process by Windows(r) style bars. Perhaps your numbers represent the way of your subconsciousness to do teh same.

Time to rake up your old star maps. You're not a singer anymore.

I've spend years to figure out how the "astral senses" work. I've found that in a standard projection of mine (beetween somewhere LD and OBE by default) the energy body has a structure similar to a mist hover above the land. I call it sensory energy field. It has condensed seeds at the places of localised perceptions and stream like structures interconnect it.

The seeds of the sensory energy field can be utilized by special attention driving to turn the experience into RTZ-OBEs. (Actually, this is the hardest method to do this, but most useful in long term). When you travel to "astral" (cca. F24-27 in the terms of TMI) the energy body decondensate into a domain of the earth's magnetosphere.

To make it short, perceptions occur when the decondensed field of the energy body and the energy field of the object are overlap each other. The accuracy of the perceptions depend mostly on the condensation degree of the energy body. With lesser degrees of condensation perception become more and more over-interpreted, eventually turn to hallucinations in order to fill the perceptual gaps of the dream forming a coherent dreamscape of the everydays.

Light perception don't possible until the condensatum reach the spheroid phase. At his point the dream body disappear (albeit hands can be remain), the sight turn to grey and real light perception occur indicated by a rapidly expanding horizon.

This theory is well established, can be applied on the entire process of projection, so I'm sure, you will hear about it in my further posts.

The "walk method" does work very well - at least in the mornings. Actually, it is one of my favorite technique to re-enter into regular dreams by years.

I call it the "groping method to reenter dreams", because of the special emphasis I've used it with. First I recap the last dream (if any) then refocus it by choosing a wall from it. In the absence of strong dream memories I remember the general feeling of the dream or simply choose a wall in my bedroom. Then I begin to walk beside it, first slowly then more and more prolific. I've found that the ever changing postion of you and the continous surface contact you keep can substitue the visuals until you find yourself hazy whetever is it an imagination or already a dream. By the relevation that the answer depend on you, a nasty feeling emerge which must be overcome in order to succesfully complet the transfer.

Omega, can you elaborate how come into view that stick man thing? Perhaps we can enhance your method by sharing experiences about it.