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#51
I do believe in the alternate timeline idea but I really don't even begin to entertain anything regarding the credibility of the John Titor story. It was obviously a hoax as none of his predictions came true.
#52
Has this ever happened to anyone? you have maybe passed out through some reason maybe even intentionally and had an OBE/AP?
what was it like? are they generally a lot shorter too? I ask this as people who pass out are only out for less than a minute or 2 on average but so many here say that even 30 seconds unconscious can be something like an hour or hours in the astral realm. Is this true? 
#53
Can you get any types of 'empowerment' from OBE's? I have read in another forum and other sites of people getting senses of better clarity after OBE's, in this world after seeing the hyper realism of the astral world and a better sense of enlightenment. Another guy was able to shoot lightning bolts from his fingers too apparently (jk sorry lol).

Has anyone else here been able to bring back any types of special things from OBE's/AP's? maybe even things you wanted. (realistic things of course)
#54
Whats your best ever RTZ validation? perhaps through cards or something like that. (for experienced projectors)
#55
Quote from: Kzaal on November 03, 2014, 18:14:06
Breathing techniques are really important for meditation and AP'ing.
You can try to mimic your breathing from past nights but I think the most important think is to learn the techniques first.
It's important to know how to control your breath.
Learn how to take big slow breathes that takes a long time to feel your lungs. Learning how to exhale properly also.
When you got those techniques down it will be really easy for you to AP.
Theses techniques not only teach you how to breath properly, when practiced you will feel as if you're not breathing at all.
It puts you into deep trance and help phasing much more easily.
I can take a long breath and when I exhale I feel energized yet very calm.
It's harder to try to imitate your sleep breathing than learning how to breath for meditation purpose.
It's also important to have a flow in your breath, by that I mean that your inhale and your exhale feels the same(there's no breaks between both).
Hope that helps you.

Thanks for the info but I think you may have misunderstood what I mean. I am not really talking about deep breathing to send you into deep relaxation to breathe from I am referring to a technique where you mimic your breath EXACTLY as you breathe when your asleep. This tricks your body into thinking its asleep and you go into sleep paralysis which you can project from.
#56
so I stumbled across a video about techniques on how to get into sleep paralysis while conscious from which to project from. The idea is to lay down awake and mimic how you breathe when you are asleep. If you get it exactly right you will trick the body into thinking you are actually asleep when you are not and your body will go into sleep paralysis while you are still awake. You would have to record the sounds of yourself breathing while asleep a previous night to study the exact pattern and depth so you can get mimic it right when trying it awake.

It all sounds interesting but is it all just hocus pocus? these particular video's is where they talk about OBE techniques a lot so its nothing to do with trying to sell some product to help you do it which gives it a little more authenticity. Anyway here is the whole vid if anyone wants to see it (it has other techniques also) : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8y22y_5-sleep-triggers-to-trick-your-body_school

I know I can only try it myself to see if it does really work and I will but I just was seeing if anyone else has tried this and had any luck with it.

What you guys think?
#57
for experienced projectors: when in the astral what sort of questions have you asked your spirit guides? perhaps ones about yourself or the world or people you know? and what sort of answers did you get?
#58
This is meant for the people who are experienced and have had their share of AP's. Quite simply; what have you found is better about your life since you have been able to experience projection? maybe you have been inspired in some ways or taught lessons from the astral which help you better understand you as a being or maybe have done some other general cool stuff out there that gives you confirmation or reinforces belief somehow. Just some idea's. So why?
#59
Quote from: Xanth on September 22, 2014, 16:40:35
Life is but a video game already.  :)

ummmm ok. ?!?!?!???!!????
#60
I mean I thought maybe if it is indeed possible out there you could become the main character in your own videogame perhaps you could get a scene or level from a videogame you are fond of and sort of 're create' it in the astral somehow. Maybe the 'sprites' could be small elements of your subconscious somehow I dunno.

Could this happen? anyone tried to do this? should not be too hard at least in theory. What you guys think? be hella fun if it worked hehe! imagine creating and roaming round your own huge Minecraft landscape or being in a mission in a FPS game like COD or something. Cool eh?
#61
I been trying to think of ways one could possibly use Astral Projection in an attempt to view future events. Granted I know its not easy but I believe it can be done but I really am unsure how one could do it.

I thought if you went to sleep and projected you could go into the RTZ and then into the nearest newspaper shop 12 hours from then when its say 9am or something in the morning and see all the headlines in the front pages of the papers but then it occured to me that newspapers show things that happen the day before and subconsciously we may already know about those events. How I mean by this is you may hear about an event that happened on the radio or seen it on the news the day before and have subconscious knowledge of it before its splashed across every newspapers front page the next morning. So therefore it would not be confirmation of a premonition. I guess you could go a few days with no TV or radio or outside contact but that would be pretty tough.

Does anyone else have any idea's how it can be done? I trying to think of a way.
#62
k I see what you mean but don't you think this could be an easier way of doing it for the reason that simply saying 'reality check' is not really affecting the dream state as much as if you were to say 'clarity now' as because each time you say that you would get clearer. I figure I would not really be able to be clear or aware enough in my dream to really acknowledge saying 'reality check' I know I would have to have a pretty lucid dream for me to build on it with that which for me is pretty uncommon at least lately but if I am already subconsciously saying in my mind 'clarity now' it would build consciousness without worrying about being lucid enough in the first place to do it if you get me? a little confusing lol.

The art of doing it this way is you could change very minimal windows of dreaming clarity in your mind to strong lucidity at least in theory.
#63
Someone told me a technique which I figure could work as it worked for him but you need to be able to have a mildly lucid dream for it to happen.

Basically you go throughout your day repeating in your mind "clarity now". You don't see it every second but every few minutes or something so its drummed into your brain and are used to saying it frequently.

That night when your asleep if you have any flicker of mild consciousness in a dream you'll have the "clarity now" thing engrained in your mind and will be saying it still but of course the meaning of it will cause the dream to very slowly and gradually get clearer and more lucid until you have it clear as an OBE where you can go out further.

I know people use the "clarity now" comment a lot when they are in lucid dreams but by using this method you can potentially train your mind to get clearer a lot more frequently in a dream which leads to a fully conscious OBE.

Any views on this method? maybe someones tried it.
#64
Quote from: Xanth on July 29, 2013, 22:42:23
Because you need the time for your sleep cycle to get interrupted "just enough".
A few seconds of being awake after that interruption happens isn't enough. 
You'll simply slip back into a normal dream-state instead of remaining consciously aware.  :)

Ah alright I just thought it didn't really matter as all you were basically doing was going to sleep and hoping you'll dream regardless of how long you were awake for.
#65
So on the method where you project from a lucid dream you are supposed to sleep for approx 5 hours then wake up for around 15 mins or so then go back to sleep for another 3 to 4 hours where the lucid dreaming is expected to be most clear.

The Q I have is would this still not work even if you woke up for say a few seconds and went straight back to sleep in a matter of seconds and not bothered hanging around awake for 15 minutes?

thx.
#66
What would be the general process to use hypnosis for astral projecting? is there anything online like hypnosis video's which caters for anyone trying to astral project? has anyone used hypnosis to project? if so how did you do it and what did you use? thanks.
#67
So I may have a new technique which allows me to enter theta brainwave state. I do this while gazing with eyes open while sitting at my computer like now. I am figuring I can go into theta (deeply relaxed) and gently apply an exit technique but I feel my eyes would have to be closed for this part which I am worried will disrupt things if I suddenly closed them after 20 or something minutes of  deep relaxation. I could also try phasing out but this would mean I would have to close my eyes for that also. So the q's I have are these:

- if I suddenly closed my eyes deep in theta to attempt an exit technique would it disrupt my state of mind and progress?
- can you actually OBE with your eyes open?
- does anyone do deep relaxation with their eyes open then shift to eyes closed when it comes time to attempt to seperate?

Thx in advance.
#68
Quote from: Lionheart on May 01, 2013, 00:20:58
I use them every single night and every time I Consciously attempt to AP.

I say at night "By my act of will, I RELEASE my focus over my physical body. PLEASE, TAKE ME to your desired destination. SHOW ME what I need TO SEE. TEACH ME what I need TO LEARN. I AWAKEN in my Dreams consciously aware, so I may LEARN FROM and ENJOY them. I become LUCID in them so I may REMEMBER THEM.

Every capitalized word I see as fading into the darkness before my eyes.

I have a 100% success rating with this. yes, you read that right, a 100% success rate.

I am not boasting here, I say that because out of every technique I have tried, this is the only one that works every single time.

I have been doing this every night for over a year now. Some nights I stay consciously aware right into the Dream. Others I awaken in the Dream, with full conscious awareness of what is occurring and I can then just play it through or alter it to my liking.

Lately I have been playing it through to see where the teachings lead to.



What do you do here do you say all that stuff BEFORE going to bed or? and I don't get that bit you say about how you see some of the words fading into the darkness. Please explain a little more.
#69
Quote from: Szaxx on May 18, 2013, 15:20:48
Your body has recharged lots and doesn't need to sleep so urgently. You are also in the perfect state to project the instant you wake. Its also a better time as you're unlikely to be disturbed if that problem applies.
Basically you're half way there without doing anything.
More people have their first success this way by far and this backs up why.

right so is it actually when you are asleep in the second half that people have most success you mean? due to more lucid dreaming etc.
#70
Many techniques require you go to bed then wake up then go to bed again and attempt a technique somehow. Is the reason for this because lucid dreams happen more during the later stage of sleep which increases the chances of having one and projecting from one?
#71
So last night when asleep I seemed to awake into blackness. I was conscious and could hear myself breathing so my physical body was obviously asleep and dissociated from my consciousness. I was not fully conscious more like bout 60% conscious. I did not really know what to do once here I had heard of this before where others have "awoke" into this void which is black. So my question is simply how do you project from here?  thx
#72
ty for reply.

No one else had any experience trying this? pls tell.
#73
whenever I attempt to project I always try and invisage a place first, a real place that meant a lot to me as a kid and for most of my life, a place of course which is real and exists. I hope when I do finally project I could find myself out of my physical body in this place where I have always felt comfortable in and felt peace.

Would my strong desire to be in this place whether it be for real in the RTZ or a minds re-creation, actually end up me leaving my physical body and somehow finding my astral consciousness there somehow?

Has any person here tried this in an OBE attempt? what happened did you actually leave your body and find yourself there somehow?
#74
Quote from: Xanth on December 17, 2012, 20:10:46
The stage you "project" at is the same stage as if you weren't use the binaural beats at all.  Nothing changes with the use of them.  If you have trouble finding the proper point to project from, using binaurals aren't going to help you find it. 

ty but what would you say was the right time to attempt to project with or without the beats? I have trouble with this a lot. Knowing the right que hinders my attempts as I worry I may miss it. Some say you will feel your body go numb and maybe get vibrations would you say that was true?
#75
I am hoping to hear from users who use Binaural or Isochronic beats to help get to the right mindset to attempt to AP.

So its like this; I been using Binaurall, Isochronic tones. I find they do relax me but there seems to be something bugging me whenever I use them and it seems to be enough to hinder my attempts to get to the right mindset to project. How exactly would you know when its the right time to project? my attempts get hindered because a part of my mind springs back to wondering if I am supposed to try and "get out" now. This mentality does not help at all and does not let me get as deep in alpha/theta as I want to attempt projection.

I UNDERSTAND that Binaural beats/Isochronic tones only are meant to take you to right stage of relaxation/alpha/theta to project and do not do it all for you on there own.

I am confused at what stage you are supposed to attempt to project. So for anyone who uses these things or maybe anyone who does not but knows what to look out for when you know its time, please fill me in here. Thanks!