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It was definitely like being an observer and not a participant at all, but odd because while I was only observing everything, it was like standing right on the edge of the field unseen.  Like being there, but completely uninvolved in the situation in any way.   

I got to thinking recently about some kind of odd experience I had months ago.  After running into something else on this site related to the topic of phasing, it occurred to me that that might have been my experience too, but I have to admit I'm not quite sure.  Is it possible to phase without trying to do so?

Basically, one night I was simply laying in bed ready to go to sleep but still completely awake and just kind of unwinding from the day.  I wasn't moving, and just laying without thinking of much either (I can never not think entirely, lol.)  In any case, my intention was to simply go to sleep.  In any case, in one second I was aware of laying in bed where I'd started, and in the next second I was aware of standing at the edge of a field watching the scene that I saw now in front of me.  All around on the open plains and rolling hills I saw Native Americans, most of them on horses, firing at each other with bows and arrows, and wearing their traditional clothing and their faces covered in paint.  Where on Earth that scene came from I have no idea whatsoever.  It was like stepping into history or something. 

For several seconds it seemed I was part f the scene, as an observer but still very much there and not even thinking of the face that I was really back home in my bed.  Then I returned quite quickly and suddenly to awareness in the bedroom.  My eyes had been shut but I opened them quickly in surprise and confusion over the whole thing.  It's not that it scared me so much as simply that I found it startling.  It isn't often that one finds themselves suddenly in another time and place without going anywhere or intending to go.  I know I was certainly not  dreaming and then woke up again.  It's hard to explain but I was awake the whole time. 

I'm curious if anyone has any idea what happened there.  Also, I'm left to wonder, why such a violent scene?  As far as I can remember I don't think i was in a negative state of mind that day or anything before going to bed.  it was just an ordinary day.  I don't like the idea of war at all, or the idea that human beings need to kill each other.  it seemed so odd suddenly find myself in such a scene.           

I just wanted to share this on the forums because if nothing else it was certainly somewhat silly when looking back this morning, lol.  I went to be last night extremely tired, but still I randomly woke up without much clear reason in the middle of the night.  I was still tired, but I assumed at first for some reason that it was already morning.  I assumed I must have woken up not long before my alarm.  I was annoyed at having to get up already, lol.  I looked at the clock to find it was two in the morning, but was dismayed at not being able to get back to sleep easily now that I was awake. 

Realizing that it was actually an ideal time to attempt a projection and of course reasoning that I would just as likely fall asleep trying, which was just as ideal of a thing to do, I decided to practice a technique for a while.  From here it just got weird and somewhat funny.  Wanting to get to a mind awake - body asleep state, I decided to visualize sitting on a swing and simply swinging back and forth for a while.  My feet actually kept dragging across the sand and gravel on my visualized ground, lol.  Of course I should have been able to just see the swing as higher from the ground so my feet wouldn't drag like that, but I just couldn't do it.  My mind seemed to want to drag it's feet.  (Yes, I realize only now as I type this, that subconsciously I was likely trying to tell myself something by dragging my feet like that and trying to 'put the brakes on')  In any case, after working with this for a while and finding that clearly it was just not working I decided to switch to a different visualization.  I've always had neat experiences visualizing flying through the air and trying to see things from high above, so I chose to use that one again.  I simply couldn't get off the ground or hold the images at all. My visualization ability was just plain off for whatever reason.  I just gave up and let my mind do what it wanted to do.  I got to thinking about the plan for my radio show today, (I'm an internet radio host,) and just start to doze off to sleep.

Suddenly I was more awake again, but existing mostly in my mind with little or no thought of where I was physically.  It's an odd state I've never been able to fully explain though I've been in it several times before.  The first thing that I become really aware of though of that I could see  a lot of colors and patterns in front of my eyes.  I felt a very slight weight over top of me.   It felt like something soft and that I was right underneath it.  It came to mind that I was burried under a huge sheet of very colorful and heavy fabric.  The thing that came to mind at the time though in hindsight it's ridiculous of course, is that the drapes from some high window had fallen down on top of me and I was all caught up in it, trying unsuccessfully to get untangled from the fabric.  I realized at some point that it was only a near dream image oddly enough but still I couldn't get myself out of it.  I mentally lay then without trying to move again, still covered by this colorful curtain fabric.  It didn't scare me or anything.  Mostly I was just curious about it.  I felt like there was someone else nearby but they were in no way threatening or disturbing.  They were just kind of there doing nothing really.

I'd be very interested in any insights anyone might have on any of this.         

Im wondering if you have ever had a flying dream?
Thats a very common experience and a good starting point to try to resolve this problem.

My intention is to fly in a dream the next time I become lucid in dreamstate.  So far it seems I've been mostly focused on playing with time and 'restarting' or 'rewinding' scenes in LDs.  Then there's been a lot of odd learning going on in dreams lately too.  Like being taught or shown how to take control of the dreams while actually dreaming. 

I do recall a flying experience though from several years ago.  I suddenly became consciously aware of flying through the clouds high up in the sky with a small group of other people who I knew in waking life.  I knew it seemed all to real but I reasoned that it was odd since people don't normally fly.  I recall just looking down trying to see the ground below but seeing mostly only the clouds and little else.  I was not very good at flying either for whatever reason.  No good at turning or staying straight without losing some altitude.  It was amazing though in any case.

This whole incident got stranger though.  Since I knew the people I'd been with in my waking life at the time, and they happened to be a group of open minded spiritual people that I knew would see the humor in it if nothing else, I actually talked to them about this flying experience later in the week.  To my shock and utter amazement it seemed a couple of them had been discussing the very same memory they had not long before I'd mentioned it.  It seems unbelievable of course and had I not been involved myself I'd have shaken my head at it.  Clearly though this 'flying dream' might not have fully been a dream at all.           

A couple of nights ago I had another similar dream yet again.  This one was short and left no real details in my mind when I woke up, but i know I was talking to a dream character who was talking distinctly about both lucid dreams and OBEs inside the dream.  I just thought I'd note that on here because it was amusing if nothing else, haha.       

I'm sorry.  I just couldn't think of a more fitting title for this topic.

Anyway I wanted to ask this group about something I've begun to notice and finally started to understand.  Basically I just wonder if it's the same for everyone and what if anything to do about it.

Related to OBE practice, I can start to notice starting to fall asleep and everything quite well.  As far as I understand, I'm well on the right track as much as possible with it.  I think I've come very close several times.  It's in those times of being very close that I notice something that hit me each time like a ton of bricks.  I've always assumed it would not happen again but of course it does.  Basically I will go through the steps and all that only to realize somewhere along the way that I just cannot actually comprehend nonphysical existence.  I just can't imagine being able to reach up with a nonphysical arm for instance, which is odd and quite frustrating because I've actually done that very thing already.  (Not actually trying the first few times I've reached up or rolled over in bed nonphysically, just the old familiar startled and confused as can be at first until it finally occurred to me to wonder if I could do it again on purpose, lol.)  I certainly can't fully wrap my head around the idea of stepping or floating completely out of body.  It's the oddest and craziest thing.  I can get to a point it seems I might be close and then suddenly I find myself thinking that I'm perfectly fine where I am and I'd rather just stay in bed and leave well enough alone.

One of my AP goals (I think it important to have a goal in mind to follow if you do succeed early on) was always to fly from my roof.  It seems nice and basic and simple one.  But each time I find myself in this kind of odd close but suddenly losing motivation state, I suddenly think the last thing I can imagine or comprehend is losing gravity.  Okay, so I'm used to a physical world and two feet on the ground.  Logically then I should just consider maybe walking through my apartment or perhaps up the street.  Thing is that seems strange to me too.  It's like each time I think I'm getting closer, I suddenly just can't actually let go of the physical world. 

I should write more on this, but for some reason I'm confused about how to word everything well enough that it makes any sense.  I wonder though in any case if anyone might have an insight or two.                      

A couple of weeks ago I had 2 odd and strangely related and of confusing dreams in 2 nights.  The first night I dreamed that I was talking to some random dream character, who I recall  told me suddenly that if i wanted to know I was dreaming while actually still in a dream, I should simply look out for certain odd objects and take them as indicators.  He said they would be obvious and out in the open and he also had a list of them, which he recited.  There were several distinct objects on that list of his, but by the time I woke up, though I tried to recall as many as I could, by the time I woke up the only one I knew of was a brass watering can.   

The very next night I had a dream in which some other dream character was changing the scene and the situation around us rapidly.  Things changed one at a time and he was quite perfectly happy with himself and loved playing with the scene.  It was also obvious he was trying to show me that it could be done and was proving a point.  At some point I saw him slip and fall near the top of a step hill, only to shift the scene quickly so that he was riding down harmlessly sitting on an old skate board.

Just those two dreams like that two nights in a row and then nothing so odd since then.  I know enough thouhg to think that both hinted at something to do with lucid dreaming.  But the idea of such a thing, while ina dream.  Weird as can be.     

I would be interested in others' opinions or insights on this one.             

Sure.  My dreams seem to blend together all the time.  I'm quite sure most people's would. 

The human brain of course dreams only part of the night, and this in cycles throughout the course of the night's sleep.  Other times of night we are in much deeper sleep and really there is nothing for the mind to have to be aware of at all.  (I think it's basically like all logical and thinking parts of the brain are 'offline' in these stages.)  So of course what we get then are blocks of time without any conscious with the dreams in between.  No awareness means no way to notice the lack of such.  So... from our perspective we just dream all night.  Every dream though is still going to be different from the last.  We don't notice the switch from one to the next typically.  We just see the whole scene seem to change without us even noticing. 

If you sleep a whole night dream a  few dreams in that time, by morning, what were once vivid and perhaps even sort of logical (in that dream state kind of way) has probably dissolved into a mumbled mess of images, ideas, and feelings.     

It seems I did get close to going out of body once while considerably sick.  Unfortunately I succeeded in simply getting scared out of my wits over that one.  For some reason it just didn't feel like a very good situation, probably due simply to illness and just feeling physically bad.  A couple of years ago I came down with what must have been the flu or something.  In the middle of the day I decided to go and lay down, though I'd slept in for hours earlier that morning.  I slept for a couple more hours, only to wake up again, still dead tired but bored of sleeping all day and tired of feeling terrible.  I did start to go back to sleep again, but after sleeping so much i was not physically tired but mentally awake.  (Given my understanding of OBE's it seems, yeah, that's exactly how such things tend to happen.) Of course as I dozed off physically but all the while just barely remained aware of laying in my room in bed, I kind of found myself out of phase with the physical world.  Aware clearly of floating almost without obvious weight just outside my body.    

It took some determination to snap myself back to awareness again, probably my physical body was unwell, and it simply didn't want to wake up again.  Finally though I forced myself to move and that did it.  I got up again and afraid of such a thing happening again I sat up for awhile reading.  Yeah, quite silly I know, but unprepared and not at all intending for such a thing to happen, I'd just plain panicked, thinking in the moment that I might die or something.  Of course now I can laugh about it looking back, but really...                

Why do you want to astral poject?

I'm very sorry.  It seems I just got distracted... then busy.  I forgot all about this topic.  Anyway I do feel I should answer the question of course. 
Basically I tend to want to know for sure, or at least pretty close to sure, what I myself as an essentially multi-dimensional being, real am and am capable of being.  Also, though I've heard so often that we are so much more than our bodies, I am by nature a person who for all the faith on Earth, still needs to see anything for myself in order to TRULY believe it.   

I've lived in my current place, (a decent little apartment) for several years now.  I do get the odd false awakening in here of course, but ones that are more funny than anything once I wake up and realize what's happened.  Nothing to write home about.  Oddly though in my last home, (an old house that I shared with family) I used to get false awakenings on average of a couple times a month or so.  And there were of the awful and terrifying verity.  I used to dread it happening again, and obviously am beyond relieved to find it doesn't seem to happen like that since moving.

These ones back in that old place involved waking up (or so I thought at first) in a state where my whole room was turned sideways, or even upside down.  I'd stare at the ceiling sure it was a wall painting wrong and notice that next to it I'd see the carpet.  Things like that.  I could never wake fully up.  I was sure that if I could just get outside of the room and eventually outside the house, I'd be fine, but for the moment I felt too tired and sick to move.  I could barely see, like looking through barely open eyes at blurriness.  Sometimes I'd struggle with this for what seemed like an hour opening my eyes and closing them again, realizing I'd only half woken up and trying to wake up over again properly.  I'd hope that someone else in the house would come and help me but of course no one ever knew I needed help.  Often I'd phase off into a half asleep dream that lasted only a second and always involved another part of the house.  Once for example I found myself suddenly starting in the living room and finding it cluttered with stacked of packed boxes.  Another time that same room had been completely ransacked.  I once dreamed in a quick second of running into my mother in that same living room.  She started screaming and panicking saying I'd been stabbed in the eye with a knife.  It was all just nonsense really.  Nothing ever did make a hint of sense.  I'd finally wake up again normally, but sometimes it actually took several tries to land fully in waking reality.  It always did leave me shaken up entirely for the whole morning.

The thing I've found myself wondering though is why would such things happen specifically in one house.  I moved of course for completely unrelated reasons, not at all expecting that it would stop this, but to my great surprise and relief it did.  Was moving the best thing I could have done to stop this?  I've considered that it could have been medication related and not the house at all.  I was on come medication during part of the time I lived there.  This is though I didn't start taking it until a good while after these false awakenings started. Actually I was still on it for a time after moving too and of course it stopped when I moved.  I can't see a relationship between this and meds. 

This post was longer than I planned and I'm sorry for the length.  But I'm curious about the insights of others on this.                             

I hear lots of talk about getting kicked out of the astral for doing things out of the norm or such. How and why does this happen?

I'm don't know half as much as many here do, but reading this post reminded my of what I once learned about 'belief system territories' (No idea now off hand who it was that coined that term.)  It's basically just how it sounds though as I understand it, areas within the astral realms populated by people and beings with very similar beliefs and ideas about their world. 

Now say for example you were to take off flying through the air in an area that happened to belong to a group that believes itself to be as physical and bound by gravity as we in physical bodies on Earth are.  You might either scare someone who has no idea at all what to think, or just make several of them mad.  I wonder if in part, messing around to much, either on purpose of more likely simply my accident, in the belief system territories, is one thing that would a person politely or perhaps less than politely sent home.               

I once had a dream of being bitten by a dog as well.  (A dog that was real in waking life and would almost certainly have never bitten anyone, least of all me, who he knew well.)  In any case, in this dream, he was holding my finger in his teeth and refusing to let go.  There was no pain involved at all though.  It was strange.  I knew it should have hurt and that I should have felt something, but I didn't.  It was like having the idea that I was in pain without actually experiencing it.  It never did become a lucid dream however, though I would think that such an oddity might well be cause to become aware of dreaming.

Actually I don't tend to feel pain in dreams at all typically.  The times I can recall painful situations in dreams, it's always that same thing... the idea that it should hurt and strangely feeling nothing.  The one exception i can think of to this was the one night I dreamed of having an absolutely horrible headache.  In that one though pain seemed to actually be the main theme of the dream itself.  I'm guessing that's why it was different.               

I've never talked to anyone about this subject outside of the internet.  I don't talk much about any spiritual type matters, because it just seems in my life in general to be a bad idea.  I do know a few people who are into certain paranormal sort of things, but even in those cases I sense that astral projection would somehow cross the line.  lol, one thing I've come to learn in life personally, is that whether it's your spiritual life, personal interests in anything at all, or certain mundane personal information to do with something as simple as income taxes, if discussing it seems at all like a bad idea, just don't discuses it then. 

Losing a friend or having someone no longer talk to you over this does seem quite harsh though.  My personally opinion is that anyone who would decide to stop talking to someone over such a thing is not and may never have been real friend in the first place to be honest.  After all, it's not as though you told you you had committed a crime or anything dangerous or threatening to anyone.         

Do not get the whole face-book grass is greener depression thing here. You are just fine.

I am not depressed at all.  Admittedly I was a slight bit concerned that my post might come off as such, but try as I might I could not find any other way to say what I intended to.    I basically to make a possible observation.

Hey hey! 

Some of the members here who have been members for a good while, may remember me as one of those few, (though not the only one here surely,) that's spent a long time interested in this subject and practicing at times, but never fully and consciously had a success yet.  It seems that overall, the average might be several months of working at this before one succeeded the first time.  I'd be a bit embarrassed actually to put a number on the amount of time I've been fallowing that same path.  LOL, the journey is the whole point I think anyway, so no matter.  I am still hitting all the same usual "signposts" as many others btw... just fewer and further between in my case because of the slow progression.

Walking the slooooow path though while others race on past, (and yes, even if you've been on this path for 6 months before finally fully succeeding, you are racing past, lol) is giving me so much time to observe and notice.  Recently I made another such observation.  I thought I'd share it on here.  The simple fact is that when one has made it their intention to project for a very long time, and tried to do so, sometimes with growing interest and sometimes after having given up on it for a long time, we have so much more time to become convinced that we are not actually able to do so.  Thoughts become things in this area of reality I do believe.  I'm beginning to wonder if this is becoming one great and terrible downward spiral in which the longer one goes without success, the more like our own minds might stop us from even doing so, because we have not yet done so and thus cannot be sure we can.

lol, I really do hope my odd rambling and sense of logic made a hint of sense.  It's been the sort of week where I just can't seem to word things in sensible ways for some reason.                 

This morning I woke up at just before seven.  Terrible hour to wake up on a Sunday, lol; the day I typically enjoy sleeping in.  I was still quite tired because I'd been up quite late the night before, but I couldn't get right back to sleep as I intended to.  I decided to get up for a while.  I was only up a short time before I made up my mind that i may as well go back to bed for another hour or so, because i felt I'd be able to go to sleep again.  I dozed off right away and had this odd dream.

I dreamed I was working, delivering food from various fast food places around town to a certain odd place that looked like a restaurant itself and was always full of people.  It was the same thing over and over.  Drive away to pick something up in a bag, drive it back to where I started and hand it off, only to get called away again.  At some point I realized I'd gone to the wrong restaurant, but otherwise it just went of repeating.

Now, I had my phone in my purse on a shelf in the hallway not far outside my closed bedroom door.  It's battery died, and this started it beeping every so many minutes this morning while I was still dreaming of this delivery job.  In the dream for some reason I heard ths strange and annoying beeping.   But I didn't know what it was.  it seemed though that every time I'd hear it the dream would start again and the scene repeated.  Many times throughout what felt like hours but could not possibly have been so long, I sensed that the sound was from somewhere 'outside" the dream, but I couldn't wake up completely.  I just kept dozing back into the dream again, though I wanted to wake up.                 

Strange as it seems to me while trying to type this out and think it over while fully awake in the physical world, several times I've had an odd but still positive experience while attempting to consciously astral project. Sometimes as I begin to drift off physically to sleep, while trying hard to stay mentally awake, (and of course at times still getting a bit nervous or fearful yet still determined to stay with it and keep going,) I can hear a telepathic voice speaking to me in my head. It's never anything negative or frightening. The complete opposite is always the case. Clearly it seems an attempt to help just a bit.

Once just a month or so ago, one of my guides, who I've talked with several times, took some time and made some degree of effort to tell me without actual physical words, about our history together as friends.  Other times I've heard much less and nothing of any true significance in itself. 

Anyone else here ever have such things happen?  I've been thinking it over lately and it's made me curious about this in relation to other people's experience with this.   

I simply got curious about this last night and decided to ask on the forums.  If someone is out of and a ways away from their body what effect would the physical body being woken up quickly have?  Of course it seems like that such a thing could happen at least once in any lifetime and for any number of perfectly innocent reasons.  An inconsiderate neighbor deciding to very suddenly start a lawn mower or chainsaw at five am, the dog deciding it just has to go out at once and starting to bark up a storm by the back door, even you own alarm going off because you forgot it was still set.  But these I suppose would be more gradual awakenings.  Probably no different from waking up at the crack of down any other time you've been sleeping.  What if though it was a more sudden and forced wake up?  Say a family member or housemate slammed your door shut, or even decided, (hopefully with what they thought were good intentions) to shake your body awake?       

Firstly, good job for being able to seemingly keeping it together fine, and eventually just take off without much fuss. 

I decided I should reply to this topic because a similar thing once happened to me.  This was many years ago though now, when I was about 18 or so and I was certainly not intending to get out of body at all.  Needless to say this little incident scared the ever loving daylights out of me.  I was quite shaken up over it, and had no idea at the time what might have happened. 

Basically, I'd gone to bed overtired and glad to finally get some much needed sleep.  As I was dozing off though, I was in one second aware of laying in my bed, in the next aware of flying across my bedroom fast and unable to do anything quickly enough to stop it or even clue in, bouncing against a wall.  I was sent into a spin, in the middle of the room, all to aware both of getting dizzy and of fearing hitting a hard surface in the small room.  The possibility of hitting a window seemed likely too.  I tried of course to stop my senseless and uncontrolled motion but it happened so fast and I didn't know what to do.  Within what could have only been seconds I was back in my bed, fully aware that my body had been there all the time without me.

I wish I had an answer for you on what causes such a thing, but I can't say I have a clue.  I wonder this myself.  I can guess, but it would only be a crazy theory and little else.  My thinking is that it has a lot to do with an energy body suddenly finding itself free of the physical without planning or expecting to be.  Imagine suddenly finding ourselves both weightless and thrown forward, sideways, backwards, ect withouth warning.  Physically and in our normal world of gravity we would of course fall over or bang into something.  But an energy body, sued to (at least on some level) flight and speed and motion and not effected by things like gravity and walls?  Well... yeah... lol.                   

I would definitely have to choose 4.  "To explore the unknown."  Option 5 has a definite appeal as well though.  I think however they are a bit related and go together.  To find the mystery and meaning of life is a from of exploration of something unknown too.     

For several years now I've been having dreams quite often of the brakes failing in my car. It's never the same twice but the theme remains.  Most often I'll dream it's in whatever vehicle I've got at that time.  For years I had a old van and I used to dream it's brakes went while driving many times. I've recently gotten a new car and not long ago it was featured in the same sort of dream, lol.

Anyway, based on this I wanted to share a neat little thing that happened one night within such a dream.  In it I was driving my brother, (who was for some reason back in town, and bothering me endlessly) to the bank after he'd bugged me for a ride.  He was ranting about my driving, which funny as it seems, is actually true of waking life.  He's always been the worst backseat driver I know for some reason.  Therefore the scene seemed fine and normal enough to me.  I came to the train tracks though that cross the middle of town and of course went to stop behind the line of stopped cars that was forming to wait at the crossing.  Typical as could be, my brakes failed completely and I rear ended the car in front of me.  This was somehow familiar in the moment.  I snapped to a new awareness and realized that I'd rear ended cars in the past after having brake issues, and that they were always just dreams.  I knew that my brakes were fine.  I remembered that once before, the last time this had happened in fact, I'd actually become conscious too and have decided through will, to rewind time and stop before I'd hit a vehicle.

My brother in what I now knew fully was a dream, was ranting and raving at me about having screwed up big time and hit someone.  He yelled about how I was in big trouble now and how he'd been dragged right on into it because according to him I couldn't drive. 
I simply looked at him with confidence, shrugged my shoulders and said calmly and with some amusement, "Oh don't worry about it.  This is a dream.  I can rewind time. I've done this once before."
He looked at me for a second like I had grown another head.  Then he became confused, and looked at me like I was speaking Chinese or something.  I recall reading somewhere before that if you tell a dream character you are dreaming they get confused as anything by it, but I'd never seen it for myself before.  For the second time though, I consciously rewound a dream just like one might rewind an old VCR.  I drove forward again.  I hit the brakes, sure they worked.  I stopped fine.  My brother was clearly seeing the scene for the first time and the crash had never happened.

For me it seems the brake thing in a dream has become a great chance at lucid dreaming.  I've been working on this for ages and have even had a few, but never fully thought to try to control the scene myself until the failed brake dream.  I've always in other ones just know it was a dream and still let it play out as it will.  This one though it seems in giving me enough of a need to do something.  To take action.

For so many, I can imagine, to dream of car brakes failing would be terrible.  For me it is too at first because well of course who wants to hit anything in a car and feel helpless and frantic.  but also I'm starting to see it more and more as a chance to play, lol.                             

Wow, I haven't used this account in such a long time.  I ended up having trouble with it due to a lost email address that got hacked.  I made a new one on here, and have now deleted it after finding myself able to use this one.  It seems human error got me again.  In any case glad to have this account back since I've had it for so long.     

Well it sounds like what you were doing was working.  You may or may not have gotten any further even if you had waited a while longer.  Keep in mind that  for some people things will happen in small stops with more progress each time, like getting a feel for it slowly.  That's pretty much how it is working with me as well.  Secondly, and this is something mentioned quite a lot, not everyone actually gets vibrations at all.  If your hands are floating and you are sure it 's not your physical hands, that's a very good sign I think.     

I have never listened to music with the intent of simply using ii to relax, (although now that you mention it I really should.)  I do sometimes put on some music so that I can try and concentrate on listening to it instead of falling asleep.

ACDC, Metallica, Rush, Marilyn Manson to name a few..

tvos

LOL, you can relax while listening to that kind of music?  I'd have never thought that music like that woudl help a person relax.  I always thought it would have the pretty much opposite effect.