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I've never consciously separated from my body so I can't speak from experience but I've read a lot about "astral blindness" occurring when projecting to the RTZ. I think the blindness fades as you get farther from your body so maybe you could try to feel your way out of the room first and then open your eyes if you still can't see.

Observation , the "show unread posts" link seems to not be accurate. Is there a know issue? What I see is I click on it and then read a post list and click again and a good portion of the listings that was there are no longer listed. Even though I did not read them?

Yeah, clicking on "show unread posts" automatically marks the listed posts as read. It's annoying but I sometimes work around it by keeping the tab open until I have read all the listed posts. It would be great if this could be fixed though.

Your story instantly reminded me of a song by System of a Down. Have you listened to it before? Maybe it left an impression on your subconscious?

Hmmm... what makes you suggest this? The animal deaths are occurring all over the globe. Surely this thing can't be emitting enough gases to affect animals all over the planet... ?

Guys, this is totally not bovine excrement. This is a totally real process. Hypnotization is nothing to f*ck with, it can create parallel realities and split personalities in some cases. There are forms of hypnotizing that aren't harmful but in the hands of somebody powerful, you can really create some bizarre instances such as this.

Hmmm... So what are your experiences with hypnosis?

That sounds like some pretty exciting stuff. I hope you find what you are looking for.

Hi and welcome.

You mentioned you're just learning. Have you ever had an out of body experience or astral projection before?

Ok, thanks man. I'll give it a shot.

But most people, who for example are dreaming of LOTR environments or slaying dragons, are making their own temporary reality in F 22.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. The main reason I starting jumping to wild conclusions though was the unexpected twist at the end of my dream. I've had a lot of dreams before and this (expecting/awaiting something, only for something completely different to happen) really stands out as a first experience.

But maybe you're right and I'm simply trying to inject more meaning into something than it really deserves.

Is that the usual focus level for dreams?

That is totally fascinating!  Did you feel like you were yourself, or someone different?  Were you depressed in the dream?  When you were in the process of killing yourself, did you have any thoughts of why you were doing it, or where you might end up?  What did you do as a ghost? 

Sorry about all the questions, but I've never heard of someone killing themselves and I find this really interesting.  Thanks for sharing! 

Oh, yeah I've been shot, stabbed, buried alive.. fallen off mountains, and in a plane... there are so many, I can't recall them all right now.  In the plane one, I slammed into the ground with dirt and debris all around me and I started hearing music... for a split second I was like...hmmmm.. then I realized it was my radio next to my bed that I was hearing. 

Well, like I said I don't remember too much. But I think I was running from something. I eventually reached a kind of artificial cliff (kind of like being at the top of a dam and looking down) and considered jumping off as an escape.
Erm, yeah. Then it gets kind of weird. Your question about whether I felt like myself is most appropriate because I think after that I watched "myself" just wondering (floating) around as a ghost (very stylised, almost cartoonish) close to the body. It didn't really feel like it was me though.
I woke up after that so it was just enough to realise I(?) had become a ghost but nothing much really happened after that.

Thinking about it now, I had a dream just a few days ago (I have written notes this time, yay!) in which I switched perspectives or something along those lines. Bottom line is that after waking up I wasn't really sure which character of the dream had been "me". I just opened a new thread about it.

[Part I:]

Ok, sorry for the nondescript title. I had a dream about a week ago that I would like to share. I've split it into two parts. Maybe they were separate dreams or I just blacked out in-between.



The whole thing takes place in a historical setting that seems to be a blend of Lord of the Rings and Gladiator scenarios (I like those films ).

Part I:
I couldn't remember much about Part I after waking up but I'm quite sure a lot of stuff happened.
So we (Dunno who we is. Maybe the human race) are at war with our enemies (orcs?). I'm a warrior and I have a stuffed rat and a coin which I know will be really useful in the battle. The coin has a future year engraved on it (i.e. it's from the future). I feel like I could be a time traveller. For some reason I mustn't let anyone see these "secret weapons" though. Maybe because then they would figure out I'm from the future?

Part II:
Now I have a family and we live in a simple thatched hut (no rooms). The colour palette is very... sandy. There's a strong sense of history, it feels like I have a background. I'm the father in the family and I'm probably the time traveller from Part I. We're expecting an attack at night and we have weapons to defend ourselves. They look like the hobbits' knives/swords from the LoTR films.
Then it gets a bit confusing because now I'm the son and for some reason the hut has rooms. (It doesn't feel like I missed something in-between though, it's just dream logic. ) The others are waiting in front of a barricaded front door for the attack. Meanwhile I walk into a back room. There are two people sleeping in here but I don't take any interest in them. I fear the attackers might try coming in through the sealed window in this room. Then I sense movement outside the window. I get scared and call for help. At this point I feel like a little boy calling for his daddy. In a dreamlike fashion I can't shout very loud and nobody hears me. I'm not terrified out of my wits though. I have my sword pointed towards the window. I'm frightened but ready for a fight. The window opens and it turns out there is a basket of supplies being shoved in from allies outside. The atmosphere becomes very cheerful and the family (including my brothers and sisters) joins in to examine the cheese and bread and all the cool stuff we just got. While we're going through the stuff I say: "Wow, and it's even all wrapped up in plastic like in the 21st century." The other kids giggle and shush me because I shouldn't be pointing out these anomalies to the others.

I'm not sure whether the whole thing is about time travel or whether we're actors in a film. But nevertheless it feels like I'm in on some kind of secret and I mustn't share it lest I "wake the others up".



So, here are some questions I have:

1. Either I switch perspective or I have several perspectives at once in this dream. Has anybody here encountered something similar before?

2. The whole situation in the back room, looking at the window, is a familiar dream setting for me (at least the emotions attached) but for some reason the exact opposite to what I expect occurs. I don't think I've ever experienced such a direct contradiction of thought -> action in a dream. What do you guys think about this?

3. After waking up I was so surprised about how the dream took an unexpected twist at the end that I considered having received "outside help" from a benevolent entity influencing my dream. Taking the whole idea even further, could it be that this was "more than just a dream"? The whole setting had a very strong sense of being a "real world". Could I have been in some sort of Focus 3 oC (Kepple terminology) or Focus 24-26 (Monroe terminology) kind of place?

I had never heard of Thomas Campbell before (yeah, I'm a n00b) but I'm really digging the videos so far. He's got a humble, down-to-earth kind of vibe but at the same time it feels like he really knows what he's talking about. I really like his way of explaining stuff.

Thanks for sharing.

Soda actually increases your saliva production.
And as we all know, that can really get in the way of any projection session! 

Well I guess if you believe it can...

Water!  That's where it's at!

Yeah, water is pretty awesome (at least in it's "original", non-tea form)... Still I think Coke deserves an honourable second place in the drinks hall of fame.

We could drink tea 

:NoY:

But how would that help?!?

...

Coca-Cola. That's the answer!

I once killed myself in a dream and continued in it as a ghost... I think. The memories are really vague by now and I never wrote any of it down.

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Although there is no race to any finish line in this game of life, those who choose to incarnate into the physical realm will have progressed much further upon finally graduating from the physical realm than those who choose not to experience the physical realm at all.
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Well first of all there is no such thing as "time" or "space", there is only the present moment of Now - which is Eternal.  "Time" as humans know and experience it simply does not exist except to the extent it is perceived to be experienced and believed to exist, and is therefore entirely subjective and never objective.  The subjectivity of time is relative to the perspective of the experience.
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So you're essentially saying that upon graduating from the physical realm we will have progressed just as far as those who choose not to experience the physical realm because though we may learn faster, the lack of time means the others will have caught up already.

Didn't Monroe mention something about hands pulling him into Locale III in his first book? I don't actually have the book so I can't check, sorry.

[witchcraft]

Deutoronomy is an OT work, but if you read the NT you will see that this is not as clearcut as it would seem.  Read 1 Corintians and you will see that there is another way to see this.

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1 Cor
2:15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. 2:16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
3:16Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

12:4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 12:5And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord. 12:6And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all things in all. 12:7But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit withal. 12:8For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit: 12:9to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit; 12:10and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues: 12:11but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each one severally even as he will. 12:12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ.
12:28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 12:29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 12:30have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 12:31But desire earnestly the greater gifts. And moreover a most excellent way show I unto you.

14:1Follow after love; yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy."

It is very clear that he just told his followers that they could do most of what was previously prohibited.  The 'sorceries and divinations' are negative ways to portray "discerning of spirits, interpretation of tongues, healings and casting of lots (divination with stones) and prophecy, which is the same as divination.  So why is it that contemporary clerics still cling to the OT edict while ignoring the NT allowances?  Power.  They don't want us to realize that The Spirit of the LORD dwells in us, and we are of God, as spelled out in the above example, and it wants us to "follow after love, yet desire earnesty spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy".

Yeah, you're right. There certainly is another side of the coin but "magic" and "witchcraft" are condemned in the NT as well (even by Paul himself).

Galatians 5 v19 (NIV):
"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Revelation 21 v8 (NIV):
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

The way I was brought up is that when Christians perform miracles they are done by the power of the Holy Spirit (which non-Christians don't have) and the acts are therefore acceptable. When people without the Holy Spirit do this kind of stuff it is considered "sorcery" because they are drawing their power from the devil.
Personally I think it's a cheap and sad double standard but I used to believe it too and there are many others who still do.

Oh yeah. Let me point out I've never actually had an OBE though. So maybe my advice is just a load of bovine excrement.

Swallowed. I think if you try to suppress your need to "dispose" of the saliva you'll just keep focusing on it. If you swallow when necessary eventually it becomes a habit and you stop thinking about it... At least that's my theory. I still have problems with it occasionally.

I used to have the saliva problem too. I have tried not to let it impair my progress and now it seems to be getting less frequent.
I've also had the eye problem occasionally but usually only during meditation. Yesterday was the first time it arose in an attempt to project. I suppose a sleeping mask would work around this problem though.

[I might be wrong]

Hi Vineyard.

I enjoyed reading your story. You gave a nice, detailed introduction about how you "woke up" and started investigating and rethinking your current paradigm of life the universe and everything. I can empathise with you about how you are currently feeling because I too have undergone a dramatic paradigm shift in a short period of time and sometimes feel bursting to share my new insights with others. However: No matter how "enlightened" I feel or how sure I am about my new discoveries I try to keep reminding myself that (yet again) I might be wrong.

It's a shame that most of the replies so far have been so disrespectful and non-constructive, especially considering the fact you were actually making an intelligent argument as opposed to preaching mindlessly. But I know I can be this way too often enough. It's difficult to keep an open mind.



Anyway, getting down to what you said. Here are some things I would like to point out:

Back in February/March I decided to Google " World War 3 " just for fun. What I found was that a prophet called Baba Vanga predicted years and years ago that World War 3 would begin in November 2010.
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Remember what I said about World War 3? That Baba vanga predicted the outbreak in November 2010. Well, North Korea attacked South Korea on Nov. 23 so I guess she was right all along. Of course the media won't report that a WW3 just started and the war itself hasn't officially started but the trigger was Nov 23. World War 2 didn't officially start until 1941 with the Pearl Harbor attack which the US government admitted to have foreknowledge and they also PROVOKED Japan to attack them.

From my experience I would guess that most Christians won't acknowledge the validity of such prophecies. The Bible condemns what I interpret to be "all things psychic" in many passages. Here's a quote from Deuteronomy 18 v9-13 (NIV):

"When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD; because of these same detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God."

Baba Vanga claimed to talk to invisible beings (demons?), dead people and aliens. (Aliens are another topic which make traditional Christianity difficult to hold on to.) So if you are a Christian now: How can you accept or endorse Baba Vanga's work?

Even the fact that the Bible history spans for about 4000 years (AD), which would mean the world was created by God 6000 years ago, was true. The world is in fact 6000 years old even though billions of years is the common way to explain the age of the Earth. It's all lies from the pits of hell. The only thing you know about the age of the Earth is what you've heard in the books and television. Never did it occur to you to investigate on your own. Even the Carbon14 method is supporting a young Earth and C14 can NEVER give millions of years.
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Let me get back to the talk about the Earth being a few thousands of years old. This is going to be hard to swallow I know. For years you've been told that the universe began 15 - 20 billion years ago and that you was created from bacterias 3 - 4 billion years ago. For years you've been told that. But you've never been told in school that the world is 6000 years old which the Bible suggests. Let's dig some deeper shall we?
I'm not going to give you the tons of facts I have stored but I can give you some basics, OK? Here's a link to Kent Hovinds' seminars. He's truly a great man and peoples' lives have changed after watching his seminars. http://freehovind.com/watch-4308235066145651150

What you're saying here is essentially that our society has been spoon fed "knowledge" (about the age of the earth) which we assume to be true despite the debatable evidence it is based on. I agree with you on this and think this is a very valid point but I doubt the evidence we have points so much more clearly towards a 6000 year old earth. Even if we assume this to be true this is only a tiny step towards accepting that the Bible has any shred of truth in it and extremely far from "proving" that anything else in this book regarding how the world was made, who or what God is and what He/She/It is like, where we go after we die and so on.

PLEASE WATCH ALL HIS SEMINARS! PLEASE! THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO MISS! YOUR LIFE WILL CHANGE I PROMISE!

Watch all of his seminars and I promise you that you will never see the world the same way as you used to do. I promise.

Making promises like this is ridiculous. They severely taint your credibility and make me question how objective you are capable of being.

What I discovered about the Bible was truly amazing. Everything was true. Every single word the Bible said was true. Every prediction has come true and some predictions are yet to come true.

The Bible makes a lot of statements that don't appear to make sense. Leviticus 11 v20 (NIV):

"All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you. There are, however, some flying insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other flying insects that have four legs you are to regard as unclean."

Then there also quite a few things that the Bible doesn't seem to be sure of itself. Like after Jesus' resurrection when Mary and the others (different constellation of people in each of the gospels) reach the tomb is it empty or is there one angel or are there two? Also what's with genealogy of Jesus in Matthew 1 v2-17 as opposed to Luke 3 v23-38?

There is a lot to say regarding predictions in the Bible:

1. The Bible is not the only source to make predictions which have come true. There have been prophets and psychics from all kinds of religions (even many without a religion) which have made accurate predictions. Also predictions are made all the time by researches and scientists and housewives and just about everyone else which have turned out to come true.

2. Some of the predictions made are ridiculous. Here is a quote from Genesis 3 (NIV):

"So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,

"Cursed are you above all livestock
   and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
   and you will eat dust
   all the days of your life.
And I will put enmity
   between you and the woman,
   and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
   and you will strike his heel." "

This takes place in the Garden of Eden after Adam and Eve have eaten of the forbidden fruit, stand before God blaming each other (Adam blames Eve who blames the Serpent) and are judged by Him for their actions. I don't know what you were thinking when you read this but it is considered by scholars to be a prophecy about Jesus winning the battle against Satan! And it is actually used as proof that Jesus is the Messiah because he fulfilled 1337 (or however many) prophecies made about His coming.
There are many more examples like this in which I get the impression that some kind of meaning is superimposed into old texts in retrospect to make it seem like something was predicted from the beginning.

3. Many predictions are easy to make and/or very vague. For example Matthew 24 v6-7 (NIV):

"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places."

4. How can we validate the predictions from the Bible? Most of the evidence for them coming true comes from the same place: The Bible.

Ask yourself this. Who created your soul? There must have been a Creator. The Universe didn't create itself out of nothing. A creator did it. A designer. God created your soul. He created you. He knew you even before you were conceived and he promise you an eternal life as long as you call for Jesus and repent of your sins.

The argument that everything needs to have an origin or a creator of some source is actually fine with me. Inferring that this cause must be God creates a system which is complete and makes sense. The whole "Who created God?" question has always seemed to me like ridiculous teasing from people who refuse to get the point because by definition God is the source of everything, where it all began.
However, just because this system makes sense does not mean it must be correct because there are other equally plausible explanations. For example: Imagine a system with two, three, 100 or 1.000.000.000 "Gods". Maybe these "Gods" (we could also call them "souls") are infinite and don't require a creator (just like the one God in your belief system). Maybe they created the universe.

Once again, even if we assume that there must be a God it still doesn't imply that He/She/It must have any of the properties of the Judaeo-Christian God and it certainly doesn't support the concept of sin or redemption or believing in Jesus, etc.

If this doesn't strengthen your belief and make you religious then that's up to you but let me tell you this. We're all going to heaven one day and face our judgment. Most will go to hell. Most people believe hell is not a real place and more like a device used by the church to scare people. This is wrong. Can you honestly say that you know for a fact that hell is not real?

Can you honestly say for a fact that hell is real? If so, how do you know this?

If you watch the seminars above and come to the conclusion that God exists and created the world 6000 years ago you MUST come to the conclusion that hell exists.

Wait, what!? That's a collosal logical leap you are making there. If I come to the conclusion that God exists and that the world is 6000 years old that still doesn't imply anything about heaven, hell, sin, judgement, redemption or the afterlife.

If everybody would follow the Bible and do what it says there would be NO sufferings in the world. Absolutely nothing! And still some people claim the Bible is bad.

This is true for many belief systems such as Islam or Buddhism. This alone doesn't make the system a good one.

That's wrong... you're leaders are bad!

What do you mean by "our" leaders? Do you mean non-Christian leaders? I can assure you that there are also many bad Christian leaders.

What can we expect in the future? Well... Israel will go to war with Iran and USA will join them. North Korea will most likely attack South Korea and Russia, China, USA and Japan will join. (I actually had a dream about it last night). The dollar will collapse within 1 year. The debt bubble is SO HUGE that it's going to break any minute. Never before has the debt been so great and massive. The collapse will make the great depression look like a picnic. The great depression was engineered just like the financial collapse in 2008 which we're in right now. It was all engineered and caused by printing to much money. Anyway... the dollar will collapse within 1 year and we will have wars all over the world. World War 3 will start and HAS already started. Forced vaccinations will kill many people and in 2015 the globalists will finally have an excuse to implement the New World Order because of the huge war. That's the perfect excuse. A one world government, one world religion, one world military and a global currency.
The RFID Chip will be injected in your right hand and it will be used as a digital one world currency. Money will not be used any more and without the RFID Chip you won't be able to buy/sell. The Bible says that whoever takes the mark of the beast in his right hand will burn in hell for without the chip you won't be able to buy/sell. The RFID Chip IS the mark of the beast and if you take it you will burn! Everybody will be forced to take this chip so be careful who you talk with.

It's cool you made some specific, verifiable predictions. I'm intrigued to see how things play out.

Some of you will probably laugh and forget all about this but some people who are not ignorant will at least give it a shot. You're free to do whatever you want and I strongly suggest that you study the Bible and the words.

Thank you for this suggestion. It seems the Bible has had a great impact on your life and I'm grateful you are willing to share your experiences and your discoveries with us. Unfortunately time is limited in our physical lives so we can't look into each and every religion or belief system therefore I can understand why many people would ignore this suggestion.



Thanks again for sharing. I hope you keep an open mind and keep evolving spiritually. If you earnestly seek the truth I'm sure you will find it.

So has anyone tried this?

It didn't do much for me. But then neither do binaural beats or isochronic tones...

they exist because my family member can see them.

You have a very influential family...