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Hey, I think I might have had my second projection last night from a lucid dream. I was sleeping over at my girlfriends house after a kind of long night, so I was extremely tired, so I fell asleep right away. Ok, it was very weird, I was in the dream or whatever, I think it was like something in Spain or something. And, I was doing the normal dream things, like being scared, happy, but all kind of fake dream feelings if you know what I mean, they aren't like...real, and for some reason, my dream self started thinking about projection. And I was like... well, what if this was just a dream? Then I started thinking like... what am I doing in Spain? And then I was like.... THIS IS A DREAM! YES! So I started running around... and I'm sure this was a lucid dream, because I was just like yelling at people like... I"M DREAMING! They all just kind of looked at me, haha, if my memory is correct. But then, everything kind of faded in and out, and I found myself back in the lucid state in my girlfriends house somewhere.
         I think I was in her basement, and remembered I was dreaming, I started doing all the stuff I tried to do during my first projection, like jumping off of walls, and just experiencing no gravity. I think I went outside and flew around, went to houses and jumped off, and fun stuff like  that. I then went back into the lucid state again.
        I ended up in some sort of spa/ like swimming pool place where like some voodoo doctor ran it. I was started to get worried that I wasn't projecting anymore because 1.) I had just regained consciousness again, and wondered if I had fallen asleep somewhere, and my girlfriend took me to a spa or something weird like that, and 2.) I kept trying to jump up and fly to the high dive, but I had normal physics again, so I was thinking that since I had just flown to the place, that something was going wrong. Well, I started running around like shouting at people like... what was going on.
       The atmosphere in the place was really soothing. Since it was a spa place, there were candles everywhere, and the warm baths made me feel really sleepy. Also, there was a sweet aroma of like fruity like bubble bath and soap, and everything was like very dim lighting. I walked up to some like lifeguard in a swimsuit, and regained consciousness again. I asked started to ask her if she knew if I was projecting... she just looked at me kind of like she obviously did, but had a little smile like I was a newbie at it, she was defiantly a higher energy. She then told me something really like philosophical that made me think, but I didn't really understand what she meant. I then had some feeling that she was my higher self so I asked "Are you my higher self or something?", and she said "No, not even close" she kind of laughed when she said it. She told me if I wanted to meet my higher self that I would have to do something with my arms, which was weird, and then I went into a different dream, still in the bath place, but it was a dream.
      So, just any comments would be appreciated, THANK YOU!

Tony

Hi Hpmons.

I had my first projection last night, and I have been working towards it since January. It varies on how long it takes each person to progress, and I know, from personal experience, that even though sometimes if your not progressing, you actually are, because each time you try to AP, you are getting further to your goal. For me, it was kind of like building blocks. I would get a new experience, hmm, maybe every other day or two. It could be as simple as the first time your hands go numb, or the first time you feel vibes.
         You kind of lose track of time, from what I've heard, during an OBE. Mine last night could not have been any longer than 10 minutes, but I still can't tell, that's just an estimate. OBE's (meditation in particular) have taught me so much. I have a totally different view on the world, life, and basically everything now after I have gotten into this. It is defiantly worth the commitment.
            I personally tried to learn AP, because I thought it would strengthen my meditation. In a way meditation and AP are two different things, but they are alike as well. I hope you project soon, it's an amazing experience, and just have fun!

TONY

YES! I'm almost 100% sure that I just projected! Wow.... Ok, it wasn't self induced... but it just happened, and everything was so vivid! Ok... I'm pretty sure it was sometime around 4 in the morning, and I had just woken up for some reason. Ok...  I don't know if this really happened, but I'm pretty sure it did.... I laid propped up with my elbow underneath me, and on my side. I don't know why I was doing this... I thing I was just doing that because I like to think about things early in the morning. I think I began to doze off... still in that position, and somehow... I have no idea how... I started to feel all weird, I can't really describe it now, almost like a twisting sensation, and I somehow  knew just to go with it, and this all happened in a matter of like seconds, and I just let my body "flow" almost, and I moved toward my ladder on my bed (I have a loft bed), and just let myself "flow" towards it. I could see my room... it was still night... but everything seemed different, like sort of echoing, well not echoing, but like... quiet or something, I don't know, I just had some sense that everything was different.
         
        Ok, so this is where I'm positive that I APed. I went towards my ladder, and then, started going head first down it! I was FLOATING down my ladder! with my legs in the air! Ok, for someone who has never done this, it was quit weird. It felt like my insides were turning out, like almost the feeling when you drop during a roller coaster, but it felt so good. I think it was the adrenaline pumping through my body. I then started to test things out, to make sure it was real. Ok... this is where stuff gets kind of fuzzy. I might have had different wall paper on my wall, I can't remember, but i'm pretty sure I was just lightly hopping around my roof, letting my self float and then back down like moon physics, almost like on a trampoline. I then decided it was time to fly... : ). So.... I stood at my door, and just kind of went through it.. almost like it wasn't there.

       Ok... so omg... I just had this feeling of everything coming back to me... ok.. .so I was at the top of my stairs, and I gave a little... GERONIMO!... and jumped forward down the stairs, and kind of just drifted to the bottom. I wanted to get outside, but everything was really dark, so I tried to look for my door. Everything got a little lighter, and I found it, and went through. THE NIGHT WAS BEAUTIFUL! I immediately began hopping around like some rabbit on the moon. I was jumping around my front yard trying to fly, but I couldn't get it! I would go up like 9 feet, and come back down. I don't know how long I did this, I remember running around the street, haha. OH YES! and i remember thinking that sometimes when people first OBE, it's harder to fly right away... and I remembered reading that on these forums ; ).

   Ok... Since the flying wasn't going good, I thought that maybe it was a mental thing, and something that people use to fly would help me start out. I couldn't think of anything, so the closest thing I could think of was a broom, lol. I went inside, into my closet, and took out a broom. so I went back up my steps, and  right before I went through my door, I though to try something. I remember hearing people say that when you AP, try to look in a mirror or something, to see your reflection, it's usually interesting. So... I looked into the glass on the door... and whoa, my face looked weird. I had this really evil grin across my face, but it was almost like it looked like a cartoon character, my mouth was like stretching to my ears, it was kinda creepy actually. But it still kind of looked like me. I I couldn't think of anything, so the closest thing I could think of was a broom, lol. I went inside, into my closet, and took out a broom. and then went back outside.

    Ok... so the broom did help. I began rising several feet, and me being scared of heights in the physical world, haha, I started to get nervous, but then I thought... WHO CARES! I CAN'T DIE! So I rose up to about 80 feet into the air, and was lightly flying down my street, when I heard all this yelling coming from my driveway. I drifted back over my front lawn, I was just about getting ready to shoot straight into the sky, into space, when I saw my mom and my dad arguing, both in their pajamas. My mom was saying something like " I don't know how he could just lay there like that without waking up!" (she was almost crying ) She somehow thought I was in sort of coma state. I think they found me, and shook me, and thought I was unconscious or something, and not just sleeping. Hovering in the air, I began to think... wait no... that couldn't happen, because when I project it should be like I'm sleeping? But it all sounded so real, and I could see them too. I started to think... how could this happen? Are they going to the hospital, why aren't they bringing me with? I started to get mad, because I had so much I still wanted to do. I flew down to about 50 feet, and over my cars in my driveway. I thought the best thing was to return to my body, even if I didn't want to, to make sure everything was ok with my parents.

      I thought of lying in my bed, and right away, I woke up lying in my bed, but it was morning outside. I sat there for at least 10 minutes trying to make sense of everything. I shouldn't have waited that long, because now some stuff feels like a dream, or just really fuzzy. I'm sure I did other things, I just can't remember. I checked in with my parents, and they said they did nothing of that sort last night. So now I have several questions... was this an OBE, because some parts of it feel almost dream like... but I've never had a dream that vivid, and I remember thinking during it, something I've never done in a dream. Oh yeah, and I remember it was really cold outside, which it is in real life... and I usually don't feel like sensations in a dream that lifelike. And, the fact that my parents didn't do that? How could that be explained?  I dunno if this was an OBE or not, but it was a damn good experience. Most fun I've had in a while.


  So if it was an OBE, does that mean my next ones while be easier to induce? Since I wasn't trying to AP, does that mean I'm still at the same level as I was before it, when I last tried? Ok, well thank you guys for listening, it truly was a wonderful experience, I just wish I could remember more of it. I didn't have any of the problems that most people mention during their first OBE, if it was one, only the flight thing.

THANK YOU, AND GOOD LUCK!

TONY

Hey, I was just thinking about this, and it came to my curiosity, what kind of vibrations are there? I know I've felt a rocking sensation, a swaying sensation, and the traditional prickly electrifying sensation, but are there others? Oh yea, and can you get out of your body by just feeling very mild light vibes? Do they have to be intense? Like, if you just feel gentle little prickles up and down your body, can you still get out? THANKS!

Tony

hmm, sounds good, eh, no sorry, I'm not, but I'm party native american   , hence, I picked up spanish, if that makes sense, haha. anymore help?

tony

Ok, wow, I just finished a very good session of attempting an OBE, and it was amazing. Ok, the main reason I did so well was because I didn't really care if I projected or not. I just told myself, who cares, every experience is a good experience. So, I got to the point of relaxation where it feels like your whole body is one. I was so out of it, I just kind of felt like some sort of cocoon almost. I had this amazing feeling of not really caring about anything, I could've laid there with that feeling all day, but I was doing too good to stay in that phase. Ok, then after a while, I could feel little tingles, like a light rain of tingles, just gently going down my body. This would happen now and then for about 10 minutes. Then, my heart started beating faster, and I could almost hear it. It felt like the pulse of my "cocoon" was like a natural rhythm with the tingles.

     Then the tingles started getting intense. I could feel each individual "prick" of the vibes, mostly around my legs and chest. Once they started getting stronger, I felt really sedated, almost dizzy. The only thing I can compare it to, is if you have ever been to say, an amusement park, and they have those electric chairs? Well it's like that, it's not sort of a painful electricity, just one that like takes my breath away. It was almost "constricting", like, crushing me. Actually, it felt like all this pressure was closing in on me. I then felt my ears pop, or something, like after you get water out of your ears. The electricity that was going through my body was amazing, it was going up and down, almost like a natural high. But then, the vibes started to slow down, and that was about it. After that, I had some intense feeling of realization, and I was snapped back into reality.

     Well, that was basically it. Was I close? Can you guys give me any tips on what I should do? Ok, like, how do I make the vibes stronger? Because, sometimes I can feel these tingles, which I call like "baby" vibes, like they aren't the full thing, but I know that's what happens right before I feel the full force of it. I get these little tingles, especially if my toe accidentally twitches,  I'll feel all this energy shoot up to like my arm and chest. How do I  make them stronger? Because sometimes I'll just be laying there, feeling the tingles, and the big vibes wont really come. Also, it seems like I can only attempt to AP like once a day, because if i try it again, I just get really tired, and fall asleep. Alright, thank you for listening once again guys. Help me please! Thanks! Oh yeah, when I opened my eyes after I was done, I got this huge shock/ tingle up my spine, when I saw that I had feet! lol

Tony

Thank you Eol007, I'm sorry about the paragraphing guys. I was kind of rushed to get all my ideas out because it was late, I should've went back and put them into paragraphs. But thank you for the suggestions!

Tony

:: This is kind of long, ok very long, but I think I might have some good ideas, but please just skim through it at least! Just comment on what you think, THANKS!::

OK, before I knew about, or even heard about the whole astral projection/ metaphysical area in general, I was a pretty religious Christian. This was only because I never questioned anything anyone said, I was told something, and I just believed it, because I had heard it all my life. Everything that happened in the Bible, I believed actually physically happened in real life. But once I started going through my age of questioning things, whether it was parents, society, religion, etc (you guys know what I'm talking about).

I began to wonder, how all the stuff in the Bible could have possibly have happened. I mean, isn't it odd that all of this happened a long time ago and the only evidence of Jesus or God is in written documents! We are taught to have Faith, but what is this Faith based on? How could Jesus have physically fed 5,000 people with just a few loaves of bread and some fish? How come there isn't any physical evidence of Jesus' miracles, or God's power? How come God chose to reveal himself so long ago and all of a sudden stopped? If he is so loving, why doesn't he just come out and say it? Why does God have to be so secretive? He's always mysterious. Why can't anyone perform miracles anymore? These are just a fraction of the thousands of questions I would ponder to myself.

It wasn't necessarily enjoyable either. I felt like with this new sense of reasoning that I was losing all the love I had felt before with thinking there was a being somewhere that was listening to my every prayer, and making sure I was safe all the time. I began to wonder, once being exposed to murder, and death, disease, poverty, and everything that is evil in the world, how God could be so loving? I know this is an age old philosophical question "why is there good and evil in the world?", But it had a deeper meaning to me. I felt my faith starting to crumble; I had to sit through church thinking that almost every other word the priest said didn't really happen.

Around this time is when I first learned about meditation. The teachings of various guru's and spiritual teachers had a strange sense of meaning and appeal to me, almost how I felt with the faith that I had before. The teachings of self-knowledge, truth, high awareness, becoming one with the vibrations of the universe, other dimensions and so on! Everything that had to be said about meditation, and its teachings, I absorbed like a sponge. I was constantly searching for new knowledge, to fill the hole that I had lost with my faith in the Bible. Everything started to make sense once I began to actually practice meditating. I could understand the teachings more. I began to discover things in my mind that I had never known before. It was almost like there were doors in my mind that were locked, and I had suddenly discovered the key. As I progressed in meditation, I began to realize how much I had missed out on not knowing. I realized that there was more truth, and knowledge that I got out of one solid good meditation session than one mass. I started to get into astral projection, and here is where I am to day, but I'm getting ahead of myself, before that I started putting things together.

OK, I began to look at the Bible from a different view, because I now don't view the world in the same way as I did before I started meditating, it's almost like I took a filter off of my brain, and I finally view everything differently. I don't remember how I used to view it. I just know it was a lot more different than I view it today. It was almost like I was in some program, like the matrix, haha! Anyway, I started to play with the idea that what if Jesus was the son of God, but in a different sense. I think I got the idea from the Islam actually, the idea that Muhammad was a prophet. I think one day I was just thinking about this, and the meaning of the word "prophet".

I think maybe the foundation of my thinking came from the Higher Balance company modules. A friend of mine (thank you Tom, and Eric ; ) ) lent me a few of his. The first thing that came to my attention was the theory of different frequencies of meditation. As explained in the modules, there are an infinite number of doors leading to higher states of consciousness, but it isn't easy to get to this. Some people may spend an entire life just visiting to one of these doors, which may be at a low level, not realizing that there is in infinite amount of higher doors waiting to be opened. Eventually, if you are very good at meditation, and have mastered it, you are able to unlock the highest levels of doors that there are (I know I said infinite, just pretend, Very Happy). At the highest level of these doors, or the highest frequency of thought, your are able to achieve enlightenment, or being able to be at the same frequency as God/ the energy of the universe/ Allah/ the ultimate energy/ w/e you call God. You are able to bring back knowledge from this frequency back to earth. Now, it may be a little hard to get across to people, because for someone to translate something that awesome into the puny 100,000 words that exists in language that might be a little hard!

Which is were I came to my first theory, maybe this is why Jesus talked in parables? Now I am getting ahead of myself again by not explaining why I thought Jesus was enlightened, but I will explain that in a second. The only way Jesus could bring the knowledge his mind had learned from the highest frequency of thought, was to explain it in terms in which people could understand it in... so stories.

OK, so one of the things that I am still not convinced about is Mary being a virgin, giving birth to Christ. I think this is fictional portion of the bible that someone added in, to make Jesus' story seem more incredible, I mean it was, but this was just added to spice things up. OK, the same way people tell old wives tales/ fairy tales. The Bible was a collection of oral stories, so probably eventually; things got a little stretched or added to give the story of Jesus a little zest. Just in the same way as your grandpa would stretch his stories a little, "travelled 30 miles to school" etc. Every tall tale comes about from a story that is orally passed down over time, until it becomes so absurd, that it isn't considered true anymore. Now, I'm not saying the Bible is a tall tale, I'm saying some parts follow the same theory as what I just described.

Another thing that the Bible may have that misleads people is the fact that people spoke differently than we do know, back when it was written. I mean, come on, it was 2,000 bloody years ago! Of course they would speak differently, and have different slang/ dialect than we do. Even are parents say funny words that were slang around their time, but not now. Who says "groovy" or "far out" anymore? Anyway, the point that I am trying to make is that Many things in the Bible could have been worded in maybe a more poetic, metaphorical/ literary form.

Just how modern poets use different phrases for describing things? Such as, instead of saying "the sun", one might say "a great sphere of burning anger" as an example. So when whoever wrote the Bible would say something like "Jesus is the Son of God" they might not have literally meant that he was. OK, so Jesus grew up, and was probably introduced to meditation/ astral projection at a young age, just how some of us in this forum were. Now meditation has been around for ages, as most of you know, in the east, for thousands of years. So, Jesus probably became very good at it, maybe he was a natural, maybe he was just practiced a lot. He was probably a fast learner, sought enlightenment, and eventually, as I said before, probably unlocked the highest doors, and entered the highest frequency, or the frequency of God/ the energy of the universe. This is probably why he talked about being so close to God, because in a sense he was. He was at the same frequency as this Being of Universal Energy, that he probably felt as if he was almost the Song of God. He probably used the word "God", because that's the word that people were familiar with, but he ultimately meant this higher energy.

Jesus spoke poetically, and a lot of the stuff he said, probably was not meant to be taken literally, rather thought about by people, so they might become closer to this higher frequency, or for them to be able to seek inner truth and knowledge by wondering about these things Jesus said. When Jesus would pray for very long times he was probably meditating; and trying to unlock more doors of consciousness, eventually reaching the highest frequency. So yes, Jesus was enlightened. A lot of things he did were probably stretched over the years, but who knows, maybe with his enlightenment came the power of telekinesis Wink? Maybe that had to do with some of his miracles! Now, I am sure that what Jesus learned through meditation was the knowledge of compassion and goodness, and he tried to get this message across to his audiences.

When he talked about being in heaven with his Father, he was relating the relationship of a father, something familiar so the people could understand, with the feeling of happiness, or what he described as heaven. He preached through goodness that one would be able to experience life, which is the meaning of life, because with goodness comes in return goodness from other people, making life full of more experiences (at least that's my theory, and it's worked so far Very Happy). Now the thing I have been interested in is about Jesus' Resurrection?

Now, today is Easter, so I was thinking about it. OK, I know there was a post somewhere in the OBE general discussion session about what if you were so good at projecting, that when you died, and you found yourself leaving your body, if you could just fly back into your body, and not die? Now, this probably isn't true, but maybe since Jesus was enlightened, that when he died on the cross, he was able to find his body, and enter it again, because maybe he still needed to get one more thing across about enlightenment before he finally went to rest? Or so people would believe it more? This is a kind of far fetched theory, but, it could be possible I guess if you think about it. Well, so that is my basic theory on Jesus and most of the Bible.

But through meditation, and this new sense of faith, but in a different way, I am able to enjoy mass again, but in a different way. I am able to enjoy it more in thinking that Jesus was more of a guru, bringing back his knowledge to help people achieve inner truth. Maybe through having gone to this awesome frequency of all knowing, maybe he planned this all so that the Bible would be written, and people like me would come up with these theories and maybe think differently about the world and life. Maybe he wanted to keep the real meaning hidden and twisted in the poetic language of the Bible, not revealing the real meaning, because if it were all spelled out for us, it wouldn't make us think. Maybe the Bible is a very valuable thinking tool, and it's interesting because it's almost like I made a big circle in my faith, starting back at the beginning, but with a different sense of faith. Now not scared of death, or life, through meditation.

I know this is an extremely long post, and I've been sitting here for quit some time, but if you are here at the bottom, scrolling down to check to see how long this sucker actually is, please just give a little time up, maybe on a rainy day or, a boring day at work just read it, or at least skim it to actually maybe change your perspective on Christianity? This is just my theory, and it could probably be explained better, and there's a lot more that I could say, haha, but these are just some main points that I wanted to talk about. I feel better actually getting this on the forums, and please post what you think, or discussions, or comments!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR READING!
TONY    
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OK, before I knew about, or even heard about the whole astral projection/ metaphysical area in general, I was a pretty religiuous christian. This was only because I never questioned anything anyone said, I was told something, and I just believed it, because I had heard it all my life. Everything that happened in the Bible, I believed actually physically happened in real life. But once I started going through my age of questioning things, whether it was parents, society, religion, ect ( you guys know what I'm talking about ), I began to wonder, how all the stuff in the Bible could have possibly have happened. I mean, isn't it odd that all of this happened a long time ago, and the only evidence of Jesus or God is in written documents? We are taught to have Faith, but what is this Faith based on? How could Jesus have physically fed 5,000 people with just a few loaves of bread and some fish? How come there isn't any physical evidence of Jesus' miracles, or God's power? How come God chose to reveal himself so long ago, and all of a sudden stopped. If he is so loving, why doesn't he just come out and say it? Why does God have to be so secretive? He's always mysterious. Why can't anyone perform miracles anymore? These are just a fraction of the thousands of questions I would ponder to myself. It wasn't necessarily enjoyable either. I felt like with this new sense of reasoning that I was losing all the love I had felt before with thinking there was a being somewhere that was listening to my every prayer, and making sure I was safe all the time. I began to wonder, once being exposed to murder, and death, disease, poverty, and everything that is evil in the world, how God could be so loving. I know this is an age old philosophical question " why is there good and evil in the world ", but it had a deeper meaning to me. I felt my faith starting to crumble, I had to sit through church thinking that almost every other word the priest said didn't really happen. Around this time is when I first learned about meditation. The teachings of various guru's and spiritual teachers had a strange sense of meaning and appeal to me, almost how I felt with the faith that I had before. The teachings of self knowledge and truth, high awareness, becoming one with the vibrations of the universe/ other dimensions, and so on. Everything that had to be said about meditation, and it's teachings, I absorbed like a sponge. I was constantly searching for new knowledge, to fill the hole that I had lost with my faith in the Bible. Everything started to make sense once I began to actually practice meditating. I could understand the teachings more. I began to discover things in my mind that I had never known before. It was almost like there were doors in my mind that were locked, and I had suddenly discovered the key. As I progressed in meditation, I began to realize how much I had missed out on not knowing. I realized that there was more truth, and knowledge that I got out of one solid good meditation session, than one mass. I started to get into astral projection, and here is where I am to day, but I'm getting ahead of myself, before that, I started putting things together. OK, I began to look at the Bible from a different view, because I now don't view the world in the same way as I did before I started meditating, it's almost like I took a filter off of my brain, and I finally view everything differently. I don't remember how I used to view it, I just know it was a lot more different than I view it today, it was almost like I was in some program, like the matrix, haha. Anyway, I started to play with the idea that what if Jesus was the son of God, but in a different sense. I think I got the idea from the Islam actually, the idea that Muhammad was a prophet. I think one day I was just thinking about this, and the meaning of the word "prophet". I think maybe the foundation of my thinking came from the Higher Balance company modules. A friend of mine (thank you Tom, and Eric ; ) ) lent me a few of his. The first thing that came to my attention was the theory of different frequencies of meditation. As explained in the modules, there are an infinite number of doors leading to higher states of consciousness, but it isn't easy to get to this. Some people may spend an entire life just visiting to one of these doors, which may be at a low level, not realizing that there is in infinite amount of higher doors waiting to be opened. Eventually, if you are very good at meditation, and have mastered it, you are able to unlock the highest levels of doors that there are ( I know I said infinite, just pretend,   ). At the highest level of these doors, or the highest frequency of thought, your are able to achieve enlightenment, or being able to be at the same frequency as God/ the energy of the universe/ Allah/ the ultimate energy/ w/e you call God. You are able to bring back knowledge from this frequency back to earth. Now, it may be a little hard to get across to people, because for someone to translate something that awesome into the puny 100,000 words that exists in language, that might be a little hard? Which is were I came to my first theory, maybe this is why Jesus talked in parables? Now I am getting ahead of myself again by not explaining why I thought Jesus was enlightened, but I will explain that in a second. The only way Jesus could bring the knowledge his mind had learned from the highest frequency of thought, was to explain it in terms in which people could understand it in... so stories. OK, so one of the things that I am still not convinced about is Mary being a virgin, giving birth to Christ. I think this is fictional portion of the bible that  someone added in, to make Jesus' story seem more incredible, I mean it was, but this was just added to spice things up. OK, the same way people tell old wives tales/ fairy tales. The Bible was a collection of oral stories, so probably eventually, things got a little stretched or added to give the story of Jesus a little zest. Just in the same way as your grandpa would stretch his stories a little, " traveled 30 miles to school" ect. Every tall tale comes about from a story that is orally passed down over time, until it becomes so absurd, that it isn't considered true anymore. Now, I'm not saying the Bible is a tall tale, I'm saying some parts follow the same theory as what I just described. Another thing that the Bible may have that misleades people is the fact that people spoke differently than we do know, back when it was written. I mean, come on, it was 2,000 bloody years ago! Of course they would speak differently, and have different slang/ dialect than we do. Even are parents say funny words that were slang around their time, but not now. Who says "groovy" or "far out" anymore? Anyway, the point that I am trying to make is that Many things in the Bible could have been worded in maybe a more poetic, metaphorical/ literary form. Just how modern poets use different phrases for describing things such as, instead of saying " the sun ", one might say " a great sphere of burning anger", as an example. So when whoever wrote the Bible would say something like " Jesus is the Son of God", they might not have literally meant that he was. OK, so Jesus grew up, and was probably introduced to meditation/ astral projection at a young age, just how some of us in this forum were. Now meditation has been around for ages, as most of you know, in the east, for thousands of years. So, Jesus probably became very good at it, maybe he was a natural, maybe he was just practiced a lot. He was probably a fast learner, sought enlightenment, and eventually, as I said before, probably unlocked the highest doors, and entered the highest frequency, or the frequency of God/ the energy of the universe. This is probably why he talked about being so close to God, because in a sense he was. He was at the same frequency as this Being of Universal Energy, that he probably felt as if he was almost the Song of God. He probably used the word " God", because that's the word that people were familiar with, but he ultimately meant this higher energy. Jesus spoke poetically, and a lot of the stuff he said, probably was not meant to be taken literally, rather thought about by people, so they might become closer to this higher frequency, or for them to be able to seek inner truth and knowledge by wondering about these things Jesus said. When Jesus would pray for very long times, he was probably meditating, and trying to unlock more doors of consciousness, eventually reaching the highest frequency. So yes, Jesus was enlightened. A lot of things he did were probably stretched over the years, but who knows, maybe with his enlightenment came the power of telekinesis ? maybe that had to do with some of his miracles. Now, I am sure that what Jesus learned through meditation was the knowledge of compassion and goodness, and he tried to get this message across to his audiences. When he talked about being in heaven with his Father, he was relating the relationship of a father, something familiar so the people could understand, with the feeling of happiness, or what he described as heaven. He preached through goodness that one would be able to experience life, which is the meaning of life, because with goodness comes in return goodness from other people, making life full of more experiences (at least that's my theory, and it's worked so far    ). Now the thing I have been interested in is about Jesus' Resurrection? Now, today is Easter, so I was thinking about it. OK, I know there was a post somewhere in the OBE general discussion session about what if you were so good at projecting, that when you died, and you found yourself leaving your body, if you could just fly back into your body, and not die? Now, this probably isn't true, but maybe since Jesus was enlightened, that when he died on the cross, he was able to find his body, and enter it again, because maybe he still needed to get one more thing across about enlightenment before he finally went to rest? Or so people would believe it more? This is a kind of far fetched theory, but, it could be possible I guess if you think about it. Well, so that is my basic theory on Jesus and most of the Bible. But through meditation, and this new sense of faith, but in a different way, I am able to enjoy mass again, but in a different way. I am able to enjoy it more in thinking that Jesus was more of a guru, bringing back his knowledge to help people achieve inner truth. Maybe through having gone to this awesome frequency of all knowing, maybe he planned this all so that the Bible would be written, and people like me would come up with these theories and maybe think differently about the world and life. Maybe he wanted to keep the real meaning hidden and twisted in the poetic language of the Bible, not revealing the real meaning, because if it were all spelled out for us, it wouldn't make us think. Maybe the Bible is a very valuable thinking tool, and it's interesting because it's almost like I made a big circle in my faith, starting back at the beginning, but with a different sense of faith. Now not scared of death, or life, through meditation. I know this is an extremely long post, and I've been sitting here for quit some time, but if you are here at the bottom, scrolling down to check to see how long this sucker actually is, please just give a little time up, maybe on a rainy day or, a boring day at work just read it, or at least skim it to actually maybe change your perspective on Christianity? This is just my theory, and it could probably be explained better, and there's a lot more that I could say, haha, but these are just some main points that I wanted to talk about. I feel better actually getting this on the forums, and please post what you think, or discussions, or comments!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR READING!
TONY

Alrite, well I normally practice meditation and trying to project right when I get home from school, but I've stopped doing that because recently, since i've been so tired, everytime i try to project, i just fall asleep. I start seeing all this random imaging, then maybe some noises, then I just drift into sleep, wake up 2 hours later, and in frustration, realized what happened. So, because of this, I thought that trying to project at a different time, might have a different affect. I have never tried projecting right before I go to bed, because I have heard it is bad to project around your bedtime, because you will just fall asleep. Well, this thought is what helped me. Because I didn't really care whether I projected or not, and because I would go to sleep either way, I decieded just to lay in my bed, and try. I usually try on my couch, but I thought trying in a different spot might help too. So, I  climbed up my ladder (it's a loft bed) and layed down in my bed. I put the covers over me, stretched a little, then started concentrating on relaxing every part of my body from my toes to my head. When I can't feel my hands anymore, and they feel like they are drifting up, this is when I know that I am physicaly relaxed, and I can now start to concentrate on my mental concentration. I usually see random shapes and colors float by under my eye lids, or slowly take shape of a scene, or something weird like that. It's always random. Then, this is where it gets weird. I usually start to feel a rocking sensation, like I'm rocking back and forth, and my bed is moving. What should I do when this happens? This time, I just waited it out, and felt my concentration move deeper. By now, I'm not really thinking of anything, just on feeling energy. Now, I don't get vibes often, so when they come, I treat each time as a blessing. My vibes come in waves (is this normal) like, the first wave will last for like 10 seconds. It feels like it's pulsating through my body, the tingles I mean. It feels like they are going up and down, up and down, continiously puslating through my body. The first set of waves was kind of weak, and they lasted like I said for about 10 seconds. I waited another few minutes, before the second wave came in, this wave lasted about 30 seconds, and was more intense. When it hits me, it felt more of like shock, and everything started to slow down a little bit, time seemed to almost slow down. Then this wave died down, and i waited a few minutes, then the third and final wave hit. This wave lasted for about a minute, and this time it was really intense. Imediatly that slowing down feeling that i described happened like 10 times more intensly, everything seemed to go really slow, and I got really flush and warm. A huge rush of adreneline shot through my body, and I could feel and hear my heart pounding, and the blood pumping through, but almost in a distant way. It felt like I was sinking into some sort of cacoon, like there was an outer shell almost. I think this was like, my physical body was acting as a shell. The vibes died down, and it felt like I had just ran sprints or something. I was exausted, so I thought I'd just try again tomorrow and went to sleep. Ok, so my question is, how close was I to projecting? Is there any tips you guys could give me on anything that I described??? Anything at all will help! Or even any comments, just anything is appreciated. Thanks guys for listening, and happy travels!

tony

PHISH is where it's at man, i'm sorry... that diarrhea intense

YES!  I did indeed feel very shocked, it was like being almost like doused in cold water while your sleeping deeply. STUPID PHONE

Oh yes, I'd also like to add that before I had those feelings of energy, I concentrated on the ringing in my ear, and I heard a lot of weird noises, like doors being shut, and I can't remember some of them, I think one sounded like a car screeching, and an airplane taking off, or someone wiping a window, or something, I don't know. I noticed that once I start to not concentrate on anything, I feel like I am falling asleep, so yea, just adding that. PEACE
TONY

Ok, I'm going to have to type this very fast, as it just happened like 6 seconds ago, and I don't want to forget what happened.

Alrite, well, I got home early from school today, soo... i figured i might try astral projection during the day to see if it helps. Well, I went through all of the exercises, relaxing every part of my body, then I went deeper. This is around the part where I usually start seeing random vivid images, sometimes I see them as if they were right in front of me, or sometimes I see them more like they are thoughts in my mind, but very vivid, or sometimes it's a mix of both. These flashes only last for about a few seconds each, but they go very fast, and RANDOM.

Like today, I remember seeing a kid in the middlle of a huge room, with a backpack on... then all of a sudden I like flew into his head, and I was in front of a train station, ect. Well, I don't know how long this usually goes on for, because I'm not aware of the time.

but then after a while, today I had a very strange experience. I had a vision of one of those swinging benches, I don't know if you are familiar with them, people put them on their porches, and you sit, and kind of swing back and forth. Well, it felt like I was laying down on one of them, AND i could actually feel myself swinging back and forth! IT was the oddest feeling, because since i was laying down on my couch, it felt like my couch was swinging back and forth, like in real life, and it felt so real. I could feel my stomach turning, because everytime i was up, i would have a weird sensation in my stomach, like the drop on a roller coaster, except less.

Ok, so right after that, all of a sudden, I had an intense awareness of being relaxed. Like, it was really weird, I stopped swinging, and I just kind of was aware of how relaxed I was, it almost felt as if I was sinking, because I was so relaxed. I was just like...... wow, it was so comfortable. Then all of a sudden I wondered what it would look like if I was standing next to my body, and looking at it from that perspective.

This is were it gets fuzzy, when I tried to think about it, all of a sudden my body kind of tensed really hard for like one second. Then.... my eyes started going nuts, by this time, I wasn't aware of my hands anymore, and it felt like my whole body was numb. Then, it felt like these huge flashes of electricity started pulsing from almost like my chest, and outward to my legs and my arms and head. It was very intense, and the less I concentrated on them, it pulsed harder. I could feel it tingle down my thighs and into my toes, but very violently. My head starting to swell up, and it felt like i was under emense pressure. It was like electricity was shooting through my body, and I've heard about this happeneing before people project, so I kept letting it happen, and tried not to fight it.

I don't know if you guys are fimiliar with the band PHISH, but they have this one song called 'you enjoy myself', and almost in the middle of it, there is a climax of guitar, drums, piano, and bass, all going higher and higher, and then at the highest point, it just turns into a sweet bass riff, and drums, and it's like ' boy..............(bass).........man......), and it's really chilled, you gotta check it out on nugs.net , ANYWAY, i was just using this as an example to describe the climatic feeling of all that energy pulse through my body. THis is the first time I actually felt the vibes, so i was very happen.

BUT THEN! the worst thing happened! MY CELL PHONE WENT OFF! and it was sooo loud, because it was on the table next to me! i quickly snapped out of the vibes, and when i awoke, it was almost like a shock to be looking at my body laying there, i don't know why it was, it just was. It took a few seconds to pull myself together, because I was a bit out of it, and then, i told the person who called that they just screwed up something very important...

and yeah, that's my story for today, but how close do you think I was? I might try a few times later today, and I'll see what happens,  but please respond by giving me tips, or ANY comments, alright, thanks for listening guys, hope to be traveling soon!
TONY

what is this phasing method?

Ok, I've done everything I've possibly could. I've been practicing meditation and projection for around 2 months now, and I'm in a rut. I've had lucids, and I've gotten tingles, and I've gotten no feeling in my hands/ numbness, and a feeling of another set of hands, BUT I JUST CAN"T LEAVE! I WANT TO! BUT HOW!  I CANNOT LEAVE MY BODY! I get to a point where if I try any longer, I just fall asleep, or I get to deep in my lucidness. How do I leave? Please, just any stimple tips, when i get to the point where I can't feel my hands, but almost feel a second set, do I just try to raise them up? When you guys leave your body, do you feel each part go numb, and then slowly move each part out? I don't know what to do past the point where I get so concentrated that I go past the point of ever projecting?! Please, just anything will help right now. One time, I had sort of an OBE, like, I was meditating, and I got up because I heard all this shouting, and I went to my bedroom door, and my mom was unscrewing the doorknob, and taking it off. And I was like, WTF is going on! And then I woke up, but after I woke up, and thought about, it was dreamlike, but it felt like before that, I had just returned from some distant place, but can't really remember. Like it's not a strong feeling, just very very weak. But that's the closest I've ever gotten, and I was no where near concious. Ok, I go through all the steps, I do everything right, it's just I get to a point where I'm like, " ok, just leave the body' and sometimes I'll get tingles all down my body for like a second, and feel like a higher conciousness, but this only last for like a second, and then disappears. I simply just want to LEAVE! HOW THOUGH? Are there any tricks of like picturing something in your head, or like, seeing your self floating up? Or, I don't know, I'll take anything. It just seems almost impossible now, because it feels like I want to, but I can't. It's very frustrating. For a while I was advancing rapidly, like one day i got no feelings in my hands, then the next day it was no feelings, and a higher state of thinking, then the next day, it was no feeling, higher state of thinking, and then lucidness, and so on, for a while, but for the past week or two, i've been stuck. It's like I can't go on further. I simply want to leave my body? HOW DO I TRICK MY BRAIN!? PLEASE HELP! I JUST WANT TO PICTURE SOMETHING< AND THEN JUST LEAVE AND BE FREE. I feel my body being heavy and everything, but I can't leave, it's like impossible, please help, and thanks for listening!
TONY

Ok, I'm sure all of you pro projectors are bored of hearing this, but you must understand, this is the closest I've come, and it was the most amazing experience! Ok, I'm going to go into to detail, so bear with me.

Ok, this is what happened, I was sitting Indian style in my computer chair (which is how I always sit), and was just online, and because I was done with everything I had to do for the day, I tried deep meditating. This didn't work because I was distracted by an itch when I started getting into it. Ok, well, after about 50 minutes, since I am so focused on projecting, I decided to try again, but this time, just out of curiosity, I turned on one of those stupid deep sleep things, that I downloaded BEARSHARE LITE, the kind where they talk and tell you to take deep breathes? Just to see if it would work. The specific one is by Paul Scheele, or something, but that is irrelevant. Well, I started how I normally do, sitting Indian style in a chair, with my three fingers closed together (thumb, index and middle) and my other two, hanging down, while resting my hands on my knees. I was kinda hunched over, but the track began. It started with a bunch of deep breathing exercises which I did, but as I was recommended before, to count back from 10 to 1, then restart at 10, counting your breathe, and also to concentrate on a specific spot of air coming out of your nose (thanx Tom).

After about 10 minutes of this, I actually stopped hearing what was playing, and was deeply focused on counting and my breathe. My eyes started to hurt, because they started going all cross-eyed, for too long, and that hurts. They always try to open, which usually ends my session, but I tried hard to keep them from going crazy. I became so relaxed that I didn't realize anymore what I was doing. I then realized that I could not feel my fingers touching, and so I moved my right index finger to see if they were (which was a stupid thing to do, because this just broke up my session again, but you must understand, I've never gotten to this stage before, so I thought my hands just got really cold) I realized that they were touching the whole time, I just couldn't feel it.

I was still in control so I quickly went back to the numb hands state again. When this happened, (this is where it gets weird) I started to feel like some invisible form of something like slowly floating above my hands (my whole hands and arms at this point felt very bulky and heavy, and useless) I remembered people saying to try to concentrate on this energy, but when I started thinking about people talking, it disrupted me again, and I had to start back over. When I got back to the floating part again, I like almost understood it. It was weird, I could like sense it, but in my mind. It felt like invisible and like light. My face also felt very light, I felt like trying to move the light part out, along with my hands, but my body wouldn't let me, I had like a light layer of face, that was slightly sticking out, but I don't know if it was, or if I was imagining it was. I tried to get up, but then my physical body was still more in control then the other light part, and it wouldn't let me, but I could still feel my physical body, and it felt very bulky.

Then I started to get into very short quick breathes, and it felt like my whole body started to turn like upside 90 degrees very slowly though, it didn't feel like my physical body was actually doing this, but rather like, my mind? I dunno how to describe it, but it felt weird, and I've never gotten this far before, and my breathe was getting really short and choppy, and my fingers twitched together for some reason, and I automatically realized what i was doing in the physical world, and I snapped out of it.

So, how am I doing? I was in this state for about a half an hour. My problem is that I try to hard to realize that I have a lighter part, which is what makes me realize what I'm doing?

When I get amazed that it is actually working, my concentration goes back to my physical body, and then I have to start all over again from the beginning and concentrate on my body.

Any tips or something would be great, but I'd thought I'd just update everyone, BUT I HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP ME!  , I really appreciate this forum, ANY TIPS WOULD BE GREAT! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING!


milk

Hey, i'm just bumping my topic, but please respond, i really need help, thanx!

Ok, i've been trying to project for about a month now. At least once a day, i lay down on my bed (well, lay up on my bed, because it's a loft bed) and I go through all the steps, relaxing each part of my body, until sometimes I slip into a deep state of relaxation. Then this is where it gets hard. Sometimes, when i'm in this deep state, it feels like my eyes go crosseyed, and they start twitching and like shaking like crazy, my eyes do. And then, like for about a second, i get this cold, almost like shaking rush that goes through my body, but it only lasts like a second. And then after that, i'm kind of brought back into reality, and then i have to start all over again. This is extremely frustrating, because i've been trying this for about a month now, but everytime I get one of those cold shaking things, after, I all of a sudden become aware that i'm still like laying there. Now i was wondering, i try to picture myself floating up with like every breathe, but i'm in a loft bed laying down, and there isn't that much space between me and the ceiling, so does that have something to do with it? should i try sitting in a chair instead? I mean, i don't know what to do, i kind of sometimes feel like, or become aware that i have like another hand inside of my real hand? But i try to pull it out, but then like, i just end up raising my normal hand, and then i wake up! Wow, this is extremely frustrating, does anyone have any tips or advice, OR ANYTHING? please help! I am looking for peace, but i can't find any, because i can't project! haha, well, please respond! THANK YOU GUYS, i HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL SOON!

tony