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I had quite a wide range of experiences last night... once again i woke up (ie went lucid) again but this time my awareness was about 95%..about the highest yet, allthough still not the full 100% which makes a BIG difference!

I was able to control my enviroment to a much greater degree this time... eg it was too dark outside so I made the sun come out and so on.. even although i seemed to be in the RTZ i tend to focus away from it slightly so I can modify certain features... you have to be careful doing that however, in case you fade out of it completly.

This happened.. my awareness dropped and the next thing I appeared on a hill somewhere and hey...another one of those guys I seem to know but cant remember from where turned up!

As i tried to remember where I knew him from I noticed his face changing.. he turned into one of my mates, Brian, so i said 'hey Brian', and the guy smiled.. but i felt this wasnt him as I figured out that what was going on was that since I was mentally going through a list of who this person might be, my perception of his face was changing to match... so now any liklihood of me seeing his 'actual' face was lost... the way he appeared the first time i saw him was the most accurate since i didnt have any expectations at that point.. only afterwards.. so a handy lesson there about allowing your perception to colour your experiences.


Anyway, this guy obviously realised i started having problems because right away he produced a bag of sweets and offered me one, which i thought was a really bizarre act.. i took one and he seemed happy but then a thought entered my mind about pervs who offer sweets to kids.. right away his demeaner altered and he turned really sleezy! (i know, my warped mind!)
at this point i ended the experience as I realised my control was out the window.

It was only afterwards that i remembered that a common tactic when coming across confused individuals in the 'astral', is to offer them sweets, a drink or whatever, in order to establish some kind of friendly dialogue..
however i never thought that this tactic would end up being used on me!!

Anyway.. it appears that the tactic backfired on this occasions due to my awareness level.. once again, waking up from dream level awareness shows its limitations!

Doug

Hi Redcatherine_

I will certainly look out for this next time I appear there and let you know (i will remember to remember about it, if you know what i mean), however this might not be right away as I cant really control my visits there right now, it kind of happens at random (or thats how it appears at least).. I will get back to you next time I'm there!

Doug

redcatherine_

Yeah.. the painting kind of reminds me of that region, although perhaps a little more 'wild' than that but along similar lines.

My dad is still around but perhaps it was my dad from a previous life, or perhaps the person had a kind of paternal radience which I picked up on.. as i say, i was sure i knew these people but i just couldnt rememeber from where!

Yes, im sure it was some kind of 'class' although i dont recall 'lessons' at at all, but  the 'dream school' scenario, as they call it doesnt sound out of place for this area and what i experienced. A park setting of green hills i bang on what I experienced, although there is always a wonderful golden 'sunset' effect going on when I'm there.

Doug

An Indian scientist has conducted research over many countries, including India and the US, which strongly indicates that animals become agitated before such an event.

This has long been known in the traditions of many countries and in China animals have long been used as 'early warning systems' and for this reason the scientist is suggesting that teaching local people about animal behaviour could prove a much more effective 'early warning system' than millions of bucks worth of electronics.. these animal methods have been used for thousands of years and they should not be automatically dismissed.

It seems that animals do have a 'sixth sense' or rather, their hearing and tactile senses are far greater than ours (also four feet on the ground rather than our two!), so it is likely that they can hear/feel changes in vibrations in the ground and in the air and perhaps smell sulphur and other factors.. way before we dullards become aware that anything's wrong... since animals are hardwired to be aware of these things.. they have been around longer than us, they know right away to run like f**k...

The only  problem is that in the report the 'early warning system' was variable.. in some cases the animals became agitated several hours before...which is plenty of time for us and them to escape.. but in other cases it was a couple of minutes... which is hardly any good!!!!! (although possbily enough time for them to get away, leaving us to kiss our asses).

Doug

this whole issue highlights the (sometimes) blinkered view of the scientific community in which funding issues and peer pressure often restrict research enquiries.

I agree that 90% of 'ufo' reports can be explained as mistaken natural phenomena, hoaxes, whackos contacting 'zetans' etc.

However this leaves a hardcore 10% which cannot be expained, however because of the bad reputation of the 90% scientists just dismiss ALL reports and dont even bother to look at the high quality 10% at all, a move which is hardly scientific.

The usual answer to this is 'oh well the remaining 10% would also be explained if there was additional information available'.
This line usually means that the scientist or individual in question has not even bothered to look at these cases and is an assumption, not science.

The idea that the 10% high grade cases 'could also be explained if additional information was available' sounds reasonable but actually falls apart when applied to the remaining 10%.. some of these cases are quite extrordinary, with plenty of good evidence behind them, so the line that' there has never been good evidence' is also wrong, it is just another example of refusing to even look at these cases.

We have good case of unidentified vehicles operating at speeds and performing maneuvers which are assumed impossible for man-made craft today. There are a good number of cases on record where we have multiple unconnected eyewitness testemony over a wide area, backed up by radar confirmation, and in some cases by tracking cameras on onboard airforce planes sent to intercept these vehicles. The 1989 Belgian UFO flap was one good example, where the Belgian airforce was sent to repeatably intercept these vehicles, always without success... the vehicles are recorded on radar as well as the planes flight cameras and tracking system.
The radar info shows inpossible actions like speeds of 20,000 mph, followed by dead stops or right turns, all of which baffled aircraft engineers.

The Mexico City flaps also have good eyewitness accounts coupled with radar confimations and fighter plane lock-ons, with one Mexican airforce plane vanishing in one such incident 5 years ago.

I can't help but feel that one of the scientists who complied this report might have actually *read* some of these reports for the first time, rather than just making assumptions about them.. hense his 'oh there might actually be something in this' routine... It remains to be seen however if others in the community have the balls to at least read any of these reports or instead just waste millions of dollars on useless seti projects, continue with assumptions and  their 'if there are aliens, why arnt they here?' routines... perhaps the answer has been staring them in the face for years but no-one has the balls to research it properly.

Douglas

PS I would justl like to add an important point:
In my view there is plenty of evidence for advanced vehicles performing 'impossible' actions from standard physics' perspective, and if scientists actually bothered to check these high quality cases they would find a good body of evidence over many years.
Now, this leads on to  the next question: what are they and where are they from? People automatically assume 'aliens'. Now this may be a possibility. however it could be some kind of radically advanced experimental human craft.. however, the actions performed by many of these vehicles rules out such a possibility imo as even if military research is 10 years down the line from public research, there is no way as far as I know, that we can build craft capable of such maneuvers...
other possiblities inlcude visitors from alternate universes, with the alternate universe theory already being discussed by some scientists. Another idea might be time travellers..

The vehicles are certainly that... vehicles.. they show up on radar so they are physical, they give out heat signatures, as aircraft tracking systems 'lock' onto them.. they are intelligently controlled since they 'buzz' aircraft and perform other spectacular but controlled maneuvers, allbeit often in a way which is impossible according to modern standard physics..
In some cases they leave radioactive traces, in many cases landing sites have shown very high level radiation traces, in a famous US case, a woman developed severe radiation sickness and burns after a flyover by one such craft.. interestingly the diamond shaped craft was followed at close range by US army helicopters.. she later tried to get info from the army about this but was told that they knew nothing about it..
Medical examiners have confirmed that she has been exposed to seriously high levels of radiation, later resulting in cancer.

Personally I dont buy the 'man-made' hypothosis and I am more inclined to think that 'ETs' are actually a lot more straighforward an explanation.. although 'alternate universe' visitors might also be a possibility. We need more proper research on these and new cases.

Think and hear for yourself, disentangle and detach from spiritual co-dependency, and know that Kingdom of God is within you.


hehe, I agree: the first part is great but you can ditch the last bit..the last bit is sooooooo 'loaded' that if you want to do what you suggest in the first part of the sentence, you should drop the last segment!

Doug

pretty sure it is a tattoo.

can be worn by both sexes but I believe it is more common in indian women nowadays as a form of beauty spot.

Douglas

I think the problem with api is that the whole project is good for those who have a high degree of control over thier ap experience and are already skilled..
which unfortunatly cuts down those who can participate to a small number!
The rest enjoy reading about it though and hope they can get there some day!
Birm_ I think you mentioned that the island is not only being used by ap members now but people from other astral realms now hang out there?
This shows that the island now has a life of its own despite us.. indeed 'other islands' are now sprouting up.. although possibly as a result everyone's different perception of the location.

Douglas

Hey Birm_ Apologies if the info I posted was out of date.

Cheers,
Dougie

He is... 'Brahman' means 'the all', everything that is.. in Hindu teaching everything arises out of this first cause and is part of it, including us and all the gods.

Brahman is sometimes personified as a figure as you describe. the chief god from where all other gods and mortals spring..

However, it is not as simple as saying that Brahman is the 'all' with no sentient awareness in its own right... that is certainly one interpretation.. however, there are other interpretations that show Brahman being somehow aware in its own right... hense its use of images to relate to it.

One thing that comes as a bit of a suprise to many outsiders (like me) is that it is a bit of a sweeping statement and umbrella term to talk about 'hindu religion' as that term actually encompasses a whole variety of differing philosophies interpretations.

My own view of 'standard' hindu religion is that Brahman is the 'all' out of which we all emerge. but that Brahman is also sentient himself in some way (a kind of panENtheistic notion rather than just pantheistic).... he/it is represented via his image.. but that he created other aspects of himself that are all the various other gods of the pantheon (as well as us)... however, while they are aspects of him just as we are, they also have thier own independance, just as we do.
So all the gods and goddesses of the hindu pantheon, while being aspects of Brahman are also sentient in their own right and can help you out, they take responsiblity for various facets of the world.

Douglas

PS it has been a while since i first posted that question about buddhism, but over time i have gravitated more towards looking at hindu philosophy out of interests sake.

good account upstream, thanks for that!

Frank & Nay, was that a joke or did you actually manage a shared experience?

Douglas

PS I am always impressed by shared experiences as these would go a long way to convincing people *here* as to the reality of these experiences.. unfortunatly, the subjective nature of it makes such 'objective' verifications very difficult.. hense the dismissal by sceptics, including scientists.
I like scientists and am in fact a big fan of science as they have done much to help us understand the physical and to manipulate it (although not always positivly of course)... I wouldnt be typing on this keyboard without it.. but imo scientists should stick to what they are good at.. which is learning, understanding and manipulating the physical world.. one of the biggest lessons i learned a while back was that scentific methods, based as they are on objective interpretation methods, are fine (and indeed essential imo) for the physical but absolutly useless for anything beyond that.

But for this reason, I am not overly hopefull that the majority of the population will ever be convinced.. but perhaps thats how its meant to work.. the majority carries on as usual and every so often individuals decide to drop out of it as it were.. but everyone else goes on regardless.
Perhaps actually getting to the point where you go against the grain of everyone else and 'twig on' to how it works is an essential part of the learning curve.

Im not sure if this sensation is related to 'kundalini' energy in any way.. it is a tickling wave that gives a kind of squirming tickling sensation that makes you chuckle!
it goes in a wave up the spine, but particularly from the mid region upwards.

I don't do any energy work at all, I don't practice yoga.. I am involved with 'phasing' (monroe term) a form of astral exploration, but this doesnt require any kind of energy work or knowledge thereof.. I found this particular sensation purely by accident.. also I am suprised by how easy it is to bring on.. even sitting here typing this i can focus on that region of my spine and bring on the start of that sensation.

Cheers,
Douglas

Hi:

I don't really do much in the way of energy work (although i wake up with vibes now and again), but I did stumble on an interesting sensation:

What I do is concentrate on the length of my spine and imagine energy coursing up it, from the base up to the back of my head..
When i do this i start to feel a ticking sensation that develops into a wave that goes up my spine.. it is a tickling sensation that comes in waves and the sensation makes me laugh... literely!!! I find this great fun!
At the same time i feel the beginnings of a kind of pressure around the top of my head (the crown chakra?).

I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced something similar to this or knows what is going on.. also what would happen next if I went further with it.

Cheers,
Douglas

Tayesin_

Thanks for the list Tayesin, but i'm afraid i 'dont find them very convincing, they are all quite generic , in fact i have had some or all of them at some point...

in fact if you want my honest opnion it sounds like a typical teen angst list... i used to get all that and more!

Dougie

Don't worry Iank, i had the same problem after living in Nottinghamshire for a while.. you need to move up to Scotland like me.. then you will feel much better  

Then you will be more than worthy to AP!

Douglas

Certainly you don't need 'math' in order to phase, in the monroe sense of the word!

You just need to focus away from the physical and into the mental- the imagination... then step into it... the skill is learning to do this without losing your awareness.

Douglas

Thanks Adrian, a happy new year to you as well!  

I look forward to all the additions to the site.

I would just like to say that out of all the obe/astral related websites and forums out there, this one is without doubt the best, due both to the dedication of the people who run it, and some of the top quality input of those who participate in it. for this reason i have been glued to this site since 2001.

Of course there can be problems from time to time, but this site still exceeds all other related ones by *far!*

I wish everyone on the forums a great new year and I look forward to all the fun in the weeks and months ahead!

Douglas

people keep saying 'well you cant know either way'.

All I would say is instead of reading all about '2012' and 'demon wars' on dodgy websites and dubious 'researched' books... go and look at the *facts' ie look at what reputable archaeologists and historians have to say about the mayan calender, what it actualy refers to and what it doesnt...
You may be in for a slight letdown with regards to your apocalypse fantasies.. You see, I am one of the few who actually bothered to look into the reality of it.. and its not overly exciting... so yes, i can quite happily say that nothing is going to 'happen'...

I'm not going to bore you with the actual facts of the Mayan calender as its something you should read about yourself and those who are actualy interested will find out.. all those who base their info on dodgy websites and books are not going to be convinced so there is not much point as far as they are concerned!

In the end they will learn the hard way, as has happened so often in the past! But by then the 'apocalypse' torch will have passed to a new generation with an all new date to worry/fantasise about.

Douglas

Amen  to that, as they say... by the way Tayesin_

What is the deal with Indonesia anyway? its officially a muslim country but not an islamic state like the middle east is?

I was always told that it was a 'muslim democracy' (one of only 2 or 3)and is sometimes used to show that islam CAN be compatible with democracy..

The problem i have with that is that the other main country that is touted this way, Turkey, although on the surface a democracy, is actually run by the military... the governmet and parliament basically go along with what the army guys want...

I wonder if Indonesia is the same?

In which case with islamic countries you've got two extremes.. either fundamentalist islamic states rule through sharia law.... or pretend democracies run by a secular military... either extreme is bad..

What about Malaysia... is that muslim too? I'm sure they are a 3rd 'democratic muslim' nation but they are democratic for real..
correct me on any of these issues... im not sure and interested to know..

Cheers,
Douglas

hard-hit Muslim communities in Bangladesh and Somalia, Indonesia and southern Thailand.


Just though I'd point out that not all the above countries are muslim..

Actually with regards to the Asian disaster, out of the countries mainly affected, Thailand, Sri-lanka, India, Indonesia,  it is only indonesia which is muslim, and moderate muslims at that (small fanatical groups aside)... all the others are Buddhist or Hindu.

Just thought i would be nitpicky, just for the hell of it...
its important though as Bush is talking about how the US is 'helping the muslim world affected'.. but only one of the countries affected is actually an officially muslim country (aside from the african nations also effected to a lessor extent, eg Kenya)...

On a positive note.. the US is helping and so is everyone else.. which has to count for something!

Douglas

all very interesting, but i think we need to focus on the human casulties here and the prevention of more, rather than nice stories about all the fluffy animal escaping. *Get donating people if you can!!!*

Douglas

Yes, Just doing the rounds to encourage everyone to give what they can to the
Asia quake appeal.. dosent matter how much or how little.. I donated online
via the OXFAM website but if you dont have a card you could even go along to
your local oxfam shop, or any other charity involved with the flood relief
operation.

The OXFAM Asia disaster donation site can be reached by going to
www.oxfam.org.uk

(or www.oxfam.org for the rest of the world)


Cheers,
Douglas

Just doing the rounds to encourage everyone to give what they can to the
Asia quake appeal.. dosent matter how much or how little.. I donated online
via the OXFAM website but if you dont have a card you could even go along to
your local oxfam shop, or any other charity involved with the flood relief
operation.

The OXFAM Asia disaster donation site can be reached by going to
www.oxfam.org


Cheers,
Douglas

I'm afraid it doesnt have any 'religious meaning' by itself.. of course people are free to interpret this region of consciousness via whatever religious beliefs they have, or via none.

Whatever yanks your chain.

Douglas

PS the 'seven planes thing' is also just one 'interpretation' of the areas of consciousness beyond the physical.. and there are many other interpretations out there.

The issue here isn't personal tastes or preferences, its about what is truth and what is falsehood

It is the above line which highlights the whole problem about 'one path' religions. Why should I believe you or the Quoran or the Bible or any other text when it lists what is 'true' and what is 'falsehood'?

Islam is not the 'religion of proofs' neither is any other religion.. they are all perfectly logical on their own grounds but that is because each religion makes up its own rules so they are all very logical within themselves.. islam is very logical too, but you have to remember none of these religions are logical *outside* of their own self-built rules.

This is what theology is all about, arguing which set of rules is more logical for any given hypothetical (divine) scenario, and modifiyng that scenario if required. Thats why i don't really have much time for theologans, since they are very good at arguing which hypothetical scenario is the most logical, which is all well and good but at the end of the day it isnt any more than that.. a hypothetical scenario... logic games are all very clever and interesting (some of them are works of genius!) but this doesnt mean that the person who came up with the idea actually has any more idea of the *reality* of the 'divine world' than me or anyone else... its all theoretical logic games, fine for the campus but thats about it.

Your *proofs* are provided due to the fact that if you start of with a basic premise, you can then bring in all kinds of non-related evidence and facts and mould them in to justify your beliefs.. all the 'evidence' you come up with can also be used by someone else for their own quite different ends.

You may be frustrated that you can't convince people, like me, but at the end of the day you'r just going to have to accept it, and don't ever try to say that 'convincing' people by force is ever sanctioned because it isnt.