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Are you having trouble achieving an exit? Are you not sure if you are getting relaxed enough? Maybe you feel that you are SO close to an exit but just can't get there? You read about "exit sensations", but don't know what to do with the sensations you do feel? You can't remember or maintain the experience longer than a minute or even a few seconds? Simply put, tell us where you think that you are getting "stuck" in the process and we will help you to find a solution. Your support team consists of members who are experienced with most methods for reaching the Out Of Body state or a proper Non-Physical state of consciousness.

Whether you started with a book by one of the four Roberts (Monroe, Bruce, Peterson, Waggoner) or William Buhlman or Kurt Leland or Frank Kepple, or if you even discovered OBE's naturally and on your own, we can draw from multiple disciplines to assist you. We also understand that there can be many unforeseen obstacles to this process which can cause frustration; mostly because we have been there as well, just the same as you.

So, if you have been reading, if you have been lurking, then we invite you to step out of the shadows and help us to help you- Give us some brief information about yourself: What are you trying to achieve and why? -Is it a spiritual goal of helping, or visiting a deceased loved one, or are you just looking for adventure? (These are all perfectly valid reasons) And where do you think you are getting stuck in the process?

Your support team awaits!

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A sad fact may be that you (Lumaza) and I think too much alike. I clicked on your thread, then without reading your post, referred to the OP.
I thought the same thing...

It may have been a subliminal idea that the OP was unaware of. More NP humor??? Either way, we are headed for Christmas.

Quite an interesting and mystifying experience Nameless!

Parts of it make me think Retrieval, other parts Retrieval/Simulation/Test, the narrative however points towards a very sad whodunnit? murder mystery.

It is small surprise that many nights we are unconsciously languishing about the RTZ. In this case, something kicked your awareness into top gear; just that fact points to something significant going on. The multiple re-do's point to a Simulation, but maybe not...maybe it was to get your awareness solidly focused on the 'magic marker' 'writing on the wall'...you didn't have time to finish reading (that sounds like a Simulation-they never give me time to complete a thought, Lol...then the shove...I could read that as Simulation or as 'very serious we need you now!'...

What was your intuitive read by this point?

We have both had significant experiences during nights when we couldn't sleep, felt various discomforts...this kind of toss and turn night is in itself conducive to wild experiences. It could be a chicken or egg dilemma...which came first? The experience or you waking up feeling ill?

I tend to think that with your history of experiences, the event happened first and your waking up feeling ill puts it into the whodunnit? category.

Another fact that may confirm my feeling is that you wrote "I don't know what to call this. It was not a dream."

You already have a broad range of experiences...if you could not immediately put it into a known category, then I think it is likely something new, maybe in this case, very new.

Have you considered, or tried going back into trance and asking for clarification or more information on the matter?

Hope that helps some,
EV

I like the suggestion DancingBear made about waking in the middle of the night and practicing either a meditation or an exit technique. This is what I was getting at about varying the timing of your attempts and seeing if that didn't allow you to move deeper or notice any different qualities within your energy sensations. This is also known as the WBTB Wake, Back To Bed technique and involves getting about 2-3 hours sleep so that the initial one or two deep, Delta NREM sleep periods are allowed then a waking period of 30 minutes to an hour before going back to meditate, you try a technique or simply observe yourself as you slide back into sleep. The connection between the physical body and the awareness is much weaker at this point.

If you are already noticing random, fragmented thoughts, energy movements and colors behind the eyes then this is a great indication that this may work for you. I really need to do a sticky on this apparently normal hypnogogic progression into sleep, Lol.

The progression of hypnogogia goes approximately like this: Continued relaxation; fragmented, random thoughts; continued disconnection from physical body sensations; flashes of color; possibly some variety of auditory hallucinations; disjointed static pictures (often first in black/white); noticeable complete disconnection mentally from the physical; short, choppy fragments of visuals that gradually increase in length and color and vividness; longer, more complete visuals in HD that take on a life of their own...at this point you can let the visual develop and strengthen and begin trying to mentally 'step into' the scene...at some point you will 'phase' into the scene...this can be considered phasing into a Lucid Dream or somewhere in the Astral; decide for yourself when you get there.

This whole sequence requires a strong degree of being the 'detached and unemotional observer'...which you already sound like you have a good idea of; otherwise, you risk getting too excited or too involved too early and the sequence crashes; if so, then start over.

The idea of being aware of your energy body while still in your physical is normal and a good sign of awareness. It's progress and yes, it leaves you wondering at first, if you can really trust your senses. In point of fact, this is likely a new sense that you are learning; a sense that actually belongs to your energy body. Congratulations, this is one of many new senses you are going to slowly realize. Just wait until you are finally out of body and then maybe momentarily be aware of simultaneous perspectives from both bodies! That is the double perspective. Then at some point, you may experience witnessing both perspectives from even a third perspective; that is the triple! And if you're lucky, you might experience your awareness bouncing back and forth between all three and then get the balanced perspective. Yeah, that shakes things up, Lol!

Again, you are making great progress and getting close. Don't get too preoccupied with any of the details and trust your intuition and go with the flow.

Honestly, for myself and what I have read of others' experiences, the process at this point can slow down to what feels like you are only making an inch of progress with each session. It still is progress and it was extremely frustrating for me but I found there were still certain very subtle issues that needed attention. It's impossible for me to say what your issues may be, but it's safe to say there are a few ideas we can explore that seem pretty common.

Some subtle fear issues can still be there, but if you feel you're still making progress each time then that may indicate that you are slowly working through any fear and doubt issues which may linger. One process that I find can greatly help with this is to add in a daily/nightly affirmation.

"I ask for permission and give myself permission to have an out of body experience. I want to do this and know that I am safe and protected."

Say it with meaning every morning and evening for a week or two. This inner communication is subtle yet very powerful for many people.

Another aspect to consider is an honest appraisal of just how relaxed a state you are achieving. If you are really getting energy sensations then you are probably deep enough; but maybe you play around with the timing of your sessions and possibly find a still deeper state. This has always been an important issue and a difficulty for me: The timing of it and then determining the feel of just what particular energy sensations are actually moving me toward an OBE. It's like spinning the dial on a combination lock and sensitively feeling for the activation of the tumblers mechanism. In my case, I really need to be on the edge of sleep in order to relinquish control.

Finally, there is the consideration of just what exit technique is going to work for you and that becomes a truly personal search. Kinesthetic, visual or auditory. I tried visual walkthroughs- nothing. When energy movement sensations occurred, I had difficulty following them through to exit. When vibrations happened, I couldn't make that work. It wasn't until I had a rough night with indigestion and had to prop myself up in bed to find enough relief to drop off into sleep. That time, I was able to watch myself fall asleep and follow the hypnogogic progression of images until i found myself riding a bobsled down a snowy hill. This taught me the importance of adding rhythmic movement to a visual, thus the Rundown, such as Selski's excellent Trampoline Rundown. The visual took on a life of its own and I was literally dumped into a Wake Induced Lucid Dream. From there I phased back to my Physical and experienced a true Mind Awake Body Asleep State. Then I floated out in RTZ/Etheric fashion, then back in followed by a Phasing exit. It was a quite instructive experience.

So, my point is to choose an exit technique but stay open to whatever other sensations may occur, and be ready to adjust and follow them...be as open as possible.

Hope that gives some additional ideas.

Okay, now your question becomes a little more clear.

So, it appears that you had some dreaming imagery while you felt that your Physical body was still awake. I remember that when it occurred for me and it caused a small amount of disorientation for me at first; just where, exactly, was my awareness focused at this point? I think this was a positive step forward for you; you just need to find some context for it.

My current 'provisional thinking' is this: Even while you are Physically focused and aware, you still have instant availability/access to your higher energy bodies; you don't have to project to have access to them. Learning this is part of our development. Somewhere in there lies your intuition, somewhere else lies access to your dreams and subconscious. Leland makes the point that the astral body IS the subconscious. I'm not completely sure about that but it certainly seems to have a 'close' relationship to the subconscious.

So, when you lay down and start getting hypnogogia...this is showing you that your 'flexibility of awareness' is increasing. This begins with little fragments of images/feelings/knowings. It eventually increases in both duration and depth; you get 'dreamlettes' or short fragments of dreams. This, I think, is teaching us a certain dexterity in allowing our awareness to move around some of these energetic bodies/perspectives. Dealing with Sleep Paralysis is like taking the crash course in learning some of this!

Taken to more extreme lengths, you can have what Lumaza describes as his Phase/Soak sessions, the closest I have gotten to it is taking a shower and being overcome for a few seconds with a 'waterfall vision'. Keeping your balance in the shower becomes a little tricky...lol.

Maybe that gives some ideas.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your question or maybe you could re-state it. It's a good question and it does involve an exploration of different possible answers.

IMO, dreams are OBEs in the sense that they involve shifting our focus from the Physical Reality (PR) to the Non-Physical (NP). I know that you already get that, I'm just starting from a basic given premise. Dreams don't necessarily involve a sensation of 'leaving the body'. If you had the experience of shifting between various levels of PR and dream awareness, then this was likely a teaching experience to demonstrate those various shifts in awareness, and what they feel like...a very cool experience. Experiences like that one are really great, but as many questions as they seem to answer, they also introduce new questions...it's a wonderful process but also a bit frustrating, lol.

This discussion is a good one but it runs the possibility of getting too much into the weeds (details) or running the car into a ditch needlessly (and metaphorically). It is a good example of getting lost in naming and labeling and needing to categorize everything we experience. I ran into this problem with my own experiences which had multiplied over a number of years and was proving quite frustrating for me. Finally, I just gave up and I put some of them into a general category of "experiences" until the proper answer provided itself, if and whenever it does.

Personally, I agree with the idea that we are switching our focus from the Physical to various 'energetic bodies', the etheric/astral/mental etcetera. At least in the initial stages...Without a doubt, the majority of early OBE experiencers report what we call etheric or RTZ OBEs. These are commonly stumbling/fumbling attempts to wander around our supposed bedroom or house or local neighborhood. In my own experience and from what I have read, the etheric IS closely linked to our Physical body, so this in fact, limits its range of mobility; if we move too far away we lose awareness. Given time and more experiences, we naturally move our focus into the astral body and the NP opens up considerably for us. The astral is where our dreams occur, initially in a personal sense and later, in a wider community sense. With further development, we move into the mental and then higher bodies...

But at some point, we begin to lose the idea of 'leaving the Physical body'; the focus shifts just happen much more naturally, much more from a simple consciousness basis. Monroe described this in his second book, but I don't think he gave enough time and attention to what was happening. You no longer move into the etheric, you bypass that completely. For a few years I did get experiences of both, but now I can't remember my last etheric exit; I would have to refer to my journal. Now, I look for 'portals' but I realize that even that is a convenience, a contrivance...I don't really even need it...just make the shift. Somebody like Szaxx can't even remember having an etheric/RTZ  experience; in his case, I wouldn't be surprised...his earliest experiences likely took place in the astral or the mental planes.

Again, I want to stress that these are just labels; comfortable descriptions for me to describe what kind of experiences I am having in relation to experiences that you or others may be having. When the time comes to drop these labels, I will be happy to do that; but for now, we do need SOME system of agreeable description to share. And the hybrid system of Chakras/Energy Bodies that the 19th century Theosophists adopted (despite the needless intellectual complexity that they promulgated  ) seems to describe the process pretty well...at least for now, lol.

So, honestly, rather than fussing around trying to fit my experiences into the proper categories, I just concentrate on having more of them. I will sort them out later!

One final question on visualization-Have you ever had a daydream?

There are other methods to consider as has just been suggested. The most common OBE exit sensations are not visual, but rather kinesthetic or tactile: Sensations of floating, sinking, rolling or swaying, any kind of movement up or down or side to side, front to back, especially coupled with a rhythmic sense; also vibrations. These sensations are often triggered during any form of induction technique. At the same time, audible sensations often occur such as the train roar, the hurricane roar, the helicopter roar or high pitched buzzing. None of these descriptions is exact to what is occurring, they are just the immediate associations our individual awareness makes to explain the sudden sensations as our awareness slowly disassociates from primary Physical Reality focus. For me they have been different nearly every time. Whatever sensation you get, just go with it and allow it to increase or change as far as you can follow it.

So your induction method may to be simply to get comfortable and relax as deeply as possible while observing the blackness or swirling colors behind your closed eyes. For me, this is greatly dependent on how tired my body is versus my consciousness, thus I prefer a middle of the night or early morning Wake Back To Bed technique. If the ratio of body/awareness relaxation is correct, in about twenty minutes you should perceive some kind of change- if not visually, then maybe kinesthetically or audibly. Let it develop as far as you can and follow the transitions.

Hope that helps.

Sorry about your loss friend. Lost my dad 8 years ago.

It hurts for awhile for very good reasons.

Comforting wishes to you and your family,
EV

Like Lumaza wrote, you did really well in this experience.

Many of us have been in almost exactly the same situation. Your considerations and conclusions may need a little adjustment, but your natural reactions were nearly perfect. Well done!

The Sleep Paralysis (SP) and your awareness hitting a certain peak while you are still focused largely in your Physical body often results in some predictable, yet difficult sensations. Feeling trapped, the malevolent presence, the feeling of entities around you, a feeling of dread, chest pressure, breathing difficulties...these are all symptoms of a kind of energetic biofeedback going on that once you exit and move a certain distance away from your Physical, all these sensations tend to dissipate and lose effect.

It may, in fact, be a kind of biological/energetic default programming, an entirely natural defense mechanism designed to keep you focused within the physical body. I've never read of a satisfactory or more complete explanation, this is just my current thinking. Go on Wikipedia and search SP or the Night Hag and you will read of accounts from nearly every culture on the planet. What keeps me entertained about the phenomenon is that it draws details directly from your subconscious, so it really knows just how to freak you out specifically...what fun! I still get caught out from it from time to time.

So no, I don't think you are dealing with any local bothersome entities...although it sure can feel that way at times, Lol. I give it 1% possibility. Like Lumaza wrote, these are Fear Tests, and they won't be the first or the last. They send in pop quizzes from time to time. Then there are the Sexual Urge tests...all designed to test your emotional control, before you are allowed to wander farther around the Wider Reality. Then you get Excitement Tests, and Distraction Tests and on and on... it's all quite frustrating, wonderful and the ultimate teaching method! Looking back on your childhood dreams and experiences will now show you that the testing was going on all the time. That is a big realization all in itself!

Nicely done and welcome to a whole new world!

EV

MDH is The Multidimensional Human, another great book by Leland and a follow-up to Otherwhere. Highly recommended.

I recently finished a several-day, group exercise that taught me a significant idea: that despite the fact that all twenty of us were all 'seekers' within a common NP context, we were twenty people approaching the subject from differing perspectives, different enough that our individual interpretations of each shared experience was still somehow different and debateable...we still had room to agree and disagree on certain aspects. Through a series of specific sessions, many of us came away with differing experiences, and somewhat differing conclusions.

I say this in order to suggest and reinforce the idea that this is, in fact what appears to be, the idea that many ideas and perspectives can and do co-exist within our continuum; this allows for you to develop and for me to develop, and for endless others...despite the apparent surface disagreements, Lol. The disagreements, in fact, don't really mean too much...

It's still too physical a thought to think that billions of human thoughts/dreaming are taking up too much frequency...it apparently isn't a problem.

The beauty of it is that it's all allowed.

I really enjoy Leland. MDH takes it to the next level.

Hi kuurt,

1- This is thinking from too much of a Physical perspective. There is no Time, no Space...these are PR concepts/constructs that we accept as part of functioning within a Physical Reality. Dreams apparently take up no 'room' to speak of. Part of our challenge as Humans wanting to learn more about Non-Physical Reality is remembering to drop the PR perspective and be open to something else.

2- I'm not sure of all the characteristics relating to shared dreams. I've had a few, but they were more like 'experiences', something better than dreams. Maybe it relates to sharing an agreed-upon frequency or an Intent? Without either of these pre-agreed components, a seemingly coincidental shared exp would certainly point towards outside influences, and imo something important.

3- "Keeping billions of dreamers in the Dream Zone." Geez, that would be like herding a billion cats...I think that is also too Physical a way of looking at it. I am still not sure on this but there do appear to be clear lines of demarcation within this part of the NP. Just how they maintain barriers or divisions, I simply do not know, but the barriers seem to be there. One rule appears to be that, until you display a certain degree of emotional control, they keep you within the Dream Zone until you can progress through various tests. Another rule may be that certain areas are restricted unless you express a true desire and need to know something. In my case, this was an expressed desire to visit and check in on my recently deceased father. I didn't accomplish the trip myself; I was clearly 'escorted' to see him and the experience was short and rather 'foggy'...but I was thankful for the experience; and I got a first look at who may be my personal Guide. He has continued to show up from time to time.

Just in the last few years, I am coming to a point where I am recognizing a kind of geographical or navigational relationship between the various areas of the Personal Dream Zone, the Training Zones and the Afterlife Zone...I haven't yet recognized Leland's Alternate 'Is' or 'Will Be' Zones, but some of his training and simulation exercises are spot-on, exactly what I have experienced. My Fieldtrip experience was exactly what he described as being placed within an alien consciousness to experience aspects of his life. That is supposed to be followed eventually by placement within a human's mind, which is perfectly described by Astral Zombie within that same story (haven't done it myself, as far as I remember). Leland further describes being placed within the mind of a great human creative mind- a composer, an artist, etc...haven't had that exp yet either. In my Talking to the Hand experience, this perfectly parallels Leland's description of the Initiation exercise that demonstrates mastery of the 10 Dream Levels. I only realized that some six months later. So for me, Leland is perfectly describing the road ahead, at least for this moment in time...in PR, Lol.

I am a huge fan of Leland and I hope you are enjoying Otherwhere. If you like that book, then Multidimensional Human will help you in immeasurable ways with your continuing experiences.

EV

I'm still working on this question myself and can only offer ideas from my current perspective. In my dreams and less-lucid experiences, physical conversation still seems to be occurring. Since these events are occurring within the NP, then it may be a belief-overlay that makes me mistakenly think verbal conversation is happening. In my more lucid and 'higher level' experiences, telepathy is more noticeably present. Over the last several years, my experiences appear to be transitioning more to the telepathic side.

It definitely feels like a learning and development phase for me. I think that it is a natural development process which is really cool.

A big moment for me was in my Fieldtrip experience where the telepathy was clear and relatively easy; in retrospect that may have been because I was in a higher level energy body, the Causal body as Leland refers to it; this was confirmed for me just recently. My resulting discussion about it with Szaxx resulted in this approximate description of the process: The telepathic communication comes across instantly and in the form of a 'packet of information', like a PDF.file or a download, a 'knowing'; think of a cartoon thought balloon for the simplest comparison. It can be a complete sentence, a paragraph or a book; and it can contain emotional or 'feel' content as well. You receive it and translate it in an instant. In that first instant, you realize that you have this translation ability; it's not perfect but you also know it can be developed. That is a BIG moment when you realize that you possess a completely new sense and ability.

Sending a thought is done in roughly the opposite fashion: You form the thought, include any appropriate emotional quality, add a touch of Intent and mentally 'send' it. It's an infinitely easier process if the recipient is a Guide, Instructor or higher intelligence as while you're forming the thought...well, they've probably already 'read' you by then anyway, Lol. I did this in my Back to School experience, searching someone's mind for information, unsuccessfully I thought, but upon reflection I did get the information I was seeking, so if it actually worked, then I can also say that it is an incredibly subtle process at times.

It is like learning any new skill, a bit awkward at first, but with more exposure I think that I am getting the hang of it.

Reading multiple people simultaneously in the NP doesn't bother me now; I've done it a few times. It seems like a daunting prospect but it's really another example of how beneficial it is to drop the Physical mindset and perspective. If you open yourself to these things, some of them come to you much easier than initially expected and the potential is frankly mind-blowing.

Telepathy in PR has some issues that I still haven't resolved...back to one thing at a time...Lol.

Great question!

Great topic starter Nameless!

First, limits on the range of telepathy-

I think it is a Physical Reality mindset issue; that we are initially stuck with the constraints of just how we think and process information within one reality context versus another reality context where different NP senses are more evident and operative. Time and distance are inflexible constraints here in PR, so that naturally forces a new way of thinking in the NPR, eventually.

This contrast between processing information within PR and NPR has become the most fascinating thing for me over the last few years. I have come to realize that I have been experiencing this contrast for quite awhile, it's been my basic 'disconnect' my entire life. I've only been able to put it into a better context the last few years.

Honestly, I don't get much from telepathy here in PR. I think that I get a basic kind of read on pets, children and adult's generic thinking; but it is so subtle that it is easily doubted. I really have to target the individual and this is usually someone I feel a natural resonance with. Szaxx, Lumaza, Nameless, LightBeam are some that I feel a 5-15% kind of connection with. Each of them has implied that the connection is stronger than that but that may be more indicative of their abilities as opposed to mine. IDK, maybe my ability is stronger than I suspect.

In my NP experiences, my telepathic ability has been written about here on the Pulse. In these, my telepathic ability has been noticed, developed and improved. In the NP, telepathy is apparently the standard form of communication. It's part of what Kurt Leland describes as "feel/think". It happens in near instantaneous fashion: You receive the telepathic message as a kind of "thought balloon" like in a newspaper comic. It's a complete thought, either a sentence or a lengthy paragraph, complete with emotional coloring. You receive it in an instant and translate it almost as quickly, although it can be prone to translation errors (as in my Fieldtrip experience).

Your response is formed within an instant and includes a complete picture of your message, images and feelings...and is projected/offered...like a thought balloon that you create and "push" outward toward your recipient. Intent plays a factor here.

In the NP, this process feels increasingly natural for me, although I am sometimes doubtful as to the quality. In the NP, it is much easier, but I admit there is still much to learn. In PR, I feel like I am still pre-school...lol. But sometimes the hits are amazing. It's one of the areas where my guesses still surprise me.

Welcome back!

Okay, so I took the liberty of reading back through your earlier posts and that seems to confirm my thinking on what is going on here. So I want to offer some ideas for your consideration:

-Over the last several years, you show an apparent, good, natural ability to achieve an OBE: the standard type most of us first experience, the RTZ/etheric-type or what appears to be a near-Physical Reality (PR) OBE.
-Sleep Paralysis (SP) is a common phenomenon to be aware of; it's part of the normal REM sleep cycle which we are normally unaware of; but when we become aware during SP, it is a great indicator that we are primed and ready for an OBE exit. SP does have some issues but you appear to not be distracted by those.
-It may seem strange to you that during your earlier OBEs you had no problems with your vision/sight. Now suddenly, you can't see. I went through the same issue and I have read of others having the same problem.

There is a reason this has happened- This is a test. A type of challenge; a puzzle for you to figure out the answer. It's a simple and straight-forward kind of test, designed to help you adjust your thinking about the new environment into which you have chosen to venture. It is a simple test, but one with a "fundamental" answer that you will have to remember as you move into the Non-Physical (NP) worlds.

I can even give you the answer; the trick is that YOU have to figure out just how to apply the answer the next time you are "out".

When you are in an OBE, you have no physical body. There is no physical body to step into the shower and get wet; any experience that you are somehow turning the shower on and getting wet is just the power of your imagination to fabricate your experience within that OOB environment (which is another lesson in itself). You have no physical eyes to open so any attempt to do so either activates your physical eyes, which can pull you back to the physical, or the test resets to give you another chance at figuring out the correct answer. We can argue and disagree to some extent that when you are in an OBE, you are simply consciousness or that you occupy an etheric body or an astral body or a dreaming body...decide on that for yourself. What IS true is that you are NOT in a physical body (at least for the current discussion, lol)! So there are no eyes to open! How you "see" is obviously happening through some other mechanism then physical eyes. The same can be said for your other "physical senses". In the NP, we are literally using different senses. We have them, but they need to be exercised and strengthened like anything else we possess. Some NP senses you will find, work for you naturally and easily; others will require more work.

This forces us to adjust our thinking- We have to start thinking in "Non-Physical" terms.

It's probably the realization that makes the difference, but we still have to express it somehow, and honestly, it doesn't always work the first time. I tried the William Buhlman technique, which is to ask for it or demand it. "Clarity now!" or "I want to see, now!" Didn't work for me the first time, but it did later on. This may be where the quality of INTENT comes in. Very important. To me, intent is possibly the most important quality to any effort in the NP. You can't fake it; you have to mean it. You have to be sincere. Any fakery is jeered at, if not stomped on.

So, once you get the vision figured out, you may get tested on other senses or actions, such as how you move, what is the basis of your mobility? Then you may get situational exercises or fear or sex tests. These are subtle and tricky. They utilize your subconscious and memories. It is all challenging you to develop new senses and abilities and to exercise proper control and show a certain maturity.

That should give you some ideas and maybe raise a few questions.

And don't forget to have fun!

EV

"A smallish, brown creature with quills"...and "sharp, narrow teeth"...

This reminds me distinctly of my "9 Easy Dream Triggers" experience with the Goonies critters. The precise, little twin bite marks reminds me of the feeling I had at the time of the wounds they would possibly produce had they caught and bitten me.

This is probably not a remarkable correlation; just possibly an interesting one. Reading your experience, Nameless, gives me some minor shivers...lol.

And don't even get me started on the "Red rum!  Red rum! Room 237, "Here's Johnny!" references...don't even go there! LOL!

I think that there are multiple plans at work, here on Earth. Some are physical, some are spiritual, in nature. Some plans have been introduced after the initial plans and may be at cross-purposes, thus complicating the situation for those of us who choose to be inhabitants.

Personally, my whole life, I've really not had a problem reconciling the various religious traditions along with ET involvement and what I perceive as the energetic evolution of our consciousness within these human animal constructs. The apparent genetic "missing link" of primate evolution that led to modern humans? Okay, some aliens modified us genetically...as to their ultimate purpose, I don't know...but the history seems to point at that; it's a satisfactory explanation for the "gap". It does seem to benefit the spiritual evolution part of the equation...

What has become somewhat apparent to me over the last twenty years is that MANY of these theories are possible, if not already evident to us.

Context is always important, so I will add some here. This one disturbed me a bit. It comes from a guy named Charles Fort, who spent 20 plus years back in the early 1900's at the British Museum and the New York Public Library, researching scientific reports, magazines, newspapers and periodicals on the rather bizarre aspects of contemporary reporting: UFO's (before there even were such things), fish falls, raining frogs, weird mists and spiderwebs that reached into the skies...all the strange stuff that never got followed up on. He wrote about these strange occurrences in several books, one of which was the Book of the Damned.
Keep in mind that this was before the common advent of the airplane; the majority of people really did not know what existed above and beyond the clouds. Speculation abounded as to people and even entire civilizations living above the clouds, just beyond our sight. The concept of gravity was questionable in just how far it extended beyond their practical, ground-level understanding. Many concepts that we take for granted today remained in question during their time. It is interesting to read Fort's speculations along these lines as it gives us insight into what may be presumed as a somewhat naïve and ignorant view of the world, but also a fresh and imaginative perspective, as well.

At one point in the book, Fort wonders about a distant world named Cyclorea, where the inhabitants visit Earth. But they are so far in advance of us that contact is really pointless- he asks, would we, in their place, establish diplomatic relations with farm animals?

Then he makes a statement that really struck home for me.

"I think we're property.
I should say we belong to something: That once upon a time, that this Earth was No-Man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something..."

That statement hit hard and it may be true. But then I thought about it from a higher altitude and realized that the roughly 7 billion of us on this planet probably chose to be here. Whether we are 7 billion souls or fragments or shards or splinters or whatever we are, we probably, somehow chose to be here. In that sense, this human body that we each possess, may be serving other purposes that we did not initially understand. This human body that I inhabit, that I "think" that I possess, may in fact be somebody's farm animal. I may not like that idea, but maybe that's not important. What is important is that while I am here I can make use of it for my own purposes. I can live and learn and evolve.

It makes the world a far greater place, more mystifying and even a bit frightening.

Welcome to both Karin and Plume!

We look forward to your sharing of your thoughts and insights and hope that you will find a warm and welcome home here at the Pulse!

EV (Dust)

I have read of these types of experiences and had a few of my own that were similar.

These experiences may simply be as straight-forward as they initially appear to be: a form of re-orientation to the OBE state. The reason that they are so short-lived, as when this one ended once you moved to your staircase, is that it may have simply served its purpose. It was a test and you passed it. In my own experience, at first I thought it was my inability to retain awareness as I moved from room to room. Eventually, I realized something else was happening.

It's a kind of re-orientation test, a quick one, to see if you recognize where you are; and if you are successful, as you were, then it is ended. This often leaves us wanting more and thinking that we must have missed something, but the truth is that we succeeded in recognizing everything the test was offering us and so it was ended.

In this test, you were challenged to recognize your bedroom and not be deceived or confused by the 180 reversal of your bed or other furniture. You grabbed ahold of the bed which is a good consciousness stabilizing technique and thus prolonged the experience. The fog represents your limited awareness and may be a condition imposed to keep your attention localized to the scene at hand. Hard to say. Fog shows up for me at different times and in different contexts. It may serve multiple purposes. It may reflect our present awareness or it may be a condition imposed from outside ourself.

I would say that this experience is a successful confirmation of the work and Intention you have been pursuing. Nicely done.

My computer is objecting, so forgive me...

I attempted the Monroe technique when I was 13; it was, as you described, a tech for drawing a line six feet out from my nose, then turning it upwards and backwards at a 45 degree angle, to a point about nine feet above my head...and he said to "feel" for it there...the tactile sense you mention. And sure enough, the second time I tried it, I got a response...enough of a response that I was shocked back to my physical body and the classical vibrations...which were so strong they scared the crap out of me; it felt like every atom in my body was shaking apart and breaking down. At age 13, this was a significant wake-up call. Lol.

I appreciate the added context on F10, F12 and F21 experience...that should help generally.

Third Eye and Crown Chakra and above...those are always good focus points...they only seem important in an intellectual sense until you get an experience that irrefutably places it there... then they become much more important. So many of us have already had experiences there.

Thanks for this Lumaza!

I have nothing to add except a sincere thanks to both Nameless and LightBeam for some truly insightful and enlightening thoughts.

This is good and this is the true nature of what the Pulse can be.

I will add to the congratulations, Whitelight01...that was a rewarding experience for the effort you put into it from so many levels. And that is what it takes at times and you clearly recognized the many aspects of Intent/expectation/consideration that came into play.

I will add that, from my own experiences over the last several years, an environmental or physical location change can play a large part in bringing forth a more lucid and noticeable NP experience. For me, many of my business, social trips and vacations can serve to instigate a new NP experience. It is not a guarantee, but often a new environment, new sounds, new sleep regimen...etc...just a disruption in the usual routine can offer the chance for our awareness to come aware in the NP. It is still dependent on many factors but the opportunities seem to increase during these times.

So go after them when you have the chance!

Well, sometimes we get just what we ask for; and sometimes, that can be a bit a bit shocking for us.

SACOLUCCI, I will agree with what everyone here is advising and add that this sounds like a very meaningful experience: It brought forth several messages, although maybe not the clear-cut initial communication you were asking for, but some others that may serve to expand your thinking.

The death of a family member or even someone of association can bring on something like this; it can often become transformative.

The simple fact that you had the impression that it was more than a dream; that is a strong indicator in and of itself, and a good observation on your part. This is often the first signal and a good sign that you are open to receiving more information. This recognition doesn't provide the information you were originally requesting, but is significant for other equally, if not more important, reasons: For one, the fact that you are now open to receiving this communication. And that recognition brings along a little bit of that 'fear shock', the initial realization that some form of NP communication can actually come through to you. I still have a bit of trouble sorting it out because it does come through in different ways, some of which I don't always recognize immediately, so I have difficulty categorizing them or recognizing them for what they are.

What everyone said: Lumaza, Nameless, LightBeam, baro-san...these are all excellent thoughts to consider. I will end with reinforcing what LB said-

Drop the negative thoughts and negative input from here on, it is only serving to pollute your thinking. If LB is right about your possible channeling ability, are you ready to try tapping into that again?

Okay, now here are some weeds that we can dig into, this all having to do with the nature and quality and development of consciousness- within the NP realms...

I will be one of the first, or at least one who repeats, the need from time to time, to break down and define in more basic terms these consciousness states that we are experiencing.

Lumaza and Nameless mentioned the RTZ or Real Time Zone type of NP experience. This is a relatively new 1990's? term that has become linked to what I think of as the original, classic Etheric type of OBE where you literally feel a disconnect and float out of your physical, sleeping body, like a ghost. I don't personally think that it is an accurate term, but it does convey certain aspects that could make one think that they are out-of-body and operating somewhere within the current Physical Reality context. This may be exactly correct, given an Etheric energy body theory. There are certain seemingly "physical" reminders. In an Etheric/RTZ OBE, I feel like a scuba diver (to a certain degree); I feel a certain "atmospheric" pressure and weight, a particular almost "physical" difficulty in moving around; the quality of consciousness is noticeably different from anything else. For me, Etheric/RTZ OBEs are unmistakable. The resulting environment almost always requires great effort to move beyond; doorways and windows usually result in "click-outs".

LDs may take some time for awareness to develop or increase; often they are suppressed in order for us to learn; a cool teaching environment. Phasing exits are pretty straight-forward...100%. Clean...

These quality of consciousness changes may involve the progression from the Etheric to the Astral and on to the Mental energy bodies...I don't pretend to know but the progression seems to make sense. With practice and experience there is a definite qualitative progression, although the understanding remains elusive.

Then there is that "stratospheric" level of learning that Lumaza mentions, somewhere adrift in the hypnogogia , where the music plays and the ideas abound...where Tesla, Edison, Einstein and others explored...yeah...quite honestly, that area is available to all of us every night, if we simply ask to explore it.

I am not only an observer; I am a witness.

The suicide question, I won't even deal with now. I have been forced to deal with it throughout my life and faced it myself, long ago. Compared with the tragedy around the world, it is sadly just a local effect. This is Earth and we learn to deal with it.