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I think that a better way to say this is that you don't explore the Astral World, you explore yourself through the Astral World.

How can you be so sure there wasn't a purpose? Maybe they are trying to be enlightened, trying to reach God, trying to unveil the secrets of their own existence.

There has to be a purpose, even if it is an unconscious purpose.

Some person even posted he was bored to hell having "spontaneous" OBES and didn't know what to do.

See, he has the obes but goes nowhere with them. You might have many experiences, but if you don't find a meaning for them they will get you nowhere.

What happened to the old masters? Did they just sit there and stare? Stare at what? Sit where? I believe they might have had something in mind.

I clearly stated that the chances are better when you have a plan, I'm not saying you can't obe without a plan, but I doubt you'll get something useful out of it.

It doesn't matter at what point of the experience you make the plan, you just need to make a choice. Even if you decide you want to sit and float, that's a plan. To me a person without a plan just looks around, gets confused, doesn't know where to go, snaps back into the body.

I'm trying to be as clear as I can. I've shared my techniques many times, there's nothing new about them. What I find more important than techniques, are plans.

And that's exactly what I'm saying. One way to learn this things is by having experiments like this one I'm posing here.

You can test it yourself, how many times have you been able to go out of body just by simply willing to be out of body? And how many times have you gone out of body with a very specific intent, to test something, to visit a friend or discover something?

Your chances are better when you have a plan.

How do you get an infant to walk? The baby doesn't think "Well, I'm gonna see what it feels like to walk.". You just stand away and lure him. He doesn't even think about walking, all he wants is to get closer to you.

In the same way you can't think about just going Astral, because there's nothing there if you aren't looking for something.

Maybe I don't understand what you want to know. What I'm saying is that maybe the astral world doesn't exist on it's own, it is not a destination but a path you go through to get somewhere else. Things seem to take shape as we walk and look around, and it could mean we don't really walk on a road that was previously created, but rather we perceive informations that flow through many sources and as we get in contact with these currents of data we translate them into things that we know.

THe question is more, why can't we use astral experiences to learn more about the astral world?

The problem with exploring the astral world is that the plane doesn't exist if we don't have the curiosity to explore it's particularities. It's like when you're flying and you feel that the images and the landscape are forming at the same moment that you look at them. There was nothing there before you arrived, and it's only there because you are there.

Well, I have gotten a response, it is probably wrong cause it seems too simple. What I want to know really is how similar our findings can be when we question about the unknown.

Simply just ask anyone in the astral 'What is the Linear A about?'.

Whatever you hear I'm interested to know.

It would be cool to know when and whether the results will be published.

This is a Linear A tablet from Crete, dating to about 1450 B.C. The signs were written with a sharp point into a tablet of damp clay, which later was accidentally baked in a fire which destroyed the building it was in. This script, used to write the Minoan language, has never been deciphered. Many of the signs of the Linear B script (used to write Mycenaean Greek) seem to be derived from it. This tablet is approximately life-size on your screen.

Hmm, I didn't know about that. Looked for some info and found the biography of Michael Ventris.

Sure it's fun to search, I'm not saying we're gonna discover everything about the mystery, but since the astral dimension can be a source of information it's good we try to find out how far we can go.

The information that we get is obviously suspicious and not enough to fill the demands of the scientific community. Though it can still be a valid approach.

Never heard about the Voynich manuscript, but read some things about it on the internet and it seemed to be a hoax.

There was a thread about a person who didn't know what to do when out of body, so I suggested he tried to learn things of the past civilizations and so on.

I mentioned the script called Linear A.

From wikipedia:

Linear A is an undeciphered script used in ancient Crete. Its decipherment is one of the "holy grails" of ancient scripts.

A related script, Linear B, was deciphered in the 1950s by Michael Ventris as representing an ancient form of Greek.

Though the two scripts share many of the same symbols, using the syllables associated with Linear B in Linear A writings produces words that are unrelated to any known language. This language has been dubbed Minoan or Eteocretan, and corresponds to a period in Cretan history prior to a series of invasions by Mycenean Greeks around 1400 BC.

As the Minoan language is lost to the modern day, it is unknown whether or not a given decipherment is the correct decipherment, or merely gibberish being generated by an incorrect mapping of symbols to sounds. Until further breakthroughs are made, the content of documents written in Linear A remains a mystery.

In 2001, the journal Ugarit-Forschungen, Band 32 [1] [2] published the article "The First Inscription in Punic—Vowel Differences in Linear A and B" by Jan Best, claiming to demonstrate how and why Linear A notates an archaic form of Phoenician.

Around the same time, M. Tsikritsis, a Greek computer scientist and a text analysis specialist used a statistical and machine comparison of Linear A and Linear B symbols to conclude that Linear A was an early aeolic dialect of Greek, and essentially a form of Linear B with a variety of archaisms.

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Today I had an experience in which I flew into a store full of old workmanship, and asked the seller if he knew about the Linear A script. I said that in the world where my physical body was lying no one had yet found out the meaning of that script, so I would be very glad if he could explain to me. He said 'sure', and told me what it was about.

I wonder if somebody could devote an experience to ask the same thing to an astral archeologist or something. If you could receive the same answer as me then that would mean something.


Below are some links:

http://www.nb.no/baser/schoyen/4/4.4/441.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc


If you have the chance, please test it, I think I found something.

In trance I've experienced air coming out of me from my mouth, as if I was a balloon emptying. It was a fantastic feeling, I kept blowing air for seemingly minutes, but unfortunately it happened only once.

Hypnagogia happens while one is falling asleep, and the AP happens when one is asleep. It is like stage 1 and stage 2.

When you experience hypnagogic images you still have a sense of your body, you can perceive that the images are rolling on the background of your closed eyelids. There can be some sort of interaction, but once you seep into the visions you're then technically 'phased'.

Everybody experiences hypnagogia since this is how the dreams are formed, some just don't notice.

To induce the state you need to get yourself to the border of sleep. Relax, slow down your thoughts and set yourself out to notice what's going on 'behind the curtains'.

You can also imagine things and try to see the details. Imagine you're reading a book, turning the pages, seeing pictures... try to feel it real, deep, then concentrate and read some words, what colors do you see in the pictures, what's the number on the page you're reading?

Oh that's cool man. Thanks for the nice explanation.
I'll try with the digital watch :}

PassiveFist, so if nothing exists and there is no 'you', then how do you perceive that?

Something has to be there to sense the void.

I was eating this salty cookie that is very crisp, so when I chew it breaks and crackles causing some weird effects in my vision. When I was chewing it looking to my computer screen through a mirror I noticed the screen was shaking, but  only the screen, not the monitor nor anything else.

I tried to jump to see if it was just the motion of my head but it didn't happen as noticeably as when I was chewing. I tried shaking myself vigorously and it didn't work. Tried shaking my head and it didn't work.

When I jumped I could actually see the screen shaking a few seconds after I landed and stood still. But mostly through the mirror.

When I was chewing looking straight to the screen without the use of a mirror I didn't see see it happen as noticeably.

Video cameras can capture this motion on pc screens, I believe it has to do with the refresh rate, but our eyes can't see it.

It didn't happen with the tv though.

Could it be I am seeing that same thing due to an abnormal effect the act of chewing causes to my brain? Could anyone test it and reply? Anyone can explain?

Not just past lives but also things from the past of the Earth, the past of humankind, these things attract me a lot. Try to hear the first songs ever sung on the face of the planet, the first time certain words were spoken, and if you or anyone here dares, there's this ancient script called Linear A, which is one of the greatest mysteries of the past. It's an undeciphered code found in some Cretan workmanship.

For more info:

http://www.nb.no/baser/schoyen/4/4.4/441.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc

These forums are amazing because we can share our thoughts and support each other knowing that they feel so much like us, so we can relate a lot. Sometimes it can be a drag leaving the clouds to walk on dirty streets, and we know now that there's something more. It just help us to get along.

There's an easy way to catch those wavy visual signals that follow an intense experience when one wakes up. The hypnopompic imagery.

I put a sheet of white paper on the wall by the side of my bed to write things without having to stand up, but I notice sometimes whole texts on it, and I can't quite read them, but it's fun. The surface of the paper seems like a screen for the imagery.

All the walls and ceiling here are painted white, but I only notice the imagery on the paper. I guess you'll need a certain amount of light getting into your room for you to be able to see at least the paper. The things that will appear on it have their own light.

I don't know whats the use for this, but maybe you could find one.

I've been kicked out of every school I've ever been to, 5 altogether, guess I'm going in the right direction.

Thank you for your account Gem. It's different from most stories since people usually say the deceased appear to be younger and happier in the other dimension. I believe the way we see them pretty much depends on how we feel towards them.

In this dream I had my father was bald, though he wasn't when he died.

It's very nice to hear the experiences of you people. I was amused to hear that one about being a teddy bear in a past live lol, I bet I would even consider it being true had they told me that while I was in the dream. Why do we stop believing when we wake up? eheh

Here are some other interesting things I heard in my astral experiences:

* Inspiration sets you free. (song)

* You've gotta keep the Earth on habit (song)

* Lightnings are like letters and words, and this is how the Earth communicates with the other planets. (class)

* I am the voices of the demon inside of you. I dwell in you for more than a thousand years. (tiger)

They say our spirit's consciousness can be divided into Ego (self, personality),  ID (instinct) and Superego (Higher-Self, closest to the Source). Our personality is something we acquire, we develop it during our lives. Our instincts are strictly related to the body (survival, fulfillment), so when we die we are once again our Higher-Self.

Today I had a dream of my deceased father, and I was very emotional. We hugged, I asked him if we would really meet afterwards, and he said 'Of course we will!', then he started talking about time travel. He said he could relive special moments of his life, and he gave me an impression that he could go to the future.

I asked him whether he had gone as far as to know who he was in a previous life, if there is such a thing. It turned out that he did but said 'Initially I cannot tell you', that's when he turned into a woman in a blue uniform. So I started asking those things I really wanted to know, not realizing his form had changed.

I asked what it was like to be where he was, when would I go there, what would I see, but suddenly I became dumb. My voice wasn't coming out, I was sort of paralyzed, then a man came and took him/her away, I looked at his mouth and it seemed like he would give me the answers but he couldn't move his lips.  

I felt as though those answers must be kept secret in order for me to go on with my life here. Some force would not allow me to know.

What I want to know now is whether any of you had received important answers during an astral conversation. Even if the words don't make sense but, have you received any answer at all? Things you really wanted to know.

I've never made it, but I wouldn't say it's impossible. Maybe under the right circumstances it can be done.

I'd say you can AP as long as you have a sincere desire to try something.

When I first started having many experiences was when I tried to move physical objects while in the astral. If I have no experiment to try I don't AP as often.