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Thanks Tisha... that makes sense.  I will try using as a signpost from now on.  But what do you mean give up on concentration.  From what I've read and been told concentration is a key ingedient (quoted from Robert Bruce in an e-mail).

Robert Bruce describes the sensations of the trance state quite vividly, you should read that section.  As for the rope technique, I can see how it would cause tension, because climbing a rope uses muslces.  You must remember that you are not using your bodily muscles however, it's the feeling of being pulled up, not the feeling of using muscles that you should concentrate on.

I don't know that you can fly, but I would highly consider not trying it.  There are certain governing rules here on earth, and human beings not being able to fly is a large one.  Birds can do it because they have evolved hollow bones that way very little and wings that can manipulate the wind perfectly to lift them.  I'm quite certain you have neither.  As for telekenisis, I'm not certain if that exists either.  But if it does I'm sure it lies somewhere along the lines of moving a pencil or cheerio or something... not a human being.  Anyways, to my knowledge no human has ever been able to fly.  Careful trying!

I have already recieved a message about capslock.  I didn't know it was a big deal on the internet.  As for my views on enlightenment, I think it varies for everyone.  I do think however that an enlightened person, whatever it means to them, has a general positive effect on all those around him/her.  As for the diligence subject, I think that diligence means never quiting.  You may be running around in circles trying to find something, but as long as you keep running you might catch what you are looking for out of the corner of your eye.  The only way to succeed at something is to diligently keep trying!  Thanks for the reply!

TorosDead

I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ALL VOLUNTERED TO COME TO EARTH TO LEARN THE HUMAN CONDITION.  I BELIEVE THE AFTERLIFE IS TRULY A WONDERFUL PLACE WITH NO SUFFERING OF ANY KIND, ONLY PURE KNOWLEDGE.  BUT PERHAPS WE CAME HERE TO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BY EXPERIENCING HEARTACHE AND GRIEF.  IF YOU WERE BORN ON A TROPICAL ISLAND AND LIVED IN PARADISE FOR AS LONG AS YOU COULD REMEMBER, THAT WOULD SIMPLY BE NORMAL, NOTHING SPECIAL.  BUT IF YOU THEN LEFT THAT ISLAND AND EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS, PAIN, SICKNESS, SUFFERING, GIULT.. ETC, THEN RETURNED TO THAT ISLAND AGAIN... IMAGINE HOW WONDERFULLY THANKFUL YOU WOULD BE TO BE THERE.  THAT I THINK IS JUST ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE HERE.

WOW THAT'S A PRETTY DEEP QUESTION.. WHO REALLY KNOWS.  IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM, CHRIST SAYS THAT LOVE IS CHARITY.  THROUGH CHARITY YOU WILL FEEL LOVE!

IT'S HARD TO SAY BECAUSE THESE SENSATIONS ARE OFTEN DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE.  WHEN I SPEND TIME CONCENTRATING ON MY BROW CHAKRA I DON'T THINK SO MUCH IN THE TEMPLE AREA BUT WHERE YOUR THIRD EYE WOULD BE.  I THINK OF WARM BRIGHT LIGHT ENTERING THAT AREA AND THE SENSATION I GET IS A FEELING OF MY HEAD GETTING VERY TIGHT, LIKE I HAVE A SINUS COLD OR SOMETHING.  THERE'S LITTLE YOU CAN DO TO RUIN ANYTHING, EXPERIMENTATION IS GOOD BECAUSE SO MUCH OF OBE DIFFERS FROM PERSON TO PERSON.  HOWEVER YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS DO NOT GIVE INTO IT AND BE SUPRISED... YOU CAN'T HURT YOURSELF.  WHATEVER YOU FEEL JUST TRY TO TREAT IT LIKE IT'S AS NORMAL AS BREATHING.

ACTUALLY I THINK THAT CHILDREN ARE FAR MORE ACCURATE WITH THEIR OBE'S BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T YET BEEN MENTALLY INFLUENCED BY THE WAYS OF THE WORLD.  MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE THEIR STORIES INTO MORE CONSIDERATION!

TRY SITTING UP IN BED, LIKE SITTING AGAINST YOUR HEAD BOARD IF YOU HAVE ONE.  I'VE FOUND THAT THIS QUICKLY LEADS YOUR BODY INTO THINKING YOU'RE LAYING DOWN AND PREPARING FOR BED, BUT THE SITTING POSITION ALLOWS YOU TO STAY MORE AWARE AS THE BODY DRIFTS OFF TO SLEEP.

DON'T GET FRUSTRATED.  THIS IS A PERFECTLY NORMAL SENSATION WHEN ATTEMPTING AN OBE.  YOU NEED TO IGNORE IT AND CONTINUE CONCENTRATING ON WHAT GOT YOU THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.  A COMMON BARRIER TO PASS IS WHEN YOU FEEL A NEW SENSATION AS YOU REACH A NEW STEP AND GET EXCITED ABOUT IT.  YOU HAVE TO CONTROL YOUR EMOTIONS AND PRETEND IT'S AS NORMAL AS BREATHING.  DON'T GIVE INTO THE EXCITEMENT!

IF YOU FEEL A POWERFUL SENSATION WHEN YOU DO THE BACK AND FORTH METHOD THEN YOU ARE DOING THINGS RIGHT.  YOU SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THAT FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES AND SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN.

The card experiment is a good one.  Experiments such as this are to help you validate your own experience for yourself... not to try and convince others.  If scientists want to research the topic I think it would be great.  But one of the distinguishing characteristics of OBE's is that it leaves the subject with no doubt of the truth of the experience... but no one else.  It's too personal and try and prove you are right to the world.