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quote:Originally posted by Jon_88
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Hoshi: What is your answer captain?[]

Nicely done

quote:Originally posted by kenshinhan604

has ny1 if wat did u  move i can move a dangling needle that bout it & hw long hav u been training for?

The universal translator is struggling with this one, I will get Hoshi on the case [)]

quote:Originally posted by boydster

I'm the kind of sensitive person who is always trying to give to others and emit light. And, as many people here know, this type of person is really an entity magnet--an idiot with a big red target on his back. So periodically, perhaps every couple of weeks, I get tired of the subtle thoughts and desires which emanate from these pesky hitchhikers, and I lower the boom.

Know what you mean, if one gets steps out and gets involved with the dirt it rubs off

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my I AM Presense, or Higher Self.

We think maintaining this is an important aspect of natural defence, the erosion of which opens the self to the more unpleasant types. The wearing down of the 'spirit' be it in a physical life context or non physical is a slippery slope to problems and needs to be restored when required as soon as possible.

What I don't think I have seen mentioned hereabouts is the use of contact, spiritual, therapeutic healing (choose your adjective) to assist those who are down on their resources or perhaps damaged. We regularly use it as part of clean ups and believe it to be effective. Any others with experience with healing in this context?

quote:Originally posted by James S


The question then becomes a matter of choice - do you believe that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and spend your time looking for signs and portence? Or do you make the best of this life you have now, aware that maybe the world might end, or maybe you'll be run over tomorrow by an out of control ice-cream vendor on the run from police because he's been selling crack, but you're still going to enjoy life as much as you can while you're here.

I think it is wise to assume that we definately have one life time as we know it and thus it is somewhat important to make the most of it. Making life decisions based upon some upcoming major event of indeterminate soundness can give poor direction, I have been there and now regret passing on some opportunities for what was obviously unsound reasons.

quote:Originally posted by rhinegirl



Mick has potentially figured out how I work? Hmmmm....I'm intrigued.
How do I work?[}:)][]

Jessica

You have mentioned the use of runes for divination and other stuff, so 'result my interest is in hearing more about your approach. ' but if this is a problem then lets just move on.

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

You said in the last 50 years and asked if you were wrong. I said 'yes' and justified it. Mind reading not required

All right Mick, Uncle!  Uncle!  looking more closely, I see you got me there - it was in the last 60 years.

Please forgive my brazen oversight - at least I am assuming that is what you are talking about, you still imply that your meaning is perfectly obvious.  Again you will have to forgive me Mick, for I am not omniscient and therefore am fallible.  Is that what you meant?

Sticking to one point at a time as this must be somewhat tedious for others.
point 1. You mentioned Sweden and 500 years of peace giving us the Cuckoo clock. It is usually Switzerland that is associated with Cuckoo clocks.
point 2. Although Switzerland has had a long periond of peace, some of its institutions as have other countries have done very nicely out of wars fought elsewhere.
I drew a web between the two countries, both of whom have this neutrality status to suggest that there is another side to the peaceful status. Sweden is as are other countries a big arms supplier, one of their most famous sons Noble used his fortune from explosives manufacture to fund the Nobel Peace prize. I find that a little ironic [] and potentially humourous and perhaps a handy occasional tonic for a forum which in my opinion it attempts to deal with a serious subject.

I believe that you read too much into a casual conversation which may of course simply be a result of the pressures hereabouts. I am not for labelling people fallible, nor do I think having had time to acquire knowledge makes me omniscient but should I keep it to myself? If yes, I can do that. As I have said so many times I like to investigate, share, corroborate and most important test in order to share and to also keep my own feet on the ground. Open discussion seems something that is hard to do hereabouts.

quote:Originally posted by shedt

it is supose too disrupt negs energy. they find it difficult too travel across running water.

from what i see some entities like/need to secure themselves in order to remain in some places and it looks to me like motion and water being fairly easy motion to set up will disturb them.

quote:Originally posted by rhinegirl
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I have found a great deal of useful and relevant information in previous posts and other various aspects of this site. There were bits and peices that I was able to take and use for my own purposes in helping myself and others.

Jessica

Agreed, you have posted some stuff giving clues to how you work and as a result my interest is in hearing more about your approach. [?]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

Help me out here Mick, I can't read your mind.

There is no need, it is in the text.
You said in the last 50 years and asked if you were wrong. I said 'yes' and justified it. Mind reading not required.

quote:Ah, friend Mick, again you make conclusions and accusations with no supporting reasoning.  Yes, to many (most?) the paranormal is irrational, however I think it is no assumption that you 'believe' in the reality of the paranormal, based on statements you have made

It was a comment on the use of the term irrational in a paranormal context as it related to the earlier comment and nothing to do with my beliefs and experience. Again you missed the context and irony, but somehow saw conclusions and accusations.

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Why didn't you say you wanted love and light?  Not a problem.  []

In your postings

quote:For me the idea of insulating one self from outside influences is to be insular.

Please show me where I am doing that.  For me, I hold my long standing participation in the discussion of this issue as proof of not insulating myself.

You asked me to explain myself and what 'insular' means for me when I used the word and that is 'insular' in the context of experiencing the non physical. That is what I did

quote:...By reinforcing the notion that they are a slave to other's perceptions of themselves?  Please explain to me how this is beneficial.

I don't make that connection so cannot answer it.

Pass on the analogy as time does not permit as we are obviouslyhaving problems with the simpler ideas.

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You always defended DK's view Mick, and you still are, that is why you are making these accusations and asking these questions, and I am answering.  []

I speak for my own views, not DKs. There are many examples of sugestions by me across the spectrum and not all I believe favourable to DKs viewpoint. And if I was why would that be an issue?
It is after all just another viewpoint that should be open for discussion and debate. Again with the accusations claim! you raised questions of me and I gave my answers.

Amazing how this has gone from Mick speaks sense to Mick speaks accusations in the space of a couple of messages. So with that I am done with this message.

quote:Originally posted by rhinegirl

I instead offer this place to ask why shouldn't it be shut down.
Please feel free to use as many words as you need to.

I have made several recent comments advocating that a forum requires a wide range of viewpoints in order to avoid the problems of closed group mindsets that usually end up strangling themselves []
However there needs to be space for this to take place and currently this looks to be difficult.

So tell us Rhinegirl, where are you coming from and what are your objectives and role in the PSD arena? Obviously use another topic if desired.

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

Sweden, try eugenics and also environmental concerns later both adopted by the Nazis. Switzerland on the other hand do a good line in clocks and banking of Nazi money (some of it of Jewish and other concentration camp inmate ownership)

If memory serves, that was all in the last 50 years - correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, WW2 has been over for more than that and what is your point anyway other than to demonstrate that you cannot engage in a straight forward conversation. It was a simple perhaps ironic comment not a declaration of yet more verbal wars.

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For many the whole of AP fits this category, this is just one branch of this irrationality

Another baseless accusation.  Why is my statement (I assume that is what you are referring to, as you do not say) an irrationality?  Yes, there have been pockets of conflict that fit what I and others have described, such as the DBZ and the demon war debacles, but you imply this is the norm when the vast majority of threads are not that way at all - why?

For many people in the world the paranormal is irrational so again what is your point other than to demonstrate that you cannot engage in a straight forward conversation without having an argument. How about some love and light.
edited out hasty personal comment

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I stand by the insular view for various reasons, my reference to Nay is for stirring the pot at the wrong moment.

What 'various reasons'?  NOW is the time to state them.  How is Nay, by introducing a perspective through which peace is readily available to a group of people who are admittedly here to find help for a serious problem, stirring the pot at the wrong moment?

For me the idea of insulating one self from outside influences is to be insular. For me this may or may not be a sound proposition in the longer term simply because it may isolate us for those parts of our environment that we should know more about. I have said this before but am restating for your benefit.
Again the reason I raised the issue with respect to the posting by Nay is timing wise that just when things looked like they were settling this post kicked it all off again. From a moderator point of view I believe that it would have been prudent to delay in particular comments about members colluding and so on during a sensitive time. You obviously disagree and here we are again wasting yet more bandwidth saying nothing new.

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You, like others here, are putting the cart before the horse.  People come here for help, so we post what we hope is helpful, telling them they ARE empowered - and they cry "No!  You must not tell us that!  You hurt us by telling us that!" - what you miss is the very nature of the problem, which is that they are in a doublebind between their perceptions and their self-image.

You are answering your assumptions of what I am saying, I do not believe that anyone has denied the power of personal empowerment, they and I have simply added that those that have gotten into difficulty might need assistance to get to a position where they can then empower themselves and in the interim need to the freedom to discuss such.

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Or does he?  Perhaps you can give me a good reason the man must not live an 'insular' existance?  []

I have not said the he must not, I simply add that people have choices. If I follow your example correctly you are presenting that outside of the insular existance is bad (and already understood by your example person) and therefore generally to be avoided. Others including myself do not agree that all is bad out there and are interested it getting to know it even if it means stepping over some not so pleasant bits on occasions.
I suppose the analogy is the choice to live in gated communities, just pretend the rest of society for better or worse disappears when the gates are locked.
I think I am beginning to agree with Dark...

quote:Originally posted by kiauma


We need more posts like the last one by Mick.  He summed it up very well, albeit with the one small contradiction of speaking against "the insular view" and in the same post condemning Nay's input.

I stand by the insular view for various reasons, my reference to Nay is for stirring the pot at the wrong moment.

quote:Sweden enjoyed 500 years of peace, and what did we get?  The Cuckoo clock.  

Sweden, try eugenics and also environmental concerns later both adopted by the Nazis. Switzerland on the other hand do a good line in clocks and banking of Nazi money (some of it of Jewish and other concentration camp inmate ownership)

quote:I recognize that most arguments presented here are less than rational - but this is the place to correlate and discuss those

For many the whole of AP fits this category, this is just one branch of this irrationality []

Having been in this arena for some 30 years I think that gives me the casting vote but that aside []. For me AP is one view, my mentors long ago spoke of the astral context and it's provision of a relatively safe environment but made the point that this is not the complete picture so investigation and discussion is in my view good. The insular view obviously gives a degree of protection and isolation from the greater reality but that for me is not where I want to be. Understanding our environment can mean stepping out from the safety of the keep and taking a look around and not hopping to the nearest safe spot. This may not be for everyone but for one group to deny it for another group, their cup may be half full, for some of us with half empty cups we might seek to refill them with new experience and knowledge.

A thought that maybe of interest and I hope I recall it correctly. Joe McMoneagle, a former remote viewer of some repute spoke of the virtue of remote viewing versus astral projection. IIRC his statement is that of the two methods RV provided the greater accuracy, he is an experienced APer but that is his conclusion so as with all things care is needed when using one source of information to underwrite beliefs.
For those interested in more details about Joe McMoneagle see http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/

quote:Originally posted by James S

Jeez, would you lot JUST QUIT IT! Stop trying to score points of each other!

Kiauma and McArthur:
I want you two to try something different - reply to someone's post in one thought stream. Don't keep breaking things down and picking them apart - you lose context, and this style of reply seems to be getting people on the defensive a lot more.

I looked at this yesterday and thought here we go again just when the range war looked like it was entering a truce
But I would like to make the following observation. In a heightened state of tension, Nay once again rolls in an article which in the present climate could do no more than inflame the situation. There is a fundamental debate of philosophy and experience taking place here with attempts by some moderation to explore and categorise where such input is valid but when presented prematurely as the definitive state of play there should be no surprise that some should examine and disect. If the article is not open to disection and examination then we start to promote dogma.

There followed a few replies not in favour and some qualified by the inclusions of counter points. Next we have:

quote:Ahhhhhh..McArthur and Dk, so lovely to see you this fine morning of my birth! Thanks for your comments!  

Hey....how 'bout for my birthday, you two stop playing tag team for one day, on the Astral Pulse? Now that will be the most wonderful gift a old gal like me can get!  

Thanks ya'll, knew you would understand

Which may have been presented in an attempt to calm but again in the current climate it was a bit of a red flag to a bull by claiming some collusion between two people who are in my view independantly stating their points of view. This then deteriorates into other claims of 'friends of...' etc. In my view if one wishes to debate differences of philosphy and experiences, that is what it should be, not the resorting to personalysing the issue, this for me usually demonstrates a lack of sound arguments for the case in hand.

Please lets see the corrective measures applied equally including towards some of the moderation that we are seeing here.

 

quote:Originally posted by James S

Thank you Mick, that was a thoughtfull post.

The arguments and statements you repetedly make regarding responsibility and denial will end now. Your ongoing criticisms of those members who do not wish to see things your way will also end now. No more preaching, no more trying to teach us a lesson. Time to move on.

Your welcome  

I think that DK has been in a very dark place and while there she attempted to communicate her situation and fears, in some cases while doing so the reactions were not in her opinion helpful and I can sympathise with some of that. As she has established some respite I think she has also sought to address these 'slights' and set the record straight for her own benefit.

I too think that this process has become a little pervasive on her part but not helped by the badgering, semantic arguments etc that has developed on all sides of the argument. If we step back and consider this as a patient in recovery learning to adjust to the new situation and accomodate what has taken place in their lives then perhaps the whole dialog would be treated differently. I am not excusing DKs persistence in establishing her 'valid' point of view but I think it is worth considering what to do next time someone who finds themselves extremely troubled turns up and a similar situation is encountered. For me in such times there comes a time to all stand back and reflect but how we get to push the pause button is perhaps something for the moderators, that is if what I am saying has any consensus

Another 2 pence worth making 4 pence today

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

quote: Also from what I was watching on tv the great pyramid was suppose to align with I forget what stars.

That would be Orion's Belt. They are still aligned pretty accurately to this day, to fractions of degrees if I remember correctly. The Pyramids align perfectly around 10,000 BC.

Hancock mirrored the images so that they did match to some degree, when challenged he admitted this and claimed it was OK to do so.
The alignments circa 10000 years ago does not pan out even if using the same star chart software that Hancock used, it happens more recently. When challenged he said it was the thought that counted or words to that effect

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight

I still come here for a reason, and it isn't for my own benefit anymore, I don't need help anymore, and no, it isn't beat you up either. Given that you probably would over react and not understand there is no point in trying.

Having had a number of non conformist experiences some time ago and when seeking information also came up against the sweeping statements of some when I was more interested in looking to understand in more detail the world about us thus I can understand some of your frustrations. The world is made of of many types of people and this is a fringe science (dare I use that word in this context ) The quote from Nita that you repeated covers this aspect to a degree for some peoples response and there are other viewpoints.
Rather than become too combative I think it is simpler and more productive to recognise this and to engage with those that help you to explore yours and other situations thereby adding to the knowledge base of experiences and perhaps even solutions, and then see how they stand up in the wider view and application. There will never be unilateral agreement because people experience or not from some very different perspectives and beliefs. But I also would mention that to seek solace with totally like minded people is also in my opinion not good as people can created some weird small mind environments with little effort Also it is good to be in a place such as this where theories and such are tested for resiliance and my particular favourite corroboration.

That is my two pence worth.

quote:Originally posted by volcomstone
[brbut in many cases the "fear" is unneeded and NOT ALL NEG ATTACKS ARE ATTACKS
energy is exchanged for information, im sure even "guardian angels" or friendly entitys will echange energy with you, and you might interpret it as an attack,

Yes agreed. Have seen this as a technique being used to get information from the persons past.
Potentially ultimately no more desirable than an attack but that is generally unknown by the person involved. Good or bad experience?

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If you try and find out what the "entity" really wants, and if you don't let fear in the way usually they don't want anything more than a good multi-dimensional geometry portal (chakra) to latch onto.

If I am reading you correctly I too have thoughts that humans can and do provide a gateway into different spaces that might well be exploited by entities. Humans perhaps due to having several 'bodies' have a view into different levels dependant on the intent of focus. Entities of limited capability might well like to be hooked into this opportunity, the impact for the host no doubt are subject to a debate .

quote:Originally posted by James S

With regards to entities, that is genuine astral entities, what you say is correct. In this respect an astral entity will exist whether the scenario is of your creation of not. Thought form created by a projectors imagination won't make an entity come or go as the projector pleases, but it will affect how the entity is percieved, and that perception might go as far as no longer seeing it as being there. The average astral entity is not malicious, and would probably just be curious as to why you're there. If it sees no desire on your part to make contact, it will probably just go off somewhere else.

I think this is sound and something that I have put forward before only that time I was accused by someone of thinking that I must think I was god but they put me right The above is I think core to how well some forms of defence may or not work in that it's efficacy probably has dependence on the nature of the percieved problem plus the individuals ability at the time to (re)structure their own thinking.
I think that much of the wordage recently has simply been around this debate and how a person perhaps somewhat isolated by the experience might start to come to terms and learn to respond appropriately.

At one time I took an interest in the UFO abduction phenomena, this was because for me there seemed to be a crossover between the experiences although for many abductees they see it as a very physical experience. For me it seemed that OOBE could better fit the descriptions.
One aspect that did become apparent that is while the UFO abductees are fairly well served by a range of support groups, better than perhaps the paranormal community provides (AP is in my experience a rare exception) the in fighting was incredible and supports groups can typically have a short life, with that failure several more might be spawned but with more polarised 'answers'. My observation is that while the experiencers themselves can do much for each other simply by being able to share and break their isolation (isolation is a very big part of the ufo abductee experience), it is my view that the 'experts' were the main cause for the actual breakdown of the support group by attempting to lead based upon their own beliefs and all too often the type of content that they required for the shortly to be published book []. So to Sams point, simply allowing people to present their story and for some quiet probing to draw out details is a big start for many seeking help but they will also be looking for quick fixes having in their mind been burdened long enough so might just wander off with yet more disapointment. No, I do not have the complete answer

sign up at http://www.heavens-above.com/ and add your lat and long. It will tell you what is in your sky. Also provides forecasts for the iridium flashes and other satellites.
Jupiter and Venus are currently very bright in the night sky and resulting in a lot of false readings

quote:Originally posted by findtruth

Could there be a major world-leader antichrist, though?

Would we notice the difference. I think that Blair is a contender, leaves chaos wherever he treds [)]

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Phoenix

i KNOW that anime isn't real but i have been through some pretty nasty stuff recently that regards to a anime show called yu yu hakusho... and it ain't no mirrage or hulusigen or how ever you spell it. but i have recently been 'altered' in a weird way. i felt my life slip away and being transported to a 'spirit world' full of dead people. and i found myself in a dragonoid form. i don't know what else to say about this but this....THIS PLACE WAS REAL.

In days of old this may have been described as an out of body experience. As is not unusual in these matters the perception can be coloured by your interests and beliefs.
For some a 'spirit world full of dead people' is exactly what they would expect to find assuming that those that have lived in the past have passed to some other place.

Perhaps you would like to expand on why you think that you have been altered.

quote:Originally posted by James S

Hi Mick,

quote:I could ask where these numbers come from but won't []

No statistsics there Mick, just an observation. Besides, I don't bother much with statistics since it's been shown that 43.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot. []

That we observe is perhaps the greatest tool that we have and then to be able to present and debate to continuously improve our maps of our environment.

quote:I just recall very clearly how many people were "relieved" of the responsibility of dealing with their own problems by over zealous ministers who could ascribe a demon for every situation. Funny how often those demons would return simply because the people believed the minister could just take it away with an aggressive prayer, and there was nothing more they had to do about it.

I used to be more involved in spiritualism as a healer and also did some message giving. I moved out of it largely for the same reasons. There were too many people for me that simply looked to transfer responsibility for their own lives.

quote:To all,
I know a lot of people come here because they've read PPSD and are looking for help. We all need to remain very much aware that while some genuinely are neg attacks, there are also a lot that aren't. Despite what some might think we don't turn anyone away, and we don't tell people it's all in their mind.  

Agreed, the topic at http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10528 involving myself [V] is perhaps an alternate example of a cause of issues for some. As I mentioned before so think we are agreeing:

quote:There are some here that try to investigate reported problems by questioning and analogy plus they attempt to give supportive feedback. This feedback as I see it does cover the fuller spectrum of percieved advice and in some cases some members here get actively involved in attempts to support people.

Just need to keep the space clear of the more polarised commenting []

quote:Originally posted by hogglewoggle
[brno, theyre not. it may seem this way b/c most people who see or hear things probably dont think much of it and it doesnt really affect them. most of the time they only tell someone when it is unpleasent. and those who see or hear unpleasent things have a really tough time with it. ive been around quite a few people who se and hear things... they get really scared whenever they see/hear something... one girl looked at her wrist and saw tons of cuts bleeding in a middle of a group... she seemed quite scared. that was kinda off the subject but yeah

Thanks for that, it makes sense. The programme possibly had a focus on the more dramatic as they do, overall though I did find it interesting to hear of some of the experiences that they encounter.

quote:Originally posted by need

Life is really a lot more than any cliche we could ever read. The issue with this type of thinking is that we only have one segment of the truth, instead of the full truth.

These sayings are only guidelines accepted by most, with no clear validation, they do not address complexity ,what happens when these guidelines do not seem to work.

I think also that we are multi facetted beings and the whole (as much as we can know it) needs to be attended to and not cherry picked for the easily assimulated bits.

I don't see why guilt is a problem emotion if it is doing what we expect it to, that is feel guilty where guilt is deserved. But wallowing in guilt probably does no one any good but as a means to identify and address something or other, why not?
Like a pain is a warning, look to the cause and address it!

quote:Originally posted by Michael_Stonewing

This is truly ridiculous... If their was a demon anywhere associated with anyone that comes here it has most likely gotten bored and banished itself...than again what happens if a demon starts having uncontrollable fits of deep belly laughter?

Well that would be a good result so another technique for the list [)]