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quote:i was specific. like, what does my marrige have to do with this topic ?

No, this is challenging for the hell of challenging. Your not assigning anything to feel anything out. You're keeping mental and airy, and we're mental, emotional, physical and spiritual.

Because there is a pattern to life and how we grow and evolve, it's not the "scattered to the four winds different to the point of being unrecognizable by everyone" circumstance you appear to be embracing.

Rape, murder, mugging, psychic attack, death, even a break up of a relationship are all similiar forms of loss in varying levels of intensity. Like a pin prick is one level of pain and a gunshot is a much higher level of pain...but both are a form of pain. In the internal there is disentegration of certain boundaries depending on the level of intensity of the experience. The more intense, the more boundary destruction there is. We have similiarites as people, we need understanding, we need support, we need to receive from people and we need to give.

Your questions aren't doing anything, just creating a circular generalized argument. Try being specific.

quote:You know, if you can Astral Project, has it ever occurred to you to go with Enderwiggin or Spectral Dragon and see what is actually happening, instead of assuming we're all just making this crap up?

Just a challenge, not an attack, you're not gonna die.

James you said you thought maybe you needed more experience. Assuming you can do what I can't, why don't you guys AP and interact with what Spectral and Ender interact with. Look for yourselves.

Well, any takers. It's just crap right, people under attack are mostly making this up, right? Most people are just mentally ill so there is nothing really out there, right? Not like you're gonna get attacked or attached or get ripped away from your body, right?

Yeah, I can just see this post dropping like a rock to nothing...the site that doesn't acknowledge emotional work.

quote:how do you know what i am going through ?

why are you being hostile with me ?

actions do speak louder then words.

my actions now are communicating with you, being honest and not hostile. I'm taking the responsibility of not being hostile and trying too a nice person.

You're responding for the hell of responding with no real questioning. This is where I am done.

quote:how is it a form of communication ?

You have got to be kidding me? Empathy and understanding another person's experience? How is that not communication? What is your definition of communication exactly?

quote:it takes two to communicate. The responisibity should be equal.

How long have you been married?!? No, it's not always equal, sometimes the one that is in the position to give more has the responsiblity to do so. You don't expect it from other people, especially if they are vulnerable and may be unable to do so. Your feelings, your ego, is not more valuable than a person? That isn't how you prioritize.

quote:assume what ? can you re-phrase that please ? I'm confused at what you are saying.

What about how YOU think, how your priorities affect others? Does that mean anything?

quote:If a person does not try too help themselves and is feeding off other's, then maybe the timeimg is right too not be empathic ?

You don't make that demand on the spot! People need time to grow, and they need support! You don't automatically assume because they aren't doing it when you think it should be done it's because they're lazy, irresponsible, whatever. They need to be weened off!

Volcomstone

I'll just come out and say it....what the hell are you smoking?

quote:first, i think personally you should stop generalizing everyone.

you should take a moment too see the mistakes that you yourself are doing, like i believe this is too be.

you need to take responsibility too, just like everyone else.

Actions speak louder than words. You take the responsiblity and set the example, especially since you aren't under attack or suffering. I've taken enough responsiblity, and you haven't taken a shred.

quote:well, it depends. maybe your a expert swimmer and they know that. there could be multiple variables. not everyone has the same belief systems. Maybe you think you are drowning, and you find out the water is only a few feet deep.... as well, you can drown on only a tea-spoon of water i heard....

Did you ask or just assume. What about your thoughts or how you think?

quote:yes this would be a problem, but they themselves I believe are the only ones that would hamper themselves too learn how too better communicate.

No Shedt, you have a responsiblity. You aren't going to die if you need to learn how to be more empathic or patient with people...that is also a form of communication, and one you should make an effort to learn. You aren't the one struggling, and making an effort ot be empathic is the most postive show of love anyone can display to another, and most times, that is what people need to see, not aloofness or judgement from the ones safe on the shore.

quote:i personally don't see her doing this.

Shedt, put yourself in the shoes of someone else instead of using your own experiences.

And timing is everything...you have to bring people back into Creation before the positive can even take root. Positive at the wrong time can hurt a great deal if someone is hanging by a thread. Get them safe first, validate their value, then be positive...doing that affirms everything.

quote:Please understand this....Guilt is something we allow ourselves to feel, just because someone says you should be feeling guilty about something does not mean you must choose to do that. You have the power, you can choose to respond in many ways.

Tayesin, that's been the problem for the longest time. I just posted the five stages to grief and loss, one of which is guilt. People have to be allowed to feel to move through this crap, and everytime people here try to experience it, we're told we're negative. No one on this damn site respects and let's people under attack feel what is needed to feel to overcome this crap. No one sees it as part of being human. No, just the opposite, they're told they're negative, not taking repsonsiblity, etc, etc, and it's just ridiculous. People aren't healing, just the opposite they're stagnating and dying inside because of the blocks that are continuously thrown up. This has got to stop. It isn't helping and people are not healing the way they need to.

quote:explain what you mean about her tone ? I'm confused. How is she pointing fingers ? this article is about positive thoughts. Which came first, the egg or the chicken ?

Shedt, she uses her experiecne as an absolute without asking or caring about what other people need. She has shown nothing other than a smarmy, insensitive, selfish attitude towards the suffering of others, reduces everything to an easy hurdle, an easy fix.

And the egg came first, it had to be fertilized to make the chicken.

Shedt, attitude is not a guarantee or tell all to attract negs.

quote:i think it's best too have multiple perspectives, but if your ego is too big and you always think everything you believe is right, then we get these flame wars. every situation is different, and you should look at each one differently, even if you think it is the same thing that has effected you before.

Shedt you're right, but even in varying levels there are absolutes (even an absolute is a degree). If you've fallen into a lake and you're drowning, it's an absolute that you're drowning, there is no room for debate. How would you feel if you were drowning and people were standing by the shore debating whether or not it was actually happening? What would that do to your sense of human dignity, your sense of belonging to creation? Shedt, you have a kind heart, but too many people are coming here out of desperation and from reading Robert's book, and instead of getting help they are getting attitudes which place them further under the control of whatever negs are attacking them.

Another problem is that when people are terrified out of their minds they don't communicate well, because either they don't have the words or don't know how to express. They express the basics, which resemble any mental illness. Widfis described his girlfriend's condition one way, then a second time, gave more detail. Alumendor described his daughter's experiences, they intially sounded like a drug or mental problem, then later on he gave more detail, and unless Holy Water cures Mental Problems...I can provide countless examples from previous threads. It's like "Can't you see what's happening to me, isn't it obvious?" That's why I, Spectral, and a host of other people ask for more information over and over. You have to be patient and not take things at face value, because odds are, it isn't.

Fat_Turkey,

You know it would have been nicer if you had asked the people Enderwiggin has helped how they felt about him, and what he has really given other people.

You know, if you can Astral Project, has it ever occurred to you to go with Enderwiggin or Spectral Dragon and see what is actually happening, instead of assuming we're all just making this crap up?

Just a challenge, not an attack, you're not gonna die.

James you said you thought maybe you needed more experience. Assuming you can do what I can't, why don't you guys AP and interact with what Spectral and Ender interact with. Look for yourselves.

quote:first of all you apparently need glasses. I am no kitten, now step away from the large cage and the sign that says "don't tease the tigers".

No, that's all right, I've got my glasses on and you are in serious need of a tease.

Tiger my a**, and the antichrist comment I'll just leave there.

[Robert Bruce's]

quote:Just because someone is being negative about life does not mean they are under psychic attack (which is what this forum is for). And just because someone is experiencing psychic attack does not mean they will automatically be negative.

Somebody turn this into a poster with the largest letters possible, and thank you MacArthur for breaking that boundary down and dilineating it.

And these can't be quoted or said enough:

Direct quote from Robert Bruce's Book, Practical Psychic Self Defensepage xiii

To many people, if a thing cannot be dissected in a laboratory, it cannot exist, even though the evidence of their own eyes and senses repeatedly demands otherwise. A lack of viable scientific alternatives leads to claims of mass hallucination, hysteria, and mental disorders to explain the effects of unseen spirit influences. This is understandable when inexperienced, materialistic minds attempt to grasp what is beyond conventional comprehension at the physical level of existence. Although it can help, denial is not enough to drive back the darkness that has plagued the hearts, minds, and dreams of humanity since our beginnings.

and page xvi

In the world today, those with paranormal troubles are often blamed for attracting and/or creating their own problems. Myriad explanations abound, but they generally hold that victims do something wrong or have "bad karma," often involving past lives. However, philosophy and spiritual finger-pointing are not of much practical help, and while I believe karma, choice, and free will are involved in all aspects of life, it is not only demoralizing but unfair to blame vicitms for their troubles. They surely have enough to deal with. Helpful advice and practical solutions are needed, not blame-based philosophies.

This is Robert Bruce's website, I'll continue to repeat that over and over if need be. People come here because they read "Practical Psychic Self Defense." And they're greeted by moderators who not only do not support Bruce's ideals, but fragment them to being useless.

quote:And I will not be pulled into your hate and anger. So, you two don't like the post..that is obvious....well, move on to the next thread then.

No you don't have to, Nay, you still have your own to deal with. You never got over it, you didn't even move through it, you walked away and avoided it and claimed victory...you didn't do anything.

You don't even see yourself in others, or see what you do to others. You want everybody's situation to be like yours so you continuously have an easy defeat. Some are easy, some are hard, and the hard ones take time. You can't stand feeling anger for a few minutes, what would you do in the situations of some of the people here, who's choices are limited.

If you were in the shoes of some of the long terms here, you'd inject so much hate into your situation because you'd be trapped like a rat, unable to run away from anything, and that just can't happen, you've got to be safe and protected from everything. Safety isn't guaranteed and isn't owed. What do you do when it happens to you? You can invest you're energy into going woe is me I am not safe, or you can compromise that evil exists, reach out to others and live (and that is a positive attitude).

You're a fear oriented child (I won't even bother calling you an  adult anymore).

If I went back in time and saw you during those three days with the chicken pox, should I give you food and water and should I just smile and say, be positive not afraid or angry, here's a chicken bone for you?

Who's even heard from Xander, recently?

Last thread we saw here he was having neg problems.

quote:I have created thoughtforms before ,and the spirit of Hitler did not feel like a thoughtform. When I first sensed him approaching, he felt like a living spirit. I saw him a number of times,and I have not seen that spirit since I gave him the follwing message.

What do you mean by "spirit"? Anyone can take on another person's qualities. Sorry, I've had too many bad experiences with magic practitioners and I still want something even more specific.

I also believe in redemption, but forgiveness is something God gives so we overcome our flaws, ourselves, and that can take quite a long time. And if you would like me to explain to you in detail what it feels like to have all you boundaries annihilated and be forced to face your flaws with no sense of anything supporting you (whether it is there or not)...that is hell.

An attack is not a choice, anymore than getting mugged or raped is a personal choice.

So we have an all inclusive boundary...people who are attacked are negative and bad and people who aren't are superior and loving.

By that logic, what a miserable child you must have been to deserve what happened to you, Nay. I'm assuming you're going to go reach for some other horrible experience to throw up like a shield and protect yourself...you know all those horrible experiences you claim you have moved through and gotten over.

MacArthur, you are now seeing why "That Thread" became 13 pages long.

quote:several years of experience in this incarnation. several hundred given all the lives on this planet.

Kitten, I'm about as psychic as a basketball. But given that I have common sense (used multiple times in this life and thousands of times in previous ones), if you're a psychic that hunts vampires, then I am the next pope of the Catholic Church.

People come to this site, to this forum usually because they read about it's existence in Robert's book, Practical Psychic Self Defense. Robert provides the one glimmering hope, one shard of understanding that many people undergoing this horrible experience are missing in their lives.

They come here seeking help and what do they get...

I am not Adrian, I do not have the right to say what can and cannot be posted and where. I do and will exercise the right to say that posting this thread in this forum is utterly inconsiderate to the needs of people living a hell and in desperate need of help.

I've said this in one other thread, and I WILL repeat: This is a universe based on cooperation and compromise. This is how we get through life, accomplish our daily tasks, and get our needs fulfilled. When we do not have anyone else to compromise with or receive much needed cooperation, we do it with the only individual available...the self. Compromising the self is tantamount to cannabalising the self, and just as productive and progressive...and there is nothing positive about it.

When I was in serious need of help, I did not post in this forum to be fodder for someone else's sense of entertainment. My life is not a damn conspiracy theory, and neither are the lives of other people coming here looking for help and support.

So what are they supposed to do, cannabalise the self, fight the negs, and fight you? And some of you can't see why someone might become suicidal as a result of all this?

quote:As for those who actually can fight negs, I appologise.

Apology unacceptable, regardless of who it may have been aimed at.

quote:Like you said Dk i need to read the whole thread but its 12 pages looooong!

I know, I know, but lessons had to be learned, and learning, sadly, is very linear, regardless of how, where, and when the self floats.

Read all of it, might get a chuckle or two or twelve. Oh Sorry Thirteen, now.

Really, SD is cuddly and lovable, I plan on adopting him as my son someday []

Take care MacArthur, and good to see you here again.

Channelings by Lyssa Royal and Keith Priest often document ET groups translating the names of their races as "One People" and references of God as "The One."

http://www.lyssaroyal.com/

There is also Carla Rueckert, the person who channeled the Ra Material. She also references what is referred to as the Law of One.

Her two sites are:
http://www.llresearch.org/
http://209.15.41.140/lawofone/publications.html

And negs, well, it's a never ending tide of I'm Greater than the One, not part of the One, you name the comment.

Sare, are you still with us?

You just mentioned XM, I can't believe you just did that [:O]

MacArthur, he really si a nice guy and won't force anything on you.