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thanks for the replies... yes I'm aiming for F3 but I think F2 could be a place to start.  When you all think of going inward what exactly do you think of? simply inward? or more?

Does that mean that a number of things that we do are simply belief constructs, like sleeping... eating and a number of other ideas that people simply think would be impossible to go with out?  is gravity a belief construct too... because I'd like to stop believing.

I understand there is no wrong interpertation.  what I seem to be having difficulty is keeping my body from interupting any progress I may have.  Usually it is my eyes wanting to see things either in my imagination or F2 or something like that that keeps me grounded in F1... where as I am aiming for a pure F2 experience.

well, he did say he went to meet what would be called the most intellegent human alive.  and when his guide or inspec as he called them took him to a person who he couldn't determine the sex of so he simply called it a he/she kind of interesting.  From what he finds out this person has given up eating and sleeping... it's interesting.  there are also the people from a long time ago and then the ones in the future that he meets that are somewhat the same... only they eat whatever they want whenever but they don't need to like we do.  edit: although I wish I had first hand knowledge on this... but since I don't yet I'll go with what Mr. Monroe writes about in his books.

I've heard about humans who have lived with out eating... I think Robert Monroe said he met one such person in his books... anyone know about this?

I don't think this question has been answered before... if I'm wrong then I've missed some post I'd alright with being shown which one.

anyone?

Hello...

I've read just about all of Frank's posts on phasing and the newsletters.  However, I wanting to see what people do practically speaking to get past the physical.  When I haven't fallen asleep... I seem to get to a state of seeing images like you would describe would be in your imagination... and yet a large portion of what I see is what I'm sure is just blackness of my eye being closed.  I have not been able to make it past this stage yet.  I guess what I'm trying to achieve is a transition to F2.  I can't seem to get my eyes to "turn off" so to speak so that I can try either Frank's noticing idea or something of repetition.  Any response would be welcome

James

yea, I understand what you mean souljah... I guess I just want to find some advice to "be able to ap" but I think it will only come from me just trying over  and over until I figure out what I should do for myself.  I'm looking forward to being able to ap.   I appreciate the post.  Have you noticed how slow it is lately around here?

James

I agree with smilodon

I just was trying to achieve this, looking from behind my eyes.  I realized that most of my limbs were numb or gave very little sensation when I thought about them... every once in a while I would see maybe a few colors or something like that... one instance I would swear I was seeing something but it was like looking through a straw as soon as I noticed it and tried to focus in on it, it dissappeared.  I keep talking to people and they say how they just intent on where they want to go and such... which I try but I guess I'm not in the "state" of focus or something.  I'm kinda confused about what I'm not doing right... and how I can change what I am doing so that I can successfully make it passed seeing alot of black and every once in a while colors or being interupted by my body.  Is there anything in particular that anyone finds helps?  I've read a quite alot from this forum.
James

wow, tesla was interesting indeed.  He invented so many neat things and yet it's so hard to find half of what he did.

if you're running windows, how old is the computer? and when was the last time windows was installed?  I might also go with the whole spyware thing too.  but myself I like to reinstall windows after so long.

haha, that's great

that sounds like a good experiment... (the not talking for a while) but I think what I'm going to try first is not thinking in words.  because as of late I've noticed I do that alot and it's difficult for me to get away from it and I ought to as much as possible.

because words is a major way I communicate... I think anyone who speaks a language would say there are times when words can't express what they want to say.  I would agree, I would like to communicate more in the astral or non-physical.  I'm still learning how to ap though.  I know as soon as I can ap, obe, or phase on a regular basis I will communicate alot more in other ways.

I would agree that language is a large constraint on ideas.  but there are certain things that I feel I should do and things I feel that I shouldn't... that's almost right and wrong. except not because it's more of just what my personality is.

I kinda curious about that myself.

if I may ask, why would experiencing what is truth disturbing?

Hello Souljah 333,

I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear when I was saying "she/her" I meant the lady I had talked to from around where I live.  That's why I started this post. but I would say that you're probably right about opposites but I'm not worried about it myself... I simply asked to see what people had to say about it   .  I do listen to people but I try to run it through my reasoning before I accept it.  and since I'm still realitively new to all of this.  I figure I would ask people more experienced.  besides I got a partial answer to this post in a dream before I started seeing people respond.  

James

perhaps the only thing to fear is fear itself in this instance.

Howdy,

that's really alot of what I've thought all along Major Tom.  Which is why when I was listening to what she said I just kinda heard what she said and then kinda questioned her response.  But since I've not had a great amount of experience and all, which I wish I did, I figured asking people here would be a good idea.  Actually, I think this is kinda like some game I played once... it was supposed to be some sort of mental game and I was good at it... or it was just natural for me to be able to do it.  yet it wasn't until my friend said that sometimes it doesn't do exactly what you want it to... after that I messed up a little.  I then realized that if I just ignored that thought and went on with my business I could achieve the goal easily.  So is my reasoning behind this whole "protection" and the fact that I feel I don't need or want any of what she described.... sounded all a bit too mystical to me anyways.  I'm honestly more interested in the "scientific" type approach to all of this.  

James

Hi knightlight,

Honestly I kinda had that exact thinking in mind when I listened to her.... and that led me to be a little skeptical.  But I'm still would like to see what other posters thing

James

Hello,

a friend and I went to talk to a psycic today.  I talked to her for a while about astral projecting and other things like that.  I told her how I was trying to obe or astral project ( I've been trying to phase lately) but I used those other terms because that is probably what she would know... but she said I should use "protection" or tools to protect myself I guess from negs.  She told me about these different things like water and candle and salt but I was wondering what anyone on these forums would thing about this... I don't know too much about astral protection or anything like that because I've been under the impression that likes attract likes as Mr. Monroe says in his books so I simply have and still kinda think that because of the way that I am ... I may not be a big magnet for negs.... any thoughts would be appreciated.

if this is this the wrong place it would be ok to put it in a different spot.
Thanks
James

Hello....

actually, I don't know I think focus 4 is so interesting Frank because of what you said... the fact that you find out truth.  I hope to get there some time myself.  I'm still working on phasing or obeing.