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Hi mate!

Psychic attack I have a little experience with, and I think the sensations of paralysis are always accompanied by feelings of fear or other negative emotions - ie it is never just bodily paralysis (for me, anyway). Also there is usually something visual going on (blacker than black shadows, once I saw a bright green water bottle floating in the air above the bottom of my bed, it was very odd!), this seems to catch your attention which I think may be an important factor (like a "line" the attack can go down).

It sounds like (and here I don't think I have any experience) you probably had a projection going at the time, which would have caused paralysis and strong energy sensations around your chest area. Then when you "got up" and had lots of crazy things going on like none of the light working, this was probably a sort of false awakening - ie you were out of body at the time (like light switches don't work in dreams). Who knows, maybe these two memories are actually from the same period of time??

OK this is my view on the matters:
Also kinda kabbalistic, that each person is a complete microcosm, in that every person holds the entire universe within them. However, many have not learned to integrate certain higher aspect of this in with themselves yet, and the internal higher self is the "you" that exists around tiphareth, balance, the Christ centre (Christ said something similar to "I am in you, you are in me, and I am in the father"). When people hear voices i their head, which sounds like a higher being, they often assign this to their higher self, which is kinda right. This is infact that aspect of themselves they have not raised their base level of consciousness up to allowing full integration. THEN there is the higher self who is a the true higher self. This being is as God, connected to you through the chakra above the head, but it is not exactly you, though it is where you came from. Perhaps there is duality going on, where you and your higher self are one, but seperare, or maybe this is the goal of enlightenment. About now I get confused, and so shall take my leave!

Mawk, very interesting thread,

Just a quick point, with respect to energies and dimensions. The way I have always seen it is similar to you in that when you go up the dimensional scale the frequency increases (with physical matter at the bottom of the scale), and thus the energy of the wave increases. But also the amplitude is another factor concerning the power of a wave - like sound, greater amplitude means louder. Further, in a similar way to how (in theory) an electron can hold an infinite amount of information encoded into a wave pattern, waves of non-physical energy can hold information. So if an entity wanted to breach someone's defences, it would create as high a frequency energy barrage as possible, with a high amplitude (so maximum energy) with encoding in it which speaks to the mind and body of the person being attacked, causing (like a command), for instance, a drop in defences or fear.
As an side, I think that different emotions exist upon different frequencies, corresponding to the relavent chakra that frequency would be produced in (eg which can be evoked using different tones). However every emotion has its corresponding opposite, ie the two polarities at any level (love/hate, attachment/loathing, etc), and I think this may come down to the encoding within the wave. Though it could be that something like love is a pure wave, whereas hate is very distorted, I do not know.
well it was going to be a short note....
interesting stuff




Edited by - Inguma on 04 March 2002  22:44:35

Hi this one is a bit more techy. The top picture is (very very sweet but) 115Kb, which is pretty big (especially for laggy connections). I reduced the number of colours to 32K and size went down to 35Kb, and I couldn't notice any difference in the quality. Just a thought!

This is just a quick thought, I may be off point in places but I am trying to establish what makes something "evil":

I think, that good respects other peoples boundaries and perceptions of good/bad, whereas evil works solely for the self and does what it wants, often simply to cause suffering (cruelty, say for superiority).
Ultimately, there may be no good or evil, but in the physical world, IMO these things do exist. It could be said to be simply a matter of perspective, but part of the mystic path is to release yourself from the boundaries of "I" (subjective) and look at situations from a completely objective point of view. From this vantage only other people's belief systems become important (not your own), because they are what define those peoples realities. If someone does something which they believe is right to another, but that person does not want done, this can cause serious "discomfort" (assuming both those people are equals, eg not father/son situation where it may actually be for the good of the son). The person who believes themselves to be in the right is still acting in a wrong, even evil, way because they are disregarding the others rights to decide what is thrust into their reality (eg witch burning, they believed it was for the good of the witch, but it was still murder of the most vile kind)
As for the good/bad = light/dark situation, I am still trying to figure this out. I think, that both the light and dark can be acting as evil, but dark is more likely to. Although dark can be good (absorbing), just as too much light can be a bad thing. Experientially, negs always seem to work with the dark and angels light, so there must be a reason.
Winged Wolf: Yes I respect demons (though I have never met one, thank God!), I can even love some aspects of them for helping create the world we live in. But I would always fight against them, because I believe their motives are not for the best. Eg demonic possession where that "person" is then seen murdering their whole family (RB interview) - you cannot argue that this is pure evil for its own sake. On a lower level, negs which psychologically condition children and babies with corruption, OK they may be doing it to survive, also that person may grow older and because of ridding themselves of the influence grow stronger, but I cannot accept or agree with their mode of operation. I would always fight against it.

peace and harmony to everyone!

(wahey 50th post!!)



Edited by - Inguma on 03 March 2002  17:32:37

Ooops I forgot to say the main reason I use that picture file of a pentegram to help visualising: If you stare hard at it for a minute or two, then close you eyes, you can see the afterimage quite clearly. Then you can try and keep it there, which helps tremendously for those with problems creating it in their minds eye, and the mind gets used to seeing/creating it, speeding things up a lot.
Further, the picture I uploaded was not the right one, but the link has been corrected now.

Fastwalker: Personally if I see someone who is acting down, I assume there is a reason for it, and try and help them for no other reason. Naively trusting perhaps, but thats me. Also, to put a brave face on it is usually just that.
Blessings to you too!

"Spoken as a true authority on the subject Inguma"
ha yes, with all the pros and cons this entails.

"I would just say that I wasn't taking any sort of moral stance in my previous posting, rather my own personal position"
Sure! And when I mentioned people who see it as a 'big thing' I was actually referring to those like my dear mother, who would have a heart attack if she found out what most my social and not so sociable life has consisted of for the last few years!

"However, I do believe (correct me if I am wrong) that some Shaman use mind altering substances in their work - so I guess there must be something in it. I wouldn't doubt a Shaman!"
Quite right, people all over the world have used drugs for their often magickal qualities (which are not always purely chemical...). Personally, the most intensely mind blowing invocations I have ever done (which isn't saying a huge amount!) were when up on weed which was evidently spiked with something like acid (man that was a good night, but I felt very sketchy the next day!).
Then there is peyote et al for the native American Indians, licking frogs in Africa (and in magick brews), astral broomstick journeys for witches (powered by stuff like deadly nightshade no less...). And hey, ever wondered about the little men that live in toadstools??! And there is the highly spiritual stuff like Ibogaine, with little-understood curative effects for kicking addictions and relieving painful memories (similar to CIR methinks – if enough is taken it seems that abstract representations of these problem areas are lived out in an IBE environment)....I could go on, but you get the idea – I am very interested in this subject! Also, in my humble opinion, there are some very good things they can do, and results can certainly be got, if only to act like the carrot on the end of the stick to make you get there without chemical crutches.

But in the end, when all is said and done, they are rarely any more than stepping stones into other states and perceptions, not to be relied on but explored until their usefulness is outlived or outweighed by other factors. Which is not when I stopped smoking pot, and I paid a heavy price for it...literally and figuratively



Edited by - Inguma on 03 March 2002  00:32:53

A WILD is when you slip straight into a lucid dream after going to sleep. It is like a very high power lucid dream, where everything seems and feels completely real - no flight, passing through solid objects, etc. They seem to be mainly self-induced. I have experienced it once, it was pretty cool!

Hi
firstly, with dowsing using a pendulum check out:
http://www.earthalchemy.com/pendulum.html
Is a good one, what got me intereted in the first place
Personally, I rarely do this but ask a lot of yes/no questions (just hang the pendulum there, and ask you subconscious mind to give you a yes - watch what happens to the pendulum - then ask for a no - it will likely swing at 90 degrees to the first direction). Once you have worked out the direction for yes/no, ask away! I have got some great results using this method.
enjoy!

Well now, I certainly have enough experience in this area (hallucinogenic Adrian?? Naa!). Yes, the ability to move energy around can be greatly hightened, as are energy sensations, but if done in the long term, has a serious detrimental effect. Because it can put you in a kind of no-mind state, it could be said your awareness is increased, but concentrating on any one thing may be difficult (though i cannot remember what it was like when I first started smoking pot, don't any more, but did heavily for years). And no, getting stoned once will not harm you, in any long term way. My own point of view is that it is a good thing to try something like pot, if only once, because it expands your horizons of experience. This also applies to any drugs which do not have long term effects (eg shrooms but not E). Basically, I don't see it as such a big thing as some people would!
After eating a lot once, it seems like I shifted into the etheric body - ie like a permanent trance. On that note, yes I find it is very very easy to get into a trance when stoned. Perhaps this will help you, ie if you can experience being in a good trance state when stoned this may become remembered, making it easier to get into such a state in the future.
Also, if you don't want to smoke, I would recomment eating it - the high is much cleaner and purer, without all the groggyness of smoking. But then it depends on how long you want to stay up for, most first timers only feel effects for a couple of minutes tops, so you are safer that way.
But whatever, do or don't, is only your choice

Florian: lol, your post made me laugh! But I was thinking about trying to banish a person with a pentegram, rather than the name of Jesus, though I can see this may be a similar thing.
The way I see it is like how RB described in the interview: 3 factors, and only one of them is method (also faith and will power). So, um, yeah, pretty damn hard to test then. But I do still wonder what the limitations of an OBEr are, I guess a more passive way would be to cast a magickal circle or shield with the command "no OBErs may cross" and see what happens when someone tries. Hey, I would volunteer, but no can do.

I wonder, is there any way of telling the difference between internally created voices and ones which come from real sources? I was woken fully this morning (was awake but drifting off again) by a male voice which said simply "Hi there!", clairaudience or astral hearing. It sort of appeared simultanaously in my head (very noticeable mental-spark caused, not usual) while at the same time being very perceptable as a voice. So I wonder if voices internally created do not have this quality of seeming like an objective speaker?
But then some scizophreniacs () are said to hear voices which sound real, though I wonder if this really is a form of astral hearing, only they are not mentally developed enough to cope with it. Such people may well also be very susceptible to psychic attack, and generally with their minds far too "open" to be healthy.

Looks great to me (very "modern"), I always found navigating the old forum a bit tricky. I was about to say I did not think that the background lemony yellow went with the bolder blue, but then I see this is going to be changed to white.
I have my screen on 1024*768, and the picture at the top is still a little large - I would agree with making it a bit smaller for easier reading.

But aye, very slick! Thumbs up from me.

Hi again!

I had another thought: when you get up in the mornings - banish your bad luck, before you eat lunch - banish your bad luck, before you go to sleep....well you get the idea. You are human, and I do not know your psychology but everything is most certainly not closed off to you. Some things may be more difficult, but everyone and everything living has its own inherant power and energy. I do not know whether you know anything about banishing, but the lesser banishing ritual of the pentegram is supposed to be very good for general clearing, I am learning it on and off at the moment. I find it very hard to visualise a pentegram though, so have made a few picture files (which I use as a background - just uploaded it for you, can be found at www.blanc.demon.co.uk/realpentagramblack.bmp ).
Oh, and pray every night, strengthen your connection to your higher self, learn to love yourself, etc.

"(by the way, thanks for your listening ear!) "
Hey, I am here to help! Interesting, I felt a certain lack of inertia to respond to your last post, and so ignored it and made a greater effort to write back.


"I'm nowhere near being able to astrally project. I'm like at the other end of the pole."
How so? You have the ability to do whatever you set your mind to my friend! Nothing in life has so far convinced me otherwise of this, but hours may need to be put in...

"A number of them seemed scared (as if they were able to see something scary beyond my shoulder that was invisible to me)."
This is very odd. If you want to send me details about yourself (full name, age, photo perhaps, location, etc) I may be able to get in touch with some skilled scryers who could perhaps tell us more. I could even try a bit of divination myself, eg to see if I can identify who it was who did it to you (I am not sure how accurate this will be, I am sure a photo would be helpful though)

"It's as if the goal of my invisible torturer(s) is to deplete my energy & disillusion me"
I assume you heard RB's interview - he talked specifically about this sort of curse, like causing reality fluctuations around you, and screwing up your associations with universal lore. Nasty stuff, yes.

I hope this helps, in some way!



Edited by - Inguma on 03 March 2002  01:40:13

Joe: I think it is likely to do with how the associated energies are very holy and powerful, it is this that they object to.
On the other hand, the reasoning given to me by RB on why demons cannot possess a body with sacred symbols/names drawn onto it, is because this would be seen as a direct offense to God, causing the demon to be instantly destroyed. So there may well be a lot more to it than I could philosophise about!
But yes, I have often wondered what the power source of these things are - human or higher?
I doubt that the name of Jesus is the only one which a demon will submit to, I mean, along those lines of reasoning there are plenty of sacred symbols out there, some which seem to work better/differently (again, the pentegram being the best example). I do not think this will have such of an effect it you tried to banish a person in the name of Christ, hey someone should experiment with this! Get an APer in the room, then try and banish them, and see what the effect is. But check it out with someone who knows what they are talking about first, hehe.

Hi Murphy

"Inguma, it looks like you're the only one on-target with respect to my situation. I mean, WingedWolf is talking as though I'm psychic or have psychokinesis or something. Why are people so quick to draw conclusions?"

I think the definitive answer to this is that people draw conclusion with respect to what they know from personal experience. If your problem lies outside these bounds, they will try and give advice which relates to what they know, which might not be entirely accurate. I do not know whether the "evil eye" and curse are the same, but strongly suspect that this is simply a matter of different vocabulary.
I have NO idea why that seer you saw refused to divulve more information, to me this seems quite inhumane. I mean, what damage could giving more info cause, especially when compared to the possibility for positive change.
With respect to the akashic records, you would only need to be able to astral project, so if you like you could see this as a sort of test. Once you can get there, it may be that your potential to change your situation is greatly enhanced. I am sorry but I have no experience in this area, and so cannot help you further. Perhaps RB may be able to add something (?), I do not know.

Though I do think that psychic attack is a very different animal, in that what you are exeriencing is a long standing continuous force, where as an attack is a sudden temporary situation, very noticeable for what it is.

Again, I wish you all the best

Rob

Hi Tia,

"I find this a very scarey concept. Surely changing energy into matter/creature can only be done in the Astral Realm?"

I am not entirely sure what you mean here, but the creatures you create exist, I think, in the real-time zone, and the astral, where a lot of there work is likely done. Kinda scary in some ways, but then us humans are truly creator Gods, and have a right to make as we see fit.

"Me too, my goal is to try and get my subconscious, my mind and my body to all work in harmony. At the moment they all have differing agendas."
Same! damn, its not an easy one either....I suppose persistance pays etc

Hmm, actually the name Jesus Christ does have energy and power of its own, for instance by the laws of similarity and possibly the amount He has been prayed too. Whether the power came from man, or by the grace of God, I do not know. It is the same with the pentegram, used for banishing. But I do aggree, simly saying "begone in the name of Christ" will do little. But writing Jesus Christ and other various sacred symbols on your body does stop all forms of possession (told by RB, tested with some very odd effects by yours truly).
The energy you can get from such sacred names/symbols seem to rely on two factors, thinking about it. First, there is a natural energy accessable to anyone (law of similarity, energy imbued over the aeons, etc), then there is another effect directly related to how much YOU understand the symbol, which comes through the sub-conscious mind. The more you know, the more power you can channel out of it.

Hi Murphy,
I read you site, and you do indeed sound like a very unlucky person. I think something like this is similar to a curse, and if I remember right you have to find out who did it to you and why. For this you will either need to find a real pro, or go looking yourself. Perhaps the akashic records could tell you - if you can project. Or get someone who can to do it for you.
Good luck!

Hi!
"I was wondering if there is any way one can block another from remote viewing you"
This came up on the old forum a while back, Terri is the expert on this subject. I think the answer was that the russians developed a way to do it, but an experienced remote viewer will, given time, be able to break through any defenses. I have NO idea how any of this is done though!
For allowing people to know you are around out of body, I hear flying through them will give a good dose shivers and goosebumps. Sound fun! If only I could project in lectures....hehe(insert manic laugh)

Um, don't really understand Dentrakas' post, but this is how I see it:
Exerting mental strain with no physical tension is something which is learned - the more you practise the easier it will become. So I would say push it as hard as you can until the tension appears and then lay off a bit. With practise you will be able to dissociate the two elements to the point of OBE (and beyond!). But hey what do I know??!!!
Frustrating stuff.

"The more I learn, only serves to show me how little I know... "

Ha yes, and I have to say that this is a very healthy attitude. The belief that you know everything, and especially arrogance, can only slow the flow of knowledge (oops have been there!).

Anyway...

Yeah people exchange energy all the time! It is a natural things for all living creatures. Ailments, well yes in theory I think they can. Some russian scientists during the cold war did an experirement where they put two cell next to eachother, but completely seperated physically by a glass screen or something. Then they infected one cell with a dis-ease and, keeping the other cell still isolated, observed as it developed exactly the same disease. Interesting stuff.
As for energy and intelligance, well this is how I see it. Energy supports consciousness, but is a different thing. However, energy can gain consciousness of its own, if held into a tangible form for long enough. Magickians use this for the creation of servitors, they form a distinct creature and give it tasks, but over time the creature (which was previously like a machine) will develop sentience and its own agenda. It is usually about then that the practitioner either cuts all links with it, re-absorbd the creation or destroys its energy base, cos it won't do what its told so easily after that.
With raising energy, well it is you raising it, and it comes in pure and without associated consciousness. Yes, I think the unconscious has a large effect, I have had difficulties recently raising energy using NEW methods and so have had to evolve my own, hey I have some complex psychology!
Oh, another of-interest: Romero was discussing some experiments his society was doing to try and prove the existance of energy to sceptics. They got one of them to pull as hard as he could on a newtonmeter to measure the maximum force he could exert. Then an energy master drained him of most of his energy, and they got the skeptic to do another pull - result was he could only pull something like a third the force. However, it could be argued that this was just because he was tired, so the energy master transferred all the energy back to him and he was able to pull the same amount as the first time. They were stumpted!

"Yikes! And bad habits are hard to break."
Oh damn yes, I know tooooo well.
Read RB's post on "Developing Natural resistance to the Negatives of Life", which is great and will most likely give you ideas of how to lead a healthy life. But as for food, the basic idea is that natural organic foods are best, not too much meat (I think one meat meal a week is quite sufficient, health-wise, eg protein). Good quality in other words, lots of fruit, healthy stuff. I mean, this isn't going to have a huge effect but lots of little things can add up to make a difference.
Good luck!

I think I have read in a few places that the chakras are at the front of the body, but they connect through the body to the spine. I find this to be quite accurate, but not very practical for some reason. I mean, if I try and draw energy from the base up through the spine then to stomach, it doesn't work half as well as going straight up from base and ignoring the spine. However, I do get sensations when playing with the roots of the primaries at the spine, and where the pathways would run (seems to make activating the primaries easier). I do not know why it is like this though, bit confusing really!




Edited by - Inguma on 26 February 2002  21:54:36

Lorax: How many people can astral project? An extreme minority. What I want to do is allow the average guy on the street to be able to contact, without interferance, lost relatives and loved ones. There are so many other possibilities too. And hell, I wouldn't be an engineer if I didn't try and apply these things to technology!
An easier way than OBE is telepathic communication, but again, most people would not be able to do or even accept this.
If I can get it to work, it will be quite a big step for mankind.