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Envy you guys that can visualize good. It something that has always been hard for me. Therefor my obe techniques mostly based on sounds, thoughts, tricks. Funny even when I tries/did visualized somewhere, it was more me thinking of being there and then "looking" once felt there. Otherwise would see mostly just black, or static like old tv channel off the air. (but you can focus/look at the whiteness and sound with that, to get to vibes.

This how to visualize without seeing, the thought of being somewhere, the feeling, is the key. Say you was on a beach in paradise somewhere before (vacation), if you can "feel" how you felt then and then try and visualize on the "don't try hard level." Feel how you felt, remember the breeze, remember your thoughts, remember how this is somewhere you would always love to be, and remember something that had your focus then, cool looking rock, fish in water, whatever. Recreate that moment in your mind(the feeling), and if you can remember something like; I was looking at fish in water, sharp rock on shore you step on, something that caught your attention/focus; That is the moment to act and you can feel it when you there, open your eyes then.............It like you have to want something more than having an OBE, to bypass the obe barrier in the mind some have......Like an obe tonight would be cool, but an obe to that beach in Hawaii I was at would be cooler......

I had similar experianceishes trying to "look/see" with eyes, hard to overcome(for me at least)....I found that just relax and use/make your physical eyes "fallback/relax em" they not needed, and look(not look just see) to the back of your eyes to visualize, more like remembering but think of it being there Now, not then......

hope that can help with all the other good advice on your post, there many ways to OBE, finding what works for YOU is one of the hard things, specially if you only unintentionally got out your body, trying to recreate that is hard for some/many..............but yeahi'm just someguy on WWW, hope it helps.....

I don't get the vibes as I can exit in a couple of mins most times I try. I can initiate the vibes but this takes a half hour or so if successful. Not much happens after that as I'm unhappy for wasting precious time. That's a personal trait after decades of experimentation 

The Vibes can very difficult place to get to and get pass, still at times it can escape me if i'm "trying". Think that #1 reason people get discouraged not being able to reproduce the vibes doing that same thing or techniques. Yeah I spent time in the vibes trying to get out to no avail, to feel like wasted energy, disappointment, etc....Then the problem how to exit if i did.

In the books I did read, which I fail to remember but were thin and to the point and old in the 90's already....But the books I had were lacking in the exiting techniques. Like just saying push yourself out at this point? Pretty hard with no frame of reference, without a body how to do "push"?  Alot of times I would end up sitting up (from laying down) and be full awake....sigh

The better you can remember the "vibes" for yous that do, the easier it is to get back there. Remember everything is feelings and thoughts, try to suck it all up, bask in the Vibe state, enjoy it

Do you have any other techniques / books that inspired you / advice?
I'm trying meditating and it's pretty hard not because of the discipline (but) because of finding time to do it.
I usually meditate to meditation music. The only reason I don't meditate to silence is because it gets boring and we're in the digital age. So meditating to music / mp3's / cds (in my opinion) can be done.

As for other techniques something I stumbled on, haven't tried, but I already know it will work from the feeling I got from just hearing it, is the Frequency of PHI (I heard on Youtube). Depending on how you listen to it, surround sound, head phones, tv, pc. I noticed you have to find the position that frequency will "hit" you correctly for the effect, but I have no doubt that could be helpful for some.

What I found works the easiest is noise in another room technique once in Vibes. First time was accidental, someone had tv on in other room and I was like wth, what are they even watching? As I tried to listen (in vibe state), then Bam was there, and they were watching Real Genius. That was a good obe until I lost control of movement and woke myself up.

Anyways, Like Szaxx says it happens naturally and the more you do the easier it gets to get back to "same place" and more it will happen unintentionally, so you have to be ready when it happens. For me has been much trial and error.

Hope this helps some of u'all.............Happy Trails

At 18 I had my first Out of Body Experience, and quite a few more since then.

While I had an interest in the "super natural" I was a total skeptic. After this I knew there is more to humans that just what is consider "human" by the mainstream.

I was laying in bed listening to two friends talk waiting to get up and join the conversation, when i did go to get up to my surprise I was floating about ten feet in the air and looked down at myself laying in my cot and my friends were talking in the next area.

Ever "see" yourself outside your body unexpected? Yeah, not cool, immediately panicked which made me start to float upwards towards the ceiling, as I got father away from my body, terror is what i felt cause I had no clue on how to get back in my body. Can't explain the feeling as but to say it was the most intense feeling of wanting to go home you can have trying to get back in your body. I found myself flying around my body extremely fast and erratic, and everything visually flashing around. By this time my friends had come around the corner to see what was happening because they said I was trashing around in the bed making a bunch of noise trying to get up, which i was trying to get back inside my body and wake up.

Since that time many years ago I strived to control and understand it. For a time with ok success. I have had about close to a dozen self-induced OBEs, rather than by accident which happen also, having about the same number.

While people talk like it would be really fun and cool to fly around outside your body, yeah NOT so much.  Having an OBE is Like jumping into the Ocean not knowing how to swim, or what is out there,  how fun you think that is?? You have to learn to swim, while I guess some just know how??....

Never seen ghosts, spirits, angels, demons, aliens, faeries, Beetlejuice, or anyone else OOB; except regular awake people. And have been to quite a few "adventures"......Don't pay any money to obe.....


Common sense says, most that leave their body, no matter how much you think you prepared, y'our not. But there is always exceptions, you can exit to somewhere you don't see your body, but after a bit....how do you get back into body seeps into your mind and/or you can "give in" to the sleep/dream/AP/Lucid/ other states that can be focused on also, and each has it own set of characteristics, or freak out and all concern all efforts to get back in body. Which most do. If you had OBE then you will know what i'm talking about, having little control over self, that makes/made it scary as hell. The thought of how you going to get back to your body is always on the mind at first.

OBE have some very distinct properties/framework. Different from Lucid dreaming, Astral Projection, waking dreams, remote viewing, etc....

As obe goes I see people that have "one/some" and they have questions, freaked out, and have little control of movement.
It is something you have to learn, after you stop worrying about how you get back in body, which ends most obes at first. Hell Ya flying around is cool but HTF you getting back in your body is top concern, because how does anyone know you not just going to float away, you don't, only experience will quench that fear; and that is a major part of going from uncontrolled obe, to exploring. With practice you can just think "obe" and be out and "home/body" and go back.

If you can get into Vibration state. Focus on the vib feeling, try and pull "yourself" it in and out of that "sleepy" state, practice that. When you can Master that (everyone different) the vib state by being able to fall right into it fully consciousness(awake) ...then you have way better chance to OBE. And try not to go to sleep from vibration state, always wake yourself up, move around if you don't have OBE.  Try and just stay laying in that vibration feeling, get used to it. You don't want sleep and Vibration state to be "connected". OBE is somewhere between awake and asleep; body sleep, mind awake.
Getting to obe like tuning in on a radio dial, tune to far and wrong channel. Same obe enjoy the vib state, or let your mind wander to far sleep, or somewhere else....

Obe is something that has to be worked on for most, but many, many have by accident.

It's not always about focusing on a different level, rather than unfocusing on this one..........make your body go to sleep and keep your mind awake. What ever you "believe" will work will; everyone is different so.....



The big hurdle is going from vibration state to out of your body.

Now getting out your body from vib state can be a bit of a mind game. You can use the "lost keys effect"; You looking for something(obe) thinking to hard. Just like the "keys' when you take your mind off it, BAM you remember; same thing here BAM OBE. Like you have "trick" yourself out of body. The mind is tricky, exiting is/can be like; trying to hard and when you give up and think of something else; it happens....It like trying to remember something you know, but forget and on the tip of your tongue, and when you "give up/forget"; Bam it happens. That can easily apply to having a obe.

SO try and have something else in the forefront of mind your mind in your VS and just try to not think of what you want to do, (obe). Instead of thinking about how to get out body, think about something very important to you in this world (like new job, jail time, ex love) anything that will over ride OBE, something you have to have real concern,want, or emotions about and then when you remember OBE, You may just be out your body...... Tricky for many, but there is some real techniques that nearly fool proof......

One Trick is to have something with sound low enough so you can't make out what is being said (tv, radio,etc..) in another room(Unless you want to see yourself sleeping, which is unadvised for beginners, I recommend another room in your house, so you still feel safe) and do your routine get in your VS and try to make out the words of what whatever you have making noise. Either you get pulled to the source of the sound, or you will notice you can hear what is being said and realize you are next to the object.

think good , happy, warm thoughts....anything but "I want to obe" that is already "loaded" in all these scenarios and when you think about something else obe thought gets "buried" a bit, and as long as the thoughts you had take you away from your pursuant goal(obe), and you dwell in other thoughts for a moment; when you think back on OBE but only for a second, don't dwell,think fast or only about it for a moment and where you want to be. So think about many thing quickly in VS and every now and then think OBE and kitchen and a chance you'd obe....


Once in vibration state you poised to leave body, it hard with no practice. If you think about "jumping out" probably wont happen, but can.  If you can pull yourself in/out VS then you can try and  think about jumping all the way out on one of the Out "motions". Doing this though you usually start in a moving state going through walls, etc, with little control, or you end up in same room with body, but it is a way.

You can also just think/remember about something/somewhere/someone and how you want to be there, but not in OBE state...just try and forget obe and think of something/place that you want to be, makes you happy, remember the smells, sights, the feeling (in VS), and think/believe you there. But be ready for "Holy Chit", and far away from your body which can be unnerving.

The process can take sometime, many obes get cut short for all types of reasons of fear, like how to move, how to get back in body, how to stop moving, seeing your body, not seeing your body.
Once you first out out I recommend you try and stay in one place/room as long as you can, examine things (I mean really look at things up close), stay close to home/indoors/body.

Everyone's mind is different, and the mind is the key, and you probably have to trick it, or better said find the "trick" that will work for you to get to from vibration state to OBE.

Anyone that also can OBE with good results and has good control of movement. PM me Thanks.


Hope this helps people achieve their OBE goals, I'll post another update in another 13 years..........





The one trick I know to do to get vibration state is sleep deprivation, but then that has it own set of obstacles. Staying up for extra amount of time, makes some real sleepy and hard to get to VS, cause you go to sleep(tired mind), your body and mind use to going to sleep together.....some not.

What I have found if you only sleep 4/5 hours, then when you start to feel tried later on and need a "nap", going back to bed you can way easier make your body go to sleep and keep your mind awake and get the vibrations. Wear your body out, do some exercise so body energy low, and mind energy still high.

Also if you just try to listen to the static noise that in you ear, kinda like the "ringing in ears", that also can pull you into VS, just focusing on that noise and trying to hear that, to make out the noise as if it is something you can decipher if you could hear it better, and you will hear the "swoosh" and you in VS.

Also if you ever been so tired where you falling in and out of sleep, trying not to fall asleep when you tired.....Just keeping doing that letting yourself fall in to sleep, but getting up before you go all the way asleep. Usually this is where you hear the "swooshing", inside that swoosh is the VS. Just going in and out you have a good chance of stopping in the swoosh one of those times(body goes to sleep and your mind will still be awake and you get into VS.

Using the low noise technique I have bypassed VS and ended up OOB or was almost instantaneous, but also that was after sometime of trying obeing, maybe once, twice.
That phasing? Or is that something evolutionary children have evolved with since watching PowerBall Z and such....been out the scene a while

For me it is a mind game. With the mind being so powerful and ideas and thoughts have such a impact on what you believe, probably even more so in the subliminal mind, and being the type of person to DIY. I really didn't need any info to mess up what I had in my mind. Plus I could go and explore/experience for myself without any input that could sidetrack my thoughts. Even if you believe in something for years, doesn't mean you have not unbelieved something else. For example many that have been raised christian, that dropped it and have taken other paths of spiritually. When faced with a gun to the side of your head and told to pray. What do you think happens

Now after many years seemingly randomly I will get flushed/flash of VS doing about anything. Nothing major like I could just OOB right there, walking down the hall or where/when ever it comes. Also been in a state of disconnection with body and mind awake and no VS. where you just feel like you are only eyes, or can only "see", that can be hard to get out of "sleep paralysis?"(IDK) I can even think about the feeling(VS) and have it flush me at times, not always. Kinda like making yourself have goosebumps for a second.

For me, I wanted to get back oob right away after first time even though it was scary, you just know that there is more to humans than what mainstream says, and that is a big deal. but it took time to get to be able to actually "know" how to get out, instead of just telling yourself "go", or wanting it, and not happening. Like I said focusing on wanting it, is like trying to do something so hard and can't, and soon as you give up, Boom it works/happens. Once out you want/have to move, but how do you move with no body? It is all in the mind, and most's minds; don't register that this is something you can do. So for me that is why the "tricks" seem to work. We all have a subliminal mind at work, that is something that can also be altered, trained, worked on.

Every night you have a chance to achieve it. For me Obe is between awake and asleep.
So every time you sleep you passing  VS stage. In VS it is easier to "fall back" (for lack of better description) into a sleep mode, than to "push out" of your body. At the start when i couldn't "push out" trying, I would fall back, which would lead to lucid dream, where I could create stuff, or waking dream(which i have alot). Never went from L/W dreams to OOB, never tried.

Credentials: At 18 I had my first Out of Body Experience, and quite a few more since then.

While I had an interest in the "super natural" I was a total skeptic. After this I knew there is more to humans that just what is consider "human" by the mainstream.

I was laying in bed listening to two friends talk waiting to get up and join the conversation, when i did go to get up to my surprise I was floating about ten feet in the air and looked down at myself laying in my cot and my friends were talking in the next area.

Ever "see" yourself outside your body unexpected? Yeah, not cool, immediately panicked which made me start to float upwards towards the ceiling, as I got father away from my body, terror is what i felt cause I had no clue on how to get back in my body. Can't explain the feeling as but to say it was the most intense feeling of wanting to go home you can have trying to get back in your body. I found myself flying around my body extremely fast and erratic, and everything visually flashing around. By this time my friends had come around the corner to see what was happening because they said I was trashing around in the bed making a bunch of noise trying to get up, which i was trying to get back inside my body and wake up.

Since that time many years ago I strived to control and understand it. For a time with good success. I have had about close to a dozen self-induced OBEs, rather than by accident which happen also, having about the same number.

While people talk like it would be really fun and cool to fly around outside your body, yeah NOT so much.  Having an OBE is Like jumping into the Ocean not knowing how to swim, or what is out there,  how fun you think that is?? You have to learn to swim, while I guess some just know how??....

Never seen ghosts, spirits, angels, demons, aliens, faeries, shadow people, bogeymen, Beetlejuice, or anyone else OOB to be scared of, or concerned about; except regular awake people, which can see you. And have been to quite a few "adventures"......Don't pay any money to obe.....


Common sense says to many, most that leave their body, no matter how much you think you prepared, y'our not. But there is always exceptions, you can exit to somewhere you don't see your body, but after a bit....how do you get back into body seeps into your mind and/or you can "give in" to the sleep/dream/AP/Lucid/ other states that can be focused on also, and each has it own set of characteristics, or freak out and all concern all efforts to get back in body. Which most do. If you had OBE then you will know what i'm talking about, having little control over self, that makes/made it scary as hell. The thought of how you going to get back to your body is always on the mind at first.

OBE have some very distinct properties/framework. Different from Lucid dreaming, Astral Projection, waking dreams, remote viewing, etc....

Techniques/Guide..............

As obe goes I see people that have "one/some" and they have questions, freaked out, and have little control of movement.
It is something you have to learn, after you stop worrying about how you get back in body, which ends most obes at first. Hell Ya flying around is cool but HTF you getting back in your body is top concern, because how does anyone know you not just going to float away, you don't, only experience will quench that fear; and that is a major part of going from uncontrolled obe, to exploring. With practice you can just think "obe" and be out and "home/body" and go back.

If you can get into Vibration state. Focus on the vib feeling, try and pull "yourself" it in and out of that "sleepy" state, practice that. When you can Master that (everyone different) the vib state by being able to fall right into it fully consciousness(awake) ...then you have way better chance to OBE. Try and just stay laying in that vibration feeling, get used to it, enjoy it, make it something you want to go back to. And try not to go to sleep from vibration state, always wake yourself up, move around if you don't have OBE then goto sleep. You don't want sleep and Vibration state to be "connected". OBE is somewhere between awake and asleep; body sleep, mind awake.
Getting to obe like tuning in on a radio dial, tune to far and wrong channel. Same VS to obe enjoy the vib state, have obe, or let your mind wander to far and you can fall asleep, or have lucid dream, or something else....

Obe is something that has to be worked on for most, but many, many have by accident.

It's not always about focusing on a different level, rather than unfocusing on this one..........make your body go to sleep and keep your mind awake. What ever you "believe" will work will; everyone is different so.....


The first big hurdle is going from vibration state to out of your body.

Now getting out your body from vib state can be a bit of a mind game. You can use the "lost keys effect"; You looking for something(obe) thinking to hard. Just like the "keys' when you take your mind off it, BAM you remember; same thing here BAM OBE. Like you have "trick" yourself out of body. The mind is tricky, exiting is/can be like; trying to hard and when you give up and think of something else; it happens....It like trying to remember something you know, but forget and on the tip of your tongue, and when you "give up/forget"; Bam it happens. That can easily apply to having a obe.

SO try and have something else in the forefront of mind your mind in your VS and just try to not think of what you want to do, (obe). Instead of thinking about how to get out body, think about something very important to you in this world (like new job, jail time, ex love) anything that will over ride OBE, something you have to have real concern,want, or emotions about and then when you remember OBE, You may just be out your body...... Tricky for many, but there is some real techniques that nearly fool proof......

One Trick is to have something with sound low enough so you can't make out what is being said (tv, radio,etc..) in another room(Unless you want to see yourself sleeping, which is unadvised for beginners, I recommend another room in your house, so you still feel safe) and do your routine get in your VS and try to make out the words of what whatever you have making noise. Either you get pulled to the source of the sound, or you will notice you can hear what is being said and realize you are next to the object.

think good , happy, warm thoughts....anything but "I want to obe" that is already "loaded" in all these scenarios and when you think about something else obe thought gets "buried" a bit, and as long as the thoughts you had take you away from your pursuant goal(obe), and you dwell in other thoughts for a moment; when you think back on OBE but only for a second, don't dwell,think fast or only about it for a moment and where you want to be. So think about many thing quickly in VS and every now and then think OBE and kitchen and a chance you'd obe....

Once in vibration state you poised to leave body, it can be hard with no practice. If you think about "jumping out" probably wont happen, but can.  If you can pull yourself in/out VS then you can try and  think about jumping out all the way out on one of the Out "motions". Doing this though you usually start in a moving state going through walls, etc, with little control, or you end up in same room with body, but it is a way.

You can also just think/remember about something/somewhere/someone and how you want to be there normally in VS,......just try and forget obe and think of something/place that you want to be, makes you happy, remember the smells, sights, the feeling, and think/believe you there. But be ready for "Holy Chit" of being out, and far away from your body which can be unnerving.

The process can take sometime, many obes get cut short for all types of reasons of fear, like how to move, how to get back in body, how to stop moving, seeing your body, not seeing your body.
Once you first get out I recommend you try and stay in one place/room as long as you can, examine things (I mean really look at things up close), stay close to home/indoors/body. Try and validate things you examined, looking at the tv, what someone is doing, song on radio, note of fridge. Something you can get up and check.

Everyone's mind is different, and the mind is the key, and you probably have to trick it, or better said find the "trick" that will work for you to get to from vibration state to OBE.

The whole process can take a while, and longer to get good and alot of effort to be able to just lay down and go VS, which can also be tricky for some.

I found that if you think about VS couple times through out the day it can make it come a lot easier, and try only maybe 2, 3 times a week. You want your mind and body to able to build up this "new" thing you doing. say if you pick Monday and Thursday, and using the same "trick/programming" techniques above of thinking about getting into VS has a chance at gaining success at repeating the process easier.
So rest of week think about that the night you picked to go into VS mode/obe, think about how it felt/feels to be VS and connect that with the day of week you want to try, and also try to think of it in fast thoughts, like what do i have to do this week; take out garbage, do essay, obe or VS on Thursday night, paint shed, cut grass, wash car and forget about it. Keep it in the middle of you list of thoughts, so it like loads into your "subliminal" mind. hope that can help any having problems repeating Vibration state.

Anyone that also can OBE with good results and has good control of movement. PM me Thanks.


Hope this helps people achieve their OBE goals..........

RM, please.....Total bovine excrement.............there is no stuck souls, and I know for fact lies, and more lies, and fakers wanting to belong. There is no places, no people there, anyone says they helped people get to other side are full of chit. Maybe a dream or something, cause I been to RM and there is nothing there, but people to scam you out your money............Sorry, you may be able to obe from teachings, but everything else is total BS, and I will confront anyone that claims different.

This guy really pisses me off, he may of had an OBE, but the rest is bull, or dream worlds created. For one no one talks about the most obvious feature when you OBE and can see the "real" world, or how they just somehow never had to learn how to move around, never scared of leaving body and can never actually help you, besides say goto RM place, hoping it would work for you, plus your thousands of dollars -_-  It just not like something you can just do automatically, because you read a book.

At best RM created a "world" that more and more people believe in, but I can assure you it is not a reality. It like going to heaven if you a Christian, and then later you find out it BS, cause it was all created by the human minds that believe in it. Human minds can create "levels" this guy created a fantasy and people followed, making it "real" on some level. If that, more probably people read that crap making your "dreams" make that real, not OBE.....and I will challenge anyone to a meeting place. Been to CP, NY and no-one nothing, and to his institute.....smh

NO and Yes.....Depends on how deep you go/believe....even then that no matter, you can have an OBE, but it will probably be filtered by your mind to "accept" the religious answer to your question, specially if you raised certain religions.

You may see St. Peter, but only because what you need to see to keep you "sane", "things" have to fall in your subconscious beliefs, your sub. has to be able to make sense out of things or it will make you "crazy".

Know this, if there is intelligent design then "god" has direct access to you. You really think god needed a book to tell people his will? if that the case? When he made everyone, is not that a direct path to you, "god" could "talk" to anyone at anytime. Why would he only talk to humans from 2000 years so long ago and just decided to stop?

Anyways F-religions, but the one thing everyone, 99% of all religions say is the "golden rule"...treat people the way you want to be treated, live by that and hope it enough............

Food for thought..... Was Jesus real? People died, hurt, made war, killed many in the name of Jesus, and still to this day if you bad mouth Jesus in some place, expect to be killed. In other places his name will grant you all the giving's a believer could want, if you believe; Helping countless others in Jesus name.

Off subject some............
So weather JC was real or not in historic sense; means what? If you talk crap about him in this world and someone may kill you for that, or give you money and help you to have better life, if you have good words......How is Jesus not Real? Cause you can get killed dead via that belief? How fake is that? Real or fake? what the difference at this point?

Fools waiting for JC instead of using the abilities "god" gave them to use some GD common sense, and JC said The most important commandment: do upon your others as you would want them to do upon you, and that encompasses all 15, wait, 10 commandments.

If god made you then, then he put everything you needed to have in yourself for him to contact you, but guess most Christians believe he talks to random idiots, popes, deceivers(king James), and madmen to write books to tell the rest of the world his will.......please

Sleep Deprivation and obes, go hand in hand. Sounds like you were going in and out of vibration mode. Your body ready for sleep, but you trying to keep mind awake, that is what an OBE is. Going in and out of vib mode could sound like what you talking about....very much loud static, wooshing sounds, and in and out of body effect can sound like loud popping noise(thunder) followed by swishing sound (rain)..........Hey IDK, but yeah you had something. Want more? repeat your actions............

You close, forget about obe in your head, when you trying. Focus on the vib feeling, try and pull "you" it in and out of that. When you can master that (everyone different) in and out of vib state...then you have way better chance to obe.

Obe is something that has to be worked on for most, but many, many have by accident.

example: practice vibes in and out and then when you doing that and not thinking of OBE, enjoying the vibe feel. (all diff 4 diff people) ......Bam OBE

My experience and what have been told, it is the "effect like looking for lost keys you can't find, once you give up...and have something else in the forefront of mind and just try to not think of what you want to do (obe). It like obe would work, then think of something very important to you in this world (like new job, jail time, ex love) anything that will over ride OBE and then when you remember OBE, you may just be out your body...... Tricky for many, but there is some real techniques that nearly fool proof......

Put your neck and back in the most comfortable position before you start, try and make it so you feel no pressure. Think you would do good trying a sound or something you can barely hear(low radio, tv, anything(outside room you in unless you want to see yourself..eek) so when you relax you can try and think about hearing the sound, and "forget" OBE at the tip of your mind.
think good , happy, warm thoughts....anything but "I want to obe" that is already "loading" and when you think about something else obe get "buried" a bit, and as long as the thoughts you had take you away from your pursuant goal(obe), and you dwell in other thoughts for a moment; when you think back on OBE but only for a second, don't dwell. Oh yeah, i'm was trying obe, then good chance you'd obe.....

At 18 I had my first Out of Body Experience, and quite a few more since then.

While I had an interest in the "super natural" I was a total skeptic. After this I knew there is more to humans that just what is consider "human" by the mainstream.

I was laying in bed listening to two friends talk waiting to get up and join the conversation, when i did go to get up to my surprise I was floating about ten feet in the air and looked down at myself laying in my cot and my friends were talking in the next area.

Ever "see" yourself? Yeah, immediately panicked which made me start to float upwards towards the ceiling, as I got father away from my body, terror is what i felt cause I had no clue on how to get back in my body. Can't explain the feeling as but to say it was the most intense feeling of wanting to go home you can have trying to get back in your body. I found myself flying around my body extremely fast and erratic, and everything visually flashing around. By this time my friends had come around the corner to see what was happening because they said I was trashing around in the bed making a bunch of noise trying to get up, which i was trying to get back inside my body and wake up.

This really freaked me out to say the least, after made my way to a book store and picked up a few books on e.s.p. and such, then out of nowhere A big blue book of Quantum Physics. Since that time many years ago I strived to control and understand it. For a time with ok success. I have had about close to a dozen self-induced OBEs, rather than by accident which happen also, having about the same number.

While people talk like it would be really fun and cool to fly around outside your body, yeah NOT so much. You move different. If you had OBE then you will know what i'm talking about,  personally had little control over self, that makes/made it scary as hell. The thought of how you going to get back to your body is always on the mind. So someone says yeah I had an OBE and flew around and it was awesome, and mentions nothing about how the hell did they think/know they could get back to their bodies and how?; Many stories are Highly Suspect.
Common sense says, most that leave their body, no matter how much you think you prepared, y'our not. But there is always exceptions, you can exit to somewhere you don't see your body, but after a bit....how do you get back into body seeps into your mind and/or you can "give in" to the sleep/dream/AP/Lucid/ other states that can be focused on, and each has it own set of characteristics, or freak and make all efforts are to get back in body.

OBE have some very distinct properties/framework only people that had OBE can experience, explain. Different from Lucid dreaming Astral Projection, waking dreams, remote viewing, etc....

As obe goes I see people that have "one/some" and they have questions, freaked out, and have little control of movement. It is something you have to learn, after you stop worrying about how you get back in body, which ends most obes at first. F^$% flying around is cool but how the F#% you getting back in your body is top concern, because how does anyone know you not just going to float away, you don't; that is a major part of going from uncontrolled obe, to exploring, with repeat obes.

I don't think it is anything special and that all humans can do it. So someone saying yeah they had/have OBE and it is awesome is suspect. Specially if they act like leaving their body was no big deal and they never afraid. It is Like jumping in the water not knowing how to swim, how fun you think that is???

Never seen ghosts, spirits , angels, demons, aliens, or anyone else; except regular awake people. After a time I heard of a group of people claim OBE and more......And have went to place where these O.B.E.ers should be, and from the Fantastic claims made by some; nothing there......Don't pay any money to obe.....

I see many fake claims. Like a good detective with intelligence, knowledge, smarts, common sense, and horrible grammar. If you make it out your body enough, there are things that anyone that had/s obe would know, I have seen a few touch on this, but they don't have enough exp. where they just can sit and take it in and examined the environment. And have found that science has answers to one of these "things/proofs" that back up the claims of OBE, plus if you read someone had obe and moved all around with no worries, like they walking down the street, highly suspect, but not automatic liars.

It's not about focusing on a different level, but unfocusing on this one..........make your body go to sleep and keep your mind awake. What ever you "believe" will work will; everyone is different so.....

The big hurdle is going from vibration state to out of your body.

One Trick is to have something with sound low enough so you can't make out what is being said (tv, radio,etc..) in another room, somewhere a distance away, and do your routine and mostly likely if you get to vibration state (and forgot about noise) as soon as you remember the "noise" you will be next to whatever is making the sound.

Okay to get out of body when "vibrating" this is hard, you can "trick" yourself out of body. The mind is tricky, exiting is/can be like; trying to hard and when you think of something else; BAM....It like trying to remember something you know, but forget and on the tip of your tongue, and when you "give up trying to remember"; Bam you remember, same type of thing with OBE(always exceptions also).

If you get to vibration state pull yourself in and out of that state(practice), or think of going to sleep but then pull yourself out of that; play with it "In/Out" like exercise. There several ways to exit, exercise in and out of vibration state makes a hell of difference. That will have a reassuring effect that you know there is something more and once out you will have less unwanted movements, and take a lil time.

Once in vibration state you poised to leave body, it hard with no practice. If you think about "jumping out" probably wont happen, but can.  You can force it but hard for me at least, when it a "passing" thought seems to work to good....It hard because it like you can't want it, but that is what you are trying to do. After ever how long of you practicing in and out of vib. state, just think about something/somewhere/someone and how you want to be there, but not for OBE...just try and forget obe and think of something/place that you want to be, makes you happy.......you seem to forget your OBE for a bit, where ever you end up. But be ready for the "Holy Chit, I'm not in my body", and try and examine, and don't think OBE(at least for me) as hard as it maybe.
Take your surroundings in, examine things.

Everyone's mind is different, and the mind is the key, and most probably have to trick it, or better said find the "trick" that will work for you to get to vibration state.

Anyone that has been out of their body, would like to hear from people that claim they have good control and leave their body willing, consistently.

If you new to OBE PM me and I will help with true honest information.

Good luck to all, and peace.......

Everytime i go to sleep in my dreams i wake up here, i use to wake up in a better place. any help?

Anyone beileve that on sub/Higher-conscious levels that we make decisions en mass for ourselfs in waking life. (E.G. we as humans on some plane of conscious. we make decisions for are conscious waking life. like are whole human conscious decide and help make asending to a higher level waking conscious a reality. any thoughts

well here are just some thoughts i have and would like to post. i would like to say isn't the meaning of life right in front of you. i look at it like this. If we are energy and there's a good chance we have a conscious before we are human. with that idea or belief we would have knowledge of what earth is and the human experience would have for us. with that in mind what do we know for sure about humans are selfs. what do we keep with us are experiences and we are the masters of physical matter here on Earth. curiosity is something else all humans have or a thirst for knowledge and a sense to share these experiences and have fun(fun can be, being happy reading, or being mean to others).(which in a sense we know how to make areselfs manifest in this world) keeping that in mind, what does that say we must lack in levels, planes, whatever you want to call em?(e.g. deep feelings , physical contact, ....) what ever beliefs you have u can say you are here cause whatever level, plane,we come from have diffirent rules that don't lets us do what we/humans can do. Anyways ill post my beliefs in short i believe we are here to learn how to be creators are self and we are learning all the details of how physical interactions work so we can create worlds areselfs for us to play in. then again we all be here denying GOD and we we finally accept his love we die. he he (i think all gods are just energy we give them with are beliefs to become real. all comments are welcome please don't flame cause i know this post encompasses a lot in a lil bit.

the golden rule works pretty good. Do to others what you would have them do to you.

I think music is alot more special to humans than we really accept, i think music has such special effects that kinda just havent researched and/or forgoten about.

Does anyone know anoyone that hates music and does ever listen to any kind at all?

okay think of the most hanidcapped person you can think of. NOW that person should be able to achieve the GOAL or GOALS of the meaning of life. So whatever that is it has to also be attainable everyone else. So what could this person achieve? In whatever simple life you could think of there has to be the MEANING OF LIFE in there somewhere, what ever the meaning of life is has to be personal but at the same time widespread. The meaning of life HAS to be something we can all achieve. so something some where in all our lifes is the moment/s of the meaning of life or the reason why we are here. so we all must see what it is in others but we dont know that is the/a meaning of life goal. That could be a reson we dont remember why were here, cause the meaning of life is so simple relies on us not remembering. why we are here. Its is simply right in front of us. IM saying in part the ANSWER to THE meaning of life is to live life.
so what do we do with the ANSWER to the meaning of our life is what i want to know.

Okay let try and be more clear. Im saying If we are ALIVE before we are (born) humans and we are ALIVE after we die. Doesnt that say we Know what is happing here on E'arth and we already know what can be learned here, or what we should do. Doesnt that say that we know what we are doing here but cant remember. so im saying no matter what your doing in life you are fullfilling what the meaning of life is. THE MEANING OF LIFE IS LIFE. does that help any?

Evil is something made up by us as humans. Hitler didnt think hey was doing evil it was good to him, and when people do evil things they have fun doing them, so evil is just made up in evryone's mind for, you decide what evil is.