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Hi just wanted to tell you that the forums don't work in the mozilla firefox browser. I can only view it in explorer.

Hi, I have been trying to do the progressive muscle relaxation where you tense and relax every muscle but havn't had any luck with it. I know that deep relaxation is the first step to being able to AP so I would really like to be able to figure out how to do it proporly. I was wondering if any one else has tried the progressive muscle relaxation and had any luck with it? I could use some pointers.[]

From what I have heard about phasing and what I have heard about remote viewing, it seems to me like they are the same thing. Am I right about this? Or are they different?[]

Hi I just thought I would share my story. When I was in high scool I was starting to meditate. It was on the evening of new years day and I was in my bedroom meditating. I was doing a meditation where I imagine that I am a tree and I am drawing energy up thru my roots and absorbing energy with my leaves. When I was doing this I got a bad feeling like I tapped into dark energy instead of good energy with my roots. Very soon afterword I had a very strong feeling of someone standing right at my door way. I tried to ignore it but the presense was too strong too ignore so I decided to quit my meditation and just walk out of the room. I stood up and walked thru my door way where this presense was and I walked right into it and that is when the attack happend. It was like a cloud of evil electricity and it was just trying to ingulfe me. I tried to get away from whatever it was so a jumped flat on the ground on my stomach and when I was lying there this energy that felt like electricity was starting to penetrate my body, like I could feel it seeping into my rib cage. I started screeming like hell and my brother who was sitting in the living room watching T.V ran over to me and yanked me away from it. I think he may have also sort of fought with it a little.

A couple of weeks later my mom said she had a dream about a evil women who stoll my sister. She said that in the dream she started beating the women up and spinning her over her head. She said that as she was doing this she felt like she was sort of becauming evil herself like she was enjoying beeting up this women. Then my mom told me that when she was having this dream that she felt a evil electricity seeping thruogh her scalp and into her head. I said  that was the same kind of energy I felt when I was being attacked!

A couple of weeks later I had a nightmare that didn't make a whole lot of sense. I just remembered there was allot of chaos like the ground in my front yard was collapsing and people where being cut with broken glass and people where falling into the ground and stuff. During the dream I was again feeling that unpleasent electic tingly energy seeping into my head. The same energy that I felt when I was being attacked and the same thing that my mom described. While all of this stuff was going on in the dream I saw the face of a women in the sky and I knew in the dream that this evil women with jet black hair and light skin and dark red lipstick was responsible for all of the chaos in my dream. In the dream I refered to her as a witch.

When I got up I wanted to share the dream with my mom because that is something that we would do allot, share our dreams. So I walked into the kithchen and told her that I had a dream about a witch last night. She asked me what the which looked like and I started to describe her and then my mom continued to describe her. Like I said she had jet black hair and pale skin and then my mom completed me by saying "and did she have dark red lipstick" or somthing like that. Then my mom said that is the same women who appeared in her dream, the one that she was beeting up.

Pretty strange huh. I havn't ever heard a story like this before. What do you think it was that attacked me and then came into me and my moms dreams? Could it be the spirit of someone who lived and died in the area? Please let me know what you think or if anyone has had a simalar experience.[V]

Hi I was wondering if anyone has had any experiences beyond the Astral plane. I was reading the treatise on O.B.E and he mentioned that there are many planes like astral, mental, buddhic, atmic, anupadaka and adi. Has anyone experienced any of the the higher dimensions. To me it sounds like maybe the astral plain is not the best place to hang out. [:O]

I know that visualizing can be used for healing. So I was thinking that O.B.Es could be a powerful healing tool. I have read in O.B.E books that when you are out of your body you can create thought forms. In other words if you picture a sword you will have a sword. So maybe you could look at whatever is wrong with your body from outside of it and visualize it being healed. So for example if somone had a broken arm then you could try to see the bone and then try to see it being healed. Has anybody tried anything like this? Would it be an effective form of healing?

Hi I have never had an out of body experience and I was wondering what the astral plane is like. Is it like the earth, is their a sky and a ground or is it like floating in some sort of weird space. Is it describable in three dimensional terms or is it something that someone has to experience for themselves? What are the creatures like? I have read books about astral travel like the Robert Monroe books but when he was travelling thru all these different planes I had a hard time picturing what his surroundings where like so I just sort of pictured him as flying thru outer space. I know that he was in some places that seemed pretty earthlike but I don't think he was allways in earthlike realms.  [?]

Hi I am new here. I found a pretty interesting scientific article on this web site. Check it out and maybe you could post what you think about it. It's very fasinating. I put the url below. It is about medical support for N.D.E. and also has stuff about O.B.Es.
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/whoswho/vanLommel.htm

Thats it I just needed to scroll down more. Sorry, I feel stupid I just never tried that. I just saw the screen and figured it didn't work. Thanks for your help. [:I]

Well it's good to know that I am not the only one who the tensing and relaxing method doesn't work for. If the idea behind the tensing method is to fatigue each muscle then maybe I can get the same effect by excersizing each muscle until it is fatigued, like with weights or something.

by heart I mean the center of ones being, not the muscle. But maybe.

I think that our real home is within our hearts. Don't look to some externel place for your real home. Who you really are is within you. Just my thought, could be wrong.

I don't think that astral projection in itself is proof of life after death. But don't people who astral project come into contact with the spirits of dead people? Also based on what I have read the soul is something that exists beyond the confinds of one physical body or personality. I have read that we are part of an oversoul and that oversoul can be incarnated in more than one body at the same time. So in that case life after death is a mute point because we already exist outside of our physical bodys.

A trick that I read about is to hold your forearm in the air while you are in bed so if you start to fall asleep your forearm will fall and allert you. I wonder if that would work for the insomniac method. To help keem yourself from falling asleep.

So I wasn't quite clear. Did you stick your finger in your astral bodys mouth or in your physical bodys mouth?

Hey dark knight I don't think that the way you responded to that kid is at all appropriate. I mean don't forget that you are like 32 and that kid is only 13.  
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To be honest the main reason I put the post up about being attacked by a spirit is curiosity. I mean it's not a problem anymore but I sure hope nothing like that ever happens again. I recently moved out of the house where it happened which was near San Francisco and I moved to Arizona into a newer house and I will tell you this knew house sure feels different. In the old house I would get the feeling of someone following me or standing near me in a room. I would catch glimpses of something moving by really fast out of the corner of my eye, like sort of a dark whispy shadow, none of that in my new house. [] I think that the best thing to do in a situation where someone is being attacked by a evil spitit is to send it love from your heart, You could say the god within me loves the god that is within you.

Books are what got me interested in O.B.Es in the first place. I read monroes books and I thought wow that is amazing, and the thought that maybe I could learn how to do it also is a thrilling idea. But you are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. I hope that you stick around and don't get intimidated by these zelits. I look forward to hearing more of your strong opinions.[]

How about the popular music now adays. There is no creativity it is just manufactured in studios. Like hip hop it used to be from the steet it was totally unique and original, now they don't even have real D.J.s or anything it is just created in labs. I wish we could have a major boycott.

what is it about 2012?

Hey coffee that is really good advice in your post. I'll keep it in mind. Just thought I would tell you that.

Thanks I thought it was something like that. I read some books lately by a guy named Bruce Moen and he would have these out of body trips but he never seemed to go thru a seperation process. He was probably phasing. So is remote vewing a typ of phasing? And is phasing in any way easier or better than the other type?[:I][)][8D][]

yea, I have been wondering what phasing is also. I looked at the link but I don't think it really tells someone what it is, it is just a discussion about it. Is it similar to remote viewing? Maybe someone could just write a brief definition?[?][?][?]

It is my sense of adventure and curiosity. I think it's more similar to Indiana Jones than it is to Bhuda for me. Although I have not yet had an O.B.E, adventure is what is making me to look into it, but maybe the end result will be spiritual development.

Thanks for the tip but I should probably mention that this happend like over eight years ago and it hasn't done anything since then. I am just curios about what exactly happend because I still don't know and I still sleep with my light on every night. The other thing is I just stopped meditating after that for several years. After a couple of years the only place I would meditate was outside in the sun shine because I felt allot safer that way.