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Hi all ,I was reading about RV.I  read about how it works by logic and order. it has stages ,the first stage is to look for "The Single Line" .I guess it will be a lot easy if some one could develop a way and steps that is logical. I was thinking about it and I wanna share it with you guys maybe some body will come with a way to seek OBE instead of wait or hope for it will happen !

any ideas?

Totally Your,
Alaa Murad

Hello every one ,I was looking in the internet I saw this interesting "Technical Remote Viewing" .And I'm wondering if any one here had tried it ?

Here is the link : http://www.psitech.net  the only problem with it ,I guess is the price. The price is about 500 $ !!!


Any one has any idea about it ?

Regards,

Hi Frank ,
I have a small problem that is having no place to go ! How do I know I'm in the Astral? or how to shift to the Astral ?or where should I go ,what should I do in the Astral ? where is the fun stuff ?

sure ,every one else are welcome to contribute  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_blush.gif" border=0> !
Alaa Murad

Hi guys ,
This is interesting experience ,at leas for me. I start to do my things and I got my 10000 Volts running in to my spinal cord without loss of consciousness .it was exactly like my pervious pre-OBE symptoms. Any why I focused onto it and the I had OBE or you could call it a nightmare . I was fighting a weird entity that look a pit like a man-rabbet. Any I kept my self claim. and I repeated  in my mind it's all in my mind and kept fighting the rabbet. I was NO scared instead I was disappointed to project into a nightmare ! .what do I do now?. This question was running through my mind .Well, you guessed it I ran away. I actually flu through the environment doors, walls etc. then I waked up .bad luck that I had .but I said very quickly in my mind I will change that. So I'm going to try to have more OBE. I closed my eyes and then I got once more my 10000V symptoms .and projected to many places and I was not sure where to go or what to do ,my previous experiences were about a minute long !. but now I have in fall control flaying in the speed of light looking to starts, It  was unforgettable OBE. any way I got boring from having no goal. So I retained to my body. As I was doing that I thought I could have a Real-Time or OBE. So I felt like I'm having two bodies the one that is laying into the bed and the another body that is facing the bed!. Any way I projected again into what I thought it's a real time zone and then I realize that this is not my room. any way I moved to the door and then touched the edges of the door-handle .It was as real as it gets, it even hurts!. I flu around not sure where in the hell I'm .in the RT zone ,the Astral or in my own dream world!. Then I had so many other things that I can't recall. Then I terminated the process. And the rolled over thinking this is ultimate OBE  my and then I let my self to sleep .

That's it. Any ideas!

Your,
Alaa Murad  

We know sleep from our religion "Islam" as the "small death" !
This is not a full prove from the Quran that OBE occurring every night, But certainly saying that we are being sent to a place while we asleep!.

This is a translation from a site called http://www.holyquran.net

"He it is Who gathereth you at night and knoweth that which ye commit by day. Then He raiseth you again to life therein, that the term appointed (for you) may be accomplished. And afterward unto Him is your return. Then He will proclaim unto you what ye used to do."-AlAnam,59

Here is another one:
"Allah receiveth (men's) souls at the time of their death, and that (soul) which dieth not (yet) in its sleep. He keepeth that (soul) for which He hath ordained death and dismisseth the rest till an appointed term. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought."

I will let you guys think about it And then I will come for the feedback .

Yours,
Alaa Murad

Hi, I'm having this problem with my left foot my whole foot will resist any attempt of relaxing it. It will simply make a move and this keep breaking my whole body relaxation! Any one had had this problem before?

Your,
Alaa Murad

Well , I guess I found an interesting way of getting to the trance state quickly ..

The key in my method is breathing ...

**This method will get you to the trance state not OBE **

Hi guys. I want to set something clear. this method is breath control and not a pass-out method. here is the method is some diffrent way :

1-start to relax your mussels ( use what ever method you like) .

2-take 10 long breaths.

3-take a long breath for about 3-4 second.THEN HOLD IT FOR ABOUT 30 seconds

4- Exhales and start to breath normally for 1 minuts and feel your body.

5-repeat step 3 for about 3-6 times to get to the sleeping-paralyze state
(But this time hold the breath for only 10-15 second )

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I hope this is more detailed one . wish you all good luck.


Yours ,
Alaa Murad

any one have a better idea than the rope Does technique?

Today I decide that I'm going to read a book called "Sleep Thinking" by ..  . Well I thought way not read it by the PhotoReading system that I learned. Now we need to get in to the experience of the "Lucid Dream" . After I read the book and said to my self why not try "OBE" now? Then I toke a position and laid back and start did some relaxation, trance and then OBE techniques. Like usual it didn't work for me. So I broke the state and I went to bed and sure I was waiting to trigger the OBE as soon as I will fall to sleep. And I waited until I start to feel my spinal cord very active and I heard this weird tone in ears. I felt kind of awake and looking to the lamp hanging over the roof in my room. And I was opening my eyes in sort of Time-Out. I was so exciting and felt that I'm going to get awaking at any time and felt my body and my opened eyes. Then I retained focus to my spin and all the sudden the activity on it raised to the most. I'm talking here about "Hi Voltage" electricity running in my spinal cord. And I felt my self throwing out in a lucid dream room. I felt the pain of the hit. And I stood up and walked to some cube-like object lay on a table and touched it. It felt so so real. Actually it was "at less" as clear as you could feel and see right now. Any way the only thing that made me believe that it was a Lucid-Dream is what I saw in the windows, it has a watery looking .I was so excited and felt my body many time and resist the feeling to return to my body but I had kind of "Mind-Split" looking to eyes to the lamp in my room. I ended up awaken and first thing I looked to lamp in the room and the weird thing is I realized that the lamp have a totally different shape !!. And it was so dark to see any thing !! so I'm think did I had a mind-split with my projectable double? Am I right ? was it a lucid dream at all ? any ideas?

Today I decide that I'm going to read a book called "Sleep Thinking" by ..  . Well I thought way not read it by the PhotoReading system that I learned. Now we need to get in to the experience of the "Lucid Dream" . After I read the book and said to my self why not try "OBE" now? Then I toke a position and laid back and start did some relaxation, trance and then OBE techniques. Like usual it didn't work for me. So I broke the state and I went to bed and sure I was waiting to trigger the OBE as soon as I will fall to sleep. And I waited until I start to feel my spinal cord very active and I heard this weird tone in ears. I felt kind of awake and looking to the lamp hanging over the roof in my room. And I was opening my eyes in sort of Time-Out. I was so exciting and felt that I'm going to get awaking at any time and felt my body and my opened eyes. Then I retained focus to my spin and all the sudden the activity on it raised to the most. I'm talking here about "Hi Voltage" electricity running in my spinal cord. And I felt my self throwing out in a lucid dream room. I felt the pain of the hit. And I stood up and walked to some cube-like object lay on a table and touched it. It felt so so real. Actually it was "at less" as clear as you could feel and see right now. Any way the only thing that made me believe that it was a Lucid-Dream is what I saw in the windows, it has a watery looking .I was so excited and felt my body many time and resist the feeling to return to my body but I had kind of "Mind-Split" looking to eyes to the lamp in my room. I ended up awaken and first thing I looked to lamp in the room and the weird thing is I realized that the lamp have a totally different shape !!. And it was so dark to see any thing !! so I'm think did I had a mind-split with my projectable double? Am I right ? was it a lucid dream at all ? any ideas?

Hi all. I'm just wondering about the N.E.W energy work .I have been doing it for awhile now. And the way I understand it is through imagination. But imaging the awareness hand to take up the energy is very confusing! Isn't better to just move the energy by feeling it . by that you develop a natural ability like a part of your body .

And I want to know where are exactly the charka(s) are  they close to spinal cord or on it or away out .

I'm trying to get my second OBE but with no success. I got my first by doing most the book exercise (Relaxation ,Trance ..) but after an hour or so with no success I break  the state and I went to bed I slept on the right side and I'm kind of waiting. I fall asleep and I thought that I lost consciousness .but I felt me leaving the body so easy. I felt my hand and my head so real. I recall trying to get out-through-the-door and I stuck for a while but I manage my way out.  But I guess I fall down to a lucid dream after that !.
But otherwise I couldn't get any more OBE .why ?
Any ideas ? I'm trying for more than one year so hard with no OBE ?
Could any one tell us more about his pre-steps before he gets to OBE
What could help in OBE ?

Hi guys how u all doing ...
I just joined the forum and I think its fun to be here ...
Now ... I'm having some problems projecting while awake !!
I recall some memories "entering my body" but this happened only when I fall to sleep ("when I end up my session sleeping")?
I did every step right ...relaxation ...trance ...bounce ...and the rope method  I felt my heart beats is going crazy and I felt the vibration but that's about it. I loss sight of my projector double and I break my relaxation.
Any I ideas ?

Hi there ,
welcome to the astral.

Hi Tom, I was referring to find a way similar to the RV approach but for OBE/AP .   I mean we don't go through steps before getting OBE, we WAIT for the event to happen. If we could think up a way to go trough steps one-by-one, and those steps should be recurring every time we do it. We need some kind of new ways that will allow OBE(S) to have a logical(To the brain) method so we could have OBE we every we want. I guess this OBE is not completely logic but we can find a way to make it logical for the brain. If you try to calculate 1+1 you will always get 2!. And math should be more foreign to the brain than OBE (OBE our brain did it thousands of times). So why the brain gets the number 2 every time right but we get very little OBE even that some of us trying every day and for years!. In the last 2 years and after every day of trying I got only 6-8 OBE/AP!. That clearly tells us that we are not talking to brain in the right way! (Rope technique, Visualization, etc.  Are the wrong ways to go) . Those methods are developing nothing in our brain for the next time and they are not effective either in the current attempt. In another term if you do try the Rope tech. every day for the next six months you are not in any way close to project. We need to make OBE more like a "SKILL" that you could be trained to "MASTER" it. While we have many people in this forum appear to be good AP ,But they always talk about luck ! . Why some who is very good at AP and doing it for many years some are up to 18 years and then they need luck (I don't need luck to figure out 1+1 ,or to drive my car or even to dream)? I guess the methods they used(and we) are more than forcing the OBE to occur, or the trying to introduce OBE. We need creative people to come up with a new approach for AP.  I learned to drive the car once. Every day I reused this experience and I improve my skill by driving ! , Why it's not the case with getting out of my body ?

Think!

Totally Yours,
Alaa Murad

Hi , Thanks for the quick respond. I have to see that you gave me an expanding idea about remote viewing. But those people are talking about "Technical" RV. They say that any one "will" learn it!! . They say also that you don't have to go into mediation in order to practice TRV. What I saw in there web site that TRV is something new than the RV(from there point of view ,I guess).

once again thanks alot for the two sites,very helpful.

Regrads,

Wow, I didn't think of it that way. I thought that it's just a side-effect of OBE. But from what you telling me ,That if I could control this entity I will solved some problems with my personality and my sub-conscious !. That changed the way I though about it.

Thanks a lot for your time, Leyla ! (I have a cousin with same name ,lovely)

well ,if you could see images in your 3rd eye ,when you get to the vibration. All you have to do is to focus in it and try to recall it if it disappear. that what  works for me !,

Good Luck!
Alaa Murad

Hi ,just to let you know that all my OBE(s) were form the side .
easy !
Alaa Murad

Hi , I guess your talking about "Jinn". Islam is full with this kind of stuff. The more interesting is waht I had read once in the Quran. That the sole do leave the body every night! .I will look for that in the Quran and I will post it in this forum.

Yours,
Alaa Murad

Ok, I got an idea for you! As you know that OBE is NOT an easy goal for most peoples. So you could make a use of the trance state. Where you get closer to your subconscious. From here you could reprogram your mind. Use your imagination to send messages to your mind. And that will make the concept of OBE more productive to your life.

Good Luck!
Alaa Murad

Well, to me I think that WILD is the wrong name to call it ,it would be better to call it something like Sleep Induced Astral Projection(SIAP). That's because it's an astral projection guys. But it's under the control of the subconscious. Form what I had experience. There is a level of subconscious control. More control will make it more real and vivid (more real than what you experiencing right now), but you will be in a virtual astral boundary. Less controlling form the subconscious will make you more free to explore the astral but less clearly (you wouldn't feel much of your body, you can't see as well and so on). If you have a full controlled subconscious the (SIAP) you will have what RB call it the Ultimate Out-Of-Body-Experience.(I had some)

Yours,
Alaa Murad

Beautiful little girl ,I did what I could. If some one could give me a satellite map (of Tokyo)& picture of the hospital and the specific location in where she is sleeping I will try more.

So , you guys saying that not breathing for 30 – 40 seconds is very dangerous  ! . I believe in my body and I know that my body telling me that drinking/smoking/drugs...and so on are hard for him to keep up with. But from my experience I feel this method is comforting to me to my brain. my body is telling me it's quite normal to him.

And for Avix  you said that "Also, on the spiritual side of things, if you achieve something quickly and easy then is it worth anything at all? ". I achieved many OBE(s) before from a full wake state in less than 5 minutes. And it was worth it –I got OBE!.  And most people here started to develop there spiritual live in order to "fly".

So wish you all good luck .

Yours,
Alaa Murad

Hi guys. I want to set something clear. this method is breath control and not a pass-out method. here is the method is some diffrent way :

1-start to relax your mussels ( use what ever method you like) .

2-take 10 long breaths.

3-take a long breath for about 3-4 second.THEN HOLD IT FOR ABOUT 30 seconds

4- Exhales and start to breath normally for 1 minuts and feel your body.

5-repeat step 3 for about  3-6 times to get to the sleeping-paralyze state
 (But this time hold the breath for only 10-15 second )

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I hope this is more detailed one . wish you all good luck.


Yours ,
Alaa Murad