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hey everybody.
I was just thinking/putting information together that I've noticed. First off, in order to successfully have an OBE you need to reduce your brain activity as much as possible so you only have one train of thought. You also need to be in a very relaxed state, i.e. having a slower heart rate and slower breathing rate. Also, I noticed that the most vivid/accurate/realistic OBEs are the near death experiences people have when they are close to or have passed what doctors consider (brain) death. So, I'm wondering, while OBEing or attempting to, are you really just getting your brain to an almost-dead state? And, could a really good/strong OBE leave you comatose?  just trying to figure out the mechanics of it =)

Hey everybody. I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I was wondering about a strange experience I had last night. I've had one OBE before a long time ago, I've been trying really hard recently to have another. Anyways, last night I had a fairly frightening dream. Well, maybe not so much frightening as shocking. The kind that usually shocks you awake in the middle of the night, exept last night it didn't. I felt that this was about to happen, but I stopped myself somehow. I felt myself moving my arms and legs around (as though swimming), but no physical movement. It was actually pretty fun. I could see around me in the dimly lit room with my eyes closed. But then I felt my actual eyes open and I just thought "damn it".  What my question is, I suppose, is did I have an OBE or just a strange dream, or something in between? As I said before, I've had one OBE once, but this didn't feel quite as "real"...

Well, hey there everyone =) Since I just joined I figured I should do an intro blob or something. I'm 21, live in the US, and am kind of a novice in things metaphysical. I'm a skeptic at heart who has seen and experienced just enough to make him question things in general, which, I think, is just the way it should be. Anyways, I've seen lots of astral projection sites, but this is one of the few that seems realistic about it. Like, alot of sites will say "oh, you just have to wake up, do some chakra work, and you'll be off and projecting by lunchtime" and that's about it.

I've actually projected once about a year ago, but haven't really done much since. I guess I've kind of made it a late new years resolution to do so again, and on a more regular basis. Anyways, just wanted to say "hey" and that I look foreward to chatting with and learning from you guys =)

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well, here's my 2 cents worth =)

I don't really think that "giving it all up" and living subsistently is really the way to go for society in general. I mean, if you spent all your time harvesting your crops and raising your livestock, not to mention trading for goods you needed, there wouldn't be any *time* for spirituality. That's why we do things in a society, it gives us all more time overall. Now, the problem is what we do with that time.

The ancient greeks would sit there and think. You could actually get pretty far sitting there and thinking in ye olde greek society. They had people do this b/c they felt this would better humanity with the knowledge/reason they discovered. They also liked watching plays and being entertained =) Nowadays sitting and thinking to better humanity isn't really the best profession to get into, mainly because our society (meaning the Europe and all its derived cultures such as the US, Australia, New Zealand etc) doesn't see immediate profits in supporting people on "sit and think" quests. We still like watching "plays" now, though they're televised and more readily available.

So what've we replaced philosophy with? Consumption. We buy fun little worthless things and whoever dies with the most toys wins.  I don't really think you can change that aspect society, but if you can just say "screw that, *I* still feel that spirituality is a worthwhile cause", then I think you're moving in the right direction. Just don't quit your day job =)

As for the environment, I think that we're closer now than we ever have been to fully realizing and controlling our impact on the environment. Again, just speaking about European-derived cultures, it's not like the people hundreds of years ago really thought about the waste they created. It's just that everything they used (wood and metal mostly) could easily be recycled, and there really weren't enough of them to cause global problems. I mean, they never sat there and thought "hm... maybe we should burn our fires a little cleaner... I mean if 300 million of us did it at once, it might hurt the atmosphere". Now that we have that many people and we're starting to see the effects we cause, we're starting to become aware of them, which is the first step in preventing more problems.  

I really believe society's starting to turn around. Like I said, we as a species really haven't had much time to fully appreciate our impact in the environment, but the fact that *some* of us can appreciate what's going on... well, it says alot for humanity's potential =)

yeah, I can bring myself to that "drunken" state fairly easily as well, but from that point I really don't know what to do or where to go either

While scouring around for binaural sounds, I came across this webpage:
www.astral-projection.org and it claims that you are "guarenteed a projection or your money back". I'm a little wary of such claims, I mean, if it really did work all the time, then wouldn't everybody have it by now? Have any of you used this product, and if so, does it work as it claims?

Ok, here's the way I see it. Your brain can recreate any physical perception you have ever had, or can reasonably approximate how a new physical sensation should feel. I.e. none of us have ever flown before, but our brains can take a stab at what it would be like to fly based on expectations. Or, if you've never been swimming, your brain could still make a good guess as to what it would feel like based on what it knows about water, your body etc.

Now, going on this, I had a feeling that my brain should not have been able to create on its own. I felt myself floating around my room. Then I returned to my body. When I got close to it, I felt myself located both above my body *and* simultaniously inside my body. It's a very hard sensation to describe, and I didn't really know that it was going to happen, so I didn't have any expectations of it or anything.  My point is, in my opinion, there is no way my brain could possibly independently produce this sensation because there is no event in "normal" physical reality that could even resemble such a thing. Maybe if it were something like 2 heartbeats or 4 legs or some other viable sensation it would be different, but I definitely don't think the brain in its natural state can ever *imagine* 2 points of conciousness.

I know that's not "proof" really, but still, it's something...

wow! I didn't even know that this was an option! I would assume (hopefully) that I could use one of these binaural sounds and then train myself to produce the desired effect on my own, so I don't get excessively dependent on them. I think I'll scour kazaa now, but, just to be on the safe side, noone produces "negative" binaural sounds, right? Like say a sound file that subconciously leaves you in a bad mood or something after listening to it?

while it may not be x-ray vision in the superman sense of the word, it still sounds pretty amazing. People's brains seem to interpret clairvoyent(sp) knowledge in different ways. While see physically sees the organs and tissue, someone else who has this gift might see it as a set of words, or as symbols or whatnot. I think it's just her brain's way of dealing with higher knowledge =)

I suppose, a little along the same lines, I was wondering how can you tell you *did* have a projection and not just a very clear, very strange dream? (Or are all such dreams actually projections?)