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Hey all, 

Today's nap brought an interesting experience.  I was experiencing a normal dream, no lucidity, just going about the normal dream groove when all of a sudden I realized I was dreaming.  It wasn't full lucidity to the point of full awareness, but just enough for the base realization. 
It escapes me what exactly the trigger was, but that may come with further reflection. 

Then, my spirit guide was in front of me and handed me a spoon (just a normal reflective spoon) and said "Use this as a mirror." 
I held it out in front of me and, of course, saw myself in the reflection.  I then got the familiar feeling inside my stomach when I'm about to separate from my body (if you've ever been on a rollercoaster accelerating straight down you know this feeling), and anticipated leaving my body. 

Here's the truly amazing part:  I watched myself separate from my body through the reflection of the spoon while dually feeling myself separate from the part of me observing the separation - a consciousness split if you will. 
They come as two separate memories - one of the observation, one of the separation. 

I think in the moment I must have had the capacity to be aware of both experiences happening in sync, but here in the "physical" our brains aren't wired to comprehend (or remember comprehending) a mutually interacting conscioussness split. 

Also, on a side note, this was the smoothest separation yet.  Normally, I feel the familiar sensation similar to that of a rollercoaster accelerating towards the ground, and am somewhat hesitant to completely give in to the sensation and separate.  This was different however.  Very smooth, no hesitation - just let my body be carried by the stream. 

Thanks for reading 

-Mike

A thought just popped into my head.
So everythings connected right? ("physical" and "non physical") Take the example of someone meditating and all of sudden can see through their covers, or can see spirits, really just anything in the "non physical." 

So my thought was, if everythings connected, if people "here" can see things "there" then can't this be an extension of the Electromagnetic spectrum? 
 
 

[Things are only bad if you let them get that way!]

I think these are fear tests.  We've all had em, and they really can get horrible.  They will go away (for a while but not permanently) if you learn to stay calm, observant, and bring up the courage to not fear them. 
I was in your exact same boat, having fear tests every night, getting scared, and asking for help on the Pulse.  Then one night, I was in a graveyard with this dark sillouhette of an animal running towards me and making weird sounds.  I stayed calm and embraced it with love.  Then it turned into a stuffed animal in my arms xD.  After that, fear tests are rare occasions for me. 

Things are only bad if you let them get that way!

Also, when I started out, I read all the books, listened to interviews of spiritual people (Bruce, Campbell, Adyashanti etc..) for over a year, but what actually helped me progress the most was to throw away everything.  And I mean everything.  No more rope pulling, sleep paralysis, energy raising - the whole lot of it.  And make my own way to project, create my own thoughts on how it all works.  I then projected within 2 weeks for the first time. 

The point of all this is - Everyone has their own unique method and belief system.  My biggest advice to you (Based on my experience) would be to throw it all away and create your own.  There isn't one meaning for fear tests for everyone.  What's the reason you have fear tests?  Find that and conquer it. 

One thing that helped me was simple practice practice practice!  And if some method doesn't work for a few months, try a new one 

What held me back the most was when I would get frustrated with methods not working, and being afraid of things.  I know this is vague advice, but there are countless unique methods to explore. 

I found that the more I forgot about all the techniques themselves I had more success (for example inducing a trance, getting into the mind awake body asleep state, rope pulling etc..) 

Why would make it clear that these people owe you in the future? 

Thanks for the advice.  I'm going to try the extra hour of sleep.  I'll also be thinking more about what is different about naps that make me more succesful. 
And yeah you're both right.  Eventually, things just click. I've realized this more than a couple times.  There's aways some new frustrating challenge, and eventually it resolves itself with time, or a realization just pops into your head. 

Thanks! 

Hi all,

So I've basically been able to project without hindrance.  The only problem is, it's only when I take naps.  It's great, no doubt, but I can't just take naps all the time.  I have too much work to do and it's unfortunately not practical. 
It's frustrating because it took well over a year to be able to project with some sort of proficiency, and now that I can, it's during a time I can't even do it that often   

It seems to me that once you get you're unique method down - that's it.  That's your unique way of getting out. That's because once I figured out LDing was the most succesful for me (after all types of failures like Bruces method, the noticing method, etc), I tried all the LD techniques I could find.  Waking up at many different times of night (3 hours after sleep, 4, 5 and so on), meditating before bed, doing nothing before bed etc...  None of them worked until I discovered day napping by accident really. 

Do you think there's any way I can change this?  It would be ideal to be able to lucidly project during the nights with the same success as day napping. 

Thanks for the insight.  I'll be waiting for this to reoccur so I can handle it well. 

I tried his 90 day program, and then tried it again and again and again.  I tried his exercises for over a year with no results.  Then I started listening more to the people on the Pulse.

Robert Bruce was good because for me he laid a foundation of interest.  I only achieved success once I personalized my methods.  I learned that personally, doing more of "nothing" has a much higher success rate for me. 

Think of it like learning to throw a baseball. Someone has to teach you the basics.  But no one ends up throwing a baseball exactly the same way. 

Like Szaxx said - work out the truth with an open mind.  That goes for the process as well.  Keep an open mind, try new things, and eventually you'll find a way that works for you  

On negs, based on my personal experience, they're not "real" in the sense that your mind creates them.  I think they're all fear tests. 

I think other realities do.  I mean, I've flown around in the RTZ, which defies gravity.  And that's not like planes with aerodynamics, or spacecraft with the right amount of thrust.  You can just simply do it.  I've heard of people walking through walls.  I haven't experienced that myself, but that would mean different laws.

Sorry for the repost, but as a little time goes by, bits and pieces come back to me about the experience. 

I remembered that the when I initially slipped into the "dream" a very heavy trance came over me like usual, but one thing happened that has literally never happened to me before.  I felt like something pulled me out of my body by my feet.  I've heard of this happening to other people, and was kind of nervous about this ever happening to me, because it would be a frightening experience.   

However, I can say that it was a very pleasureable experience.  Very fluid, and very peaceful.  I kept my mind clear, and was surprised by my own ability not to panic.  I would honestly welcome slipping out feet first every time I projected because it was honestly a wonderful experience to my surprise! 

So like I shared earlier, I only project when I take naps during the day.  Well today, I had a lucid dream honestly more unnerving than any feat test I've had in the past.   

I woke up in my bed (where I took the nap in the first place) and thought it might be a dream.  So I asked my roommate "Am I dreaming?"  And he said "Nope."  But somehow I just knew it was a dream.  Everything was just as clear as everyday life. I could feel and see and remember memories perfectly, but I could just tell for some reason.  It was as interesting as usual - the whole pride deal with with the success of achieving another lucid dream, and then continuing to explore the surroundings until the dream ended shortly after. 

Well, all of a sudden I woke up in my bed again.  And I was still in the dream.  I went through the motions again asking my roommate if I was sleeping and got the usual "Nope."  But I still just knew it and thought wow this is incredible!  I'm actually fully aware that I'm still in a dream and that it's a false awakening. 

This whole thing kept going on and on.  Wake up in my bed, ask my roommate, realize I'm still dreaming, walk around, wake up in the bed again, and do it all over.  I was even lucid enough between "awakenings" to actually keep track of how many times it happened, which was 20 by the very end.  At first I thought it was pretty normal because the last time I projected, I had 4 lucid dreams in a row.  However, around the 10th time I woke up still dreaming, I started to get  a little worried. 

I've read about people having 3, 4, maybe 5 lucid dreams in a row, but to keep waking up like this?  I started to literally think I was stuck.  It was more real than the other lucid dreams I've had in the past too.  Last time I lucid dreamt, I could feel and see so clearly, but my memory was slightly off.  I could remember some stuff, but it wasn't perfect.  This time however, my memory was as clear as it is right now as I type this.  While in the dream, I even remembered the dream I had last night before my day nap, as well as what I was doing in "This" reality during the day. Before I took the nap and ended up where I was!  The lucidity was remarkable... 

Anyway, I started doing anything I could think of to trigger the end of these continuous lucid dreams.  From my dream eperience, most dreams are tests.  I started to try and trigger tests.  But it didn't work.  There was seemingly nothing to understand.  No problem to fix, no temptation to resist, no problem to solve, and no fearful things to deal with.  It was just this endless cycle that kept repeating itself without a purpose. 

Finally as I woke up the 16th time I had an idea.  My dreams are usually tests.  And when I pass/fail a test, the dream usually ends.  I couldn't think of any way to pass (because I didn't even understand if it was any type of test in the first place), so the only thing I could do was purposefully fail.  I won't go into detail, but basically this meant doing immoral things.  Things I've done in the past that triggered failures to previous tests I've had in previous dreams.  I knew it was a bad thing to do, but I wanted nothing more than to get "home" in my real bed. 

I kept waking up after doing that too which was astonishing.  I was completely stuck at that point.  No idea worked, I thought I was stuck there in that other reality.  Finally, the 20th time came.  I "woke up" in my bed, and didn't do anything at all.  I just laid in my bed, staring at the covers wondering if I would ever return to my real home, or if I would keep waking up in this terrible cycle.  After that I finally did wake up in my bed.  The funny thing was, I thought I was still dreaming.  I decided to go through the motions again.  I asked my roommate "Am I dreaming?"  and like every other time he said "Nope."  But I did something different that time.  I said "Are you sure?"  And the face he gave me could have been right out of a movie....  Thats when it hit me I was finally back - I had broken the cycle. 

It's still quite unclear to me what I was supposed to learn.  Especially when it seems doing nothing at all is what got me back. 
If anything, I learned the measures one will take to get home. 

My experience tells me Spirit Guides come to you when you need them most.  There was a time of a couple months when I felt my Spirit Guide every single day and got advice from him in dreams.
Now that I'm in a better place than I was, I don't feel his presence as much, or see him in dreams - even with the largest intent. 

I think you kind of run on their schedule when it comes to meeting with them.   

Doing nothing isn't completely doing absolutely nothing. 
I tried for over a year meditating, raising energy, pulling on ropes when I was in a trance etc... with no success.

So I switched to doing reality checks during the day and trying for "Lucid Dreams" (Astral Projections).  I got a lot more success that way.  Basically during the day I would ask myself "What's unusual about my situation?" 

Within a few days of this I had my first projection - 4 in a row actually. 

I still meditate at night, but it's not part of an exit technique for me.  It's mostly to clear my head as an end to the day and because it helps me remember projections with more detail. 

**The best advice I ever got was stop trying to project and let it happen. 

And if something doesn't work for a few months, don't give up.  Keep huge intent.  Like us pilots say.. "Your thirst takes wings." 

The green is most likely just hypnogogia.  It's just a natural thing your eyes do.  I get green and purple usually for example. 

I used to have this happen.  I think its your mind trying to trick your body to move.  To test if you're asleep yet.  And it makes sense.  If you move, you're awake so it's not time to AP.  If you don't move long enough, then you must be asleep and ready to AP.  I'd get into the state you described and I noticed that if you don't move for long enough, the trance deepens. 
But don't fight anything    go with the flow and see if your trance deepens

Try different methods and see what works for you.  Then you can begin to personalize your method with trial and error.  I'd usually try a certain method for a few months and if it didn't work after a few months I'd try something else. 
A simple list could be:
Xanths noticing method
Raising energy and pulling ropes
Rolling onto your side
Reality checks during the day to get lucid dreams
Wake Back to Sleep method (seems like most are succesful early in the morning)

Like I said before, the less I tried to project, and the more I just went with the flow and was patient, the more success I had.  ALso, I found I'm most succesful midday when I take naps after a good nights rest. 

It took me over a year. 
You want to know what the trick was for me?  Mostly waiting patiently.  I stopped raising energy twice a day and pulling on ropes and all that.  All I would do was meditate before I went to sleep and do a couple reality checks during the day. 

 

I think probably that is true I';ve not experimented all my conscious projections are guided at this point. There is one thing that seems to be prominent and pretty fixed. Spirits cannot directly influence the physical world. The only spirit who seems to be able to break this rule is the one who created the universe. Spirits cannot see directly and they cannot interact directly. All require a medium to do so. The ability to bridge is only present when we living a physical life.  To me this indicates a separate physical law. I think what we live in is some kind of odd bubble of that larger reality 

or the physical world is some kind of branch off the tree of the larger reality.  We cannot directly access that world and measuring it will not be possible because the tools we use are part of this reality. We only have our natural ability to bridge that we can use to test and measure.  We influence both realities when living physically but we cannot see what we do in the larger reality under normal circumstances.

I feel like its a good thing to re-visit past lifes.  You can re-visit what you learned

Every time I see myself in mirrors I'm always the same person.  I always look different - better usually, but still the same person. 

Whenever I don't understand something, I just try to reflect (pun intended) on what happened and see what I can learn from it. 

Lower Astral?
Middle Astral?
Upper Astral?

They're terms that really don't MEAN anything.

Exactly.  Think about what constitutes high and low in this reality.  High and low is used to represent altitute above something.  When you OBE I don't think it is getting higher in altitude above something.  How would you know whether a plane is higher or lower without a reference point below it?  They're all infinite in every directoin.  Its phasing your awareness to a different location. 

One thing that *gradually* improved my lucidity in dreams (OBEs) were reality checks.  Once I got into the habit of using my senses in this reality to increase my awareness (what can I touch taste smell hear see?)  my OBEs became more lucid. 
Another thing I did was ask myself "What, right here in my situation, could be a dream sign?"  Many of my "Dreams" are in my old house.  So when I go back there once a month, I take note that being there is a dream sign.  Or, if you see something incredible/out of the ordinary it could potentially be a dream sign.  Like maybe something in your room is out of place, or you find yourself in a situation you've never been before.  It could be as simple as meeting a new person.

Well, I'll tell you that you can and will grow spiritually *FASTER* if you just stick to this physical reality.
That's the entire reason you're here. 

There really is so much here that you can learn.  I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that you have to project to spiritually evolve.  No doubt there is alot you can learn from signs in "Dreams" tests, and OBEs but if we could learn it all there, then there wouldn't be a need to come here would there?

You had a non-physical astral awareness experience then!
More commonly referred to as an Astral Projection. 

Once you get the rhythm going, multiple experiences in the same night, tend to happen a lot.

Congrats. 

I'm eager for these to happen more so I can continue spiritual evolution in more than one reality. 
Thanks, I owe so much of my success to the undying will of The Pulse's members to help people 

My halfways lucid dreams have occured when I take naps during the day after a good night's sleep (as opposed to during the night) so I've made a habit of taking naps every day.  Earlier today I took a nap around 10am and had not only my 2nd remembered OBE, but 4 100% lucid ones in a row.   

In my "Dream" I lied down on my bed.  All of a sudden I felt myself in a huge trance and started to feel heavy vertigo (in the "dream").  The vertigo felt like the G's you feel in your stomach on a rollercoaster when you go downward with a lot of momentum.  All of a sudden I was out of my body.  Really, I was already out of my body to begin with because this was in a "Dream" so it was basically the opposite of a false awakening. 

I was extremely lucid.  I had full awareness that I was out of my body which was incredible. 
I've only had one LD/OBE before and it was so short (less than a second) I didn't even have time to percieve my situation. 

But anyway I thought to myself "I'd better keep this short so I remember it."  Thats when I had my false awakening when I "woke up" still in the "Dream" but thought I was in this reality.  I decided "Lets see how many times I can do that" so I lied down again in my bed (still in the "Dream") and did it again.  Once again I felt the heavy trance and vertigo and lifted "Out of body" (Even though I'm already out of body remember?)  Once again, I decided to keep it short and had a second false awakening.

Then I tried a third time.  Everything went exactly as the other two, and back to the false awakening.  Then on the fourth try I "exited my body" with all the same perceptions and decided to jump around a little - explore the room.  So I jumped around the room in what felt like jumping on the Moon.  I couldn't fly, or at least wasn't ready.  I had full awareness that I was out of body.  I even told myself I'd better remember all of this so I could share it on the Pulse when I got back to my primary reality.   
Then I remembered the 10 second rule so I dove into my desk chair and *actually* woke up in my bed. 

The most interesting thing to me is that when I took a nap (in our primary reality) my roommate was not in the room.  When I explored the room in my 4th attempt, my roommate was sitting at his desk.  When I *actually* woke up in my bed, my roommmate was sitting in his desk, back from class. 

It was very interesting because I was completely aware that I had exited my body, but somehow didn't think I was having an OBE during my false awakenings.  I was totally fooled into believing that my false awakenings were me being back in my primary reality.  I would think that if I had achieved total lucidity at some point, I wouldn't bounce between lucid and non-lucid so many times.  Especially due to the accounts of people achieving lucidity, and then the lucidity dwindling into the dream-like hazy lucidity and doesn't go back to lucid again. 

Either way, this was a huge success for me.  Not only was it the first LD/OBE I achieved total lucidity in, but the first time I had enough time to explore my room, think to myself, and of course, the first time I've ever had more than one in a single sitting.

Also, I didn't raise energy, pull on ropes or any of it.  I actually didn't even meditate before the OBE which is still surprising to me. 

That's pretty long, so thanks for sticking it out