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I'm glad you remember me! I edited my post I was actually trying to thank you for keeping the site up!

I'm just saying hellow ive been gone a while. I was feeling fragile and unhappy with myself and embarrassed and over thinking / judging myself. Left nearly a year ago. I am feeling alot better right now. Im not a super regular here probably dont remember me but I will love to stimulate some very interesting conversation here in the near future.

Nit really reading any threads tonight just wanted put my foot in th door tonight and say hello!

Ps. Thank you cant for keeping the website going for so long much love man you must be a great guy and we have never talked!

*edit* meant to say thank you xanth!!

        Hey everyone I dipped out again.. I'm sorry .. I left this awesome topic untouched also.. I just was dealing with things and I felt fragile. I was really excited about researching further into this shamanic aspect of the out of body experience and even kinda fell off from that.


        Idk what happened ive been through alot is the only consolation I can make for myself but im not happy that i disappeared.  Guys please dont think of me as a flop. Here today gone tomorrow cat. Gon a try to stay here not leave out and my first project will maybe not be this shamanic approach. I haven't had an out of body experience for about a month and several months before that.

         I am gonna try to do mental exercises and get back to having several obe a week.

           I havent read anyones replies here I see there are some. I wilm read them and post quick short replies and then maybe we should see if I should make a new thread on the topic to start new and I hope others can help me with their experiences. I do want to quantify a few things that are relative to one another between the two seperate but same disciplines of obe and shamanic journeying.

         The only difference I want to denote after thinking alot on it right now is that when a whole country of people believe in going to a temporal nonconscensus reality ie ancient traditional shamic journeying is that through the expectations and knowledge of this place may have created a more objectively there place and spirit / put a place marker on the when and where and details that many could maybe visit.


        Its like astral pulse island but with a whole continent of ppl believing and using this route and journey and place. Where as we might think its a set back to have those expectations and religion aeound the journey therefore conjuring up things and lessons that are maybe not correct or fashioned to you maybe we are wrong and it WAS *THE* tool that made it wven more practically useful and objectively real or gave them an extra sense of place and setting that we just wouldnt know about therefore they may have went deeper and a more qualitatuve experience compared to us. Ir it could be the exact opposite. And it made it harder less productive. Or what havr you i have to think on it more.
 

         I do know this that the inherent emptiness of essence dictates it is what it is. If it aint all good, its good enough.

         I think there will be pros and cons in both things and we should bw open minded and practice traditional and non traditional ways to reach non consensus reality.

That makes sense, it's a good thing you post regularly! It gives others something to think on or moves the dialogue forward, never stop! I want more insight, more criticism, and more talk in general!

Keep it coming!

For the last month or so I've been back I haven't delved much into the posts here lately and so haven't been meeting new ppl,. But, if anyone I haven't spoken with reads this and it resonates with you on any level please leave a reply

I honestly think of you as something like a guide and confidante of the material plane,.

Edit: *on the material plane,. Versus the non physical one ha

Sorry lum, I posted that before I seen you had replied already,. And as I'm sure you know I only say things about how you write or reply, from a place of great respect and thanks,. It's meant a lot to me for sure, and I hope you're thoughts of me come from a similar place, even if I am still standing on unsure legs I am trying to illicit understanding and compassion.

But yeah, any thoughts?

After I am proficient and have an actual package of information I have verified personally and found to be my and hopefully others best most conducive context of intellectual studies Of culture and language to make journeying / ap conducive, and found the most inclusive and Sure fire ways to induce the a p's I will begin to try and teach someone of the principle teachings of the shamans who have had this gift for thousands of years and what goes into the mix that makes their hearts and brains tick the way they do including the people of the culture and then also the shamans in particular and why they think the way they do versus us ; why it is so dramatically different than westerners point of view, including our ideas of life/ death, the pursuit of happiness, duality, the soul so on and so forth,. Basically I guess what I am saying is I want to teach lessons of the history of non ordinary reality from the beginning of time along with my own proof tested means of reaching said non ordinary reality,.




I think that if I can teach these things will I not only help one person but this is ultimately a project to change the lives of the children of the people whom I change,. Because their children will now be taught from maybe ten and on given these belief structures and be influenced from the age at which their psyche would be most maleable,. This is my first try at changing the world.!!

Whoop whoop!!


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      Thanks lumaza, for Quickly replying to most everyone's posts in timely matter even if you are still thinking on something more complex to add. I've noticed sometimes you will reply to something giving your short hand thoughts or sometimes not even that, but a promise to think on it and to get back.

      For some people who are not only trying to delve deep within, they are reaching out here for some sort of positive attention it means quite a bit.



      I would like to keep this post on the back burner while I do more research and ultimately begin trying to,

      A. Induce trance states using the drumming technique,.

      A-1. More of a Side note,. Personally, I don't know if this is because I haven't dedicated much time at all to it, but,.. binaural beats haven't worked much for me,.. and so, hoping this will give me more reliable Results so as to rule out placebo,.

      B. I will research as much as I can about the different cultures from whom I will be researching each method from, and if I find more methods and more cultures I will add those to the list,. But this also will include the study of what kind of influence over the landscape of the journeys will take ie. What thought forms and guidance/ overal tempo and setting, complex, abstract or otherwise, my journeys will take if at all,.

      B-1. When learning shamanic journeying from a shaman it is customary to not teach ANYTHING of what they might encounter or see, nothing about different planes teachers nothing about differences and cultures,. ANYTHING,. The only guidance that is given they are told what to listen to from the drum for there are auditory cues when to start trance when to end it when to wrap it up,. The drummer gives a double tempo drumming of four beats or something to commence and again after fifteen to thirty minutes to end and then will drum as fast as possible for about ten minutes to completely end the session,. Journeyers are told to climb up from departure point through membrane remember what way they have taken and when they hear the double tempo drumming to come back rapidly as fast as possible and to not forget the way,. *this is the tool for which they can map their cosmogeny* and then spend about ten minutes in silence to commit all things to memory by pen and paper or memory,.

     C. I plan to find what parts of the western obe and what parts of the shamanic journey are part and parcel where do they depart,. And try to eventually decide and come to terms with how I personally will move forward with my practice,. Then the plan is to package this and begin teaching others.




These are only ideas of come up with in the last few days but I'm pretty determined and so, open to and welcome criticisms/ ideas to include avenues of extra research or additions to the abstract and or practical ways to look at/ change/ add how and what exactly I am doing or trying to find,.

What correlations, differences are ofcourse something I want to look at,. But more so I want find what works best for me and what will work best for others going on the basis that we are trying to categories and demystify as much of the phenomena as possible, not to quantify really but to engage and manage frequent journeying. If there are tools used in shamanistic journeys that give you a better quicker way to know your place in the astral I may use that or if it's language better describes certain elements I may use that but if it's not easily relatable I may ditch it,. I will weigh these things,. But then I also really want to try to find a way to measure how much these things all combined influence the experience compared to someone that is told nothing and trained to journey / A.P. Without any before hand transmitted experience to lean on.

I've also began reading a lot about Tibetan Buddhist vajrayana bardo meditations / their implications / teaching of clear light Dzong Chen or how ever that is spelt,. and may incorporate some of this as well,.

What I am ultimately trying to Do is pretty transparent I believe,. Not only do I want to encourage my own growth intellectually physically and mentally by finding the best means to AP but I want to find out in what contextual frame of mind does it best grow and mature,. A sentient being in our culture has an AP and may never again if they don't want to learn about it and pick it apart and strive for a definition,. May even go to a doctor that has no clue and may give them a prescription and a diagnosis,. Maybe they will run with it and grow their spiritual mind and body to new limits who knows,. But within the context of culture someone somewhere else will already have a language for all of this and not only already know of what they experience but have a living guide they can inquire as to whether this is something they may want to focus on in the context of their life mission in this living vessel of a body,.

So,. Although we know what we experience is the same thing as the ancient shaman,. Is his practice 'better' or more filled with information that is more readily available just based on the language that was used around him in his formative years to now, and the census that this is something they have known and treasured for thousands of years and therefore have 'built' their psyche to be super conducive to such phenomenon?

These are pretty big questions and a lot of them are rhetoric ofcourse we know the answer to most of this,. But saying we know and trying to fill the gap and truly understand them by research and practice is another thing,.

My dang son is driving me nuts I can never type for very long ,. Can't proof read or double check anything rn :/ sorry guys and gals.

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          Hey fam, I was reading some books concerning shamanistic journeys into the Upper World, from the Middle World, and alternatively from the Middle World to the Lower World,.

     In most shamanic spirit journeys it seems that in order to transcend the middle world, one is usually doing something the academics of the day call "auditory steering", in which one is listening to a monotonous drumming of about 220 beats per minute either a. Indigenously and therefore listening to a live drum or doing it themselves or b. Listening to a cassette tape cd or iPhone or what have you now a days western style,.

     What is described by indigenous and westerners alike, during this time Sounds really truly similar to astral projection, to me personally, with a few distinct and not so distinct differences,.

I've only just recently begun reading from reputable authors on this subject And plan to try and see if I can recreate certain aspects of this,.

One thing that differs it seems like is this,. When the shaman goes into non ordinary reality he finds in his mind a natural precipice, very often a tree or mountain top in there mind from which they climb or jump up through a permeable membrane ie fog or paper thin wall of white or a foggy tunnel that they traverse through before they claim they have actually entered non ordinary reality, and in fact no matter how far or high you travel, until you pass this membrane than you are still in the Middle World even if you are past the atmosphere and in space,. This membrane is what actually divides non ordinary realities ie. The Upper World,. And from there you may continue to travel in either left right all around on this plane or travel again further up and into the next plane of the upper world, each plane consisting of a category of things to learn separated by some sort of rhyme or reason which is different for every people,.

This is what most shamanistic practices all have in common I believe although I suppose I could be wrong,. I know that the Amazonian tribes and the Siberian's of Russia all speak of this same exact phenomena with only slight differences,. They believe they can map the upper world from where they are and where they have been and what is called cosmology I believe,.

       The upper world is akin the the cosmos and the lower world is akin to the lower world,. Amazonian tribes along with the Mayan and probably Aztec and all of the other tribes have differing world views and deities but they all sort of have this same idea of waikas which is said something like wahakas,. Which are places where the upper world meets the Middle world and where the middle world meets the lower world,. Example would be mountain tops birds pyramids then there's the lower caves underwater tunnels roots and insects of the world,.  These can be metaphorical places where the spirit world and our world connect or literal,. A literal place where the upper middle and lower all combine and where the mostly dont at all do so in nature is in the body of the dead or of living dead god like rulers,.

The tribes and city states of South America were ran by patriarchs and sometimes matriarchs,. They believed that a ruler or someone who erected shrines and land works was much more connected to his people Of and the spirits of the land and this gave these lords and nobleman governors and such a lot of power this is waikas as well,.

When tribes would fight against or try to assimilate another tribe / city state they would destroy there landmarks and religious earthworks / shrines and natural places of power that are attributed to these lords and nobleman in order to weaken their connection to the spirit and their people,.

Last thing I would like to say is these people had such a very different thought process than we can imagine,. Every deity pretty much had a male and female counterpart a wife and husband but were also considered the same entity and this is how they remained in balance with the cosmos, there was a huge dependence on the idea of duality and balance,. Nothing could be one way or the other or the world would be put into extreme disequilibrium and this is when natural disasters would happen,.

This balance is also apparent In the upper and lower worlds and there connection to the living and material middle world,.

I haven't done much research yet and mostly have read about journeying to the upper world not the lower yet but will get there as well,. And also try to do some of these journeys while listening to some drumming,.

I gotta go my boy wants to play on the phone!
Ttyl

Much love sincerely,
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From there they will have different levels

          Nameless, I was thinking about that today actually,. I've only very rarely felt like things in my dreams are profound just as much as they are complex,. And so I really feel like especially lately, that I need to be journaling my experiences,. 

          It's just so strange to me that I felt such a sense of being cared about and included, like idk I never felt so loved than in those moments,. So strange I just don't get it except that in those young formative years I felt really abandoned and my feelings were always brushed under the rug,.

I hid as much as I can because I was being emotionally and physically abused to the point that I didn't want to not just not live that's not what I wanted but I wished that I had never existed and something about all of this made me feel like I was wanted and loved,. The universe said,. "You matter, You are important."

That almost made me tear up writing that lol..

Anyway the one thing that I wish I would have slowed down when being granted wishes is I now realize I could've asked to see my friend Chris that committed suicide a while back ago.... that was pretty rough moment when I realized I could have and didn't. I wished to see a girl I used to know instead because I was just having fun and don't even really like that person just the first thing that came to my mind, everything was so fun,. That's something I need to focus on,. I need to slow down and think before I act,. All of the ap stuff seems so novel and phenomenal,. It's well,. A miracle,.!! Even if it's just for me atm,.

And so, after coming back to my body or you know, waking up otherwise,. I think to myself, my god! I had a real opportunity to do this! Or reply this way! Or ask for this! Or perversely, I shouldn't have done this, I shouldn't have acted so brashly! I fear I failed a test! And so on and so forth,. But I've also learned that time seems to not be what we think it is and I might have an eternity to get everything right, so I shouldn't be so hard on myself because I will have another try as I go through the motions again and again.

I love you guys,

Thanks everyone, thank nameless, lumaza, ev, and others,.

This place has made a really huge difference for me!
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I couldn't quite say this in an intelligible way, but I think what I meant is, (about the movie's segment of the dream) was, that in the dream the movies that I seen seemed like seeing an old brother or sister I never knew I had or had forgotten and swore that these things were whatever they are, molded my personality in some huge way and helped me build me into who I am or was at the time and at the very least had very real emotional memories of these things and I almost wanted to cry,. And I think that feeling is what made it manifest,. Anyways tho the other very novel thing about it this is,. I have no bonking clue what the hell those images were now and have no childhood memories of it and cannot make any sense of it or of these "made up, fake, or forgotten memories" I had experienced in the dream can't remember exactly what they looked like or what they meant to me at the time except that it was something from my past as a child and very important, I remember thinking that and feeling surprise and awe!

This has been happening to me quite a bit,. Another dream I had a few weeks ago, my uncle had preserved my childhood room inside his home with all of my childhood toys and this made my cry in the dream and I felt such powerful emotions of being loved and felt like a lightbulb went on in my skull and I cried from remembering some super important part of my life that I had forgotten but looking back on it after waking up, I can remember some of the toys and some of the things I saw and can kind of maybe think that I had experienced *something like this as a child but not exactly,. But the majority of things were absolutely things I had no real connection to after waking up but in the dream I was in awe!

This is a strange thing? Anyone have any similar experinces?

          Hey, what's up everybody!  I hope everyone is safe and well taken care of, physically and emotionally, in these hard times,.  I am in the USA and things are kind of crazy!  Here in my small towns we are not witnessing any rioting or looting behaviors, although there are some very small civil protests,.

          Aside from that there hasn't been very much going on with me personally,.  I, just last night, had a really great Awesome and eye opening session that was pretty out of the norm for me,.

I basically was aiming for an astral projection and was in and out of consciousness for a while not really getting any AP symptoms/ phenomenon,.

After a while I found myself coming to the realization that I was dreaming and so I went with it quite a lot but still had the knowing conscious thought behind the blinds so to say that I am dreaming, and would come in and out of times where I would interrupt the flow of the dream scenarios in order to test a hypothesis.

I can't for certain remember what was happening before I became conscious but after a while I was watching everything unfold and I ended sitting through a scenario where myself and someone else watched a bit of a movie on a television about wish granting pixie or sprite or what it actually looked like was a cross between those and a leprechaun.  And this was along with several other cartoon cinematics that at the time resonated with me as cornerstone movies of my childhood but now I don't have that connection with what I remember seeing?  Isn't that so weird and even though I was conscious, sometimes I become totally convinced that something means something super important or I relate to on a almost a religious level at the time of the dream but this happened while I knew I was dreaming?  Anyway maybe past life thing who knows lol,.

Anyway tho being conscious I actually willed this pixie into existing physically with me and not on the screen but no on purpose I think,.  It was just there except it was more like an inanimate doll but I assigned it some sort of intelligence or I believed it powerful in some way it was floating and I think maybe it was just a symbol for something more complex,.  Well it being a symbol of this wish granting pixie or what have you, i began focusing my will on a number of different wishes to make material different ppl and things which I was very much able to accomplish,.

      This isn't big news for probably anyone else but it's something I haven't been super good at in my dream life to will things the way I want them,.  Atleast In astral projections that is definitely the case a lot of time but it does work often enough,.  I just don't ever think to try new things honestly guys!  It's all so fun and so new and so fast that I forget to slow down and try to meditate on different things, even though I'm conscious and in control I would say that my mind is still almost drunk with power and ambition and fun when I am out of body, and just run with it!  I've gone far away into distant strange lands but recently getting back into it I've been mostly practicing getting out succsesfully a lot again but always will fly away from home a good ways into nature sometimes other times I actually go into neighbors houses and stuff like that,.  I'll think of an actual place in my little city and try to approximate where to from my current position it is and try to fly directly to it,.  Sometimes this works!

Ok but anyway sorry for going on a tangent,. There is this,.

Something interesting that happened last night was  I had been facing away from the doll And though of the Incredible Hulk and when I turned around the doll had turned into a big kind of meaty but not quite real still like an effigy of the Incredible Hulk floating a few feet off the ground and a few feet tall and wide,. It still seemed to work the same and so I wished/ willed it back,. I thought about it though and realized this effigy/ doll / symbol was only a tool of my imagination to help me believe that I could make what I want from this world whenever I want and so I left the whole dream situations completely I left the pixie doll and went to go practice just this new found talent,. And look, I know this seems kind of juvenile,.  It's my dreams, duh how could I not already be doing this and practicing it,.  Right?  Well, in short, I have been!  But not to this extent! Definitely not recently, I've been stuck around a block radius of my home for like a year when I actually get out of my body aside from spontaneous times when I'm having lucid dreams and just dreams in general,.  Lately I've just been learning it all over again,.  I've also been experiencing a lot of lucidity within my dreams, more so than usual,. I've not much really experimented with what I can change,. It's mostly just been exploring and doing whatever comes natural or by accident,. If something seems solid I take it for solid if I slipped right through something than, " oh, surprise! Well, that was cool, " and so on,. 

        Anyways, like I've said I've played with expectation thinking say like when I go into this next room there will be women and then I go in and yes plenty of women,. "Just as an example", but I've not much tried to manipulate my immediate foreground,.

Well my son is bothering me to play with roblox ,. Holy moly,. I will be free one day!! Mark my words!

18 years isn't thaaaaaaattt looonggg,. Right? Ya feel me? lol

Much love fam,

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Let me tell you this tho,. In hindsight I have been sucked up into a scene through imagery,. Two times,.

Once I was trying to use visualization like I read from Robert Bruce either going down an escalator or something of a downward motion and you are supposed to try to really feel this motion,.

There is this slide at a Burger King I take my boy to that curves around and it's bright red in there and I've gone down the slide with him a lot I'm the kinda dad that kills himself getting into those death traps of the knees and elbows because I'm a sucker or something idk lol,. Play is very important,.

Anyway I've been sucked into that slide once or twice but it just didn't work as well as my other techniques,. For me personally idk why but I am very naturally gifted in meditation and susceptible to just getting out of body idk why it's very natural for me,. This feels forced but other ppl this is what works,. Other times I've been sucked into scenery by going with my hypnogogia visuals but most of my hypnogogia for some reason or another are just merely ap symptoms as in vibrations and whatnot or spiral color type deals some cryptic symbolism that doesn't make sense but once in a while I get a really weird environment that will suck me up but a lot of the time I'm just not used to it and I jolt out and then proceed to have my more usual type of getting up out of my body deals,.


No ap is greater than another, many ppl swear that phasing into a completely different scene is the only way it works cuz that's all they have witnessed or experienced working for them,. I think it all comes down to preference the way I do it is very tactile and meditative wait and see I don't form any conclusions I only form intent and sense my tactile environment,. Other ppl are very visually oriented and it's ok to try both methods,. I think if you want to be well rounded you should strive for every way you can,. I've never been able to "climb the rope" it just never works it's always forced and I can just naturally get out why waste all this energy I could use on energy mediation and meditation / energy work relax don't work so hard that's what has worked for me,. Soon as I relax the ap comes on.

Stephen/blidge,

So the more you ap the more you realize there is no perfect way to get out of body atleast I feel that way,. I also feel like finding 1 certain way of getting out is a trap,.

Most of the time personally I get out of my physical body I actually very often literally get out of my body and only very rarely does this happen without intent ie spontaneous or do I ap from a dream but It does happen and sometimes I can't ap at all for a while and I'll have a few spontaneous AP's,. I am very very connected to my home because I have a family I created with a wife and born myself a son so I suspect this is why I'm always coming out of my bodily home and *expect* to see them and myself sleeping?

Not sure it's just how it happens for me and things are always very close to exactly the same around my body sometimes if I ap out of bed say my head is facing the door and my vision will get stuck at the altitude or exact place and I can't for the life of me get my dang head to follow my body and it literally hurts,. Or my bed will seem very tall off the ground cuz that's where my head was,.

Sometimes if I lay in bed and meditate we have dvd videos that we watch a lot and if my fiancé is watching one of those videos I will have hypnogogia imagery that I am watching this video as well except the visual of the screen is all I see and it's all new stuff and totally unpredictable doesn't match what is really happening even though I'm watching their mouths make words and I'm following the story, like background effect noise will change what the video is showing say they are talking about exterminating mice but I'm seeing the mice dancing with the main character then a loud crash noise I will literally all of a sudden see a crash scene and the funny thing is I can't tell the difference whether I'm actually watching tv or if I'm having a dream / hypnogogia imagery until after I've come completely awake and laugh about how insanely absurd everything I just witnessed was,.

Ap is a very interesting thing but the strange phenomena you experience around your ap are almost just as telling about the human experience.

The false awakenings are so crazy sometimes,. I had a dream last night as I slept in my ap chair, just happen to be sleeping there cuz I couldn't sleep, That two demonic entities I had been kinda "playing" chase with through out this dream started laughing right behind my head behind the back of my recliner and it scared me so bad ,. Or well it startled me,. They came at me with motion and my consciousness followed them as my consciousness realized it was behind my now sleeping body my consciousness flew threw the back of the chair into my head and my entire body flew through the air with this motion and I rolled and nearly hit the wall lol only to find out this was intact a false awakening I remember sitting on the ground looking at my recliner thinking wtf just happened? And feeling stuck with a bit of fright and my limbs weren't moving well I didn't realize I was either out of body or asleep still?

Wtf?! Lol easy to laugh about now!

Blidge, what I'm talking about Incase you don't understand is everytime in the astral projection when in your house, everytime you turn a corner in your house everything changes slightly then another corner it's changed more then another until you are basically unable to tell exactly where you are or why your room looked exactly the same but your living room has different furniture,. So in many worlds theory in a state of electromagnetic quallibrium this is ax's rly what would happen.

Coincidence ?

Besides the one very first spontaneous projection I had, I practiced twice a day for probably two or three months before anything at all happened even no hypnogogia or anything :/

It really takes a hell of a lot of practice to get real results,. Now one thing I gotta give raduga is this, the non direct method he details. Trying to wiggle out after waking and before moving or opening eyes seemed far easier for your first attempts,. I got a result from that after just a few tries but you have to be practicing a lot already to remember not to open your eyes and don't move when waking up first thing,. Gotta be eating and pooping this stuff for breakfast lunch and dinner to remember at that exact moment so it's not a short cut as he would explain in his book by any means,

The way he details it is like you wanna try an AP without all the hard work, do this,. Which is just not even close to true,.

Nobody gets results in this practice without several months of practice,... I think? Maybe I'm just slow to the game., lol

Off topic,. Xanth, awesome cat pic lol.

I think most people end up ya I g ago to strategy but this is somewhat of a misnomer because the best strategy is no strategy I believe,.

If you try the same thing a lot it may work out sometimes but not merely as much as kind of keeping your possibilities and strategies kind of open ended,. There are a lot of ways to do it,. Tactile, which is in touch and visual which is in sight,. Then there is my favorite, which is where you are in a perpetual state of noticing a lot like mindfulness meditation,. What I do to keep myself focused is meditate my energy above my eyes kind of in the space ppl say the third eye is,. I've noticed when I do this I get the symptom where I hear a gunshot in my head and it cracks or jolts backward and up,. Doesn't hurt mind you, actually feels great along with a bright white light,. And usually this is the first symptom I get before having a conscious exit which is sorta rare,. More often than not my constant attention to my conscious state and sight and feeling will take me in and out of hypnogogia before all of a sudden I am seeing through my eyelids and my hands are invisible and can pass through one another if I check,.( that's really fun by the way) and then I inch my way out of bed kinda cuz there's a lot of pressure on my chest and head a lot of times,. Like there's a thousand lb weight on my face neck and chest lol sometimes I even topple over and can't react cuz everything's heavy in which case I try again,.

Something worth mentioning if you are ever somewhere you don't want to be, close your eye lift your legs and lean back think of your body and you will be there,. I do this often and when I open my eyes I'm still out of body but it COULD put you back into the physical realm.

Everytime you come to a transitional space where you can turn left or right or flip a coin you are creating a parallel reality where the other option was played out in this theory but in the electro magnetic equilibrium energy and density has spread out evenly by the end of time and therefore idk why this is but they say that the parallel situations would get jumbled together and you wouldn't be able to make ends or tails if you are in one consensus reality or another the more times you come to transitional spaces or make left or right or coin flip type decisions and that sounded a lot to me like astral projection,. Maybe the closer you are to your body the less decisions you've made and your mind is having trouble deciding which physical or non physical reality to begin logically interpreting or perhaps your just picking up the sensory brainwaves still when near the body and the more decisions you make to ground yourself in no physical reality the less confused your mind is on which to interpret for you,. Physical or non physical.

That's all just something I've been thinking on for a little while

Edit:  basically, because we are in non physical reality distance doesn't mean anything so I believe the more decisions you make to move away from your physical body is the key to that whole scenario,.

I believe it's William buhlman that says no matter left or right up or down paths and decisions you make it doesn't matter because it is all a straight path deeper and deeper into yourself, you are just interpreting it this way for some reason or another.

When I watched a quantum physics lecture on the many worlds theory I about excrement my pants because what he was describing sounded a lot like astral projection to me,.

If you would like to see the lecture that got me thinking of it let me know,.

So I've been thinking about this,. It's a very tough place to be in, answering this question.

To be completely honest I would be a liar if I said I even knew what the answer was.

There is definitely a correlation between the solidity of things and the stutter like lucidity gettinging stick while close to your body,. But there's variables and one variable is how often are you projecting currently,..

If I project twice a week for a month and then even if I fall off a bit but got that time in initially without taking any breaks from meditation things seem to be much easier on getting out and moving around,.

See a lot of the books I've read will try to explain it like this,.

Example:

You're astral body and the things around your astral body are slightly more semi physical and to account for people whom are very practiced in astral projection their astral body becomes less semi physical as time goes on so they are able to move through walls and such more freely when in close proximity to there body,.

But thing is, I don't know if I want to believe when I'm out of body if I'm semi physical anything at all,. It's non physical consensus reality, how can we put ourselves in a box like this when we speak of it?

We all know everytime we think that we have this figured out something is added to our knowledge that creates a paradox,.

So perhaps that's just it,. It's a paradox,

Has anyone read about the many worlds theory in quantum science?

It says that when a wave or particle collapses it creates a parallel reality and that there are millions of these happening,.

For this to be true they say that at the end of time all of the energy in the universe will be in a state they call electromagnetic equilibrium which means all of the energy has spread out evenly and dissipated and what that means is we would begin jumping realities and you would never know which one you are in,. They say that because someday it will happen than there is a place where this is already happening but they can't find it physically because it's outside of this known universe/ dimension.

The fact that at the end of time time will jump around means somewhere time is already jumping around somewhere someplace but you wouldn't ever know it until the complete energy equilibrium

When I am out of body and everytime I turn a transitional corner or doorway and everything changes a little more than my usually waking reality it reminds me of this theory,.

Perhaps being in close proximity with our body we are more likely to create and experience paradox.

This is something I just thought of and haven't thought on it a whole lot,.

It's not the truth just a cool idea,. The fact of the matter is we all have measured this funkiness in close proximity to the physical body but know one that I know of has really answered it with a definite answer I think the best we can do is guess,.

I don't want to put money on the idea that my literal spirit is leaving my body and I don't wanna say I believe it's all in my head,. Maybe it's both and the funk is just our mind coming to terms with this very thing, trying to give you what sensory perception it can without using any of our normal sensory organs.

I would love to see what others can say on this matter tho!

Yes these comments all complimented each other in such a way, as to give a stream of consciousness vibe,. Could be a comic strip, no?

Haha I was mostly just teasing about the friends thing,. I am just glad some people have great friends, I used to when I was younger, ever since I had my little boy I've kind of felt like there is no time for adult stuff. Don't like to drink anymore or stay up late watching movies, just want to keep the vibe, entertainment, simple and pure around him and most of the friends I had when I grew up we're not good people,.

Will meet some good old boy, wholsome cats one day!

Hahaha I can't even If I tie a steak to my neck I can't get the dogs to plYa with me, and you got friends like that ?