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Remote Viewing training costs so much because it involves so much.
You need a teacher/trainer and a monitor, for 3-6 months.

Remote Viewing is not just off the cuff au natural everyone does it, it's highly disciplined strict training, protocol.

I would recommend, (only), Paul Smith,  RVIS - Remote Viewing Instructional Services, Inc. , Lyn B.,  CRV Training, Services and Resources , or Skip Atwater @ the Monroe Institute, the HRVG, (your best on line for CRV style/structure and free) Hawaii Remote Viewers' Guild0.
PJ's site and list-
Remote Viewing Firedocs Collection - PJ Gaenir's Archives

Thats it.

IMO stay away from the rest and the grandio$e promi$es..
"Tapes" etc. thru the mail.
If you really want to learn RV and are not just out for the freebie handout.. do it, but do it right.
You get what you pay for.


all the best-  Terri~~* (ERV)

Robert ! that is a vile concoction ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
(I knew there was a reason to stop by and visit the forum ))))))))))))))))))))

diluted vegemite with a dash a pepper.. ugggggggggh.

IMO a bit more of the hair of the dog that bit ya to chase down a lovely half pound burrito does the trick followed by another few hours of blissful sleep... and your almost human again. (mackers is a good idea too)

tho I don't know where you find a burrito in WA . . .


 All the best  ~T~


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13.  Finally, if you blow it and end up with a massive hangover, I recommend Vegemite tea, eg, melt a couple of heaped teaspoons of Vegemite in a cup of boiling water, add a dash of pepper and salt and drink.  Take one of these with a couple of slices of toast.  If you can hold this down, drink a few glasses of water with vitamins, asprin and anti inflammarories. Then go back to bed for two hours (don't forget the bucket). You'll wake up reasonably functional.



~T~

ERV is extended remote viewing (so called/named extended coz it took longer) , it worked from an altered state, some would say light to deep trance state.
CRV is worked from an (more) awake state.

~T~

Hiya Donni..

Thanks much for your input.. it's a bright spot

Hugs...

~T~

A writes~But I think we have acertained have we not, that given a definite target and time and task, RV'ing the future is a definite yes?

. . . .  The very near future seems to be the only reliable..  year/s, several months, it goes to pot (not accurate).
A week, 2 weeks is all I will do.

A~Regardless of how the answer is divined.
The big question I have for now, and only respond if you have time and a mind to, is "tasking by coordinates". I understand how the tasker provided targets and objectives with coordinates, but how are the coordinates derived, and how are they applied?
Coordinates are a man made parameter surely - like those on a map? The coordinates I have seen as RV targets seem very random - although they must clearly mean something. If the coordinates were "cosmic" coordinates I could understand it better, but how are RV spatial coordinates as allocated by a tasker contrived and provided in order to enable the RV'er to follow the correct timeline and place?

. . . . . coords originally meant, signified actual coordinates of/on planet earth. Then.. I dunno what changed.. testers, scientists, skeptics, believing/saying the viewers had/could memorize every single longitude latitude coordinate/location of the earth, so just a set of numbers were then used.
It's just intent. A direction.
So what I use what was taught to me is..
the views number (say005) , the number of the session (001), the date.
So when I task I would use,
005 / 001 / 003 / 011 / 2002.
viewer number 005
session number 1
the date is march
11th.
2002.

This is just for my bookkeeping.

I could use XXX/ABC/zed, or purple/pillows/w/pink/polka/dots, for the coords, it maters not, all the coords do is capture my intent.

When a viewer gets a set of coords, the viewer will 'go'(view) absolutely no where else but the intended target site/signal.
(it just works)

The target should be clean, it should be something that stands out or alone. Definite, defined, attractive. It should be fairly unique, distinct .. e.g., if you tasked the Taj and viewer describes a white domed building, what says viewer was not describing the capital building in Washington DC, USA? (thats beginners)

(I might also add that with ERV you can move the viewer all over during session, the whole target is there from the get go, the rest is eating the elephant one bite at a time (pulling the target appart bit by bit))

Then you can move to events.
I as a rule start in present time and have the viewer give me, describe environmentals. Then when I am satisfied that viewer is on target,  I simply move (re-task) the viewer back to the event (my intent/direction) or just tell the viewer something will catch your attention (my intent), tell me about it.
I give them the second set of coords then holding my/next intent/ion.
005 / '002' / 003 / 011 / 2002.

e.g. I use the great quake in San Francisco Calif, USA.
I bring the viewer in 5 minutes before the event, the quake.
The viewer can come in any place in San Francisco, where ever they are attracted to, that's their own choice, their own attraction.
I have them describe the environmentals, get solidly locked on target, when I am satisfied, then move them to the event (shake rattle and roll).

I task  (move advanced students) the ark of the covenant.. I task viewers to the location present time (even if tasker doesn't know the actual location) and have them describe, then I move them.. to the ark.
just with coordinates.
Just with my intent.
A trained viewer will move to the signal.

It gets more complex and defined after that, you can work tasking all sort of ways, just all sort of wonderful ways, I can hold a viewer very very tight, locked on to a very small tiny minuscule narrow area location object or time frame.
You/I could task/target a coin on my front yard and have the viewer tell me if it's heads up or tails/down..
You can "shrink" the viewer down to the molecular and have them attach certain colors to certain shapes/structure and describe/draw a molecular construct.

You can also include in your basic tasking a sub target.  That means when I task a target, another will surface (also).
That's a bit advanced (and sometimes mind bending).

It's all my intent and direction, it's all mine every nuance.
I use all of me, and the viewers skills, knowing the viewers that I worked with (sometimes training them), viewers are not all alike, many have different strong points etc..
Sometime I just think it's genius, it's amazing.
A well trained viewer and monitor are an amazing team.

So now you have read and read, now would be the time to get trained. Training, actually working RVing, explains sooooooooooo many aspects, more than you'll ever get outa books. Then go on to teach it, this really brings RV full circle, into perspective.
Learn it, then put the shoe on the other foot (total mind/brain/viewpoint flip flop), trade places and have to put into words and use/duplicate/teach what you have been thru/know, it really clarifies the (RV) picture.

Like I told you before, simple..
it's just magic Adrian ..

~T~

Random number generators and just all and any and every sort of applications (pre-cog aka future) and experiments have been used for the past 20 years or more, near 30 years perhaps (by viewers, taskers, scientists, PhDs, everyday folks on the net) .. Read, hun, read, a lot of it (studies)are public documents.

As I have written before, I very often pre-view (pre-cog) my targets, I view the target befor I am tasked. I always hit.
Years ago I intentionally publicly posted my session/work to a net list it's called Innerlight, I let a fella task me, but before I agreed I had already viewed his target, so... (in playing around with him, his mind (cuz he thought he was *hot stuff* and was gonna "test" me)) I sent him the session then told him to go ahead and give me the coords.. he was confused as hell.

(IMO it's just working time as a circle or figure

(y'all come back now...


Enjoy!

~T~

A~There is no doubt from what you that the term "Remote Viewing" is a misnomer. It should more correctly be "Remote Perception" or perhaps "Remote Sensing" as it appears to be interpretaive rather than visual.

. . .  okie dokie   dear Adrian, I suggest you take your complaint/ suggestion to Ingo direct.
If you read, when you read, you will read that when the term was coined it was the best descriptive they could/did come up with at the time, and it just stuck. At the time NO ONE was borrowing on the term no one knew of the term, no one/public knew of the process/practice/skill so when the term surfaced.. most folks in general were saying "what is that?"
and
now
the
term
has
become
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catch
all
phrase
that ...

now.... *just everyone does "it"* and loves to argue/discuss.
You will also read (RV history), in retrospect some of the guys think/say that the title Remote Sensing would have been a better title, BUT remote sensing is something the US govt did/does with satellites, etc., so that title was already taken, and means officially something quite different.
The name SCANATE (once a title for the unit) meant scan coordiantes.
Maybe it should have been called that??
Will that please the uneducated masses??


A~It also seems to me that "Remote Eye Vision" might be extremely useful as a seperate discipline. If it is possible to acquire the same information as for RV, but from a visual rather than interpretative feedback, that has to be a logical extension.

. . . . Yes, could very well be, but . . . RB's technique as I recall required staying up all night and being dog tired. So IMO this maybe a bit of a hassle, and not all that convenient.
And I don't know if RB has ever tried this on a blind targeted site.
As I have said before, I have never seen an OOBer make (arrive at, locate) a blind target, a real time present time location let alone a past timeline or future.
OOB is too.... in the eye, unto the eye, of the beholder.
It's (a good deal of the time) subjective/reactive/stimulus response usually to the OOBers own mind and beliefs.
The best OOBer I have worked with was a young fella, several years back (pre RB and AD) and what he would do was write the target/coords/locale/idea on a large piece of white paper, placed on his bedroom wall and when he OOBed he would dive thru the paper and arrive at the destination.
(but he never made a blind target)
BUT.....
would I just love/thrill to be able to do what he does.. you betcha.
But as it was his idea, his conceptual, his creation, it worked for him because he believed it so, and so it is..

Nope, I take that back... I have worked one on one, face to face, neck and neck with another OOBer, but hands down this was the best ever..
nah, not the best, but friggin beautiful smooth controlled genius.
I have told RB of some of my co-experiences with this person, **verifyable** (and that's the kicker), I don't think RB can explain it either.
The only thing I know is this person is very advanced, and highly disciplined, highly accurate, very astute. A developed rigid disciplined intent I think is the key factor.


A~Likewise with bi-location - no one can doubt the feedback obtained from actually being there
The main question goes to the other threads I guess - whereas RV can be used to sample, sense, percieve etc. time as well as space - does the same apply to Remote Eye Vision, bi-location etc.?

. . . . . . Remote Eye Vision/Perception is hard to induce, and I assume and only a very few could master it. Same with bi-location, it's a once in a while thing/experience, neither of the above states are dependable, nor on demand (for the vast majority).
RV is, it is basically worked from a wide awake state, can be worked anywhere, any time any place.
If and when you read, JoeM explains (his viewpoint) the difference between OOB and RV and why he chose or chooses RV.
I think this is in his first book.. OR he told us during the Monroe Inst. Gateway Program, but I think he wrote it..
With an OOBE he can (e.g.) *be* in a room, see/pass thru the walls doors windows, a table. With OOB he can look under the table and see the label or sticker/logo/imprint and see where it was made.
With RV you know the table and *know* it's history.
(He also said the OOB state was hard for him (to induce, let alone master on demand/command), took over a year for the first one as I recall)

(with IMO/E RV, you can *know* (and describe) the craftsman-men maker designer history of the table.
You can know where/timeline/era/locale/environment it was made.
You can know the tools used.
You can know the wood.
You can know the forest.
You can know the tree.
You can know the friggin seed it sprang from)

Infinitely more detail (info) via RV.
And RV is much easier to work and teach and learn.
Anyone (IMO) can RV with proper instruction and practice and discipline.

All the best..   Terri

The construction of the pyramids and stonehenge are unverifiable targets/timeline, any sessions worked will have to wait for the future (till we figure it out) to verify the past. (to be considered RV sessions/hit/miss)
Newgrange is unverifiable but an awesome target/experience to work, all of Ireland is.
Cashel is another great target.

I worked several (blind/dbl blind) sessions for RB, he verified them, the first was the death/event of his son, at the end of the last session I started thinking/writing/knowing in "baby talk".. "Owie" I think was the word I wrote.
I hated the feedback, knowing what I was describing, I was shocked that someone would task me on that, it kinda tore me up, I never told RB that, I told the tasker tho.
It helped I hope, Ben (RB's second son)..
Another target I viewed for them, RB and tasker (Keith), was RB's first Kundalini rising.. I think.. as I recall at the end I encountered some entities, 4, I correctly named or identified 3 of them.. Jesus, Buddha. who else.. I forget, Mohammed?
Krishna.. something.. I don't have the session's, Keith and RB may.
I also viewed some for Donni... Biami and ummmmmmm the Opal Dreaming I think.. I don't have those sessions either.. She may.
Ummmmmmm also a missing person for RB, some young man in Yugoslavia? I forget. I got he was dead, accident, and I guess I correctly drew the location of the mishap, and I correctly described the/fact missing deceased/male/body, I was totally blind, all I knew was it was a missing person, not gender nor area/country/where/why/how/what.

All of that work was verified by RB, my husband/tasker/Keith, and Donni on TheDonni sessions, I was blind to all of the tasks and in some or most cases the tasker was blind.

So I guess if you want in your opinion first hand trusted reliable info, ask them how verifiable the RVed past is..

On the other hand...






















      you have different fingers.




 ~T~

From Adrian; There is much more to Remote Viewing than meets the eye - forgive the pun [] And who is to say that Robert's Remote Eye Perception isn't the same, related or superior even?

Because i've spent many an evening with RB and talked, and I have viewed several targets for RB and he now knows how RV differs from his Remote Eye Perception experience.

No, I don't consider Farsight RV, it's ummmmm I dunno, just not mainstream. he was taught by Dames I think.. (to each his/her own)
As I recall he/they use frontloading and view unverifiable targets.. what good/use is something unverifiable, except in the eye of the beholder?
No, I disagree as to the images, RV is NOT visual, any visual is declared, set aside as AOL, and in AOL (analytical overlay) drive or joy riding your out of session..
RV is sensual, it's more like sensual perception and impressions.
It's descriptive (usually single words), it's not designed for labeling and identifying.
At best any (rare) flash image is shadowy and grainy like a shadow land (of the real, all details not included).
Any viewer will tell you this.
Your not seeing the site with 'real' eyes, your not 'there' as the viewer, nor bi-locating, your describing a signal.

I don't want to sit and answer each and every questions, there are plenty of sites to educate yourself with,  
Firedocs Remote Viewing : FAQs Q&As Manuals et al.
http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/answers/
http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/answers/crvmanual/gaenir01.html

What IS Remote Viewing? ~ Paul H. Smith
http://www.irva.org/RV.shtml
History of Remote Viewing ~ Paul H. Smith
Remote Viewing and IRVA  
A Scientist's Overview:    

Read Ingo and Joe M's site/book.

Start with the guys who made, actually created RV, coined the term and definition, and the why's where's and how's.
Then read the outliers if you like, but get your basics down first, the real stuff, the truth/factual from the guys who were there.   

Dunno what else to say.. no RV is not cliquish, no more than anything else, and OOBer I assume wants to be known or referred to, labeled an OOBer and not an APer nor bilocationer, or a/the dread RVer or remote en-vision-er. A clairvoyant definitely wants to be called a clairvoyant (clear seeing).
A Shaman, a Shaman, and not is not termed an empath.
Most skilled folks hang about within a common group and are fairly defined.
Nothing cliquish, just like attracts.
IMO RV doesn't need to be fixed nor improved, aka... if it ain't broke no need to fix/alter it.

You/I/someone wants to alter or reinvent new words to describe your method/protocol, go ahead but call it something else with respect/regards to those you got the/basic ideas/premise from.

Enjoy your journeys... Terri

~T~

Adrian writes;
I am not sure that verifiability is too much of an issue is it?

. . . .I'm kinda confused here, verifiability, just the main issue, that's what RV was developed for.
Accuracy.
To qualify for it to be per definition Remote Viewing there must be verifiable feedback (somewhere sometime), otherwise your what? just psychically seeing *stuff* and no one knows if it's true or false, or what the heck your seeing or doing, or even the why..
(Channeled data?? of/for what good or use?)
(Why would you/one put all the money/manpower/research/years into something, if it wasn't verifiable, it was developed for spying initially, so what good/use/worth is bogus data-if your spying (?)


A~
After all, if an RV'er sees a specific future happening, in accordance and connected with a pre-defined target, and the happening subsequently comes to pass as previously viewed, then is is surely verifiable?


. . . .  Yes this is verifiable..
kinda confused here to/what your questions are.
(But keeping in mind there is no actual seeing with RV practice,no grand visual scene unfolds, RV is sensual, involves the senses, seeing like a blind man (feeling/knowing/describing descriptive) there is no labeling, identifying from the viewer, it's just a descriptive process).
If the viewers session data is verified a day or week in the future then its a hit, a verifiable remote viewing session equals a hit.



A~Especially so if this is reproducable.
I am not talking about large scale global situations, over very long time spans or future projections for the planet or universe, but rather a very specific focus, on a very specific, symbollically identifiable factor,

. . . . (whats a symbolic identifiable factor?)
very little if any symbolism in RV.
The specific focus would be the target site? or the tasking?

A~
say a maximum of 24 hours into the future.
After all, isn't scientific RV just that for the most part? Being provided with symbolism, coordinates etc., and viewing the associations?

. . . . viewing the associations. . . (?)
Viewing the signal?
scientific remote viewing..
SRV? Is that the Dames/Dourif concoction? That's not considered main stream remote viewing, SRV is not even considered actually.
The coords represent/designate a/the signal (line) is all.
The viewer receives a set of coords.
The viewer describes (usually single word descriptive) what data or information s/he receives.
This is usually done (written up) in or keeping in/with a certain session structure.


A~ This would be simpler, the target and focus is known,

. . . . . You mean to know what the target/site/objective is?
no and never.
Frontloading is death to an RV session.
All RV is worked blind.
(Viewer never knows what a target/subject/location is)
If the viewer is not blind to the target site, their mind will do the talking/directing (fill in and provide details, and the left brain/analytical, is almost always wrong) Your thinking rational mind will almost always fookle you up, your analytical is subjective and  stimulus/responsive, that's why OOBers dont usually do well in regard to .. ummmmm... trying to target and/or reach a blind targeted site, I've never seen an OOBer reach/contact a signal target site, RV takes a lot of discipline, it takes a lot of practice, it's very structured, the etheric is very subjective and reactive, it aims to please)


A~ the only factor to be viewed is the status of that definitive target 24 hours hence.
I would be most interested to hear your further views on that one []
   
   
. . .  yes, a tasker could task and re-task a specific site/object/person a bit in the future and have viewer work this/these sessions over and over, daily weekly etc.
That's what's known as tagging (on to a site or person).

Read JoeM's first book on RV.
Stay away from the outliers in the field.
There is Joe, Skip, Paul and Lyn, the rest are afterwards, after the fact, they are recent concoctions after the fact.
RV works it doesn't need to be altered or changed.
RV was designed for a specific reason (accuracy ).
It is awesome as it stands.
Many folks have grandiose dreams of pushing that window even wider, IMO, you then loseRV and have something else.   
If something else (fringe development) is reliable dependable accurate/duplicatable/teachable then by all means call it something else.

I think you said earlier something about something RB discovered, some source of info or knowledge, IMO this is perhaps what Ingo Swann (acknowledged father of RV) called the Matrix.
(read his WWWsite also,
just the RV stuff,
not the goofy stuff, ET's and such, or read the ET/alien stuff, it's just not my cup of tea, too "out there" and unverifiable for my taste, once your out of RV state everything becomes personally subjective and objective).

Have fun...  Terri

Per the definition of RV it needs to be verifiable.
If the target or session is not verifiable, it's not RV.
Past is fairly verifiable, and anything else the viewer gathers is just anything else, discoveries in the future may prove the past (thus may prove or validate a session) .. the future is very iffy and is not, does not qual as RV until it comes to pass.. IMO and experience the future (viewing) is only fairly stable/ accurate about, around a week or two in advance. I don't care what anyone says this has proven out over and over.. some RVers (some of the best) have stuck their necks out with some (published) predict.. I have never seen anything come to pass.. yet.
But/and I'm not holding my breath.
The past is easy, very easy, it's also highly verifiable.
There is a time line out there, it's very easy to lock onto a specific signal, everything leaves a signal, an imprint, a shadow, a trail. Any embellishment ummm addition,fabrication of fact/s non factual, past lets say.. would be considered TOL, (telepathic overlay) from the tasker/monitor, AOL (analytical overlay) from the viewer, and there is such a thing as viewing the feedback..

RemoteViewing is used for verifiable stuff.. when some folks hype it up as something else.. well it's something else but not  Remote Viewing.

What has come to pass, zippo, nothing, nada .. none of the prophets or seers.. Cayce, Nostra.. who else Sister somebody.. the bible.. has anything ever come to pass? The only thing I have my eye on now is the calendar the Maya and the Egyptian, they seem to end here shortly.. could be interesting IMO.

   Terri


Does anyone here (Terri?) have any experience with time RV'ing, and in particular forwards - as that hasn't happened yet in the physical real-time zone, and cannot therefore be contrived retrospectively? Historical RV's can easily be influenced by the existing knowledge of the RV'er of the event, and embellished - subconsciously of course. The future, even tomorrow, hasn't happened yet in the RT zone, and so any pre-cognitive results and predictions which could be verified 24 hours later after it had occured is much more significant.
   

Hiya... for most of us, the Irish at least,we just chalk it up to magic.. Joe's a Scott


(RV has been thougtandthoughtand thought and thought/talked/discussed/tested on and about forever it seems.. it works, anymore is trying to reinvent the wheel IMO)
 Terri

Hello Teri
I think what adrian meant was that the knowledge about how RV works
could be be improved by the information Robert has gathered in various other areas. I have read a number of books on Remote Viewing
which offer a idea as to how they believe it works, after reading astral dynamics i did actually think that it would be beneficial for some of the authors to read Roberts work. In one of the chapters of Astral Dynamics it describes something which flows throughout the universe and is constantly around you. This contains information
on everything. Maybe this is what McMoneagle meant when he described in Mind Trek that it was like connecting to an information source which he searched using various criteria.


Darren Beck



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Sounds pretty neat,'unique', stay with it and see what comes..

Terri

I wasn't trying to imply that I am that interesting and that someone would want to view me. I was just curious because I see stuff, at different times such as: little flashes of light, shadows and like a degraded transporter beam, not sure how to explain it (but its sparkling, this is with my eyes open. Just wondering what some of this stuff is, thats all.


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Hello DJ ...

(IMO/E Adrian, RV does not need improving, but general info on the subject does. By your statement your invalidating (making little of) near 30 years of scientific research (verified validated) and hard work by dozens of skilled, brilliant folks.)

Robert doesn't know anything about RV to my knowledge, he stumbled on something he called/named/labeled remote eye perception, an impressive personal skill IMO, he considered this close to RV perhaps (he didn't quite understand/comprehend what RV was at that time), and or but that (remote eye perception) is quite another ball game altogether.

quote unquote Remote Viewing is not visual.
You must be taught or trained,
it is not a natural occurance.

I would recommend the HRVG currently.
(http://www.hrvg.org)
They teach their version, their "method"  via the net, and free.
I don't back or support them as such, but they (seem to) stay on the straight and narrow i.e. they produce sessions (hits), or their trained viewers do..

Read all McMoneagles books, Skip Atwater has one out now also.
These are the legit folks.
Ingo(Swann) has some massive site also, lots of data (the acknowledged father of RV).

IMO stay away from the glitz and glamour hype/sites, Dames , Moorehouse, O'Donell, Carr, Brown/farsight, SRV, TRV etc etc etc blah blah blah.. it's goof ball stuff, it's distortions I guess..

But to each his own adventure.

Happy trails..

Terri,
 old school,
 trained in ERV by one in the old US military unit,
 the real stuff by the real thing..

Well, Winged one, I think your "RV" experience could be labeled or termed a BI-location experience. If 'you' "outbounded" , bounded out to somewhere.. that smacks of bi-location, don't yah think? being present, perceiving, in two locations at once? or was it an OOBE or a wake induced OOBE?  
Or quite simply as you stated a telepathy experiment that worked.
That after all is or was the point of your telepathy experiment, to report accurate data telepathically ?
The outbounder term is RV terminology, but it refers to sending a person (a beacon or transmitter), the outbounder, to the site/target/location and having the (removed, remote, not present, blind) viewer/s recieve/describe the/a signal from the 'outbounder' .

With RV you must be trained number one, it's not natural, but clairvoyance and say bi- location, OOBE can be, spontaneous.
And, that you have recieved no formal RV training... I expect your doing, experiencing, something else and are borrowing the descriptive terminology.

I think the term RV has become a catch all term, and psychics, seers, readers, channelers, lucid dreamers, bi-locationers, clairvoyants, OOBers now 'borrow' the term, and not the other way around, RVers didn't borrow the or an 'existing'  term from the psychic population in general, the term RV was not even (public) all that used or popular or in use till the Stargate(data) was released/declassified, around 1990-5. From the original unit the label of "Remote Viewer" and protocol came into existence and was coined. The term stemmed from that unit, it was not in common general usage.

With an RVer, the viewer goes no where, (no bi-location or OOBEs, viewers BTW are schooled to stay FULLY in-body) they describe a signal (line), they don't SEE the signal they sense/receive/observe it, home in on it, it, they are NOT the signal, not actually present at the real time event as it happened or happens.

If your listening to a radio broadcast your getting the sound of what is occurring some-where-else, your not there "first person" in person, in/at the studio. Your receiving the effect. You can receive that effect at any time or place over and over and over (say.. if that broadcast has been recorded). If your watching a movie, your certainly not on location during the filming, your experiencing a signal broadcast.

No RVers certainly don't look down their noses at other PSI skill/talents they are as in awe and admiration as any one else.
(They do get very tired of other PSI skills borrowing/trading on their or the label and coined definition of RV tho)

Thing is when trained in RV CRV or ERV, it can be worked almost anywhere any time, it's not a fluke or happenstance, it's a scientifically tested and approved developed protocol, not owing to any super PSI (sometime) ability or phenomena.
It's not iffy, a passing fancy, its just there (dependable) everytime, and you just do it (work it) and the accuracy rate is far higher and detailed than any other au natural PSI skill.

You don't "have *an* RV", as you stated.
You work a session....
blind to the target site,
that you have been tasked to and you have a monitor to monitor you during session (keep you in session/on signal/in structure).
You follow (taught/learned)protocol, have a rigid structure for session report and you are highly disciplined and you discard or set aside (declare) (don't use) any visual-s.

You, personally Winged Wolf, can have an every once ina while experience where you find yourself in one location and find yourself viewing (seeing actually) at another location removed from yourself. I.e. you can be at home in Main St, USA, and see something in Siberia.
With the term RV now become a catch all some right away jump on the band wagon a say *remote view*, and per a dictionary definition you were and are in a remote location removed from the site, but in effect for whatever reason you were seeing via some etheric phenomena. So remote, removed, dis-located/location or bi-seeing is in effect?

RV should have been labeled or formally named, remote sensing or remote sensual perceptions.. but even that would have been borrowed, plagiarized, also.

That's about all I can say, if you don't comprehend or duplicate what I have written.. well I don't know how else or what else to explain, and there are plenty of WWW sites to read on.
RVcan't be blocked or shielded, time space distance has no effect on the viewer or signal.

You (personally) could say you had a ..
"from remote/removed location I had a visual perceptual/etheric experience at/of a remote removed area object event from I in real time physical, that was confirmed and verifiable" ..
you could coin the term or above, labeled abbreviated
an "FRRLIHAVPEEAOARRAOEFIIRTPTWCAV"..

or you could just say, I was successful, I am talented, I saw/experienced telepathically and it was verified, I had a strong hit on the targeted site, I am very pleased with myself, happy and that was fun!.

If your not a trained remote viewer you can't really discuss, categorize, comment, pass judgement on RV with me or others.

I am not a natural or trained, verified, tested, telepath/empath, so I can't really discuss (knowledgeably) that subject with you and or others..

So..
Are you Winged Wolf a "Remote Viewer" or are you borrowing some descriptive, or just 2 common words that fit from a dictionary?

Why can't RV be blocked??
I AM TALKING ABOUT "Remote Viewing" not every other, any other, some other, PSI skills.
Because the viewer is describing a signal line, viewer is NOT actually (located) on/at tgt/site in present/past time in-a-body or etheric.
You can't block or cover a signal.
It just doesn't seem to work.
It doesn't work.
It has not worked.
I would say it won't work, can't work.
A "block" is basically bogus crapola carved outa and by fear(usually unfounded) and control, and just usually indicates a need for education or information on a subject..
The signal is already there same as anything else en-physicall-ed, had no clue or concept anyone would ever come in for a listen.. and signal doesn't give a hoot anyway.
You/site or the event don't/won't even know your being RVed and described..
because "your" not, your signal. (or astral etheric residual imprint/signal is targeted signal).
how would some event (i.e. building of the pyramids) block it's self..
or some big time hood (terrorist) know he/she was being tagged/monitored, IT'S the signal they broadcast, residual energy, a shadow land of sorts(like the neagtive of a film or photo), an/a slight impression of the event.. linear/level/flat/time/space/event/continuum/hologram-fic/temp;file;can't delete, everyone/everything broadcasts/emits an energetic signal, leaves behind a fingerprint ..

or so it seems now,

don't it ))))))))))))))))

~T~

Hi Dog Face, Winged Wolf, Hi Inguma . . . .


With regard to OOBE's/altered states of perceptions, dreams,  why shure you can run into other folks or they into you, that's no biggie.. Is another OOBer "spying" or visiting you, I have no clue.. compare notes.

I met an E-friend of mine years back, I "saw him" in an (hemi sync) altered state, then I wrote him.. described him and the setting etc..

No, there is no way to block a remote viewer, no way/shape or form, or any form or shape or shield ....

A remote viewer is not defined as just any ole some(one) merging (happenstance) into someone else (viewing/seeing), or a clairvoyant, or a shaman or OOBer, mystic, psychic, bi-location,  psionics etc etc etc.

Are you referring to being "Remotely Viewed"? Defined as someone-thing from a location removed, remotely located ( from yourself-beingness) ?? perhaps?

A remote viewer is trained.
(By Skip, Paul, Liam,Gene,Lyn, Joe)
if you don't personally know those names forget it. (RV)
A remote viewer is tasked blind/double/trip blind to target.
A view has a tasker and a monitor, follows specific/scientific/approved protocol and stays in a structure.
All of this takes quite some time, (formal training) practice and discipline then more practice.
It's not something casual or off the cuff, nor is it au natural.
RV is taught.

If someone is RVing you, basically  a third party has targeted you.
(are you this interesting?)
the third party would then find a (trained/experienced) tasker/blind,  (trained) monitor/blind (monitors are rare as gold... maybe 15 on this planet..) and a (trained) viewer.
(That's a lot of work)
The viewer would then remote view a signal line, the tasking, the coordinates, blind to task.

Another point is.. no you won't know if your being RVed..
The viewer is NOT there with a target or "person", RVer is on "signal line".
The Rviewer is NOT there onsite, she/he(viewer) is *describing* a signal line.

now if some entity or... spirit, or whatever is visiting you, yeah I expect you would know if you are so attuned..

My self....
I always welcome etheric visitation with open arms, they are amazing to experience, and quite rare, quite the treat IMO.

Another question.. why would you object to being remotely viewed..

heck...
I (me myself and I) am as wide open and un-hidden/un blocked as the grand canyon..

come do me.

Y'all are welcome anytime.

BTW... "Remote Viewing" has become a catch all term...
but the definition isn't.

Regards....   MATRIX (ERVer/extended remote viewing)
Terri aka

~T~

Hiya . . .

(At one point) I heard noises, sounds, words, song, radios, TVs, telephones ringing, movie dialogue a few times, couldn't figure it out, it made no sense (nonsense), dismissed them. Last night I got a huge sound like an explosion, it startled the heck outa me completely woke me up (alpha/theta state) I thought the roof had caved in )))))))).

If you watch the movie Contact,
As she is traveling out (or in) she is suffering massive vibrations (until she unhooks from physical construct). As she travels (thru denser closer regions) she encounters human thought and words (compounded gibberish).. the further/away/ longer she travels these die out, fade.

Monroe has a term the H band (level) it is human(chaos) emotion thought etc, its thick heavy loud, it's close to the earth, surrounds it like a dirty haze (3-d description), after you've been there done that (know this area) you avoid it, or pass thru it very quickly.

IMO as we are going in-to-out-of-body (shifting), we can pass thru noisy levels, based/merged close-er to in-physical state-s, it is distracting and more physical (denser) feeling.

The noise is just phenomena (common) but don't get stuck there, keep going trust your self, you'll survive.
Just a learning experience IMO.

~T~

Hiya . . .
After a while pretty much all has been said and done.. and written.

I like/respect Buhlman always have, he was published (book) before RB so I have followed him for quite some time.. prior to RB/AD.

i.e. RB uses the words skins, Buhlman uses the word membranes.

Now with my OOB experiences before ever even hearing of Buhlman I used the same descriptive. (membranes).

Now I know for certain Buhlman did not "copy" me, I had only mentioned the word to a very few close friends in the past many years.

In the beginning of ch10 (Secret of the Soul) Buhlman writes.. " This chapter will introduce you to the wide variety of currently practiced methods for initiating OOB exploration."

Personally I like rocking and roll out, that's how I used to execute the/all OOBEs when I was 4-5-6-7-8- years old (1958-9 etc) .. now did Bob Monroe/RB/Buhlman "copy me" with later reference/writings to this..

Nah..
just common OOB phenomena they beg common descriptive.

Now I like an etheric swing and sway or whirlpool
/tornado effect..
By golly someone has stolen my technique again.. I see it many OOB books...

)))))))))))))) (nothing serious)

~T~

Hiya..
OOB is more/highly visual state (subject to massive reality or belief fluctuations,  (less control of/for accuracy).
RV is sensual,not visual (sensual as involving all your senses, a knowing in effect and purely descriptive).

It also hard for an (most)OOBer to target a site and RV directly targets a site/siginal line for description.

It much easier to teach RV than OOB, and much easier to go into an RV session than to induce an OOB.. With RV (awake) you'll bounce around in (beta)alpha, with most OOBers their in theta (a-sleep/deeper state/less control).

I have never heard of an OOBer or RVer say either or is dangerous, nothing dangerous about either skill, just a bunch of woo woo hype

~T~

Hahahaha.. Yes, (!!) your J is/was/is IMO quite talented, some would say an advanced skill.
This is hard (creative), it takes a lot of discipline and energy, requires trust and agreement on both ends(IMO)..
I have experienced the very same via the most talented person, freiend/teacher I have ever known or heard of.
I had only first hand knowledge of one other who could do this, prior to your post.
(Linking) Sharing anothers... beingness and space (OOB, co-dreaming, (co)creating), the mind and spirit have or are many levels or layers, (self)guarded would be the descriptive I guess. We even tho not awares, we are very hard to get into , so even if we say yes on the outside we may say no inside on or at another level and visaversa. We are amazing pieces of work, akin to looking thru a glass onion

(you wrote) "Anyway, J told me he had to have permission from me before he could enter my mind/dream. He told me there are portals that go to other planes. I have never remembered going through one but I think they exist."

What J describes as portals some would call levels, layers barriers/containments, (controlling factors).. apertures.
(IME the energy(vibration) just gets finer and finer, the more in-ward you go or shift, the more 'one' (all) you become or match. Some will place (create/belief/believe) hoops and rings to jump thru (i.e. portals, levels, colors, etheric plane/divisions), others like myself do away with that and just merge/blend thru what I call a barely there if at all membrane(effect), it's just a difference of sensory energy feel/perception.

That you never remember going thru any of the portals indicates to me that they were (of) his belief structure, and it also indicates to me( based on personal experience) that he was the (main) dreamer. (and pulling you along). All of this is done OOB IMO. He being the dreamer would have the better or greater recall of the 'dream' as actually it was of his creation, origination, and you were coming along for the experience, the ride, also he could have 'linked' and let you take the lead, make the creation, the "dream", still.. his skill are what enable the experience.

The co"dreams" should be verifiable, they are quite vivid and a pristine energetic realer than real quality.
You can also communicate 'there', and recall it here, the communication surfacing much like a subliminal for the receiver.

I enjoyed your post, thanks for sharing
yes it's true and verifiable in real time, either between the two parties involved or uninvolved (blind) 3 parties,  individual reports could be sent to the 3rd parties for evaluation.

Some would call this the dreaming space some would call it co-OOBE's.


~T~

(Again) Yes Astral meeting (group target location-s) are held, quite a large group of us "Monroers" (Monroe Institute grads) have been doing it for years every Thursday night.....

As a rule we "shift" move, phase, vibrate, (personally I catch the wave) whatever you want to call it,  on to one of R Monroe's focus levels and meet and greet, do whatever compare notes afterwards.

Astral planes /levels as I experience them (my/a different perspective or belief) are more akin to a membrane, (it seems to resist or contain (solid stable) at first, but on the other hand not really.. illusion)  they can be, (actually just pushed thru when you get the hang of it), merged thru, meshed with, shifted thru, rolled thru, matched.. sometimes I run into what I call a torus (donut tube) to a worm hole. That stuff is kinda solid again, but again 'not really'. (belief/illusion/perspective).

Push yourself, beliefs and limits most give way quite easily, not too much really solid 'out there'.

(energy) Lines grids/ seem everywhere if your perspective is focused on or below construct. (you are definitely OOB and more, out of bodies perhaps)
They are around the planet/ planets, they are everywhere.
Around the planet they are thick to thin then thick again, then astral levels or constructs seem to have endless ones stretching beyond distance.
If you find yourself, get stuck in one (the flat lands) and are very perceptive (sensual feeling) you can push thru to the next and many times the energy flow, is flowing opposite, or reversed.
Color experience, impression will range from geometric (and I didn't say geometrics in color), to void, de-void, rapid flows with sparkly bits (energetic movement/flux).. flat-ness to and all the while 360degree height width compounded and everything compounds upon everything.. and it's all realer than real.

Entering another person real time or dream time, mind time, etheric..
I call it, laying in.
You (can) target the person, then match the or their vibrations, you sink into them, softly match them, breathe with them, you share space with them. You are merged with them, you know them, you know you, you are very close to almost one, you don't really know where one begins and the other leaves off...
The best way to practice this is (daily) with verifiable feedback, some seemed more skilled than others, for me it came very easily.

If you want to do anything or get anywhere, for me it's easiest to (just) match the vibrations of the target.
(I become it and it... comes to me)
A target can be anything a belief, a person, event (OOB), a real time location, a non local  (any etheric) (belief).

Just my experience..  ~T~

~T~