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#1
Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Cursed?
April 03, 2003, 12:08:08
Hello

Here I'll pose the question: How can one tell if he has come under a curse(perhaps as an individual, or as a part of a family thing)?

Indications, signals or benchmarks to watch for?

There are many explanations, ranging from the old "One does it to himself" harangue to the Darwinistic "not selected for survival or dominance within the species" explanation, or the related "pure genetics" thing, and mixtures of all those.  But could there be something more involved?  

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#2


Hello everyone

I was coming out onto the city street today and had to get into the left lane quickly to make my turn, which I did reasonably and successfully.  However, a pickup truck (I drive a medium sized sedan) that had just pulled in from a nearby intersection did wind up behind me and was, as it turns out, making the same left turn.  I had to wait a bit for traffic to clear and turned as soon as I could, as any sensible person would do.  We're talking having my foot off the brake and ready to go before the last car was past and all that good stuff.  Fine, right?  But this guy behind me in the truck beeps as I'm making my move.  So I'm thinking, "Who does this jerk think he is?  He'll problably tell his buddies that I wouldn't have turned if he hadn't beeped, the ^%#$&%^$&." So after completing the turn I slow down a little extra to spite him, but then he pulls in behind a line of cars accross from a fire station.  

So then I start thinking that here might be a fireman, problably an expert in making left turns in heavy traffic with bare millimeters to spare, impatient at my average Joe driver judgement call, on account of being filled with a firefighter's unique type of 9-11 anniversary emotions.  Maybe I should just understand that.  So the guilt starts in.  Not for long though, for by the time I reach home parking, a minute later, I'm mad at the $**&^*$%#% again.

As I get out of my car, I finally catch myself and remind myself with the phrase, "This is the crap I've gotta transcend."  That whole string of emotions and that urge to avenge or spite someone.

In addition, the horn was wimpy for a pickup truck anyway, so maybe it was coming from the radio. (It was carrying a report live out of New York City, where a person who doesn't wear out a horn every year is problably felt guilty of a high crime.)

You know, in situations like this, which happen all the time in traffic, it is hard to make like some kind of Tibetan monk who levitates himself out of sheer peacefulness.  

But it does do things to a person's energy, and it seems to me, does call for transcendence.  There is also baggage with this.  Being called "slow" has been a sore point with me since around the age of 6 or 7.  I get a little paranoid about people trying to declare me inferior, which adds to my anger whenever things like that happen.  (Some of you may remember that "Their holy privilege but not yours" thing from the PSD forum a while ago.)

This sort of thing seems like a blocker to energy work.  Are there any suggestions beyond the usual "meditate" advice?  In a forum like this, suggesting that somebody meditate is like suggesting that they breathe air or eat food.  Kind of a no brainer.

Anyway, thoughts?

seekenergyaz

#3
Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / E-book with "c"
August 23, 2002, 16:32:45


Maybe I'm just being picky here but as interesting as it seems to be it is hard to read because of the missing lower case "c" wherever it is to appear.

Is this a defect in the Reader file or is there some spiritual law or superstition that the author adheres to with regard to the lower case letter c?

Is this book available with the c intact?  It is hard on the psyche to read it without them.

#4


That's what it all comes down to, or an awful lot comes down to it anyway.  That's been my conclusion.

I look forward to asking a bunch of questions here over the next, well, while for lack of anything specific timewise.

seekenergyaz



#5


I'm curious if anyone knows about Robert Bruce's particular views on this.

He says in one of his books that negs can "even change a person's natural sexual orientation" or something along that line.  What I don't know is whether that means he believes that sexual orientation could naturally start out at any point then be changed by negs from one to the other or from the other to the one,  or if he means that everyone's natural orientation is straight and that negs can make them gay, or something else yet.  

If it is coyness on his part, that's understandable given what he would like to accomplish vs. all the side issues he could get sucked into.  I'm sure it could get real hard to do what he's doing now if he says something too politically incorrect then has to start warding off accusations of being the next Fred Phelps (you know how it is with knee-jerk emotional accusations and the way they spread through vociferous groups of people).   But darn, I would like to know what he actually thinks on this.

If a person is meant to be straight and is gay, and a neg was involved, then it seems it could be reversed.  There are homosexual oriented people out there who still are not sure whether they were meant to be that way or not.  They may not be as vociferous as the ones who would not appreciate hearing something politically incorrect,  but they are out there, and if a neg made them what they seem to be, then they might wish to know that they can get back to what they are.

So many people have strong opinions about this subject, and most are more than happy to express them.  But being convinced takes concrete evidence, which is hard to come by on this subject, a lot harder to come by than opinions.  But some of us might value Mr. Bruce's opinion in full all the same.

Does anyone know that is willing to say what it is?  Send a private message if it seems the right thing to do.

#6


Hi,

A statement used to pop into my head quite a bit whenever I was faced with reminders of my history of being blocked: "It is your CURSE."  I've mostly fought that back now and rarely hear it, but the blockage itself remains.  Other ones that used to be common were: "THEY can but YOU can't, everybody ELSE can, but YOU can't" [this was more in the sense that they "may" but you "may not," it sometimes had the air of a cruel child who was gleeful at the restrictions upon another,  but which statement was indeed with reference to a decree of authority], "THEY'RE allowed, but YOU'RE not allowed," "it's OK for THEM but it's not OK for YOU."   A number of the foregoing would often follow each other in a line, and eventually they seemed to take on the voice of a workmate who showed open hostility toward me, although their original appearance definitely predated that situation .  They tended to have to do with having friends and doing things with people.  It was as though for others it was OK to have those things but for me it was not.  Anybody who got close to me would soon find others withdrawing from them, almost as if in punishment.  There were actually people who told me so, and they wondered why it was.  The people who did the withdrawing always denied it though.  

One time I went into a room where several were gathered and within a minute or two they all left the room.  At that point I didn't think much of it.  I went to the other room where they had reconvened, and again they were all out within a minute or two.  Another round of it and I was pretty convinced something was up.  I felt as though I were accursed somehow.  It was a very painful experience to say the least.  But if I had brought it up I know that they would have denied it completely.  

It has only happened rarely to me in actuality, at least as an adult, but I always have this uneasy feeling that a "What were YOU ever?" tirade is always waiting around the corner to be thrown at me.

Whenever I drive, there is often this obsession that the drivers that I happen to merge in ahead of are saying "NO! NO!  I don't WANT him to merge in ahead of me!  He doesn't DESERVE to come into traffic as though he were my equal!"  That one usually comes in the voice of a local conservative talk show host.

"It is not my holy privilege even though it is for everybody else," seems to be a common theme in my life, finding its way even into trivialities.  Fight as I may to get rid of that feeling, it is dogged and seems determined to plague me lifelong.  Whenever I feel like I make some progress, something happens to throw me back, it often seems to be something external, although getting ill at certain critical times has happened too.

I just can't help wondering if denigrating spiritual forces are involved, as those things would seem to benefit their agenda, that  they could use them to suck me dry.  If this were all my own invention, wouldn't I be rid of it by now?

#7
Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Hello
July 31, 2002, 13:26:08


Hello,

I am from U.S., have had a history of some low grade mental disorders, nothing extreme.  Certain questions are raised through those and other things.  Perhaps I could ask them in greater detail once I have had a chance to read the books.

Generally, it seems to be a matter of what I perceive as living off of an "energy pittance" if you will.  

I've felt as though all along someone was looking out for me.  Yet at the same time it is like I exist on a minimal level.  I was always taught that God will help a person get by but don't expect luxury from him.  So I accepted that situation as something proper: I would get by on an energy pittance but it was God's will that I not get more than that.  This would be I have supposed, in the service of a lesson that would be learned from the life experience of getting by on a pittance of energy.

As you have problably guessed, I have been questioning that scenario in recent times.  Is there a way of telling whether there is a neg that is creating this minimalization of energy?  Are there entities that look out for you to a point so that they can have their energy cattle to fleece?  Or is there someone(s) looking out for me but another(s) sucking me out at the same time?

Should I question the energy pittance as God's will scenario?  Or am I losing faith and ought not question and just accept the energy pittance as all I ought to get and I'll be blessed later for accepting it?  That sort of thing is a common explanation in Western religion.  Anyway it is a big question for me.

seekenergyaz

#8
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Our Favorite Quotes
April 17, 2003, 01:56:57
Here are a few I've either collected or otherwise have on hand:


The enemy is fear. We think it is hate; but it is fear.
--Gandhi

Mastering others requires force;
Mastering the self requires enlightenment.
--Lao Tzu

What a man thinks of himself, that is which determines, or rather indicates, his fate.
--Henry David Thoreau

I've lived through many terrible things in my life,
some of which have actually happened.
--Mark Twain

Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
--Thomas Edison

A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent.
--William Blake

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
--Albert Einstein

We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have
the life that is waiting for us.
--Joseph Campbell

If at first you don't succeed; try, try again. Then quit.  No use being a fool about it."
--W. C. Fields

There are three kinds of men: The one's that learn by reading, the few
who learn by observation...the rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."
--Will Rogers

There is nothing noble about being superior to some other man.
The true nobility is in being superior to your previous self.    
--Samuel Johnson

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.
--Saul Bellow

Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from wise men.
--Marcus Porcius Cato

It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.  The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again because there is not effort without error and shortcomings, who knows the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows in the end the high achievement of triumph and who at worst, if he fails while daring greatly, knows his place shall never be with those timid and cold souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
--Theodore Roosevelt










#9
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Our Favorite Quotes
April 17, 2003, 01:06:44
Hi

Actually Enderwiggin, I kind of like the quotes in your signature file:

quote:
Originally posted by EnderWiggin

If you're going through Hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill

The soul of any plant or creature is not something to disregard or disrespect.

"I live by the adage 'know thy enemy;' that is why I have so painstakingly analyzed who I am."

#10
Hey Enderwiggin

True as far as it goes.  WE MUST, really MUST, get away from oil as fuel.  That much is clear.  It will take time though.  Maybe not as long as Whitley Strieber thinks, IF we had a little vision and were willing to look at things open mindedly as a people.  

That's one of the big problems though.  If you are saying anything other than "Oil then, oil now, and oil forever," (sort of like that infamous segregation comment) then people will naysay and hold you in contempt, even think you "un-American" (if you happen to be from the U.S.).  If anyone believes differently, they are an "environmentalist whacko."

Even many in the enviro community will do that, albeit in their own different way.  If they were smart, they would take President Bush up on the hydrogen economy thing, throw their support behind it, then totally HOLD HIS FEET TO THE FIRE on it (not allowing Bush to get away with making it a smokescreen for other intentions, since that is their concern).  But many of the environmentalists lack vision too.  They want to throw all their energy into a combination of partisan politics and to plans that depend on the idea that oil is all there is and all there ever will be.  (Then too, some pretenders to membership in the enviro community might well be infiltrators from a certain far left movement started in the 19th century, who do not care to see real progress, environmentally or economically, let alone both, by a capitalist country or institution.)

Well I think "Oil then, oil now, and oil forever" (in spirit, not that people are actually using this one as a slogan) will eventually go the way of that similar segregation comment into the ash heap of history, problably with fewer idiotic people pining away for it too.  But the question is how much unnecessary suffering and death in the meantime?



quote:
Originally posted by EnderWiggin

Screw oil period. The oil companies run everything. Why don't we just find alternative energy sources? Oil pollutes anyway.

#11
quote:
Originally posted by goingslow

Become dispassionate or pretend to.  Im sure if most of us are just arguing an intellectual point its easy to say that.  If homophobia wasn't something we are all born into I could even agree.  It almost sounds like if they're quiet and very calmly try to justify themselves you think they'd be better off.

I think the time has come where Homosexuals should not need to justify their love and choice whenever they're faced with the hatred and dislike of their lifestyle.

I found the tone amusing of that person PW put up.  He though by being passive agressive, pretend to apologize and be empathetic people have no right to be offended.  

When i think of the extremes of homophobia I think of matthew shepherd.  Kids in my very highschool who got beat for acting effeminite and teachers telling them they need to stop acting that way.  Tell a person who has lived with that all their life they should remain dispassionate.. try to state their case and hope someday all these religious zealots will accept them.  

I don't think a heterosexual person who likes discussing this on an intellectual level should tell homosexuals how htey should be handling all the people who hate them.  

I dont understand the brand of love which says "i love everyone" its so christian but its based on only saying you love someone.  I love you and its out of my love I am able to tell you what you need to change.  I love people I really love I dont throw that word around.  I find people who say they love everyone the most often have a really shallow meaning of love.  They mean its their christian duty to love but actually feeling love and saying "i love you" are two very different things.




Who said anything about need to justify anything?  Please don't put words in my mouth.  

I was speaking from the point of view of consciousness, the collective consciousness, and how the kind and amounts of energy we put into that system affect things, sometimes in unintended ways.

Don't mistake what I said for a bunch of moralistic musts and shoulds.  It isn't about what people have a right to do.  It is about what I think might be wiser from the standpoint of the above.

As an example for the need for emotional control, an everyday, not especially "ethereal" one: I'm sure we've all been in situations where even we had a right to express great anger for wrong that somebody has done to us, but have realized that if we start screaming and hollering and carrying on, then those we hope to seek recourse from will just think we're nuts, and that WE are the problem, not the one who did the wrong.  Who hasn't learned a lesson like that right in the midst of the peer groups we grew up with?  

Now yes, we make our complaint, honestly and with SOME emotion, but it is emotion measured with care.  (Timing is often a part of it too, sometimes we jump on it right away, other times we wait.)  If the one who wronged us wants to play more games, he or she will try to push our buttons and get the unbridled emotion out of us (Why would he do that?  Because it seems to be to his advantage perhaps?  Because he knows it will make us look bad in front of the rest?)  Now, we had the RIGHT to be hopping mad and show it, but we knew that wisdom was better expressed in another way.

Whenever we've failed to do what I just described, how often have things turned out well?  Not often in my own sometimes bitter experience.

Lest you miss this point: YES, emotional control is very DIFFICULT.  But that doesn't mean that it isn't wise.

Another thing that I should mention, as I may have seemed to imply the wrong thing, is that I am not advocating having no passion in things, just control of that passion, and I apologise if I gave the wrong idea there.

What makes you so sure that I'm heterosexually inclined?  Maybe I've just been coy up until now.  After all, whose business is it which I am?

#12
Hi

I don't see a problem with letting norms you were raised with go into your writing as well.  It is a part of who you are.  I haven't been convinced by a lot of the arguments, but that is another thing.

It is hard to be dispassionate about a subject like this, especially when it has a big impact on one's own life.

It is also a lightening rod for others too though.  Just look at any of the usenet forums with the word "Christian" in them and you will see that.  Very little else gets the kind of response in those forums than the subject of "homosexuals" or "gays" will get.  It's like a big bandwagon.  It became a hot one here too, but it has been mostly the same few people going back and forth since after the first several.

I think it's a collective consciousness thing.  The greater number of people who touch it or are touched by itjust keep adding more and more energy to it, and it keeps getting discharged in various, often destructive ways.  That's one reason why I think that if the gay activists were wise they would force themselves to be a little more dispassionate, which might change the mode of some of their activity.  Likewise those who disapprove of it.  Maybe then both might meet some liveable truce in the matter.  

Strong emotion usually has the qualities of NOT being high on reasoning but being VERY high in energy; and "stuff" is affected by it.  Uncontrolled (or controlled by the wrong hands)it can be a dangerous combination.

I wish well for all in the endeavor of getting a handle on that.  It is difficult.
#13
Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Cursed?
April 09, 2003, 21:31:04
Hi

Actually I'm a lot less uptight nowadays, still have a lot of tendency to anxiety but can deal with it as a known more than I could then, long time ago.  But having had that during key years of life has long term effects on a person.  Kind of like getting your vibes pigeonholed.  Not sure that that's what happened exactly.

People can burn you sometimes when you're nice.  Be a decent person anyway.  A lot of people problably like you and you don't necessarily know it.

I also hope you get your jacket back.
#14
Hi

Hmm, should we bring up that XX male thing?  There is such a thing, although I think it is rare.  They can only produce girls and other XX males.  Doesn't really have anything to do with homosexuality per se though, as what I read never mentioned any greater likelihood with them as compared to the general population.

How many heterosexuals do you know who describe waking up one morning and having to choose whether or not he was going to be attracted to members of the opposite sex?  It just happened that way and was taken for granted that it would right?

It is hard for me to fathom how anyone could automatically find himself attracted to the opposite sex, then just decide to throw that out and change to being homosexually oriented (the old "you chose to be that way" thing).  Yet that is so often implied as what happens, often by religio-political commentators, but often by others as well.  That position is absurd.  Maybe, just maybe, the attraction to the opposite sex isn't that automatic for everyone.  Maybe it worked that way for the commentators and all their friends (that they know of), but maybe it didn't and doesn't work that way for everyone.  So how could they possibly understand, since they can simply take the majority experience for granted, and have nothing like it in their own experience to compare it to?

A few commentators are at leasthonest enough to admit that they don't know what the cause is.  Some will admit that nobody "chose" this orientation.  They may then go on to say that it is still forbidden to act on it and that some people just have to suffer in life and that's just too bad for them.  Rough maybe, but at least they're being honest with both the facts and their beliefs (sometimes they do add some comfort with that, such as how God will reward them later for suffering cheerfully, or something along that line).  

On another note, if it is said that some people come to this earth patently unable to reproduce, and it is argued that "in their case" their purpose is for whatever reason different than reproducing more children, then it seems a similar argument could at least be possible to make for orientation issues as well, one size already not fitting all.

PeacefulWarrior, maybe you'd be better off by this point simply to say that a book that you put faith in to your dying breath says that it is forbidden, and that is that.  In the end, you most likely consider no other reason to be necessary anyway.  We all know you have a right to hue to it.  But your other arguments separate from that seem to be going the way of the one alluded to above.
#15
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Alcohol
April 09, 2003, 12:41:40
quote:
Originally posted by Adrian


No person has the right to take the life of any living creature, however large or small, no more than they have the right to take the life of another person, and just because of a perceived superiority.




Hello Adrian

Does this mean that you are a fruitarian?  Otherwise you'd be killing the plants.

I've heard many people say that raw food veganism is the only way to go as well.

I'll take it all with a grain of salt until I know more from personal experience.

Perhaps we can test it though.  Is there anyone in this forum who eats meat who is successfull in projection?  To what degree?  

Those who are vegetarian, how strict?  Do you use milk or eggs?  Do you cook those vegetables or insist on eating them raw?  What effects have these things had projectionwise?

How about artificial sweeteners, preservatives, dyes, and processed foods?  They do their damage too.

What about pesticides, genetically manipulated food, and other stuff that is getting almost impossible to avoid?

While I'm at it, I am open to suggestions on how to best wean off of caffiene without becoming spacey (Attention Deficit Disorder).  That is the factor that always sucks me back to the use of the stuff.  One cannot be too spacey and still get on in life you know.
#16
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Alcohol
April 09, 2003, 12:17:22
Hi

I don't drink much alcohol, but I hear you on that example.  Conformity is a big thing right now.  Not just among people considered to be on the political "right" either.  It cuts across it all, although each group seems to have its own set of styles and opinions to conform to.  Fail to conform and I suspect that you will not need alcohol to be standing outside looking in.  The peer group will take care of that by excising you from itself.  Of course it will be a lot more painful than the alcohol, which is why we get so much conformity.  Emotional pain is often a very effective enforcement tool.


quote:
Originally posted by Lysear

Example, I was on a night out last night at the university club, I had a fair bit to drink. I just stopped and looked around and thought how ridiculous it all looked! Everyone dressed the same, dancing the same with the same haircuts and telling the same jokes. What is the matter with the world! can no-one think for themselves anymore! I'm not saying I myself am perfect, but I have a modicum of self awareness. I despair for the future of the human being.

Anyway, I'm just ranting, thats enough from me, what does everyone else think?

#17
Fair enough.



quote:
Originally posted by goingslow

I think its a no brainer anyone has the right to state their opinion.  And people who it offends have the right to speak back.

Id much rather have my opinion spoken about than have someone say "you have a right to that opinion".  That does absolutely nothing.  If your opinion is condemning others (even if you think it isnt' doing that) then expect others opinions to be just as honest.



#18
Hi.

I don't want to give the impression that I'm ranting on about PeacefulWarrior, or am judging him.  I do take issue with some of what he posted (most of it had to do with the article that dealt with statistics, some of it did touch on the other stuff a little).

I'm sure from his point of view, he does not believe himself to be judging anyone, that it is a matter of love the sinner hate the sin.  Of course this particular type of nonjudgementalism, where I've seen it expressed elsewhere (and as I viewed it myself once) is usually predicated on the idea that one doesn't know that any particular individual won't go straight someday.  I'm not sure whether he might stand in the same place regarding those who died still gay.  Perhaps he sees them as roasting someplace.  I don't know.

He has a right to believe what he does, even if some of us view his basis as being dogma or skewed information.  Nothing in the U.S. Constitution nor in the law of most other progressive countries against believing in religious dogma if one so chooses.  

My own views are a little ambivalent.  I don't always know what to make of it, even though life has thrown me headlong into having to deal with the subject.  I've never been LDS, but would have agreed in years past with a lot of what the man in the LDS views on homosexuality article said.  The FRC article might have rubbed me the wrong way even then.

Still, wherever I find myself, or don't find myself, in all this mess, we each have to look at this and decide what to conclude, or whether we are going to conclude with what information we have.

#19
Hello.

I mean no disrespect to anyone's beliefs, but what I am about to say problably will offend some who consider the key members and writers of certain organizations as people to be revered.  

I have to say that I am suspicious of these articles by groups like the one whose article is quoted at length above (FRC).  It looks to me like "statistical spin."

Certain male child molesters molest boys. Since they are male and the boys are male, they can then be considered "homosexual" entered into the statistics as a percentage of the homosexual population at large, as if they were a group homogenous with the rest of the homosexual population.  How much does this say about what they really have in common with the rest of the homosexual population?  No case has been made that the animus behind the one (male molesting of a male child) is the same as that which is behind the other (two male adults engaging in a consensual sex act).  Might not real qualitative differences exist here?  Defining the whole of a group can be very arbitrary.  From what I can see it is an oversimplification of a more complex issue for some purpose, problably religio-political.  

How many of these men who molested boys always engage in sex with women in their sexual relations with adults?  This in itself would constitute a major qualitative difference between such men and other "gay" men.  They would not seem to be "classic type" homosexuals.  Are the statistics taking this into account?  Of course, one could then take this as technical license to call these rotten fellows "bisexuals" and enter them into the statistics as a percentage of the bisexual population.  Again no case has been made that the animus behind what these guys do is the same as that which is behind what the others do.  Inevitably, it seems, the bisexual and homosexual populations are then simply mentioned together and the statistics so garnered passed on to the populace and to politicians, again for some purpose.

Now, before someone starts in with "How dare you accuse holy men of God with spinning statistics" let me say that I suspect that this is all a product of strong belief and possibly emotion driven statistical reasoning that resulted in the spin, rather than craven, intentional deception (not that some still won't be offended). Still, better and more honest to treat the issues separately, I think.

All of this said, I am convinced that both pro- and anti-homosexual groups have been guilty at one time or another of manipulating statistics.  I am not just picking on the anti- crowd in this matter.  Unfortunately, I believe that truly objective study of this subject is in short supply.

I did post subject matter some time back in the matter of homosexuality and negs.  That thread seems to have disappeared, perhaps through disuse.  I have come to no firm conclusions on that matter.

The idea that this is patently a "chosen affliction," even the statement doesn't make sense.  It's like saying "I'm tired of being blessed with good health, I think I'll get a wasting disease today, that sounds cool."  I just cannot buy that any but a very few already mentally ill individuals would think that way, and it doesn't jive with countless life accounts.  

If you look at it more closely, I believe you will find MANY homosexuals who were neither sexually abused nor became homosexually inclined only after they got "bored" with everything else.  Most problably had inklings of homosexuality before they had much or even any sexual experience at all, let alone had a chance to "try it all," or hobnob with the intelligentsia.  (One might better ask a man about his history than tell him.)  Whether that means that they were born that way I cannot say.  Evidence from childhood of these individuals does tend to suggest however, at the very least, that the tendency was present, for whatever reason, early in life.  Again I would say that among these I believe you will find many that were not sexually abused.

Pertinent to this forum, neg (spirit) abuse or influence, often subtle and pernicious, is sometimes, in one form or another, invoked to explain orientation.  If this is true in some cases, ways of ferreting this origin out in those cases, or eliminating it as a cause in others might be helpful.  

Other forms of abuse (as physical violence or verbal) would be found common, not just by parents, but by peers as well (perhaps even more so by peers).  This has led to theories involving sexuality and peer/parent relations (as by Dr. J. Nicolosi and others).  The problem with these, in my view, is that they become a chicken or egg issue: Which came first, the troubled peer/parent relations or the sexual tendency (or its precursor)?  I have not seen that this issue has been resolved.  

On a side note, another thing that I find interesting is that many "change therapists" will state that a percentage of homosexuals will not convert to the point where a heterosexual relationship is realistic and that "successful celibacy" is the thing to shoot for.  Perhaps these guys and the religio-political commentators who support them should get on the same page.  If they did, the commentators might be less inclined to rub that old "You will never have children, and you are so missing out" statement in their face every chance they get (and I have so often seen and heard this said).  This is hardly a helpful statement if they are going to be childless anyway.  To me there also seems to be a very strong vein of condescending attitude in a lot of the commentaries and articles that I've seen in various places.  Others to their credit take pains to avoid this.

Thank you.
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Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Cursed?
April 04, 2003, 09:16:36
Hi EnderWiggin

Thank you for your reply.  It's interesting that you said some of what you did actually because I got to wondering about all this from a couple of things.  First from reading a book called THE FIELD by Lynne McTaggart.  Some of what you said brought the Zero Point Field theory discussed in that book to mind.  Around the same time, I was looking at some childhood photos of my siblings and myself.  Comparing pictures from various points in my past, as well as thinking about the things surrounding my siblings also got this going (though if it were curse it would have to be of a sort that would show different facets with different siblings, some more outwardly affected than others).  

How did I go in a few short years from being what seems like a fairly normal kid to a stiff, tight, weird kid with peer problems who always had this serious look, with an inordinate desire to avoid a wet or cold neck (but not that way while bathing)?  Why are a couple of my siblings a little quirky in their own right?

There are many possible explanations but I'd like to know how to flush this one out if it were so.
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That mystifies me though because this was no two second delay in moving, not even close.  I don't know how I could have moved faster without being a little reckless or some kind of elite expert.  Then again, sometimes elite experts let it go to their head and become contemptuous of the general public (I've heard political comments by such persons and sometimes they're scary), so maybe we have one of those.

Thank you all for your thoughts.  It looks like the EFT works best when one gets the full program.   I did come accross the written downloadable a couple years ago.  When I can afford the whole thing I should give the issue another look.  It also seems to me that a good foundation in energy work would be good to have first so that everything "works" correctly.  So in the meantime, my slow progress in NEW may have to suffice.



#22
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Do You Believe in Guns?
August 24, 2002, 10:33:07


But seriously,while I don't want a gun, I have no grudges against law-abiding people who do.

Gun laws, it seems to me, mainly restrict people who obey the law.  Those who murder other people are problably not very interested in obeying the law, IMHO.

#23
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Do You Believe in Guns?
August 24, 2002, 10:23:46


Yes, guns exist.

#24


Hi

I used to read a lot of newsgroups and remember one guy saying that the whole we-didn't-land-on-the-moon movement was started by the same people who ran the earth-is-flat movement.  After all, a trip to the moon where a round earth was seen would be the death of flat earth ideas.  

This origin makes sense to me though, since the first time I ever heard anyone claim that the moon missions were faked was on a TV program some 20 years ago or better (called "Real People" which often featured unusual people or people with unusual ideas).  The featured guy was a believer in a flat earth who had some kind of organization going to promote this idea.  Since, in his mind, the earth being flat was a given, then also in his mind the moon missions had to be faked.

I also heard recently that somebody's website had a good set of refutations of the "fake landing points."  I think it might be Richard C. Hoagland's website but I'm not sure.  A lot of folks would consider his ideas strange too, but in my mind not nearly as strange as the idea of a flat earth.  



#25
Hey, given what your teacher said about energy being attention and the ability to direct it, and that one either has it or does not, does he consider ADD to be a punishment for extremely bad karma, or something like that?