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G'Day/Night jcsz1! Remember you, I and a few others spoke to each other while in the chat room? I've been lookin' for you and haven't been all that successful...I'd love to talk to you again some time...If you have the time to talk that is...time doesn't necessarily exist or really is an issue like it has to be within the physical realm though, go figure. ~

I've missed you! Or have I? (*smile*)

Blue Light blessings
from Blue Mystic

Hi all. i'd like to see if maybe we could start a little section here about those darn problems and concerns one who projects runs into while in the astral or even while projecting out of body. this section will be a place where we can freely discuss any kind of concern or question in regards to what may stump us or even things that may be trying to prevent us from having a smooth and sucessful projection.

i'll start this little section off by saying, all projectors are welcome here, all who are novice, intermediate and advanced. all questions on what may be troubling you while either trying to project or during your projections are welcome to freely discuss here. now, i'm not an absolute expert at answering questions, but i'll do my best in trying. i've been projecting for around 10+ years now and i'm still running into problems! so, i most likely could give a shot at answering novice questions......if you like. -smile-

now, here's something that i've been running into trouble wise for the past few years. i'm use to flying high into the sky during my projections, but for some reason, such as today while attempting to do so, i keep seeing giant black electrical powerlines appearing in the sky that saverely keep frightening me! i feel a great sense of fear coming from them, and feel that if i were to touch them they'd electricute me and would harm me very much! so, in order to avoid being hurt by them, i've just been staying close to the ground in the astral. this really has been frustrating me though because of not being able to fly as high off of the ground as i use to, i'm unable to really have the freedom to go to other places that i use to!

has anyone else on the forum who can project ever run into black electrical powerlines? did you fear them while flying? did you ever touch one? did it hurt you really bad?

later on, i'll post a technique that i've been using that one could use that may indeed help you to avoid having to touch them while you're trying to fly during your projections.........







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from Blue Mystic

G'day/night again all. Here are more of what I know in regards to herbs and other kinds of plants that can naturally help out one with various kinds of physical problems or illness's.

Aloe succulent cactus - if you split open one of their long leaves, rub them on any bee sting, wound and especially burns. These cactus's are also edible too.

Arnica - this perennial herb's mostly good for treating sprains and bruises according to the Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening by the editors of Organic Gardening® Magazine, (p. 60)

Powerful Pain Relief P-K-5 With Glucosamine - this is a special blend of herbs in a liquid form one could use to help relieve oneself of muscular spasms and pains by rubbing it on the direct area there's disconfort at. This really does work, I've tried it myself a few times! Anyone ever heard of this before?

Blue Light blessings
from Blue Mystic

Greetings Blue Light Mystic!

I don't know alot about Mandalas, but I do know that there is great Spiritual power in Tibet in many places from the monasteries to the highest peaks.

Tibetan healing would be an excellent topic for discussion here.

With kind regards,

Adrian.

Because connections are a two-way street . . . magic is kind of funny that way.  There is an Arthurian legend that illustrates this point perfectly, if I can find it, I'll post it.  

I'm not a Reiki master; I don't call myself a healer, although I can and do heal sometimes, I've got that "thing" flowing through me, and it flows out of my hands (and breaks my watch, and reconfigures my computer).  I guess that's like Reiki?  Anyway, here's my take on things:

If one's idea of "healing" involves sending warm fuzzy healing energy towards the idea of another person, or donating our own abundant energies to people in need, there's very little risk involved.  These methods are effective and I do them all the time.  In fact, for most of us, this is all we CAN do, and all we SHOULD do.  

When spiritual healers REALLY want to get down-and-dirty, and eradicate a serious illness, not only do they need to open themselves up and connect with the ill person, they need to connect with the illness itself!!!!!!  And that puts the healers at risk, if they don't protect themselves (whether by "white light" or some other method).

That is why I don't mess with anything that will put me at personal risk . . . I'm just NOT THAT GOOD YET.  I stick with the simple things: headaches, muscle aches, scrapes-and-strains, ennui, the blues . . . to hone my skills, and perhaps someday to work my way up to the heavy stuff.  

If I'm faced with something truly serious, I pray, and I donate my (healthy) energy to the ill person.  If my energy is low, or I am ill, I am in no position to be sending my stuff anywhere - - - I don't want to make the ill person more sick!  So, in times such as these, I ask the spirit world for help.  In fact, one of the best ways to do safe(r) healing work is to obtain the help of an otherworldy spiritual guide.  You can do a lot more good work this way.

Many of us are goodhearted people who want to help others - - - in fact many of us are drawn to this path precisely for this reason.  But a person who is TRULY SERIOUS about healing work has chosen a lifelong and potentially dangerous path.  A healer must be impeccable: powerfully strong-willed,  multi-skilled, and brutal in his/her self-assessments.  Because, a foolish risk can get them  - - - well, sick.

I'm not posting this to scare anyone off, I just want to emphasize that spiritual healing work is not something anyone can decide to "just do" one day (unless they're Jesus or Mother Theresa or some saint or otherwise naturally gifted).    Most of us are best off limiting ourselves to spreading love and affection and goodwill and warm fuzzy feelings, all over the place, and especially towards people in need.  AND (this is important) donate your energies in PRACTICAL ways.  Like, visit!  Bring chicken soup. Clean their homes. Look after their kids.  Hold their hands.  Why send "white light" to your neighbor when you can actually DO something physical for them?  Better yet, why not do both?

One more thing: support the spiritual practitioners in your community (if you know any) who must dedicate their LIVES to do healing work properly.  The work is exhausting, and it doesn't pay squat.  I used to bring food and do house and yardwork for the Lakota (Sioux) medicine man (and his wife) at the local reservation, when I lived in Minnesota.  I figured, they deserved it!



Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

G,day BLM

I was on that very busy chat the other night/day as well, was a good one. Anyway, Mr Beam goes by the name Manfred in this forum & Oasis on his site & I'm not sure if he will get your post or not as he has studies now & doesn't get a chance to check this forum as much as he would like to. So if he doesn't get your message, you can PEM him on :
a.wenas@chello.nl

Twas a good chat, we will have to do it again soon.
Good journeys mate

Mobius

Hello again all. I wanted to ask a quick question here...How many of you have a problem trying to project to a specific person or place and wind up being/going somewhere else or to someone else?

Last night I tried projecting out to go to someone and wound up seeing a family of people including their young girl who were all sitting on a couch together. For some odd reason, they appeared to have seen me viewing them while they were sitting on their couch! I must've wound up in the astral instead of the physical while astral projecting instead...sigh...

Blue Light blessings
from Blue Mystic

Just recently, I tried starving myself for over 24 hours. No food, or water.

As soon as I layed down, I started feeling heavy vibrations. It became easy for me to go into a subsequent lucid dream.

I'm going to try it again but it seemed to be very helpful. Just thought I'd share.

Shapeless Shadow

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Hi all. now, in regards to temporarily entering into someone else's body, only in a spiritual and astral plane sense though, i'd like to share another example of me for some reason doing this at one other time several months ago.

this experience seemed to take place inside of a building that looked quite normal though i wasn't paying that much attention to detail. i just seemed to appear in my astral body in a room that appeared to be holding some kind of lecture with an instructor. everyone who was attending the lecture looked like they were all mature adults in their of course, 30s. -i said of cours 30s because usually whenever i'm astral projecting, this seems to be the most popular age everyone is within the astral plane.- most of the people who were there was a mix of men and women and believe they were all Caucasian too. they looked normal and were dressed in modern looking clothes such as blue jeans and nice blouses and shirts. their hair was even cut to look basic and modern as well. their manerism and behavior was normal too.

ok, that's enough description here! after appearing towards the very back of this room and looking around at the people, i suddenly saw that there was a very young boy, say around 7 maybe who got up from his cheap folding out metal seat who was sitting i guess near his father. he saw me and came right over to me, and the next thing i knew, i suddenly became him! i was no longer inside of my own astral body, but was inside of this little boy's astral body! what?!

as i was inside of this little boy, i was feeling quite normal and still had the same intelligence and everything and didn't really notice that there was any kind of difference while i was him. the father suddenly noticed that i or his child was up from his seat and turned around.

while i was inside of this boy's spirit body, i did notice one very distinct feeling. for some reason, i felt very angry towards this man who was either my guardian or father and i yelled very intently and loudly at the man and wound up interupting the lecture. i stood there and watched this man become more and more angry back at me for standing up to him and yelling back at the man. i saw his eyes and face become angrier by the second, but knew that i could temporarily get away with yelling at him in front of the croud of people, because i knew he couldn't do anything to me in front of them!

unfortunatly, the man shortly got up from his seat and started to come after and chase me, obviously, to give me a beating or what i had comeing to me for yelling at him. i quickly kept running until i came to this one deserted room that had a shelf with some objects on it that was up high and hid up there on it. the man was still coming after me but he didn't see where i was hiding at. i saw him peering into the room in the doorway of the room. i was lying there on the shelf thinking, oh great, he's going to find me anyway!

after hiding on the shelf for a very small amount of time, i woke back up into my body. i believe that this may be because the man found the boy and beat him for me making him yell at the mean and abusive man for once. i don't understand why i had felt such anger and hurt inside towards this particular man as i was inside of this young boy's spirit body temporarily, or why i had done any of this at all! why did i temporarily enter into an astral boy's body and make him yell in anger towards his guardian or father? was this boy unable to express how he was feeling towards this man and allowed me to come in and express it for him to try to help let this man see how angry the boy was feeling? if anything, the man was abusing this young boy in some harmful and cruel way, but why would i have entered into his body to become him and experience this? what would the purpose to this be? if anything, i just made the young boy express his rage and anger toward the man who was taking care of him, and this most likely just made things worse for the little boy! i'm so sorry for doing that! maybe this was a past life i was re-experiencing for some reason? any suggestions on this anyone??? Robert Bruce, Nita, anyone???

Edited by - Blue Light Mystic on 12 March 2002  18:08:27

I believe I have encountered elementals a few times, though I could not see them, just feel strongly the presence. They seem to fly/play around me, gives me an immense sence of joy/love, quite mind blowing and some of my fondest memories. When I get out of body....I will find them!
I say they were elementals, but really I do not know, I used to think they were water ones, but I suppose they could have been air. In my minds eye I saw a beutiful creature, female, blue translucent, just like what I would assume an undine to look like so maybe I was just making it up, though I suspect someone like Bruce Moen could strongly argue that what I saw/imagined was real. btw I am a primarily an airy person, but strongly water also (very very little fire, some earth but not balanced yet, probably cos fire is not strong enough, earth being a combination of the 3 etc etc).
These experiences sometimes come when I am reading up on elementals, making my mind very receptive, also I may have felt some out in nature but never anything personal, and once I prayed to Mother Earth to send help for a nasty chakra problem I was experiencing, another undine I think.
Occasionally when out on long walks in the hills (with parents), I allow my mind to put me into the mindframe of an elemental creature, and walk as they do. I may have been helped at times like this, but again, pretty powerful changes caused in me, though I cannot say the strongest experience caused such high/good emotional feelings (afterwards I felt I may even have turned slightly viscious, sharp), strange but very interesting.

So what have you experienced?



Edited by - Inguma on 10 March 2002  17:37:41

Greetings!

I have no recent experience with Ouija boards, but I do know people who have used them, and they do certainly appear to attract the attention of beings, and who cause the sought after effects.

However, I certainly would not trust that the being is who they claim to be, without alot of confirmation, and knowing the neg side phenomena that people have often experienced with Ouija, I wouldn't want to use one outside of a circle, and/or with the protection of some other protective ritual.

Take care,

Adrian.

Dear Blue Light Mystic,

Usually doctors use measureable biochemical imbalance, brain scans, genetics and family genetics studies to detect mental illness or the risk of mental illness.  In other words they like something tangible.  However with possession a key way to tell it is not mental illness is if someone had normal blood tests, brain scans prior and has no genetic predisposition but suddenly has a problem.  The problem is very few people unless they have epilepsy have had these kinds of tests prior to a possession.  But once possessed the biochemistry and brain scans totally change.  So it is like the chicken or the egg is many ways.  An excellent example to get your mind wrapped around this topic is that when studies were done on people with split personalities one of the personalities would have allergies but the other personalities did not.  Same body just different personalities manifesting.  This tells you right there how powerful thoughts are in manifesting physical change in a body.  

I believe there are people who truly have genetically caused mental illnesses and that they are not possessed.  But do some have both mental illness and possession at the same time.  I imagine this can occur.  Is it easier for an entity to possess these people thus compounding their difficulties...I can not say.  

Hope this helps a little.  

Love and Light to One and All,
Violet



Edited by - Violet on 23 February 2002  05:18:03

Edited by - Violet on 23 February 2002  05:21:14

Hey,

I was personally attacked by a person at least two times in my life...
It was an energetical/magical/psychic attack of course - not a physical one

When it happened for the first time, I knew nothing about methods of self defence...
Yet I had to do something so I just 'made up' a shielding technique based on the NEW system (generally it was just wrapping your whole body with energy)...
The attack was rather mild so it stopped
The second time when it happened to me, I did some magical shielding...(Robert was describing some basic methods for that in a post on AstralResearch Forum some time ago)
It also helped much - I even counterattacked then

So I guess the first rule is to know many various methods of self defence, and to just do what suits best (whatever works works :-DDD
And generally it is important to follow your intuition when under attack - it usually tells you the best possible option...

Just my 2 cents

Regards,
Alex

Human life is full of magic, one only needs to spot it.

Hi, first of all!  

I was once told something similar to your post about light and dark.  He compared good and evil to a candle's flame.  As I meditated in a dark area with a candle, I was struggling with issues of being good or evil(due to my father's practice of dark magick--which I've never done).  I asked about this.  He stated, "Good is like the flame, whereas, the evil surrounds the light.  In the heart of people there is both.  There is no black or white, only different shades of gray.  Darkness surrounds the flame but there is always light shining through, penetrating the dark, offering hope."  I found this interesting.  

I also believe it to a certain extent.  There has to be a balance or the world would break apart in chaos.  Although I would love a world with no hate, violence, or despair, we would not as spiritual beings learn.  I have always had both.  Sometimes if something really good happens something just as bad happens a week or so later.  I find that their is a respect for light and dark even though we may not see it.  I will try to explain my view as best as I can by using nature as an example.  

IMO good(light) and evil(dark) is very much like nature.  A lion can sit for hours around zebras without making any effort to kill it.  But then, without any warning, it will strike out.  Also consider a waterhole filled with crocodiles surrounded by gazelles, baboons, and various fowl being forced to live in a confined area due to lack of water.  For example, baboon A approaches the water's edge because the temperature is 100+ F degrees and must have water to produce milk for her baby.  Baboon A risks the dark(waterhole filled with crocs) to survive.  The crocodiles do not kill baboon A because they are not hungry and want to conserve energy in the heat of the sun.  But then, baboon B approaches the waterhole for a drink due cool itself a half hour later.  This time the crocodile(s) go in for the kill.  Just like baboon A must take the chance baboon B does, thus, creating a balance.  Now the crocodiles are not free from the dark either.  A croc can succomb to the heat as the waterhole is depleted of water as the drought continues or to another croc as a food source.  Or a croc can find a way to survive by digging a 2-3 feet deep hole to stay cool and conserve a little moisture to survive until the rains come.  It is a touch and go environment just like everything in life is.  Whether we are deserving or not does not matter because such things as light and dark have to blend into the environment to make gray, a balance between the two.  Without the dark there would be no order.  Without light there would be no order.  Loss and hope are two variations of light and dark.  Sometimes the loss is needed to reach hope.

I hope I explained my opinion in a way to understand how I feel light and dark are both needed.  Sometimes it is not easy to accept it when we are dealt a blow from darkness but there is always a ray of light coming from somewhere--if we look for it.

That is my view.  I hope I explained it and did not confuse you.    

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

Edited by - LadyLea on 20 February 2002  13:58:14

Here's an old one that I had posted once before on Feb. 17, 2002
Short AP Experience-My cat actually swatted me back into my physical body during an astral projection!-

Hi all. i'd like to tell ya something in regards to what i had
experienced sometime early this morning during an astral sight episode...as i was lying on my back looking around above me waiting to see something or someone, and knew that since i was having difficulty trying to fall asleep for a few hours i felt that i had a high chance of being able to astral project. well, i did and as i was just starting to go out of my body during the projection, i had seen two really kind and rather handsome looking middle-aged men who were standing above smiling down at me! the next thing i knew, i then also had seen and noticed what appeared to look like a cat! i have a cat and believe that we both share a very loving and special bond and even a somewhat telepathic connection to one another as well. i feel that she was standing there in front of these two men (who probably were my guides or other projectors) who were slightly standing above me while i was lying there and was starting to project or exit out of my physical body.

Suddenly, right as i was almost completely and had successfully exited out of my body, a slightly angry expression/feeling seemed to appear on my cat's face and she rapidly took out one of her front paws from where she was sitting at and actually decided to swat at me with it as i was exiting! what happened next kind of upsets me! in
her doing this, i was actually hit by her strong enough to surprisingly be thrown directly back into my physical body! that really didn't make me all that happy either!

What would cause a cat to do that loves their owner to swat them back into their body while trying to astral project? why would she have
chosen to swat at me and force me to go back into my body? how
annoying, and, so much for being able to have a good projection!

Blue Light blessings
from Blue Mystic