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Hey all, 

Today's nap brought an interesting experience.  I was experiencing a normal dream, no lucidity, just going about the normal dream groove when all of a sudden I realized I was dreaming.  It wasn't full lucidity to the point of full awareness, but just enough for the base realization. 
It escapes me what exactly the trigger was, but that may come with further reflection. 

Then, my spirit guide was in front of me and handed me a spoon (just a normal reflective spoon) and said "Use this as a mirror." 
I held it out in front of me and, of course, saw myself in the reflection.  I then got the familiar feeling inside my stomach when I'm about to separate from my body (if you've ever been on a rollercoaster accelerating straight down you know this feeling), and anticipated leaving my body. 

Here's the truly amazing part:  I watched myself separate from my body through the reflection of the spoon while dually feeling myself separate from the part of me observing the separation - a consciousness split if you will. 
They come as two separate memories - one of the observation, one of the separation. 

I think in the moment I must have had the capacity to be aware of both experiences happening in sync, but here in the "physical" our brains aren't wired to comprehend (or remember comprehending) a mutually interacting conscioussness split. 

Also, on a side note, this was the smoothest separation yet.  Normally, I feel the familiar sensation similar to that of a rollercoaster accelerating towards the ground, and am somewhat hesitant to completely give in to the sensation and separate.  This was different however.  Very smooth, no hesitation - just let my body be carried by the stream. 

Thanks for reading 

-Mike

A thought just popped into my head.
So everythings connected right? ("physical" and "non physical") Take the example of someone meditating and all of sudden can see through their covers, or can see spirits, really just anything in the "non physical." 

So my thought was, if everythings connected, if people "here" can see things "there" then can't this be an extension of the Electromagnetic spectrum? 
 
 

Hi all,

So I've basically been able to project without hindrance.  The only problem is, it's only when I take naps.  It's great, no doubt, but I can't just take naps all the time.  I have too much work to do and it's unfortunately not practical. 
It's frustrating because it took well over a year to be able to project with some sort of proficiency, and now that I can, it's during a time I can't even do it that often   

It seems to me that once you get you're unique method down - that's it.  That's your unique way of getting out. That's because once I figured out LDing was the most succesful for me (after all types of failures like Bruces method, the noticing method, etc), I tried all the LD techniques I could find.  Waking up at many different times of night (3 hours after sleep, 4, 5 and so on), meditating before bed, doing nothing before bed etc...  None of them worked until I discovered day napping by accident really. 

Do you think there's any way I can change this?  It would be ideal to be able to lucidly project during the nights with the same success as day napping. 

So like I shared earlier, I only project when I take naps during the day.  Well today, I had a lucid dream honestly more unnerving than any feat test I've had in the past.   

I woke up in my bed (where I took the nap in the first place) and thought it might be a dream.  So I asked my roommate "Am I dreaming?"  And he said "Nope."  But somehow I just knew it was a dream.  Everything was just as clear as everyday life. I could feel and see and remember memories perfectly, but I could just tell for some reason.  It was as interesting as usual - the whole pride deal with with the success of achieving another lucid dream, and then continuing to explore the surroundings until the dream ended shortly after. 

Well, all of a sudden I woke up in my bed again.  And I was still in the dream.  I went through the motions again asking my roommate if I was sleeping and got the usual "Nope."  But I still just knew it and thought wow this is incredible!  I'm actually fully aware that I'm still in a dream and that it's a false awakening. 

This whole thing kept going on and on.  Wake up in my bed, ask my roommate, realize I'm still dreaming, walk around, wake up in the bed again, and do it all over.  I was even lucid enough between "awakenings" to actually keep track of how many times it happened, which was 20 by the very end.  At first I thought it was pretty normal because the last time I projected, I had 4 lucid dreams in a row.  However, around the 10th time I woke up still dreaming, I started to get  a little worried. 

I've read about people having 3, 4, maybe 5 lucid dreams in a row, but to keep waking up like this?  I started to literally think I was stuck.  It was more real than the other lucid dreams I've had in the past too.  Last time I lucid dreamt, I could feel and see so clearly, but my memory was slightly off.  I could remember some stuff, but it wasn't perfect.  This time however, my memory was as clear as it is right now as I type this.  While in the dream, I even remembered the dream I had last night before my day nap, as well as what I was doing in "This" reality during the day. Before I took the nap and ended up where I was!  The lucidity was remarkable... 

Anyway, I started doing anything I could think of to trigger the end of these continuous lucid dreams.  From my dream eperience, most dreams are tests.  I started to try and trigger tests.  But it didn't work.  There was seemingly nothing to understand.  No problem to fix, no temptation to resist, no problem to solve, and no fearful things to deal with.  It was just this endless cycle that kept repeating itself without a purpose. 

Finally as I woke up the 16th time I had an idea.  My dreams are usually tests.  And when I pass/fail a test, the dream usually ends.  I couldn't think of any way to pass (because I didn't even understand if it was any type of test in the first place), so the only thing I could do was purposefully fail.  I won't go into detail, but basically this meant doing immoral things.  Things I've done in the past that triggered failures to previous tests I've had in previous dreams.  I knew it was a bad thing to do, but I wanted nothing more than to get "home" in my real bed. 

I kept waking up after doing that too which was astonishing.  I was completely stuck at that point.  No idea worked, I thought I was stuck there in that other reality.  Finally, the 20th time came.  I "woke up" in my bed, and didn't do anything at all.  I just laid in my bed, staring at the covers wondering if I would ever return to my real home, or if I would keep waking up in this terrible cycle.  After that I finally did wake up in my bed.  The funny thing was, I thought I was still dreaming.  I decided to go through the motions again.  I asked my roommate "Am I dreaming?"  and like every other time he said "Nope."  But I did something different that time.  I said "Are you sure?"  And the face he gave me could have been right out of a movie....  Thats when it hit me I was finally back - I had broken the cycle. 

It's still quite unclear to me what I was supposed to learn.  Especially when it seems doing nothing at all is what got me back. 
If anything, I learned the measures one will take to get home. 

 

I think probably that is true I';ve not experimented all my conscious projections are guided at this point. There is one thing that seems to be prominent and pretty fixed. Spirits cannot directly influence the physical world. The only spirit who seems to be able to break this rule is the one who created the universe. Spirits cannot see directly and they cannot interact directly. All require a medium to do so. The ability to bridge is only present when we living a physical life.  To me this indicates a separate physical law. I think what we live in is some kind of odd bubble of that larger reality 

or the physical world is some kind of branch off the tree of the larger reality.  We cannot directly access that world and measuring it will not be possible because the tools we use are part of this reality. We only have our natural ability to bridge that we can use to test and measure.  We influence both realities when living physically but we cannot see what we do in the larger reality under normal circumstances.

My halfways lucid dreams have occured when I take naps during the day after a good night's sleep (as opposed to during the night) so I've made a habit of taking naps every day.  Earlier today I took a nap around 10am and had not only my 2nd remembered OBE, but 4 100% lucid ones in a row.   

In my "Dream" I lied down on my bed.  All of a sudden I felt myself in a huge trance and started to feel heavy vertigo (in the "dream").  The vertigo felt like the G's you feel in your stomach on a rollercoaster when you go downward with a lot of momentum.  All of a sudden I was out of my body.  Really, I was already out of my body to begin with because this was in a "Dream" so it was basically the opposite of a false awakening. 

I was extremely lucid.  I had full awareness that I was out of my body which was incredible. 
I've only had one LD/OBE before and it was so short (less than a second) I didn't even have time to percieve my situation. 

But anyway I thought to myself "I'd better keep this short so I remember it."  Thats when I had my false awakening when I "woke up" still in the "Dream" but thought I was in this reality.  I decided "Lets see how many times I can do that" so I lied down again in my bed (still in the "Dream") and did it again.  Once again I felt the heavy trance and vertigo and lifted "Out of body" (Even though I'm already out of body remember?)  Once again, I decided to keep it short and had a second false awakening.

Then I tried a third time.  Everything went exactly as the other two, and back to the false awakening.  Then on the fourth try I "exited my body" with all the same perceptions and decided to jump around a little - explore the room.  So I jumped around the room in what felt like jumping on the Moon.  I couldn't fly, or at least wasn't ready.  I had full awareness that I was out of body.  I even told myself I'd better remember all of this so I could share it on the Pulse when I got back to my primary reality.   
Then I remembered the 10 second rule so I dove into my desk chair and *actually* woke up in my bed. 

The most interesting thing to me is that when I took a nap (in our primary reality) my roommate was not in the room.  When I explored the room in my 4th attempt, my roommate was sitting at his desk.  When I *actually* woke up in my bed, my roommmate was sitting in his desk, back from class. 

It was very interesting because I was completely aware that I had exited my body, but somehow didn't think I was having an OBE during my false awakenings.  I was totally fooled into believing that my false awakenings were me being back in my primary reality.  I would think that if I had achieved total lucidity at some point, I wouldn't bounce between lucid and non-lucid so many times.  Especially due to the accounts of people achieving lucidity, and then the lucidity dwindling into the dream-like hazy lucidity and doesn't go back to lucid again. 

Either way, this was a huge success for me.  Not only was it the first LD/OBE I achieved total lucidity in, but the first time I had enough time to explore my room, think to myself, and of course, the first time I've ever had more than one in a single sitting.

Also, I didn't raise energy, pull on ropes or any of it.  I actually didn't even meditate before the OBE which is still surprising to me. 

That's pretty long, so thanks for sticking it out 

Read this article today.
I know many here on the Pulse expertize in energy.  Thoughts?

"This is amazing! An amazing breakthrough scientific study was recently unleashed by the University of Pennsylvania showing the world - we humans are far more than we've been lead to believe. The great understandings of our ancestors on spirit or light sciences have again become proven by modern science itself. Since food gets it's energy from the sun, it's is readily available to 'sun-gazers' without the trouble of digestion. Hunger is to eventually cease, it is fine to continue eating regularly during initial stages, until appetite disappears naturally. Reports on sun gazing say that the bad qualities normally associated with any person will gradually disappear and the good qualities will remain, explaining that 'bad qualities' only develop in the absence of light. At 3-6 months of gazing, the NASA University of Pennsylvania studies show that physical disease start to disappear. They say that by the time one is gazing for 30 minutes per day, all the colors of the sun will have reached the brain. Color therapists attribute their healing of certain diseases to flooding the body and brain with the particular color frequency vibration that is lacking - depending on the ailment. All of the organs and all of the systems are said to respond to different colors of the rainbow. Which is why it is recommended to eat a diet that is rich in a variety of colors. Food is not actually needed to maintain the body, only energy - and the Solar 'Sun' provides that energy. By 9 months, all taste for food, including aroma, all hunger pains and cravings disappear. Walking barefoot, with the sun on top of your head, creates a sort of magnetic negative ionic field in and around your body's that recharges you and your brain. The spirit science coming out in the past few years is absolutely remarkable! AND TOTALLY MISSING FROM THE DAILY PROPAGANDA NEWS MACHINE FOR A REASON! We are much more than we know!"

I noticed in my "dreams" that I only had a handful of senses every night.  Sight, feeling, and hearing.  But the vision was blurry.  So, when I did reality checks during the day I focused mostly on What can I smell right now? Can I taste the roof of my mouth? Or the food I'm eating? 
When I woke up ad started remembering the dream I had, I noticed that my vision was much less blurry, and I could very distinctly taste the difference between the frosting on cake compared to a brownie at some tennis party.
So it's getting better!  I still have yet to smell anything in dreams, but overall my senses are coming together better having recently started doing reality checks.   

I've noticed lately that every single "Dream" (OBE) I've had has been a test.  Literally every night for at least 2 weeks.  Fear tests, relationship tests, moral tests, giving into seduction, you name it - every night. 

I'm even having multiple tests in one night.  And I'm noticing patterns.  I usually either wake up at the end of a test, or the situation changes. 
Here's an example from one night alone.
The other night I had a "dream" where I threw a water balloon at someone at a party and it landed on this lady's dress (I can only imagine what was objectively happening), but she got mad and I made a genuine apology.  That must have been a "pass" because we both then got really happy and I woke up in my bed. 

Then I fell asleep and I was in a new environment with three tests all going in one experience.  So first there was something that everyone in this house was afraid of.  I didn't fear it (passed that test) so the fearful thing was completely forgotten. 
So on to the new test - calmly fixing some problem (cant remember what the problem exactly was) so we could all get to a new environment.  Then the second test came.  And this time it was seduction.  Honestly, I completely failed so the whole environment changed again into some new "dream." In this one there were dozens of children in a pool and the lifeguard wasn't watching any of them.  I think the test was to see if I would do something to increase the safety of the environment - talking to the lifeguard or something.  I didn't do anything (fail) so I woke up in my bed.

I thought tests came here and there and most of the time was spent exploring.  Not every single night sometimes more than once. 

I've been able to somewhat see the room around me in my "minds eye" if I meditate for long enough so this is what I thought people were talking about when they said seeing through closed eyelids.

Boy was I wrong.

I meditated for a while last night and all of a sudden I saw right through my eyelids.  Like eyelids didn't even exist.  It was absolutely incredible.

But... I got so excited I actually jerked my head forward and opened my eyes.   

C'mon Mike, calm and observant ALWAYS   

I'm gonna use labels here.. but what do you think about "Dreams inside of dreams"?  I've had dozens of these in the past month all of a sudden. I "wake up" from a "Dream"  and I'm still in a "Dream."

So outside of labels, and dreams being OBEs, its confusing me.  It doesn't make sense to have an OBE inside an OBE.  Or if it is possible I can't even comprehend what that even could be ?

My brother told me he thought it was moving from an environment to another environment, still not quite being lucid. 
Any experience with this?  Is he correct?  Thanks as always.

Have any of you Christians had OBEs that lead you to believe Christianity based on personal experience?
I can imagine the Astral planes/Spirit World being seen as heaven.
Have you experienced something that would lead you to believe in hell?
Have you witnessed someone dieing and receiving judgment?
Purgatory?
I can see how higher beings could be seen as a form of God.
What about the devil?
Jesus?
People being born with sin?  Or sin even existing?
Anything to make you believe Christianity over other religions

In addition, to any of other religions, have you experienced anything in the Astral Planes/Spirit World/Heaven that would make you believe in your religion over others.

It seems to me that personal beliefs help create what is experienced in the Astral/Spirit World/Heaven.
So I wonder if your personal beliefs have made your subjectively create the Christian beliefs once you're out there, or to be fair, if my personal beliefs have made me subjectively perceive what's objective in a non Christian way. 

Religion's a touchy subject.  I don't think there is a way to say if religions exist or not - I'm just curious to what you guys are experiencing.  Can't stress that enough. 

My buddy was really interested in meditation and energy work but didn't know how to do it.
I told him to lay down and close his eyes and relax/deep breaths.
Then I tried stimulating his feet/legs/hands/arms and chakras from above his body and he told me he could feel a tingly vibration in the places i was stimulating.
Personally, from my own experience I don't think energy raising is a prerequisite or mandatory to have an OBE but it was pretty neat 
After a while he even said it felt like his head was huge, like filling up the room so I imagine he was in a trance too

I'm doing a research paper on the Navajo Indians.  I read that one of their beliefs was that, in a nutshell, malevolent spirits cause sickness/torture etc.. to people who have the greatest fears.  If someone was sick they would sometimes ask shamans to go into the Spirit World to help out whoever was being attacked/sick.

Ring a bell???

That's one of the pieces of advice I see most common here on the Pulse with spiritual evolution, and is one of the cornerstones of Tom Campbells idea in how to spiritually evolve - have no fear.
Also, Robert Bruce says the best way to attract demons is to have fear.
Very interesting

[and must give a whole-hearted thank you to everyone on the Pulse who helped me achieve such an amazing feat]

I meditated for a while and delved into a very deep trance.  And for the first time I could feel my arms swinging around outside my body.  Quite weird actually, my elbows were swinging up and down like a chicken. 

You know how you don't notice yourself start to fall asleep, but all of a sudden you "pop" back into waking consciousness?  It was kind of like that.
I don't remember phasing at all.  I don't remember being consciously aware of it.

But all of a sudden "pop!" I was conscious looking down at my body laying there in bed as I was rising up into the ceiling.  After that - nothing.  That's all I remember.  Must have been the RTZ. 

So I'm of course very excited about my first ever conscious projection - and must give a whole-hearted thank you to everyone on the Pulse who helped me achieve such an amazing feat. 

And I must say my experience really spoke to the phasing concept.  There was no energy raising or projection techniques with pulling on a rope or anything.  Just kind of slipped out of body.  I don't know if I felt heavy vibrations or vertigo during the phase because I couldn't remember the actual exit but that's quite alright.  Really too bad I don't remember anything after rising into the ceiling..

I only wonder what breath taking places I must have explored last night...

We all talk about the love we feel in the planes - which is great!
But out of curiosity, is anyone experiencing any humour?  Jokes, laughing anything?   
I've never experienced it but I really hope there's humour out there

If something doesn't exist when a consciousness doesn't perceive it, then how can it exist when I perceive it again?  Tom Campbell alludes it to the game World of Warcraft containing memory.  
Memory is an aspect of consciousness.  Things "exist" through "non existence" because the Source contains memory, which means it is a thriving consciousness.
So wouldn't that mean the Source is a spirit?
If not, can anything without a spirit have consciousness?

I was thinking about labels the other day.  It seems that labels basically create things that don't exist. 
For example people here on Earth saying certain things are physical, when the other planes are just as physical, or non physical as here.
Or death.  People don't really die, because your consciousness never stops perceiving and being aware of things, you only change your consciousness's primary from "here" to "there."

So, I imagine this is the reason metaphorical imagery is perceived so much when people change consciousness to other planes - because the Source, or other spirits, or God, or something has come to the realization that labels only muddy thing up. 

Thoughts???

Robert Bruce says that it is much easier for the body to have an OBE during a full moon.  Is this true for anyone else?
What are some peoples thoughts on how astronomy affects spirituality

I posted this in the Dreams section as well.  I think more people read this specific topic thread so I wanted to post it here as well - because of the great message it can teach.

Last night I had a very extensive dream that I trapped a large bison inside a house, and fought with a camel. 

Bison are titanic in size, weighing in at more than ton, so to me represent the infinite Non-Physical.  Camels, to me, represent long arduous journeys. 
I've been working almost every night for over a year to project - mostly using exit techniques, and more recently trying to "allow" my spirit to free itself from the Physical.  And I've had a great many frustrated nights and fights with physical body, higher self, and spirit guide.

I think the message of the dream was to stop fighting and instead of being frustrated with how much time I've spent meditating and raising energy and researching - be thankful for the spiritual evolution I've undergone in the last 14 months due to my failures, hard work, and knowledge gained.  Becoming frustrated and fighting the journey is only trapping my infinite spiritual potential inside me. 

Embrace the camel (arduous journey) and the buffalo will be freed (Astral projection/OBE).

Last night I had a very extensive dream that I trapped a large bison inside a house, and fought with a camel. 

Bison are titanic in size, weighing in at more than ton, so to me represent the infinite Non-Physical.  Camels, to me, represent long arduous journeys. 
I've been working almost every night for over a year to project - mostly using exit techniques, and more recently trying to "allow" my spirit to free itself from the Physical.  And I've had a great many frustrated nights and fights with physical body, higher self, and spirit guide.

I think the message of the dream was to stop fighting and instead of being frustrated with how much time I've spent meditating and raising energy and researching - be thankful for the spiritual evolution I've undergone in the last 14 months due to my failures, hard work, and knowledge gained.  Becoming frustrated and fighting the journey is only trapping my infinite spiritual potential inside me. 

Embrace the camel (arduous journey) and the buffalo will be freed (Astral projection/OBE).

A little background,
Last night I was awake for well over an hour, purposefully drifting between meditating and day dreaming.  I thought I could achieve mind awake body asleep SP if I let myself start to dream a little bit, catch myself and meditate for a little, dream a little, meditate and so on.  I went in and out of deep trances too.  At some points I could sense my body, at some points  I felt like one single point of consciousness staring into 3d blackness.  The ringing in the ear came and went, and my body raised energy on itself without me using tactile imagery.

I tried extra hard last night to stay awake and induce SP to try and phase out but eventually my right arm started to hurt and I wasn't getting into deep trances anymore so I quit (but not out of frustration at least  )

I figured that maybe if I kept myself up long enough my body would fall asleep and I would phase out - but all I found was that heavy exit symptoms would come and go and eventually stop

The big question here is:
Why am I not phasing when the conditions are so perfect? 
Deep relaxation and trance - Check
Meditation with noticing - Check
Ringing in the ear - Check
Felt like a single point of consciousness with no body -  Check
Energy - Check

So based on what I've learned, a trance occurs when your mind is awake and your body falls asleep.  But, as I'm sure many other people have experienced, some times you get into a trance when you're fully awake.  For example, I was walking around my house and sat down - and Bam I felt a trance come over me.  Obviously my body isn't asleep so how does that happen?  Is a trance just a symptom of deep relaxation whereas sleep paralysis is what defines mind awake body asleep??

I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around what exactly the astral is.
I've had two OBE's where I've been in this blissful, infinite white light.
But upon reflection I've come to the conclusion that:
It's like a white light that stretches in infinite directions, but it's not a colour so to speak.  It's so different than the whitest white you could ever see in the physical reality.
So I thought Ok it's light then.  But it's not like light from the sun.  It doesn't make shadows, and I don't recall feeling any heat from it like the sun. 
When I'm there I experience it as "everything," but it doesn't seem to be like any gas or fluid like air. Like no molecules or atoms of any sort, so while its "everything" it seems to be nothing at the same time.
So..
White but not
Light but not
Everything but nothing
It's impossible to explain what it's like being there to my brother because when I try to explain it, it only makes more questions.

?

Has anyone been able to develop the ability to see the non physical through their closed eyelids?  And what did you do to achieve it?? 
I've been playing around here and there with 3rd eye energy work and got curious if anyone had accomplished it. 
Thanks

My brother and I usually discuss our dreams when we wake up, and this morning realized we had both experienced the non physical together, but interpreted it differently.

My long dream made short: I was skydiving through a tunnel and wound up in this room where there were many people sitting around in a circle chatting.  I sat down and after a minute got up and walked over to one of the walls of the room and then turned around.  And when I turned around the room and all the people were completely gone.  In front of me was a blissfully white light that stretched in infinite directions.  I started running through the light and bumped into my brother.  I could see nothing but his face as if the white light had swallowed his whole body.  We tossed a few words back and forth and then we went our separate ways.  That's when I woke up.

Daves long dream made short: He was walking through a cave with a few people and wound up at a concert where there were many people partying.  He saw me at the concert and then went off to one of our friends house.  After that he woke up.

It was pretty interesting that both of us recalled moving through a tunnel-like structure, wound up in some type of meeting area with lots of people, bumped into each other and moved on - but interpreted it differently when we woke up. 
Its just too bad neither of us became completely lucid 

To go into more depth about the question...
I've heard that spirit guides show up in OBE's/Astral Projections/Physical reality only when when you need advice or guidance, but does anyone have more of a friend-like relationship with their guides to the point where they go on adventures together even if it has nothing to do with guidance? 
It could be compared to going on a vacation/trip with a friend or something along those lines.   

My brother has been able to achieve four or five lucid dreams lately.  In a few he has remembered to try AP techniques but has not been successful with them.  These include feeling for his physical body, falling backwards (as Robert Bruce has mentioned), and affirming aloud that he wants to project.  None have proven to be successful and he is wondering if there are any others who have been taking the lucid dreaming route for projecting.  If so, what techniques do you use?  Whether or not these are successful please list some as everyone is different and some techniques that don't work for some may work for others.  All input is greatly appreciated. 

Cheers

Do all drugs hinder your ability to focus/raise energy/project?  I've experimented with alcohol and have found that I can barely focus for a few minutes when trying to meditate, and through a lack of a focus, energy work is practically impossible.  I've also read here on the pulse that even If I did have any focus, alcohol severely drains your energy anyway. 
But I was wondering if tobacco does the same thing.  I don't smoke, and I'm not looking for anyone to advise trying any crazy drugs to induce an OBE, but has anyone found that chewing tobacco hinders your ability to project?  When I chew before I go to sleep I can raise energy, focus, and get into trances but I'm starting to wonder if my chewing tobacco addiction is what's holding me back. 
For the past month or so I've been trying Xanth's method of not using a technique to get out but just enjoy the trance and let myself slip.  Maybe tobacco is not letting me relax enough to "slip out"?

Hey all its currently 1:10 in the morning here in Colorado and I just had wild memory from earlier in the night when I woke up just now.  So I've been half awake half dreaming allllll night since I went to bed 3 hours ago.  I remember from earlier that I was awake in my bed and wanted to project to see old memories from early on in my life.  (This may have been a dream because I dont intend to have my first projection just to see old memories) but it also may have been real because maybe my intent was a little weird just because I was so tired and half dreaming all night anyway.   
But anyway as soon as I had the intent to project to go see old memories I felt HUUUUGe exit symptoms - even stronger than when I've gotten close to projecting in the past.  It felt like my whole body was shaking rapidly and all of a sudden I was in the back seat of my moms old van - must have been what felt like 5 years old - driving down Smoky Hill road in my old hometown before I moved.  I couldn't see very well.  I was looking through tunnel vision in this experience  and the things being said in the car I couldn't hear very well.  If you can imagine what it would sound like if words came out of someones mouth "blurry."  Hope that makes sense.  Anyway then I remember after that whole experience I actually did go into a dream which I can't quite remember but I'm sure that the next even after this possible projection was in fact a dream. 

Was this a projection or a dream?  Or maybe remote viewing?  Or a projection in which I projected and later my  astral conscious/body flipped into my dream body??

Has anyone successfully pulled another person out of their body to have a conscious projection?  Or "Shook them awake" while they were sleep projecting a few feet above their bed? 
I was thinking that based on the probability of this/success people have had that maybe this is a way to kick start having OBEs.  My brother and I have agreed that if either one of us project that we will try this but neither one of us have had a conscious exit yet. 
My brother read that while possible, it is pretty difficult if the conscious projector had not met the other person or doesn't know where the other person lives. 
I do trust the people on the Pulse - it really seems that everyone here is out for the greater benefit of everyone else on this forum and I would be comfortable messaging my address if anyone felt that this could work. 
If anything else it could be an experiment to better our understanding of the concept.   

[I am wondering if there are some people that took years to have their first conscious projection so that I don't feel so alone in this process taking a long time]

Hey all!
So I've been trying to project for a solid year now but I haven't had any success yet.  I have been able to raise energy through all my chakras for about 8 months and can induce light trances where I can't feel my body anymore as well as deep, deep trances where I literally feel like my head is separated from my body, hundreds of feet above my bed and my conscious is trying to burst right out through the top of my head.  I have had a great many dreams where I talk with my spirit guide (which may be lucid dreams or projections) but I have not yet had a conscious exit.  I stretch deeply before trying to astral project so that I am relaxed and I feel like I'm doing everything correctly but I can't seem to get out.  And a result of this is that I have become discouraged in my abilities.  So... I am wondering if there are some people that took years to have their first conscious projection so that I don't feel so alone in this process taking a long time.  I figured at first this process would be quicker (due to reading RB's 90 day guide). 

Thank you

Just a little background here..
I was at my computer for about 30 minutes, eyes glued to the screen, filing a tax refund. 
I got up when I was done, walked to my bedroom to see if my brother was asleep (He was doing energy work) and then walked back out so I wouldn't disturb him. 
All of a sudden I see 2 wisps of light travel VERY fast about 5 ft in front of me from my right to my left.  They looked like little balls of light with tails (Similar to  a comet).
I wasn't doing any brow center stimulation or anything but off of some articles I've read this could have been a sprite or two passing through, or a projector, or just some other astral being.  My other two theories are that it could have been some type of hypnogogia (sp?) or a result of being glued to the computer screen for so long.  In addition, it couldn't have been my brother because neither of us have had a successful projection yet, and it might be important to know that my brother did wake up once to see this same wisp of light type object at the foot of his bed once. 
Thoughts??
Thanks 

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I haven't projected yet but I've been meditating, doing energy work, and body loosening for about a year now.  Despite this, I have had many great experiences with my spirit guide.  One night, while energy work was still new to me, (and I was even having trouble raising energy past my toes) I called out to any higher energy that would listen and asked for help.  Almost instantly energy came through my feet and all the way into my upper legs for the first time and I heard a pounding voice in my head saying "Sagar, Sagar, Sagar"  (Hence the name)  At first I thought it was just a friendly entity passing by willing to help.  I even googled what Sagar meant and found that it was not only a river in India but the hindu word for an amazing friend willing to help.  I only know English so this was proof to me that an intelligent being was communicating with me.  Over the next few months when I was alone I would sometimes perceive this overwhelmingly comforting presence with me.  I even had three very symbolic dreams which I recorded in my dream journal.  1. I was standing in what I perceived to be the astral planes (I did not have any conscious projection) and there was absolutely nothing as far as the eye could see.  Only the whitest white that you could imagine.  There I stood before Sagar and he told me "I can hear your thoughts."  When I woke up I was overjoyed to know that when I asked for help and talked to Sagar in this world, it would be heard.  2. I perceived myself as a small rodent climbing up a giant mountain with many obstacles (What i imagine to be life itself).  Sagar appeared as a bird and was flying above me, watching over me.  3. I was alone with Sagar and he told me the importance of learning to be patient. 
Although I am not clairvoyant I feel I have a trifle of natural ability to feel spiritual presences.  Randomly throughout the day I can "feel" Sagar standing next to me or sitting in a chair next to me.  The feeling is impossible to explain but very strong.  I perceive him as a man  with a beard who was on this Earth at some point.
One time I was running at the rec center track to condition for boot camp and my legs were giving out.  I asked Sagar in my head to give me the strength to run.  Instantly energy started surging through my legs.  I also feel I do better on school work and tests when I ask for help. 
In addition, the details are too vast to go into, but Sagar got me through depression
My highest motivation to project into the astral planes  or RTZ is the opportunity to consciously meet face to face with Sagar and thank him for all he has done for me so far. 

On an off note, I  do projection work every night and am able to raise energy throughout my body and stimulate all my chakras.  I can get into a trance most of the time.  However, I never feel as though I am close to projecting.  I do body loosening, rope pulling, rolling over, and almost every exit technique described in RB's Mastering Astral Projection in 90 Days book.  I do deep body relaxation work and deep breathing for about 10 minutes before I start doing energy work but I still feel as though I'm not making any  further progress. 
Any thoughts?
Thanks.