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Okay guys, I am back, with news!

I basically bought a refurbished Laxman, Proteus, and Procyon for the price of what the Laxman costs at retail price. Good old ebay bargain hunting. All seem to work, too. So yeah, I got them all super cheap. 

Here's what I have to say about mind machines: THEY ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL.

Laxman pros:

It has a full spectrum of colors, it lets you put whatever frequency (including base frequency) that you want, it is the best out of any machine that I've tried for getting the ganzfeld effect, it has the prettiest visuals, open/closed eye, you can adjust blinking/as well as brightness, and it is the brightest machine that I have. Sometimes, I like to completely turn off blinking and just stare into the colors. Imagine finding yourself in a virtual reality scene where you're in a room that's made up of only one color - it's neat, and quite relaxing! Things seem to be without depth, also. You just sore of stare off into a colorful void and it's actually quite relaxing.

Also, it has nice background music, and lets you choose the frequency you want, with/or without an mp3 of your choice. Also, these are BRIGHT. I'd say these goggles are brighter than the Procyon for sure, and brighter than the Proteus by far (although the Proteus is a good second choice if you're after brightness). The brighter the machine, it seems, the more complex the geometry and patterns become. And, the Laxman, out of all my three machines, is the brightest shining star of the lot. The Proteus is pretty bright, though, and it's cheap. It doesn't compare to the blazing brightness of the Laxman, though.

The Laxman seems to show me the flower of life, and other beautiful geometrical patterns, a lot. 

Cons: Kind of bulky and sometimes hurts your eyes when you don't expect the light to get quite so intense.

Honestly, aside from that, I can't find many cons for this, so I'm going to go on to the next one.

Proteus pros:

It has two colors, which is nice. Red and green. Red is more stimulating, green is more relaxing. I see shades of blue, white, orange, and yellow sometimes. All in all, this machine is GREAT because it's brighter than the Procyon (its much more expensive successor). The Proteus has 8 total flashing LEDs (four on each eye), while the Procyon only has 6 (three on each eye). Anyways, another pro are the lightweight glasses. It's a very relaxing machine, indeed. There's no fancy background music like in the Laxman, and it has a lot of beeping-type binaural beats, but it's still relaxing on the mind.

Cons: Only two colors. Also, could be more diverse on the binaural beats/sounds, but it's not bad at all.

Procyon pros: Has three colors: RGB, which are BEAUTIFUL when joined in unison. It's a simply marvelous device. The blue really makes the device stand out from the Proteus. Lightweight sunglasses-type glasses, again. Typical binaural beats, with beeping, as with the Proteus and many other machines -- if you want binaural beats + serene ambient music, hook up your own music via CD player or seek the Laxman. The Laxman has built in tranquil and serene MP3s that you can mix and match with the binaural frequencies.

The Procyon is more like the Laxman than the Proteus is, in the sense that the three colors RGB, when patterned a certain way, create the rainbow, as they blend and mesh into each other. I saw reds, oranges, purples, greens, blues, whites, yellows, etc. you name it. This baby will flash the rainbow right in front of your eyes, much like the Laxman will, minus the bulky swimming-goggle feel. Plus, at less than half the cost of the Laxman (you can find it for $260 or so), this would be the light machine I'd go for if I couldn't afford the Laxman and it's customizable luxuries.

Cons:

It's not as bright as the Proteus, which is its one downfall. Brighter is better. Better visuals the brighter the machines are. If the Procyon were a bit brighter, it would be perfect. One could also say that if the Proteus had a blue channel, then it'd be perfect. Ah, guess you can't have it both ways.

If you want to buy the much cheaper Proteus (I see used ones going on ebay for $100-120 sometimes), just know that they come with red/green glasses, but you can buy the alternative red/blue glasses separately, online, sort of making it almost as brilliant as the Procyon, at half the cost.

Then, if you want to throw some blue into the lot, you can just switch out glasses. I'm thinking of ordering these RB glasses myself, because I'm interested in seeing the lovely shade of blue paired with the four LEDs of the Proteus.

All in all, no matter what machine you go for, it will be lovely, no matter what. In fact, I love all my machines, now. Picking a favorite or a least favorite is hard, because they're all like my babies, now . They all have advantages and disadvantages, and I feel like they're all amazing in their own unique ways.

So all in all, I have concluded that....

Go for the Laxman if you have cash, because there's no way you will be disappointed. Full spectrum of rainbow colors, customizable MP3 sessions, nice tones, you can set the brightness/blinking, you can adjust the binaural beats, mix and match the existing mp3s and sessions, etc. It's so beautiful, and bright, and everything I dreamed it would be.

If you want a pretty machine that gives a rainbow effect, for cheaper, go for the Procyon. The RGB combo does translate as a full spectrum rainbow, behind closed eyes.

If you want something super cheap, though, and brighter than the Procyon, and can live without the blue tone being added in, then the Proteus is great. If you have $50 to dish out for red/blue glasses, that would make it cooler.

I haven't tried the Micro Beat Mini, Sirius, Mindspa, or some of the others, but in case I do... I will keep you guys posted. 

For me, it's not really a matter of which mind machine is the best. It's a matter of which one is gonna be next to add to my collection, because I'm now completely addicted to these beautiful devices. 

Nice review of the machines! Did you leave the brightness at the default level for the Laxman? I agree it's very bright. I turn my down. Maybe I'll make it brighter when I get more used to it. Also, I usually just lay the goggles on my face without fastening them. Makes it more comfortable.

I think what is meant, is that even though we are Consciousness, we have chosen to be incarnated in these Physical bodies for a reason. That reason is to experience a Physical existence. We are here to experience, whether it be the good, the bad or the ugly.

A person that wishes to stay in Astral all the time is wasting this Physical existence away.

They should get outside in Nature more and smell the Flowers! 

They are also likely trying to avoid that bad and ugly. But, the bad and ugly are experiences that teach us as well.

To tell you the truth I learn more lessons in life from the bad and ugly, then I do the good.

Well said Lionheart!

Cannabis helps you relax so why would that interfere with phasing or astral travel? Seems like it would be helpful...

I just ordered my Laxman today!

Can't wait to get it and test it out.

rvcode

Thanks Lion and LOG. Congrats on the new baby LOG!

I've tried a lot of techniques over the years and also tons of brainwave CD's including many Monroe titles... but no luck.

I have come close. Mind awake body asleep. Several times I heard myself snoring, but then that sort of woke me back up.

I meditated for a few years and do know how to quiet the mind, but it was never enough for an OBE or astral projection.

That's why I began to look for new "tools" to help me out. The Laxman certainly sounds very effective, especially if it causes the pineal gland to secrete DMT.

Do you find that practicing OBE or phasing techniques interrupts your normal sleep pattern?

It seems like evertime I start practicing again I automatically wake up 3 - 4 times during the night versus only 1 time a night.

Are there any updates or news from Neurotronics about creating a program to emulate Lucia No 3 light patterns and sequences?

Thanks Lionheart! I went back and read through the thread. Lots of great info!

I have some questions for you...

So you use your L3 program without sound and that works best for projecting or phasing?

I know Leaves likes the lights brighter, but you like to turn them down, correct?

Do you still suggest starting with the deep Relaxation and sleep programs?

What makes the L3 program better than the other Laxman presets?

Is the Laxman more effective for stimulating the pineal gland and releasing DMT than other less expensive machines?

Much appreciated!

Rvcode, I can answer one of those questions for you.

The L3 programs is one that I wrote with the help of Leaves.

There is no "link" to it, because it is just on my computer.

The rest of your questions can be answered by other people using the device. You have most likely read my views on it here already.

I  wish to hear other people's opinion of it as well!  

Hey leavesofgrass. Very useful info! A few questions...

Are you still using the Laxman with the L3 program?

Does that continue to give you most OBE's?

What's the link to download the L3 program?

Has anyone else had similar OBE experiences with the Laxman?

Is the Laxman the best device for OBE's under $1000?

I'd love to buy the Lucia No. 3... but the price is ridiculous.

Thanks!

As Lion mentioned, I do like to go extra bright on every session I do. For me, the brighter the better with the Laxman. And I always do sessions with my eyes closed.

I have had the Laxman for a few months now and I can definitely say that the more often you use it the "better" it gets. Also, I think repeating your favorite program is a good thing to do so that you can go deeper and deeper with that program. It will "train" you to go deeper into the mind awake body asleep state if thats what you are looking for....which I think most of us here are.

I highly recommend the program that Lion created that we are both now using. Its called L3 and it uses all white lights and in a 30min program takes you from 27hz down to the Theta range. I dont know if its how Lion has set up the frequencies, or the intensity variations of the white flashing lights, etc etc....but, this program works very well for me. In fact, I am only using this program now...and each time I go deeper and deeper.

I used to never be able to project late at night during regular sleep hours because like everyone I was too tired and always just fell asleep. So to make up for this I get up very early for morning practice. But lately I have been doing Lions Laxman L3 program (which doesnt have a sound track by the way...and personally I find sound, even binaural beats, distracting and far less powerful than the lights...but thats just me....no sound lets me decouple from the physical much more easily)...anyways I listen to this L3 track which is just under 30mins long...and while I am listening I repeat continuously "Now Im out of Body" (per William Buhlman in Adventures out of the Body)....that is all I do....I repeat that continually and let the lights do their thing. Then when the program is finished I roll over onto my stomach and go to sleep and continue repeating the same mantra....and then bang as soon as my body falls completely asleep I am brought back wide and awake with the OBE vibrations...and then its off you go.

This is awesome for 2 reasons. The first reason is that I can finally project at night...and consistently too. I will keep doing this and let you guys know how consistent it is. But so far I would say its about 70% or better which is pretty incredible considering night time projections have always been the most difficult for me (I should note that projecting in the early morning has never been a problem for me so for those who try this have some patience...do it every night and stay faithful about it and dont be in a rush...let it happen...and it will). The second reason this is so awesome is because it requires the least amount of effort of anything I have ever done before. I am not visualizing, etc. I am just saying that simple statement over and over and then letting the process unfold on its own. I think over concentrating on visualization which goes hand-in-hand with trying to hard is the single biggest factor people have trouble projecting. Have patience and just let it happen....I promise you this is all so much more simple than we all tend to make it at first.